From anthcp at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 01:42:13 2009
From: anthcp at gmail.com (Anthony Percy)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:42:13 +1100
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd:  Problem with iax?
In-Reply-To: <293e8fff0910240320u6daa6eb4pe22d0a0e0916514a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091019185742.BBNB1207.dukecmfep05.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo03.coxmail.com>
	<293e8fff0910200040y2d607d9fo7e81ee44bda402d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADD89DD.5020000@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
	<293e8fff0910240320u6daa6eb4pe22d0a0e0916514a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <293e8fff0910311842x4b6a50dat3da933e8b6fc562d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steve,
Sorry for the late reply, I have been away in Brisbane..
I think I have found the problem, it looks like I have not been running
rc.updatenodelist to create the rpt_extnodes file!!!
As you can guess I am still learning....

Maybe we should put some debug statement in the code at line 4190 of
app_rpt.c

/* if file does not exist */
        if (stat(myrpt->p.extnodefile,&mystat) == -1)
        {
                if (ourcfg) ast_config_destroy(ourcfg);
                ourcfg = NULL;
                ast_mutex_unlock(&nodelookuplock);
                return(NULL);
        }

e.g if the stat() fails.????? e.g rc.updatenodelist is not running etc
(assuming this is the correct part of the code)

What do you think??

Also is there a chance I could get a development allstar node number as I
need to test some configs before we put them on node 2393, the club 70CM
repeater ?
I have applied for one but I never get the email.

Regards

Anthony VK2ACP






On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Stephen Rodgers <
hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:

> Anthony Percy wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> > Thanks for the reply. The strange thing is that when we turn the
> debugging
> > on we see no error messages at all!!!
> > Neither is there anything in the log files... All we see is a "psuedo
> ....
> > hangup" when we call allstar. Calling echolink creates a log list of
> > connection messages and it works fine..
> >
> > How do we check if the node list is updating correctly?
> >
> > regards
> >
> > AP
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:57 AM, <hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:s
>
> >
> >>> From: Anthony Percy <anthcp at gmail.com>
> >>> Date: 2009/10/19 Mon AM 01:24:32 PDT
> >>> To: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> >>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Problem with iax?
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> We recently built a new allstar asterisk repeater using a svn
> development
> >>> build from a few weeks ago. ( I did have a small prob with the build
> but
> >>> that was easy to fix by altering a makefile, I can elaborate if
> required)
> >>> It works fine as a repeater with the DMK fob but when we call an
> allstar
> >>> node it fails. However, when we call a echolink server it works fine.
> >>> We parsed our older xipar config files to build the new configs for the
> >> svn
> >>> build, I guess we may have missed something for the iax to work?
> >>> It also seems to register ok on the allstar stats site...
> >>> Any suggestions?
> >>> When we put our older allstar repeater back in place it works fine on
> >>> allstar so it can't be a network or firewall issue...
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Anthony Percy, VK2ACP
> >>>
> >>> Chifley Amateur Radio Club.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> There should be connect errors displayed on the Asterisk console. It
> would
> >> be helpful to see those.
> >>
> >> A hint: Maybe your node list is not updating correctly.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >> WA6ZFT
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> App_rpt-users mailing list
> >> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> >> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> Use the following Asterisk cli commands to enable debugging and a more
> verbose output from Asterisk
>
> core set verbose 4
> rpt debug level 5
>
> The node list should be located in file /var/lib/asterisk/rpt_extnodes
>
> It is a text file so you can use text tools to view it.
>
> The file gets downloaded every 10 minutes, and the top  of the file should
> contain two recent time stamps which are no
> more than 30 minutes old.
>
> The other thing to check is if the system is registering properly.
> If you use the following, Asterisk CLI command, you should get something
> similar to this:
>
> radios*CLI> iax2 show registry
> Host                  dnsmgr  Username    Perceived             Refresh
>  State
> 67.xx.xx.xx:4569      N       A2010       72.xx.xx.xx:4569      60
> Registered
>
> It's 3 AM here, and I can't sleep.
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
>
>
>
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From g4rky at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov  3 00:35:00 2009
From: g4rky at yahoo.co.uk (Matt Beasant)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 00:35:00 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Changes in new version?
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911021635n1d6703bcnc8e7d95cb17a4437@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I apologies in advance for this epic email but it is necessary for me to
describe my setup here to accurately detail the issues I am seeing!

I have two repeaters linked with app_rpt nodes but they are set up in
different ways. Essentially the two repeaters are the same in that they have
Arcom RC210 controllers with audio delay boards to remove squelch tails. I
use CTCSS ( PL ) exclusively and my hardware decoders have longish mute
times and the audio delay boards take this right out - I have about 600 or
700ms of audio delay to take out the squelch tail.

My first repeater has the app_rpt node connected to port 2 of the RC210 and
the repeater on port 1. I have linked the two ports via the RC210. The
app_rpt node is running duplex=1 and hangtime=0 as the hangtime is taken
care of by the RC210. This is node 2250. This node has yet to be upgraded to
the latest app_rpt build.

On the next repeater, (2237) I needed to find a way of interfacing the USB
fob with the RC210 without using the second port and linking them together.
The reason for this was that at both sites I have two other (UHF) repeaters
that I need to link together using app_rpt too and as the RC210 has only 3
ports, thats not enough to do it via the RC210. So I tried to find a way of
directly connecting the USB fob to the repeater radio.

So, I picked off the Rx audio on the output of the delay board, T'd off the
COS point and connected the PTT output of the fob to the PTT output of the
RC210, so it can key the Tx.

I was running duplex=3 in my rpt.conf  on this new repeater and had a hang
time of 5 seconds, with CT's setup and everything was fine. It was possible
for a user on the repeater to jump in before the CT had finished and/or
 during the hang time of the node. This was great as I had the CTs set up to
send a "K" on the RC210 ( local activity ) and the app_rpt node send an "R"
for remote activity, everyone could tell whether a signal had come in from
the local repeater or across the link. Effectively the app_rpt was emulating
the RC210.

I updated the software yesterday using a fresh ISO downloaded yesterday
morning and rebuilt the node software to the latest version.

I then copied across my old usbradio.conf file from a backup I made before
the install. This then caused a segfault anytime there was any COS activity.
I used a default usbradio.conf instead of mine and the segfault stopped. I
then changed some of the values to suit my setup and it seems to be working
now.( I will have to go back and visit this again as I dont currently know
which setting I changed in usbradio.conf that stopped the segfault. ( sorry
))

However, things seem to be behaving differently. It seems that the node
ignores any COS signals until the hang timer has expired. I tried using
different duplex settings in rpt.conf and any hang time I have seems to
cause the node to ignore COS until it has expired.

To overcome the problem I am currently running zero hangtime, in duplex mode
1 so the CT plays and the carrier drops right away, Its the only way I can
get the system to operate without loosing the first 5 seconds of rx audio /
COS signal. Duplex mode 3 seems to work in exactly the same way, I cannot
tell the difference but mode 3 seemed to work fine before.

Has something changed in the way the duplex settings are working or the way
in which COS is handled?

Again, apologies for the long email but I didnt want to put a bug report in
as I am really not certain if what I am seeing is a bug or I am not
understanding something right or doing something wrong here, which is most
likely!

I have seen this segfault behaviour before on nodes we built for a
motorsport event's safety comms a couple of weeks ago. Again the pressure
was on as it was a live system and I didnt have time to fiddle about with
usbradio.conf to see what causes it or fixes it. I need to do more work on
this but I am wondering if I am the only one who is seeing this?

Thanks for your patience!

BTW, I am really interested in some of the features that are currently
commented out in the default rpt.conf file - presume some sort of analogue
input / data aquisition device is needed to implement these features?

Thanks to all the developers for all their hard work and hours of effort, it
is really appreciated here!

Best 73,

Matt
G4RKY
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From vk3jed at vkradio.com  Tue Nov  3 02:33:46 2009
From: vk3jed at vkradio.com (Tony Langdon, VK3JED)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:33:46 +1100
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Installing Asterisk/Allstar by hand
Message-ID: <4aef9694.0a1ad00a.5e47.6094@mx.google.com>

Hi, it's been a while since I've had my AllStar system running.  I'm 
looking to try and get it back up and running.  However, it will be 
located on a virtual server, and will be basically a conference 
server.  Installing using ACID is not an option, so I will need to 
configure by hand, except I will be moving my old configuration over 
to the new box.

I have been meaning to do this for ages, but I had issues installing 
Asterisk onto my previous VPS, that my provider wasn't able to help 
with.  The new system is Xen based, so hopefully it will compile and 
install now.

Anyone have any pointers?

73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com



From nessenj at jimsoffice.org  Tue Nov  3 02:52:06 2009
From: nessenj at jimsoffice.org (James Nessen)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:52:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Installing Asterisk/Allstar by hand
In-Reply-To: <4aef9694.0a1ad00a.5e47.6094@mx.google.com>
References: <4aef9694.0a1ad00a.5e47.6094@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <607dcede312ff8d0622a1df1ff716246.squirrel@webmail.jimsoffice.org>

Hi Tony,

The last time I ran asterisk on my Xen based VPS, I installed the asterisk
and asterisk sources packages (ubuntu).  Then with that, I re-compiled
asterisk with the app_rpt bits in it.   Had no issues with it and it was
easy to maintain.

(Oops, I also installed the libpri and zaptel packages).

As long as you heave the kernel sources available to you, I don't see any
issues compiling it by hand.

Jim, K6JWN

On Mon, November 2, 2009 6:33 pm, Tony Langdon, VK3JED wrote:
> Hi, it's been a while since I've had my AllStar system running.  I'm
> looking to try and get it back up and running.  However, it will be
> located on a virtual server, and will be basically a conference
> server.  Installing using ACID is not an option, so I will need to
> configure by hand, except I will be moving my old configuration over
> to the new box.
>
> I have been meaning to do this for ages, but I had issues installing
> Asterisk onto my previous VPS, that my provider wasn't able to help
> with.  The new system is Xen based, so hopefully it will compile and
> install now.
>
> Anyone have any pointers?
>
> 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
> http://vkradio.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>




From g4rky at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov  3 23:22:00 2009
From: g4rky at yahoo.co.uk (Matt Beasant)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:22:00 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Changes in new version?
In-Reply-To: <4AF02A9F.2000002@va3uv.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911021635n1d6703bcnc8e7d95cb17a4437@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF02A9F.2000002@va3uv.com>
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911031522n689e62b2r94daeab0c5e09211@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/3 Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV) <Ramesh at va3uv.com>

> Hi Matt;
>
> Not sure why you are using duplex=3 on a repeater node.... have you tried
> duplex=2? (this is the correct setting for a repeater node)...
>
>
> From the ACID sysadmin manual...
>
> duplex=2:  Full Duplex with telemetry tones and hang time.
> This mode is preferred when interfacing a
> repeater.
>
>
> duplex=1 is half duplex, so yes, your COS will be ignored.
>
> duplex=3 is full duplex, but no repeated audio.
>
>
> Also what is your duplex setting in usbradio.conf? - you want to set that
> to duplex=1 so that you can issue dtmf codes while the node is transmitting.
>
>
> Let me know how you make out...
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ramesh.
>
>
Hi there Ramesh and thanks for the reply.  Hope all is well with you?


I'm using duplex=3 because if I use duplex=2 I get two sources of repeated
audio:


   - One via the RC210 and its RAD board ( I know you're familiar with the
   Arcom controllers )


   - One via app_rpt


This causes an echo in the repeated audio due to the different delays. So, I
used duplex=3 which stops the app_rpt repeated audio.

It all used to work OK....

I will check the usbradio.conf duplex setting  maybe thats my problem.....

Thanks for the info Ramesh, I'll let you know how it goes....

Cheers and hope to chat again soon, when is the best time to catch you on
your node?

73

Matt
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From g4rky at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov  3 23:33:56 2009
From: g4rky at yahoo.co.uk (Matt Beasant)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:33:56 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Changes in new version?
In-Reply-To: <ff95e2ea0911031522n689e62b2r94daeab0c5e09211@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911021635n1d6703bcnc8e7d95cb17a4437@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AF02A9F.2000002@va3uv.com>
	<ff95e2ea0911031522n689e62b2r94daeab0c5e09211@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911031533x4fc7cd46nccd85a2f41804a21@mail.gmail.com>

2009/11/3 Matt Beasant <g4rky at yahoo.co.uk>

>
>
> 2009/11/3 Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV) <Ramesh at va3uv.com>
>
> Hi Matt;
>>
>> Not sure why you are using duplex=3 on a repeater node.... have you tried
>> duplex=2? (this is the correct setting for a repeater node)...
>>
>>
>> From the ACID sysadmin manual...
>>
>> duplex=2:  Full Duplex with telemetry tones and hang time.
>> This mode is preferred when interfacing a
>> repeater.
>>
>>
>> duplex=1 is half duplex, so yes, your COS will be ignored.
>>
>> duplex=3 is full duplex, but no repeated audio.
>>
>>
>> Also what is your duplex setting in usbradio.conf? - you want to set that
>> to duplex=1 so that you can issue dtmf codes while the node is transmitting.
>>
>>
>> Let me know how you make out...
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ramesh.
>>
>>
> Hi there Ramesh and thanks for the reply.  Hope all is well with you?
>
>
> I'm using duplex=3 because if I use duplex=2 I get two sources of repeated
> audio:
>
>
>    - One via the RC210 and its RAD board ( I know you're familiar with the
>    Arcom controllers )
>
>
>    - One via app_rpt
>
>
> This causes an echo in the repeated audio due to the different delays. So,
> I used duplex=3 which stops the app_rpt repeated audio.
>
> It all used to work OK....
>
> I will check the usbradio.conf duplex setting  maybe thats my problem.....
>
> Thanks for the info Ramesh, I'll let you know how it goes....
>
> Cheers and hope to chat again soon, when is the best time to catch you on
> your node?
>
> 73
>
> Matt
>

Yes confirmed that duplex=1 in usbradio.conf

Hmmmmmmm
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From engineercarl at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  4 06:19:56 2009
From: engineercarl at yahoo.com (Carl Swanson)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:19:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Dyn DNS client
Message-ID: <476687.53769.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello all...

I am slowly building up node 2391 as a remote base, and I am wondering what all of you (that have dynamic IP addresses) do for updating your IP address against a static hostname. I use a Custom DNS service from DynDNS.

Are you mostly relying on a hardware router/firewall to update IP addresses, or is there something embedded in the Allstar network structure that maintains a database of updated IP addresses?

I will probably have a lot more questions, but these will do for now.

73,

Carl, K6CRS

___________________________________________
Carl Swanson, CBRE/CEA/CBNT
Broadcast Engineer, Dial-Global 24/7 Formats
HAM: K6CRS & VE3SSO / GMRS: WPOJ453 / SHIP: WDD5353
GROL w/SRE: PG-GB-03704 / US Army MARS: AAM9ICA/AAR9MM


From sales at qrvc.com  Wed Nov  4 11:59:39 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:59:39 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Dyn DNS client
In-Reply-To: <476687.53769.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <476687.53769.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AF16CAB.8080608@qrvc.com>

Carl Swanson wrote:
> Hello all...
> 
> I am slowly building up node 2391 as a remote base, and I am wondering what all of you (that have dynamic IP addresses) do for updating your IP address against a static hostname. I use a Custom DNS service from DynDNS.
> 
> Are you mostly relying on a hardware router/firewall to update IP addresses, or is there something embedded in the Allstar network structure that maintains a database of updated IP addresses?
> 
> I will probably have a lot more questions, but these will do for now.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Carl, K6CRS
> 
> ___________________________________________
> Carl Swanson, CBRE/CEA/CBNT
> Broadcast Engineer, Dial-Global 24/7 Formats
> HAM: K6CRS & VE3SSO / GMRS: WPOJ453 / SHIP: WDD5353
> GROL w/SRE: PG-GB-03704 / US Army MARS: AAM9ICA/AAR9MM
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> 

Allstar nodes register periodically with register.allstarlink.org (Please refer to the register statement in
/etc/asterisk/iax.conf). The registration server collects the IP addresses it sees, and maintains an updated list of
IP addresses for every active node. This list is then requested periodically by all active nodes and is used to
make connections and validate incoming connectons.

We used to rely on a Dynamic DNS service, but registration replaced that.

If you are planning on being able to remotetly ssh into the node, then you will need to set up some form of Dynamic DNS
client.  We prefer using the inadyn client for this purpose.

Steve
WA6ZFT


From jrorke at cogeco.ca  Wed Nov  4 13:51:27 2009
From: jrorke at cogeco.ca (Jon Rorke)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:51:27 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] re App_Rpt from USB drive
Message-ID: <4AF186DF.3020802@cogeco.ca>

Hi All, anyone tried running asterisk/App_rpt from a USB drive?

Is it possible?

What about using usb drive to install ACID from?

Just curious.

Jon VA3RQ



From jjudge at uci.edu  Wed Nov  4 18:24:37 2009
From: jjudge at uci.edu (Jamison Judge)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:24:37 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] re App_Rpt from USB drive
In-Reply-To: <4AF186DF.3020802@cogeco.ca>
References: <4AF186DF.3020802@cogeco.ca>
Message-ID: <000301ca5d7c$122653b0$3672fb10$@edu>

>> Hi All, anyone tried running asterisk/App_rpt from a USB drive?
>>
>> Is it possible?

Interesting, I think I'm going to have to give that shot later today. As
long as your BIOS sees it as a hard disk at boot, I don't see why not. The
only issue would be the very slow disk I/O through USB 2.0, and no UDMA. I'm
certain that someone here has tried it before and can offer some insight, if
not I'll let you know how it works for me.

>>What about using usb drive to install ACID from?

Try this utility: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

It'll take a bootable .iso or even a raw kernel image and initrd and create
a bootable USB device. I've used it to make installers for several different
distributions and it worked great. The only possible flaw I can think of is
if the CentOS installer specifically looks for a cd (which wouldn't exist)
for its installation info. Again, it's no question that 10 minutes of free
time and a little ambition wouldn't solve. Give it a shot and let everyone
know how it goes!


Jamison
KI6VCE
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App_rpt-users mailing list
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From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Sat Nov  7 17:09:34 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:09:34 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Link going to 5 digit node numbers
Message-ID: <4AF5A9CE.4000403@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>

In order to conserve the number space, Jim and I have decided to assign 5 digit node numbers starting from the 27XXX
series. This will give us up to 3000 additional node numbers in the 2XXXX/2XXX block. No more 4 digit node numbers will
be assigned until further notice.

Steve
WA6ZFT




From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Wed Nov 11 23:58:15 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:58:15 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio audio
	popping problem.
Message-ID: <4AFB4F97.5000300@michiganbroadband.com>

Short version:

*Installed ACID
*Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
*I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
*Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need 
to try other motherboards/CPUs.
* Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
* played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware etc.
* CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
* Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access 
lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping 
frequentness.

* I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems 
with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may 
have done
  to make it work better.




Long Version:

I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try.. 
and of course would take all the 'fun'
out of getting it to work..
Ok enough small talk (haha)
Here's what I have going on:

Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the 
audio output of the USB sound device.
VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at 
most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going 
every minute..
The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active 
sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and 
occasional audio popping.
There is no radio actually hooked up yet.

OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario 
here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
Has USB 1.1  *NOT 2*
I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.

Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no 
effect on the intermittent popping...

1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for 
test..
    ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to 
re-route this in the bios
    so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.

2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20 
updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk 
/app_rpt + usb radio.


3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI 
interuupt line and you cannot change it.
    I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
    I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge 
numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on 
the popping..

4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
    Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any 
impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use 
(text mode)
    moving interrupts  (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb 
controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).

5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is 
not coming from 5V power supply.

6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with 
this..
    what works and what does not?
    The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of 
issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped 
for something else
and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.





















































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From k1lnx at k1lnx.net  Thu Nov 12 15:22:02 2009
From: k1lnx at k1lnx.net (Stephen - K1LNX)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:22:02 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Autopatch problems
Message-ID: <8390870f0911120722m62f04822v3239599d2206ee06@mail.gmail.com>

I started playing with the autopatch and reverse autopatch functions
lastnight and ran into some problems.

My setup consists of two seperate boxes, one is running app_rpt/radio only,
and I have an Asterisk 1.6/FreePBX install as my home PBX. My ultimate goal
is to direct all outgoing autopatch calls to the PBX box and then on to my
provider, and have phone control of the radio from it as well.

I can't quite put a finger on the best way to accomplish this, but one of
the problems I'm having is with the reverse autopatch, for starters.

I have this in sip.conf in the app_rpt box:

[k1lnx]
type=user
context=radiocontrol
secret=mypassword
host=dynamic
allow=gsm
transfer=no

This is in the PBX box in /etc/asterisk/sip_registrations_custom.conf:
register => k1lnx:mypassword at 192.168.1.1/k1lnx

When I issue a SIP reload on both boxes, I can not reg for whatever reason:
(FreePBX box)
[Nov 12 10:17:02] WARNING[32096]: chan_sip.c:15790 handle_response_register:
Got 404 Not found on SIP register to service k1lnx at 192.168.1.1, giving up

(app_rpt box)
[Nov 12 10:17:02] NOTICE[23702]: chan_sip.c:15628 handle_request_register:
Registration from '<sip:k1lnx at 192.168.1.1 <sip%3Ak1lnx at 192.168.1.1>>' failed
for '192.168.1.15' - No matching peer found


It's highly possible I have some syntax wrong somewhere and I have not tried
pointing a softphone at the app_rpt box yet with these credentials to
eliminate the FreePBX box as the issue.

My thoughts are if I can get a SIP registration between both boxes I should
be able to accomplish autopatch/reverse autopatch very easily, unless there
is another easier or preferred method?

Thanks,
Stephen

-- 
**********************************
Stephen Brown - ARS K1LNX
Johnson City, TN EM86
http://www.k1lnx.net
google voice: 423-665-9367
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From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Thu Nov 12 23:56:39 2009
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:56:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <4AFB4F97.5000300@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911121852350.24453-100000@goliath.inttek.net>


Hi Steve,

What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a drum or 
is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??

The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this issue. 
But, I've never had loud POPS! ....

73, David kb4fxc



On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:

> Short version:
> 
> *Installed ACID
> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need 
> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware etc.
> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access 
> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping 
> frequentness.
> 
> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems 
> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may 
> have done
>   to make it work better.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Long Version:
> 
> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try.. 
> and of course would take all the 'fun'
> out of getting it to work..
> Ok enough small talk (haha)
> Here's what I have going on:
> 
> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the 
> audio output of the USB sound device.
> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at 
> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going 
> every minute..
> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active 
> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and 
> occasional audio popping.
> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
> 
> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario 
> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
> Has USB 1.1  *NOT 2*
> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
> 
> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no 
> effect on the intermittent popping...
> 
> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for 
> test..
>     ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to 
> re-route this in the bios
>     so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
> 
> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20 
> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk 
> /app_rpt + usb radio.
> 
> 
> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI 
> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
>     I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
>     I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge 
> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on 
> the popping..
> 
> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
>     Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any 
> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use 
> (text mode)
>     moving interrupts  (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb 
> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
> 
> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is 
> not coming from 5V power supply.
> 
> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with 
> this..
>     what works and what does not?
>     The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of 
> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped 
> for something else
> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.
> 
> 



From nessenj at jimsoffice.org  Fri Nov 13 01:36:12 2009
From: nessenj at jimsoffice.org (James Nessen)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:36:12 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] 2 DMK USB fobs for sale
Message-ID: <C60E5FFD-83F1-4246-A98E-3FA1C83C7C18@jimsoffice.org>

Hi everyone,

I have 2 DMK usb fobs that I am selling, if anyone is interested, please contact me off list.

Thanks!

Jim, K6JWN



From dshaw at ke6upi.com  Fri Nov 13 05:59:12 2009
From: dshaw at ke6upi.com (David Shaw)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:59:12 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Autopatch problems
In-Reply-To: <8390870f0911120722m62f04822v3239599d2206ee06@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8390870f0911120722m62f04822v3239599d2206ee06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <de72c8560911122159p264ae472uf534a82cb1805cb1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Stephen, I use IAX to two asterisk servers..

Check out the link below. It should help you out..

http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+-+dual+servers

David


On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Stephen - K1LNX <k1lnx at k1lnx.net> wrote:

> I started playing with the autopatch and reverse autopatch functions
> lastnight and ran into some problems.
>
> My setup consists of two seperate boxes, one is running app_rpt/radio only,
> and I have an Asterisk 1.6/FreePBX install as my home PBX. My ultimate goal
> is to direct all outgoing autopatch calls to the PBX box and then on to my
> provider, and have phone control of the radio from it as well.
>
> I can't quite put a finger on the best way to accomplish this, but one of
> the problems I'm having is with the reverse autopatch, for starters.
>
> I have this in sip.conf in the app_rpt box:
>
> [k1lnx]
> type=user
> context=radiocontrol
> secret=mypassword
> host=dynamic
> allow=gsm
> transfer=no
>
> This is in the PBX box in /etc/asterisk/sip_registrations_custom.conf:
> register => k1lnx:mypassword at 192.168.1.1/k1lnx
>
> When I issue a SIP reload on both boxes, I can not reg for whatever reason:
> (FreePBX box)
> [Nov 12 10:17:02] WARNING[32096]: chan_sip.c:15790
> handle_response_register: Got 404 Not found on SIP register to service
> k1lnx at 192.168.1.1, giving up
>
> (app_rpt box)
> [Nov 12 10:17:02] NOTICE[23702]: chan_sip.c:15628 handle_request_register:
> Registration from '<sip:k1lnx at 192.168.1.1 <sip%3Ak1lnx at 192.168.1.1>>'
> failed for '192.168.1.15' - No matching peer found
>
>
> It's highly possible I have some syntax wrong somewhere and I have not
> tried pointing a softphone at the app_rpt box yet with these credentials to
> eliminate the FreePBX box as the issue.
>
> My thoughts are if I can get a SIP registration between both boxes I should
> be able to accomplish autopatch/reverse autopatch very easily, unless there
> is another easier or preferred method?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen
>
> --
> **********************************
> Stephen Brown - ARS K1LNX
> Johnson City, TN EM86
> http://www.k1lnx.net
> google voice: 423-665-9367
> **********************************
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
>


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From k1lnx at k1lnx.net  Fri Nov 13 13:46:37 2009
From: k1lnx at k1lnx.net (Stephen - K1LNX)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:46:37 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Autopatch problems
In-Reply-To: <de72c8560911122159p264ae472uf534a82cb1805cb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8390870f0911120722m62f04822v3239599d2206ee06@mail.gmail.com>
	<de72c8560911122159p264ae472uf534a82cb1805cb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8390870f0911130546k4e0f06f8h93b3113378d19589@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks David. IAX is not an option for me due to my network configuration.

As a test lastnight I was able to attach a softphone to the app_rpt box and
it registered when I set it to type=friend versus user (which doesn't make
sense to me, but then again I've seen SIP do strange things like this so I'm
probably missing a parameter or something)

I can not however, make a call to the rpt application.

I have it set in extensions.conf, but when I attempt to make a call from the
softphone I get an error message in the console "extension not found"

I don't know if this is a bug within Asterisk or if I have some syntax wrong
somewhere, I am using the Asterisk version that is in the app_rpt
repository.....

Thanks,
Stephen


On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:59 AM, David Shaw <dshaw at ke6upi.com> wrote:

> Hello Stephen, I use IAX to two asterisk servers..
>
> Check out the link below. It should help you out..
>
> http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+-+dual+servers
>
> David
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Stephen - K1LNX <k1lnx at k1lnx.net> wrote:
>
>> I started playing with the autopatch and reverse autopatch functions
>> lastnight and ran into some problems.
>>
>> My setup consists of two seperate boxes, one is running app_rpt/radio
>> only, and I have an Asterisk 1.6/FreePBX install as my home PBX. My ultimate
>> goal is to direct all outgoing autopatch calls to the PBX box and then on to
>> my provider, and have phone control of the radio from it as well.
>>
>> I can't quite put a finger on the best way to accomplish this, but one of
>> the problems I'm having is with the reverse autopatch, for starters.
>>
>> I have this in sip.conf in the app_rpt box:
>>
>> [k1lnx]
>> type=user
>> context=radiocontrol
>> secret=mypassword
>> host=dynamic
>> allow=gsm
>> transfer=no
>>
>> This is in the PBX box in /etc/asterisk/sip_registrations_custom.conf:
>> register => k1lnx:mypassword at 192.168.1.1/k1lnx
>>
>> When I issue a SIP reload on both boxes, I can not reg for whatever
>> reason:
>> (FreePBX box)
>> [Nov 12 10:17:02] WARNING[32096]: chan_sip.c:15790
>> handle_response_register: Got 404 Not found on SIP register to service
>> k1lnx at 192.168.1.1, giving up
>>
>> (app_rpt box)
>> [Nov 12 10:17:02] NOTICE[23702]: chan_sip.c:15628 handle_request_register:
>> Registration from '<sip:k1lnx at 192.168.1.1 <sip%3Ak1lnx at 192.168.1.1>>'
>> failed for '192.168.1.15' - No matching peer found
>>
>>
>> It's highly possible I have some syntax wrong somewhere and I have not
>> tried pointing a softphone at the app_rpt box yet with these credentials to
>> eliminate the FreePBX box as the issue.
>>
>> My thoughts are if I can get a SIP registration between both boxes I
>> should be able to accomplish autopatch/reverse autopatch very easily, unless
>> there is another easier or preferred method?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen
>>
>> --
>> **********************************
>> Stephen Brown - ARS K1LNX
>> Johnson City, TN EM86
>> http://www.k1lnx.net
>> google voice: 423-665-9367
>> **********************************
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Thank you, David
> 73's KE6UPI
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
>


-- 
**********************************
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Johnson City, TN EM86
http://www.k1lnx.net
google voice: 423-665-9367
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From kd8b at thebades.net  Fri Nov 13 14:31:31 2009
From: kd8b at thebades.net (KD8B)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:31:31 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Unable to connect in to a 5 digit node
Message-ID: <20091113143144.ZGHU9743.dukecmmtar04.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo03.coxmail.com>

Hello;
         Looking for a little help again...

I set up my new testing node on 27013. I get failed connects inbound 
but it does look like 27013 is registering correctly... outbound 
seems to work at least sometimes...
If I recall correctly ( from last night.. I was sleepy) 27013 
connects to 2235 but not to 2364, neither 2235 or 2364 can call in to 27013...

Is there anything we are going to need to fix in extensions.conf or 
such to provide for the mask change of 4 chars to 5 chars in node 
name??? or is this some firewall issue again??

Both nodes I am testing with are registered but

When connections come in that are not on port 4569... what do they 
come in on as a range??? maybe I need to forward those through my 
firewall?? I am using Untangle firewall and port forwarding from 
anything on the outside interface destined locally for port 4569 to 
pass through on 4569 to the inner specified host....

I am pretty sure you guys set up 2235 to only use 4569... this may 
have something to do with it..

In the big picture I Would rather fix the firewall to allow other 
ports through as needed than lock all to 4569.. but if that is what 
it takes ..ok :-)


Maybe packets arrive on one port and I am forcing them internally 
throug NAT to 4569 and this is messing something up????

Thoughts????


ON a separate issue ( although it does include the same nodes as 
involved parties)

27013 is at a separate site from (2235 and 2364) .... both sites are 
behind a Similarly configured Untangle firewall...


I also have 2 machines on 1 computer 2235 and 2364 and I can connect 
from 2235 to 2364 but not  from 2364 to 2235... being both on 
localhost 127.0.0.1 it would seem to be an internal problem but 
scanning the 4 conf files I cannot see what.... both have 
registrations in iax.conf, extensions.conf and in rpt.conf.. both 
work individually but I am missing this...

from extensions.conf
[radio-secure]
;exten => ${NODE},1,rpt,${NODE}
exten => 2235,1,Rpt,2235
exten => 2364,1,Rpt,2364

**************************** By the way.. are the "r" in rpt here 
case sensitive ??? I have seen listings both ways**************

[radio-gui]
exten => 2235,1,Rpt,2235|X
exten => 2364,1,Rpt,2364|X

from iax.conf
register=A2235:xxxxxx at register.allstarlink.org
register=A2364:xxxxxx at register.allstarlink.org

; Incoming radio connections

[radio]
type=user
disallow=all
allow=g726aal2
allow=gsm
codecpriority=host
context=radio-secure
transfer=no

from rpt.conf

[nodes]
; Note, if you are using automatic update for allstar link nodes,
; no allstar link nodes should be defined here. Only place a definition
; for your locak nodes, and private (off of allstar link) nodes here.

2235 = radio at 127.0.0.1/2235,NONE        ; This must be changed to 
your node number
2364 = radio at 127.0.0.1/2364,NONE

; Memories for remote bases

and I have this in line after both node stanza's so it is duplicated twice..

statpost_program=/usr/bin/wget,-q,--timeout=15,--tries=1,--output-document=/dev/null 

statpost_url=http://stats.allstarlink.org/uhandler.php ; Status updates

Any help?????

Doug





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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 13 17:10:48 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:10:48 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
	audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911121852350.24453-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <4AFB4F97.5000300@michiganbroadband.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911121852350.24453-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <000101ca6484$3eecafc0$bcc60f40$@com>

Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the normal audio
levels
It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt dropouts of the
stream..
Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the radio with
PL..

Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is happening
very randomly.

CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon going every
minute.

5-15 'dropouts' per minute.

I've tried to isolate it by throwing different tasks at the hardware/CPU to
see if the audio dropouts
Would increase or not during heavy CPU utilization or maxing out IO on
network hard drives etc.

Checked alsa mixer to make sure there were no open turned way up audio
inputs or mic monitor turned on..
Turned down all input levels and this had no effect on the dropouts either.

One thing I have not tried (but will not matter) is to hook a usb HDD to the
usb port and give the usb controller
Itself some activity besides the usbradio port and see if this impacts the
issue.

This might tend to point me back to the usb controller itself having an
issue..

I should also try a PCI external USB card on the motherboard and give it
it's own interrupt.

:-)









-----Original Message-----
From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:57 PM
To: Steve Gladden
Cc: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
audio popping problem.


Hi Steve,

What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a drum or 
is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??

The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this issue. 
But, I've never had loud POPS! ....

73, David kb4fxc



On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:

> Short version:
> 
> *Installed ACID
> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need 
> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware
etc.
> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access 
> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping 
> frequentness.
> 
> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems 
> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may 
> have done
>   to make it work better.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Long Version:
> 
> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try.. 
> and of course would take all the 'fun'
> out of getting it to work..
> Ok enough small talk (haha)
> Here's what I have going on:
> 
> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the 
> audio output of the USB sound device.
> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at 
> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going 
> every minute..
> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active 
> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and 
> occasional audio popping.
> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
> 
> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario 
> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
> Has USB 1.1  *NOT 2*
> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
> 
> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no 
> effect on the intermittent popping...
> 
> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for 
> test..
>     ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to 
> re-route this in the bios
>     so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
> 
> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20 
> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk 
> /app_rpt + usb radio.
> 
> 
> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI 
> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
>     I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
>     I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge 
> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on 
> the popping..
> 
> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
>     Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any 
> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use 
> (text mode)
>     moving interrupts  (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb 
> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
> 
> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is 
> not coming from 5V power supply.
> 
> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with 
> this..
>     what works and what does not?
>     The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of 
> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped 
> for something else
> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.
> 
> 


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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Sun Nov 15 07:19:20 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:19:20 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <000101ca6484$3eecafc0$bcc60f40$@com>
References: <4AFB4F97.5000300@michiganbroadband.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911121852350.24453-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
	<000101ca6484$3eecafc0$bcc60f40$@com>
Message-ID: <4AFFAB78.6080701@michiganbroadband.com>

Here's a youtube video of the popping I describe from the USB device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqYwhtuVLDs

If you have the patience to actually listen to about 3 minutes of 100Hz 
PL and the once per minute CWIDs you'll hear the audio
dropouts I am talking about..
Also a look on the scope (you'll also see it in that video) the audio is 
actually completely dropping off like cpu is elsewhere and the stream is 
not being processed for
short bursts of time but very randomly and sometimes not for over a 
minute at a time!
This sorta indicates to me it's not a CPU issue as CPU is maxed at only 
30% during testing and machine is still very responsive with seemingly 
plenty of CPU overhead to spare..

I'm continuing to try this out.
My testing approach is to try it out on some older/lower end systems 
first and then work my way up..
I'd like to know what types of older not as fast systems will run the 
simplest node yet still be able to support
usbradio.
So far I'm at still at the very low end of systems and have not seen one 
work solidly yet..
I'm testing on system #3 now..
This one is an Intel Pentium3 system with a 600MHz CPU.

I'm still getting the audio 'popping' as before different & less 
frequent than on the AMD 1.1GHz system..
This system actually has the USB on a dedicated interrupt this time.

Using top During TX/RX the CPU is at a steady 30% Utilization where on 
the Duron 1.1Ghz box it was around 10%

Pop's on this system average 3-4 per minute.

My test is as follows... no radio hooked up and monitoring TX audio from 
USB audio device.

have CWID set to ever 60 seconds

issue a manual "radio key"

This sends continuous PL 100Hz out the audio device + CWID every minute.

I notice the audio dropouts very intermittently but a bit more common 
around the cwid event.





















Steve Gladden wrote:
> Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the normal audio
> levels
> It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt dropouts of the
> stream..
> Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the radio with
> PL..
>
> Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is happening
> very randomly.
>
> CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
> Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon going every
> minute.
>
> 5-15 'dropouts' per minute.
>
> I've tried to isolate it by throwing different tasks at the hardware/CPU to
> see if the audio dropouts
> Would increase or not during heavy CPU utilization or maxing out IO on
> network hard drives etc.
>
> Checked alsa mixer to make sure there were no open turned way up audio
> inputs or mic monitor turned on..
> Turned down all input levels and this had no effect on the dropouts either.
>
> One thing I have not tried (but will not matter) is to hook a usb HDD to the
> usb port and give the usb controller
> Itself some activity besides the usbradio port and see if this impacts the
> issue.
>
> This might tend to point me back to the usb controller itself having an
> issue..
>
> I should also try a PCI external USB card on the motherboard and give it
> it's own interrupt.
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:57 PM
> To: Steve Gladden
> Cc: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
> audio popping problem.
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a drum or 
> is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??
>
> The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this issue. 
> But, I've never had loud POPS! ....
>
> 73, David kb4fxc
>
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>
>   
>> Short version:
>>
>> *Installed ACID
>> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
>> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
>> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need 
>> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
>> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
>> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware
>>     
> etc.
>   
>> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
>> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access 
>> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping 
>> frequentness.
>>
>> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems 
>> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may 
>> have done
>>   to make it work better.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Long Version:
>>
>> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
>> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
>> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
>> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try.. 
>> and of course would take all the 'fun'
>> out of getting it to work..
>> Ok enough small talk (haha)
>> Here's what I have going on:
>>
>> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the 
>> audio output of the USB sound device.
>> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at 
>> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
>> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going 
>> every minute..
>> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active 
>> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
>> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and 
>> occasional audio popping.
>> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
>>
>> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario 
>> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
>> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
>> Has USB 1.1  *NOT 2*
>> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
>>
>> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no 
>> effect on the intermittent popping...
>>
>> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for 
>> test..
>>     ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to 
>> re-route this in the bios
>>     so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
>>
>> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20 
>> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk 
>> /app_rpt + usb radio.
>>
>>
>> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI 
>> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
>>     I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
>>     I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge 
>> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on 
>> the popping..
>>
>> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
>>     Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any 
>> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use 
>> (text mode)
>>     moving interrupts  (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb 
>> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
>>
>> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is 
>> not coming from 5V power supply.
>>
>> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with 
>> this..
>>     what works and what does not?
>>     The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of 
>> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped 
>> for something else
>> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
>   


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From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Sun Nov 15 18:58:53 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:58:53 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Test. Please disregard
Message-ID: <4B004F6D.8010602@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>

Test. Please disregard


From jabettasso at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 15 22:50:46 2009
From: jabettasso at yahoo.com (John Bettasso)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:50:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] playback cmd?
Message-ID: <620789.15998.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,
Has global playback been implemented?  It appears that playback cmd performs the same as localplay cmd by only playing sound files locally. 

Thanks,
John, AJ9ON


      


From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Mon Nov 16 01:46:13 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:46:13 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Testing the mailing list
Message-ID: <4B00AEE5.7040708@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>

Does it work now?


From sales at qrvc.com  Mon Nov 16 01:47:16 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:47:16 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Testing the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <4B00AEE5.7040708@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
References: <4B00AEE5.7040708@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B00AF24.2040603@qrvc.com>

Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Does it work now?
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> 
Presumably so.


From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Mon Nov 16 01:58:19 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:58:19 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Mailing list back up
Message-ID: <4B00B1BB.4090500@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>

The IP address for the qrvc.com server was mistakenly classified as dynamic and was policy blocked by Spamhaus (PBL
list) at my ISP providing service to my home.

This appears to have been resolved.

I had not seen any list messages for a few days so I took a look at the logs on the qrvc.com website which told me what
was going on.


Steve
WA6ZFT


From sales at qrvc.com  Mon Nov 16 02:23:01 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:23:01 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <000101ca6484$3eecafc0$bcc60f40$@com>
References: <4AFB4F97.5000300@michiganbroadband.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911121852350.24453-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
	<000101ca6484$3eecafc0$bcc60f40$@com>
Message-ID: <4B00B785.5050302@qrvc.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the normal audio
> levels
> It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt dropouts of the
> stream..
> Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the radio with
> PL..
> 
> Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is happening
> very randomly.
> 
> CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
> Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon going every
> minute.
> 
> 5-15 'dropouts' per minute.
> 
> I've tried to isolate it by throwing different tasks at the hardware/CPU to
> see if the audio dropouts
> Would increase or not during heavy CPU utilization or maxing out IO on
> network hard drives etc.
> 
> Checked alsa mixer to make sure there were no open turned way up audio
> inputs or mic monitor turned on..
> Turned down all input levels and this had no effect on the dropouts either.
> 
> One thing I have not tried (but will not matter) is to hook a usb HDD to the
> usb port and give the usb controller
> Itself some activity besides the usbradio port and see if this impacts the
> issue.
> 
> This might tend to point me back to the usb controller itself having an
> issue..
> 
> I should also try a PCI external USB card on the motherboard and give it
> it's own interrupt.
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:57 PM
> To: Steve Gladden
> Cc: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
> audio popping problem.
> 
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a drum or 
> is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??
> 
> The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this issue. 
> But, I've never had loud POPS! ....
> 
> 73, David kb4fxc
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
> 
>> Short version:
>>
>> *Installed ACID
>> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
>> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
>> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need 
>> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
>> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
>> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware
> etc.
>> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
>> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access 
>> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping 
>> frequentness.
>>
>> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems 
>> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may 
>> have done
>>   to make it work better.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Long Version:
>>
>> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
>> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
>> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
>> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try.. 
>> and of course would take all the 'fun'
>> out of getting it to work..
>> Ok enough small talk (haha)
>> Here's what I have going on:
>>
>> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the 
>> audio output of the USB sound device.
>> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at 
>> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
>> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going 
>> every minute..
>> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active 
>> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
>> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and 
>> occasional audio popping.
>> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
>>
>> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario 
>> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
>> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
>> Has USB 1.1  *NOT 2*
>> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
>>
>> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no 
>> effect on the intermittent popping...
>>
>> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for 
>> test..
>>     ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to 
>> re-route this in the bios
>>     so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
>>
>> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20 
>> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk 
>> /app_rpt + usb radio.
>>
>>
>> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI 
>> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
>>     I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
>>     I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge 
>> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on 
>> the popping..
>>
>> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
>>     Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any 
>> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use 
>> (text mode)
>>     moving interrupts  (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb 
>> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
>>
>> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is 
>> not coming from 5V power supply.
>>
>> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with 
>> this..
>>     what works and what does not?
>>     The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of 
>> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped 
>> for something else
>> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.
>>
>>
> 
> 
This is reported occasionally, but I've never experienced it.

Given what you've tried already, I'd try a different motherboard.

Also, remove any usb hobs if you are using one.


Steve
WA6ZFT



From kd8b at thebades.net  Mon Nov 16 02:52:51 2009
From: kd8b at thebades.net (Doug Bade)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:52:51 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Testing the mailing list
In-Reply-To: <4B00AEE5.7040708@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
References: <4B00AEE5.7040708@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B00BE83.4000607@thebades.net>

Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Does it work now?
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
>
>   
I have no emails from the list since sometime Friday.. however at least 
one person got my email Friday am as he replied but did not have any 
specific answers although we did do some testing... Thanks Bob B... for 
that.... :-)

I sent a request for help on Friday, I think I am having a firewall 
issue. My question was if an IAX client tries to connect on something 
other than 4569... what range would it be??? I would like to forward a 
block before I ask to have all incoming mapped to 4569 only...
I am trying to set up a hub node where I have bandwidth.. but I am 
behind a firewall and even though I am port forwarding 4569.. stuff is 
not getting through.... I can connect from it to other nodes I operate 
(2235 2364) outbound  ....but  I cannot connect from others into it...


If anyone answered on Friday.. I never saw the reply.. I would 
appreciate any resend..

Doug
KD8B


From kd8b at thebades.net  Mon Nov 16 03:04:32 2009
From: kd8b at thebades.net (Doug Bade)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:04:32 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Port 4569 questions
In-Reply-To: <4B00BE83.4000607@thebades.net>
References: <4B00AEE5.7040708@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
	<4B00BE83.4000607@thebades.net>
Message-ID: <4B00C140.20008@thebades.net>

I have been testing more and found some strange firewall questions and 
or behavior...


I think it can be traced to connects arriving on other ports besides 
4569. It seems I can connect from my 27013 to 2235  but not to 2364 
which is in the same box  as 2235.. I can connect from 2235 to 2364 and 
from 2364 to 2237.  So sounds like an internet routing issue.. I think 
Steve or some one set 2235 for 4569 only in the database which might 
explain why it is working ok..

I would like to fix the firewalls in question so thinking it is a port 
forward issue.. what else can a IAX stream arrive on besides 4569 ???

I sent my configs in the email Friday... it appears in the archives.... 
if anyone wants to review. them. I do not think it is an app_rpt issue 
as much as a firewall issue...

I know I have asked a couple times, but I am reasking as I do not know 
which one may be getting through....

Thanks
and help??

Doug
KD8B


From kd8b at thebades.net  Mon Nov 16 03:06:43 2009
From: kd8b at thebades.net (Doug Bade)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:06:43 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Port 4569 questions
In-Reply-To: <4B00C140.20008@thebades.net>
References: <4B00AEE5.7040708@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>	<4B00BE83.4000607@thebades.net>
	<4B00C140.20008@thebades.net>
Message-ID: <4B00C1C3.4050606@thebades.net>

Sorry.. should have been 2235 to 2364 and 2364 to 2235
Doug Bade wrote:
> I think it can be traced to connects arriving on other ports besides 
> 4569. It seems I can connect from my 27013 to 2235  but not to 2364 
> which is in the same box  as 2235.. I can connect from 2235 to 2364 and 
> from 2364 to 2235.  So sounds like an internet routing issue.. I think 
> Steve or some one set 2235 for 4569 only in the database which might 
> explain why it is working ok..
>
> I would like to fix the firewalls in question so thinking it is a port 
> forward issue.. what else can a IAX stream arrive on besides 4569 ???
>
> ...
> Thanks
> and help??
>
> Doug
> KD8B
>
>   



From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Mon Nov 16 03:58:12 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:58:12 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] The audio file upload feature on allstarlink.org
Message-ID: <4B00CDD4.9090802@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>

I coded an addition to allstarlink.org which allows custom connect messages to be uploaded, stored, and eventually
re-distributed to all Allstar modes. I need help from a few node operators to upload a .wav file to test the upload
procedure.

To upload a .wav file, first record your connect message in .wav format sampled at a multiple of 8KHz. (e.g. 48 KHz).
The file size should be less than 2 megabytes. You connect message should be short and be something like "WA6ZZZ
Repeater, Los Angeles California"

Once the .wav file is recorded, you can upload it by logging in to allstarlink.org with your node number and password.
There will be a button to to upload the audio file once you are logged in. The button will present a form which you can
use to upload the audio file. Use the form and upload your audio file.

I would like to know if anyone gets any errors when uploading the .wav file. Pleas make a valid recording for your node
so that it can be used when the distribution part is implemented.

Steve
WA6ZFT






From george at dyb.com  Mon Nov 16 17:39:14 2009
From: george at dyb.com (George Csahanin)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:39:14 -0600
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt &usbradio
	audio popping problem.
Message-ID: <001c01ca66e3$b7398550$eb13a8c0@lintv.com>

Steve-

This sounds like it may be the same thing I was reporting, but I still 
haven't found a way to get a recording of it.
http://mantis.qrvc.com/view.php?id=34

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the normal 
> audio
> levels
> It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt dropouts of 
> the
> stream..
> Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the radio with
> PL..
>
> Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is happening
> very randomly.
>
> CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
> Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon going 
> every
> minute.
>
> 5-15 'dropouts' per minute.




This seems to describe what I see, but I don't classify it as a pop, but the 
PL is interrupted and the mobile RX briefly mutes.

Take care

GeorgeC
W2DB



George J Csahanin
W2DB
Cedar Park, TX 




From matt.g4rky at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 16 19:11:43 2009
From: matt.g4rky at googlemail.com (Matt Beasant)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:11:43 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] The audio file upload feature on allstarlink.org
In-Reply-To: <4B00CDD4.9090802@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
References: <4B00CDD4.9090802@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911161111h3af7394ci4a6e0f2e8cde45bb@mail.gmail.com>

I tried it Stephen but I got an error message:

Site Processing Error: The uploaded file could not be saved!
My file size was 197Kb

I saved it at 48KHz sample rate you suggested. The filename was node2250.wav

Regards,

Matt
G4RKY
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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Tue Nov 17 19:27:01 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:27:01 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <4B00B785.5050302@qrvc.com>
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Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Steve Gladden wrote:
>   
>> Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the normal audio
>> levels
>> It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt dropouts of the
>> stream..
>> Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the radio with
>> PL..
>>
>> Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is happening
>> very randomly.
>>
>> CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
>> Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon going every
>> minute.
>>
>> 5-15 'dropouts' per minute.
>>
>> I've tried to isolate it by throwing different tasks at the hardware/CPU to
>> see if the audio dropouts
>> Would increase or not during heavy CPU utilization or maxing out IO on
>> network hard drives etc.
>>
>> Checked alsa mixer to make sure there were no open turned way up audio
>> inputs or mic monitor turned on..
>> Turned down all input levels and this had no effect on the dropouts either.
>>
>> One thing I have not tried (but will not matter) is to hook a usb HDD to the
>> usb port and give the usb controller
>> Itself some activity besides the usbradio port and see if this impacts the
>> issue.
>>
>> This might tend to point me back to the usb controller itself having an
>> issue..
>>
>> I should also try a PCI external USB card on the motherboard and give it
>> it's own interrupt.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net] 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:57 PM
>> To: Steve Gladden
>> Cc: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
>> audio popping problem.
>>
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a drum or 
>> is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??
>>
>> The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this issue. 
>> But, I've never had loud POPS! ....
>>
>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Short version:
>>>
>>> *Installed ACID
>>> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
>>> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
>>> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need 
>>> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
>>> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
>>> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware
>>>       
>> etc.
>>     
>>> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
>>> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access 
>>> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping 
>>> frequentness.
>>>
>>> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems 
>>> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may 
>>> have done
>>>   to make it work better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Long Version:
>>>
>>> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
>>> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
>>> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
>>> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try.. 
>>> and of course would take all the 'fun'
>>> out of getting it to work..
>>> Ok enough small talk (haha)
>>> Here's what I have going on:
>>>
>>> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the 
>>> audio output of the USB sound device.
>>> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at 
>>> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
>>> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going 
>>> every minute..
>>> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active 
>>> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
>>> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and 
>>> occasional audio popping.
>>> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
>>>
>>> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario 
>>> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
>>> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
>>> Has USB 1.1  *NOT 2*
>>> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
>>>
>>> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no 
>>> effect on the intermittent popping...
>>>
>>> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for 
>>> test..
>>>     ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to 
>>> re-route this in the bios
>>>     so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
>>>
>>> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20 
>>> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk 
>>> /app_rpt + usb radio.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI 
>>> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
>>>     I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
>>>     I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge 
>>> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on 
>>> the popping..
>>>
>>> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
>>>     Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any 
>>> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use 
>>> (text mode)
>>>     moving interrupts  (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb 
>>> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
>>>
>>> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is 
>>> not coming from 5V power supply.
>>>
>>> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with 
>>> this..
>>>     what works and what does not?
>>>     The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of 
>>> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped 
>>> for something else
>>> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>     
> This is reported occasionally, but I've never experienced it.
>
> Given what you've tried already, I'd try a different motherboard.
>
> Also, remove any usb hobs if you are using one.
>
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
>
>   
Hello David... I *may* also be on to something here as I've been able to 
also determine that the audio pops are occuring ALWAYS
 While app_rpt is doing it's statpost routine!  updating stats via the web.

I set te statpost address to something local on the LAN for now just for 
testing but I get the same audio pops whether just on the
LAN or if it's statposting out to the internet.

The popping definitely happening at the time that app_rpt is sending 
HTTP out..
The popping never happens during other access to-from the ethernet or 
during IAX interchanges between asterisk and the world..
Seems to be only when app_rpt is stat posting...
Dave I think you are certainl correct about the issue being within app_rpt.
I'm sure the stat posting is not the only issue but I can duplicate the 
problem 100% by seeing the popping every time app_rpt
sends out HTTP. :-)

You may have already found that app_rpt does the 'droppouts' with a ton 
of other activities... not just stat posting like I am currently
pointing out...

Might be a start to something though... since it's duplicatable here. :-)

Note: I've not figured out how to manually make it statpost.. I just 
turend up the debug to 7 and waited for it to say it was statposting
also looking at the ethernet and see the HTTP packets go out at same 
time dropous are ocurring.














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From telesistant at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 17 20:43:44 2009
From: telesistant at hotmail.com (Jim Duuuude)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:43:44 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <4B02F905.6090206@michiganbroadband.com>
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if you dont mind, I would like to ask a completely left-field question.

What kind of ethernet hardware do you have on your system, and what kind of 
bus controller (northbridge, etc). Back in the really old days when we first
were using Zapata Telephony cards, we found a number of drivers that had, well
lets say, some serious issues in Linux.

Thanks for humoring me.

JIM WB6NIL


----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:27:01 -0500
> From: steve at michiganbroadband.com
> To: sales at qrvc.com
> CC: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio audio popping problem.
>
> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
>> Steve Gladden wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the normal audio
>>> levels
>>> It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt dropouts of the
>>> stream..
>>> Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the radio with
>>> PL..
>>>
>>> Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is happening
>>> very randomly.
>>>
>>> CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
>>> Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon going every
>>> minute.
>>>
>>> 5-15 'dropouts' per minute.
>>>
>>> I've tried to isolate it by throwing different tasks at the hardware/CPU to
>>> see if the audio dropouts
>>> Would increase or not during heavy CPU utilization or maxing out IO on
>>> network hard drives etc.
>>>
>>> Checked alsa mixer to make sure there were no open turned way up audio
>>> inputs or mic monitor turned on..
>>> Turned down all input levels and this had no effect on the dropouts either.
>>>
>>> One thing I have not tried (but will not matter) is to hook a usb HDD to the
>>> usb port and give the usb controller
>>> Itself some activity besides the usbradio port and see if this impacts the
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> This might tend to point me back to the usb controller itself having an
>>> issue..
>>>
>>> I should also try a PCI external USB card on the motherboard and give it
>>> it's own interrupt.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:57 PM
>>> To: Steve Gladden
>>> Cc: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
>>> audio popping problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a drum or
>>> is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??
>>>
>>> The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this issue.
>>> But, I've never had loud POPS! ....
>>>
>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Short version:
>>>>
>>>> *Installed ACID
>>>> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
>>>> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
>>>> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need
>>>> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
>>>> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
>>>> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware
>>>>
>>> etc.
>>>
>>>> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
>>>> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access
>>>> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping
>>>> frequentness.
>>>>
>>>> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems
>>>> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may
>>>> have done
>>>> to make it work better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Long Version:
>>>>
>>>> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
>>>> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
>>>> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
>>>> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try..
>>>> and of course would take all the 'fun'
>>>> out of getting it to work..
>>>> Ok enough small talk (haha)
>>>> Here's what I have going on:
>>>>
>>>> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the
>>>> audio output of the USB sound device.
>>>> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at
>>>> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
>>>> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going
>>>> every minute..
>>>> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active
>>>> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
>>>> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and
>>>> occasional audio popping.
>>>> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
>>>>
>>>> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario
>>>> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
>>>> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
>>>> Has USB 1.1 *NOT 2*
>>>> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
>>>>
>>>> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no
>>>> effect on the intermittent popping...
>>>>
>>>> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for
>>>> test..
>>>> ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to
>>>> re-route this in the bios
>>>> so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20
>>>> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk
>>>> /app_rpt + usb radio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI
>>>> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
>>>> I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
>>>> I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge
>>>> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on
>>>> the popping..
>>>>
>>>> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
>>>> Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any
>>>> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use
>>>> (text mode)
>>>> moving interrupts (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb
>>>> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
>>>>
>>>> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is
>>>> not coming from 5V power supply.
>>>>
>>>> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with
>>>> this..
>>>> what works and what does not?
>>>> The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of
>>>> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped
>>>> for something else
>>>> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> This is reported occasionally, but I've never experienced it.
>>
>> Given what you've tried already, I'd try a different motherboard.
>>
>> Also, remove any usb hobs if you are using one.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>>
>>
>>
> Hello David... I *may* also be on to something here as I've been able to
> also determine that the audio pops are occuring ALWAYS
> While app_rpt is doing it's statpost routine! updating stats via the web.
>
> I set te statpost address to something local on the LAN for now just for
> testing but I get the same audio pops whether just on the
> LAN or if it's statposting out to the internet.
>
> The popping definitely happening at the time that app_rpt is sending
> HTTP out..
> The popping never happens during other access to-from the ethernet or
> during IAX interchanges between asterisk and the world..
> Seems to be only when app_rpt is stat posting...
> Dave I think you are certainl correct about the issue being within app_rpt.
> I'm sure the stat posting is not the only issue but I can duplicate the
> problem 100% by seeing the popping every time app_rpt
> sends out HTTP. :-)
>
> You may have already found that app_rpt does the 'droppouts' with a ton
> of other activities... not just stat posting like I am currently
> pointing out...
>
> Might be a start to something though... since it's duplicatable here. :-)
>
> Note: I've not figured out how to manually make it statpost.. I just
> turend up the debug to 7 and waited for it to say it was statposting
> also looking at the ethernet and see the HTTP packets go out at same
> time dropous are ocurring.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Tue Nov 17 22:06:12 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:06:12 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
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Jim Duuuude wrote:
> if you dont mind, I would like to ask a completely left-field question.
>
> What kind of ethernet hardware do you have on your system, and what kind of 
> bus controller (northbridge, etc). Back in the really old days when we first
> were using Zapata Telephony cards, we found a number of drivers that had, well
> lets say, some serious issues in Linux.
>
> Thanks for humoring me.
>
> JIM WB6NIL
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>   
>> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:27:01 -0500
>> From: steve at michiganbroadband.com
>> To: sales at qrvc.com
>> CC: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio audio popping problem.
>>
>> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
>>     
>>> Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the normal audio
>>>> levels
>>>> It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt dropouts of the
>>>> stream..
>>>> Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the radio with
>>>> PL..
>>>>
>>>> Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is happening
>>>> very randomly.
>>>>
>>>> CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
>>>> Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon going every
>>>> minute.
>>>>
>>>> 5-15 'dropouts' per minute.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried to isolate it by throwing different tasks at the hardware/CPU to
>>>> see if the audio dropouts
>>>> Would increase or not during heavy CPU utilization or maxing out IO on
>>>> network hard drives etc.
>>>>
>>>> Checked alsa mixer to make sure there were no open turned way up audio
>>>> inputs or mic monitor turned on..
>>>> Turned down all input levels and this had no effect on the dropouts either.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I have not tried (but will not matter) is to hook a usb HDD to the
>>>> usb port and give the usb controller
>>>> Itself some activity besides the usbradio port and see if this impacts the
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>> This might tend to point me back to the usb controller itself having an
>>>> issue..
>>>>
>>>> I should also try a PCI external USB card on the motherboard and give it
>>>> it's own interrupt.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:57 PM
>>>> To: Steve Gladden
>>>> Cc: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
>>>> audio popping problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>
>>>> What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a drum or
>>>> is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??
>>>>
>>>> The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this issue.
>>>> But, I've never had loud POPS! ....
>>>>
>>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Short version:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Installed ACID
>>>>> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
>>>>> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
>>>>> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need
>>>>> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
>>>>> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
>>>>> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
>>>>> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access
>>>>> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping
>>>>> frequentness.
>>>>>
>>>>> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems
>>>>> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may
>>>>> have done
>>>>> to make it work better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Long Version:
>>>>>
>>>>> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
>>>>> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
>>>>> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
>>>>> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try..
>>>>> and of course would take all the 'fun'
>>>>> out of getting it to work..
>>>>> Ok enough small talk (haha)
>>>>> Here's what I have going on:
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the
>>>>> audio output of the USB sound device.
>>>>> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at
>>>>> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
>>>>> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going
>>>>> every minute..
>>>>> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active
>>>>> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
>>>>> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and
>>>>> occasional audio popping.
>>>>> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario
>>>>> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
>>>>> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
>>>>> Has USB 1.1 *NOT 2*
>>>>> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no
>>>>> effect on the intermittent popping...
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for
>>>>> test..
>>>>> ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to
>>>>> re-route this in the bios
>>>>> so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20
>>>>> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk
>>>>> /app_rpt + usb radio.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI
>>>>> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
>>>>> I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
>>>>> I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge
>>>>> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on
>>>>> the popping..
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
>>>>> Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any
>>>>> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use
>>>>> (text mode)
>>>>> moving interrupts (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb
>>>>> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is
>>>>> not coming from 5V power supply.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with
>>>>> this..
>>>>> what works and what does not?
>>>>> The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of
>>>>> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped
>>>>> for something else
>>>>> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> This is reported occasionally, but I've never experienced it.
>>>
>>> Given what you've tried already, I'd try a different motherboard.
>>>
>>> Also, remove any usb hobs if you are using one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> WA6ZFT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Hello David... I *may* also be on to something here as I've been able to
>> also determine that the audio pops are occuring ALWAYS
>> While app_rpt is doing it's statpost routine! updating stats via the web.
>>
>> I set te statpost address to something local on the LAN for now just for
>> testing but I get the same audio pops whether just on the
>> LAN or if it's statposting out to the internet.
>>
>> The popping definitely happening at the time that app_rpt is sending
>> HTTP out..
>> The popping never happens during other access to-from the ethernet or
>> during IAX interchanges between asterisk and the world..
>> Seems to be only when app_rpt is stat posting...
>> Dave I think you are certainl correct about the issue being within app_rpt.
>> I'm sure the stat posting is not the only issue but I can duplicate the
>> problem 100% by seeing the popping every time app_rpt
>> sends out HTTP. :-)
>>
>> You may have already found that app_rpt does the 'droppouts' with a ton
>> of other activities... not just stat posting like I am currently
>> pointing out...
>>
>> Might be a start to something though... since it's duplicatable here. :-)
>>
>> Note: I've not figured out how to manually make it statpost.. I just
>> turend up the debug to 7 and waited for it to say it was statposting
>> also looking at the ethernet and see the HTTP packets go out at same
>> time dropous are ocurring.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hello Jim,
I'll be trying out a lot of different hardware with this and comparing 
notes especially with the USB audio dropout issue.

I'm pretty much just getting started..
Whats been tried so far is two 'all in one' motherboards (intentionally 
as these are worse case scenario) and lower end CPUs.

Fisrt motherboard is an MSI 6378 V3 board Built on everything VIA?
Apollo KLE133 (VT8361+VT82C686B) with AMD Duron 1.1Ghz CPU
Manual available at http://stuff.michiganbroadband.com/6378v3.1.pdf

The 2nd combo is an old HP deskltop with a 600MHz Pentium-III
Motherboard is an Asus CUV-NT (HP supplied). manual available at 
http://stuff.michiganbroadband.com/cuv-nt-manual.pdf
NB: VIA VT82C694X  133A
SB: VIA VT82C596B
Build on Riva TNT vinatage VGA.
No built on ethernet..
Using RTL8139 PCI card at the moment.

Still get audio dropouts with no ethernet card installed + no driver loaded.
Have not been able to change dropout frequency of occurance by making 
the ethernet or CPU very busy.

Again worse case type of systems/motherboards to be trying out eh?
I thought I'd heard bad mention somewhere of VIA chipsets for this use 
as well.

David is also leading me to understand per his experience with the same 
types of dropouts didn't seem to be hardware related
And has been made better through some software tweaks/hacks.
I've got a lot of homework to do here.

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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Wed Nov 18 14:57:52 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:57:52 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W7364B411279FDCDEDFA01B1A40@phx.gbl>
References: <4AFB4F97.5000300@michiganbroadband.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911121852350.24453-100000@goliath.inttek.net>,
	<000101ca6484$3eecafc0$bcc60f40$@com> <4B00B785.5050302@qrvc.com>,
	<4B02F905.6090206@michiganbroadband.com>
	<BAY119-W7364B411279FDCDEDFA01B1A40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B040B70.1030503@michiganbroadband.com>

Jim Duuuude wrote:
> if you dont mind, I would like to ask a completely left-field question.
>
> What kind of ethernet hardware do you have on your system, and what kind of 
> bus controller (northbridge, etc). Back in the really old days when we first
> were using Zapata Telephony cards, we found a number of drivers that had, well
> lets say, some serious issues in Linux.
>
> Thanks for humoring me.
>
> JIM WB6NIL
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>   
>> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:27:01 -0500
>> From: steve at michiganbroadband.com
>> To: sales at qrvc.com
>> CC: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio audio popping problem.
>>
>> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
>>     
>>> Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the normal audio
>>>> levels
>>>> It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt dropouts of the
>>>> stream..
>>>> Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the radio with
>>>> PL..
>>>>
>>>> Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is happening
>>>> very randomly.
>>>>
>>>> CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
>>>> Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon going every
>>>> minute.
>>>>
>>>> 5-15 'dropouts' per minute.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried to isolate it by throwing different tasks at the hardware/CPU to
>>>> see if the audio dropouts
>>>> Would increase or not during heavy CPU utilization or maxing out IO on
>>>> network hard drives etc.
>>>>
>>>> Checked alsa mixer to make sure there were no open turned way up audio
>>>> inputs or mic monitor turned on..
>>>> Turned down all input levels and this had no effect on the dropouts either.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I have not tried (but will not matter) is to hook a usb HDD to the
>>>> usb port and give the usb controller
>>>> Itself some activity besides the usbradio port and see if this impacts the
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>> This might tend to point me back to the usb controller itself having an
>>>> issue..
>>>>
>>>> I should also try a PCI external USB card on the motherboard and give it
>>>> it's own interrupt.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:57 PM
>>>> To: Steve Gladden
>>>> Cc: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
>>>> audio popping problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>
>>>> What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a drum or
>>>> is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??
>>>>
>>>> The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this issue.
>>>> But, I've never had loud POPS! ....
>>>>
>>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Short version:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Installed ACID
>>>>> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
>>>>> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
>>>>> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need
>>>>> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
>>>>> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
>>>>> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
>>>>> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access
>>>>> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping
>>>>> frequentness.
>>>>>
>>>>> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems
>>>>> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may
>>>>> have done
>>>>> to make it work better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Long Version:
>>>>>
>>>>> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
>>>>> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
>>>>> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
>>>>> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try..
>>>>> and of course would take all the 'fun'
>>>>> out of getting it to work..
>>>>> Ok enough small talk (haha)
>>>>> Here's what I have going on:
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the
>>>>> audio output of the USB sound device.
>>>>> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at
>>>>> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
>>>>> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going
>>>>> every minute..
>>>>> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active
>>>>> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
>>>>> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and
>>>>> occasional audio popping.
>>>>> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario
>>>>> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
>>>>> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
>>>>> Has USB 1.1 *NOT 2*
>>>>> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no
>>>>> effect on the intermittent popping...
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for
>>>>> test..
>>>>> ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to
>>>>> re-route this in the bios
>>>>> so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20
>>>>> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk
>>>>> /app_rpt + usb radio.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI
>>>>> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
>>>>> I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
>>>>> I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge
>>>>> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on
>>>>> the popping..
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
>>>>> Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any
>>>>> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use
>>>>> (text mode)
>>>>> moving interrupts (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb
>>>>> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is
>>>>> not coming from 5V power supply.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with
>>>>> this..
>>>>> what works and what does not?
>>>>> The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of
>>>>> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped
>>>>> for something else
>>>>> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> This is reported occasionally, but I've never experienced it.
>>>
>>> Given what you've tried already, I'd try a different motherboard.
>>>
>>> Also, remove any usb hobs if you are using one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> WA6ZFT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Hello David... I *may* also be on to something here as I've been able to
>> also determine that the audio pops are occuring ALWAYS
>> While app_rpt is doing it's statpost routine! updating stats via the web.
>>
>> I set te statpost address to something local on the LAN for now just for
>> testing but I get the same audio pops whether just on the
>> LAN or if it's statposting out to the internet.
>>
>> The popping definitely happening at the time that app_rpt is sending
>> HTTP out..
>> The popping never happens during other access to-from the ethernet or
>> during IAX interchanges between asterisk and the world..
>> Seems to be only when app_rpt is stat posting...
>> Dave I think you are certainl correct about the issue being within app_rpt.
>> I'm sure the stat posting is not the only issue but I can duplicate the
>> problem 100% by seeing the popping every time app_rpt
>> sends out HTTP. :-)
>>
>> You may have already found that app_rpt does the 'droppouts' with a ton
>> of other activities... not just stat posting like I am currently
>> pointing out...
>>
>> Might be a start to something though... since it's duplicatable here. :-)
>>
>> Note: I've not figured out how to manually make it statpost.. I just
>> turend up the debug to 7 and waited for it to say it was statposting
>> also looking at the ethernet and see the HTTP packets go out at same
>> time dropous are ocurring.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>  		 	   		  
>   
I'm on test machine #4 now this one is a P3 @450Mhz  on an Asus P2-99 
Motherboard.. no built on video audio or ethernet..
A bit of a slower CPU on this one the audio dropouts are about the same 
(just as bad no worse) Turning off the stat post
by commenting out the two lines makes a HUGE difference for the better 
but still not perfect as there is still some dropouts..
This is totally stock off the ACID install after all updates & setup.

I still (badly) need to try David's suggested source and re-compile 
fixes and see what I get.
I've certainly found that the stat post part of app_rpt is really making 
the problem show up when it is active.
Besides needing to apply & try David's fixes I am still at the same time 
trying this on a variety of different hardware..
So far ACID out of the box has had the same issue of 4 different systems.

On this last attempt with a P2-99 I've gotten away from the VIA chipsets 
and pretty much all of the on motherboard problem/frustration causers.
This Motherboard uses Intel NB and SB.. A copy of the manual for this 
one is at: http://stuff.michiganbroadband.com/p2-99.pdf

Cheers!
Steve

















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From sales at qrvc.com  Wed Nov 18 15:14:33 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:14:33 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <4B040B70.1030503@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4AFB4F97.5000300@michiganbroadband.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911121852350.24453-100000@goliath.inttek.net>,
	<000101ca6484$3eecafc0$bcc60f40$@com> <4B00B785.5050302@qrvc.com>,
	<4B02F905.6090206@michiganbroadband.com>	<BAY119-W7364B411279FDCDEDFA01B1A40@phx.gbl>
	<4B040B70.1030503@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B040F59.903@qrvc.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Jim Duuuude wrote:
>> if you dont mind, I would like to ask a completely left-field question.
>>
>> What kind of ethernet hardware do you have on your system, and what kind of 
>> bus controller (northbridge, etc). Back in the really old days when we first
>> were using Zapata Telephony cards, we found a number of drivers that had, well
>> lets say, some serious issues in Linux.
>>
>> Thanks for humoring me.
>>
>> JIM WB6NIL
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>   
>>> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:27:01 -0500
>>> From: steve at michiganbroadband.com
>>> To: sales at qrvc.com
>>> CC: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio audio popping problem.
>>>
>>> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>> Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the normal audio
>>>>> levels
>>>>> It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt dropouts of the
>>>>> stream..
>>>>> Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the radio with
>>>>> PL..
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is happening
>>>>> very randomly.
>>>>>
>>>>> CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
>>>>> Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon going every
>>>>> minute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5-15 'dropouts' per minute.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried to isolate it by throwing different tasks at the hardware/CPU to
>>>>> see if the audio dropouts
>>>>> Would increase or not during heavy CPU utilization or maxing out IO on
>>>>> network hard drives etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Checked alsa mixer to make sure there were no open turned way up audio
>>>>> inputs or mic monitor turned on..
>>>>> Turned down all input levels and this had no effect on the dropouts either.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I have not tried (but will not matter) is to hook a usb HDD to the
>>>>> usb port and give the usb controller
>>>>> Itself some activity besides the usbradio port and see if this impacts the
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> This might tend to point me back to the usb controller itself having an
>>>>> issue..
>>>>>
>>>>> I should also try a PCI external USB card on the motherboard and give it
>>>>> it's own interrupt.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:57 PM
>>>>> To: Steve Gladden
>>>>> Cc: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
>>>>> audio popping problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a drum or
>>>>> is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this issue.
>>>>> But, I've never had loud POPS! ....
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>> Short version:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Installed ACID
>>>>>> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
>>>>>> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first attempt.
>>>>>> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far.. I need
>>>>>> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
>>>>>> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
>>>>>> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on hardware
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
>>>>>> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk access
>>>>>> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping
>>>>>> frequentness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar problems
>>>>>> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they may
>>>>>> have done
>>>>>> to make it work better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Long Version:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
>>>>>> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount server..
>>>>>> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
>>>>>> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first try..
>>>>>> and of course would take all the 'fun'
>>>>>> out of getting it to work..
>>>>>> Ok enough small talk (haha)
>>>>>> Here's what I have going on:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping in the
>>>>>> audio output of the USB sound device.
>>>>>> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on average.. 10 at
>>>>>> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a 'pop'.
>>>>>> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have going
>>>>>> every minute..
>>>>>> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is active
>>>>>> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
>>>>>> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous PL and
>>>>>> occasional audio popping.
>>>>>> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case scenario
>>>>>> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
>>>>>> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
>>>>>> Has USB 1.1 *NOT 2*
>>>>>> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have absolutely no
>>>>>> effect on the intermittent popping...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including ethernet for
>>>>>> test..
>>>>>> ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to
>>>>>> re-route this in the bios
>>>>>> so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around 20
>>>>>> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk
>>>>>> /app_rpt + usb radio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a PCI
>>>>>> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
>>>>>> I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the popping..
>>>>>> I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge
>>>>>> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no effect on
>>>>>> the popping..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
>>>>>> Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has any
>>>>>> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy vga use
>>>>>> (text mode)
>>>>>> moving interrupts (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting usb
>>>>>> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping' sound is
>>>>>> not coming from 5V power supply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been with
>>>>>> this..
>>>>>> what works and what does not?
>>>>>> The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind of
>>>>>> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely dropped
>>>>>> for something else
>>>>>> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the output stream.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>> This is reported occasionally, but I've never experienced it.
>>>>
>>>> Given what you've tried already, I'd try a different motherboard.
>>>>
>>>> Also, remove any usb hobs if you are using one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> WA6ZFT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> Hello David... I *may* also be on to something here as I've been able to
>>> also determine that the audio pops are occuring ALWAYS
>>> While app_rpt is doing it's statpost routine! updating stats via the web.
>>>
>>> I set te statpost address to something local on the LAN for now just for
>>> testing but I get the same audio pops whether just on the
>>> LAN or if it's statposting out to the internet.
>>>
>>> The popping definitely happening at the time that app_rpt is sending
>>> HTTP out..
>>> The popping never happens during other access to-from the ethernet or
>>> during IAX interchanges between asterisk and the world..
>>> Seems to be only when app_rpt is stat posting...
>>> Dave I think you are certainl correct about the issue being within app_rpt.
>>> I'm sure the stat posting is not the only issue but I can duplicate the
>>> problem 100% by seeing the popping every time app_rpt
>>> sends out HTTP. :-)
>>>
>>> You may have already found that app_rpt does the 'droppouts' with a ton
>>> of other activities... not just stat posting like I am currently
>>> pointing out...
>>>
>>> Might be a start to something though... since it's duplicatable here. :-)
>>>
>>> Note: I've not figured out how to manually make it statpost.. I just
>>> turend up the debug to 7 and waited for it to say it was statposting
>>> also looking at the ethernet and see the HTTP packets go out at same
>>> time dropous are ocurring.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>>> believed to be clean.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>     
>>  		 	   		  
>>   
> I'm on test machine #4 now this one is a P3 @450Mhz  on an Asus P2-99 
> Motherboard.. no built on video audio or ethernet..
> A bit of a slower CPU on this one the audio dropouts are about the same 
> (just as bad no worse) Turning off the stat post
> by commenting out the two lines makes a HUGE difference for the better 
> but still not perfect as there is still some dropouts..
> This is totally stock off the ACID install after all updates & setup.
> 
> I still (badly) need to try David's suggested source and re-compile 
> fixes and see what I get.
> I've certainly found that the stat post part of app_rpt is really making 
> the problem show up when it is active.
> Besides needing to apply & try David's fixes I am still at the same time 
> trying this on a variety of different hardware..
> So far ACID out of the box has had the same issue of 4 different systems.
> 
> On this last attempt with a P2-99 I've gotten away from the VIA chipsets 
> and pretty much all of the on motherboard problem/frustration causers.
> This Motherboard uses Intel NB and SB.. A copy of the manual for this 
> one is at: http://stuff.michiganbroadband.com/p2-99.pdf
> 
> Cheers!
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

All the machines you have tried except one are sub 1GHz. And the 1.1GHz machine you were using is a Duron processor
which is the low end of the low end! In our documentation we specify a machine with a clock speed of 1GHz or better. The
DSP routines in chan_usbradio/XPMR may be getting bogged down for an instant during the fork or ethernet packet
transmission of the statpost info. We have not had much luck running ACID on machines under 1GHz and we have not tested
it on Celeron or Duron processors.

There are lots of users out there using ACID, but I suspect if you ask them, they are running processors north of 1GHz
and that most of them are running later vintage processors from Intel and AMD.

If you want to continue using old motherboards with slower clock speeds and old low end processors, then you have to
expect these kinds of issues.

Steve
WA6ZFT



From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Wed Nov 18 15:55:36 2009
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:55:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <4B040F59.903@qrvc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911181029500.24786-100000@goliath.inttek.net>


<snip>
> 
> All the machines you have tried except one are sub 1GHz. And the 1.1GHz machine you were using is a Duron processor
> which is the low end of the low end! In our documentation we specify a machine with a clock speed of 1GHz or better. The
> DSP routines in chan_usbradio/XPMR may be getting bogged down for an instant during the fork or ethernet packet
> transmission of the statpost info. We have not had much luck running ACID on machines under 1GHz and we have not tested
> it on Celeron or Duron processors.
> 
> There are lots of users out there using ACID, but I suspect if you ask them, they are running processors north of 1GHz
> and that most of them are running later vintage processors from Intel and AMD.
> 
> If you want to continue using old motherboards with slower clock speeds and old low end processors, then you have to
> expect these kinds of issues.
> 
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
> 


Hi Steve,

I have choppiness problems, too, as I've mentioned in threads in the past.  
I hacked chan_usbaudio.c slightly -and- turned OFF RADIO_RELAX and have
radically improved results--almost no chop at all...I haven't encountered
the statpost issue since I'm not sending out updates yet. I also had
ugly timer issues with my fastest box. Going to a 2.6.30.5 kernel and the
hi-res timer and patching zaptel/kernel/ztdummy.c fixed this.

I'm running recent boxes--one is a Athlon64X2 4400+, a second is an A64X2
6000+. They're both MSI motherboards. One is ATI chipset, the other is
NVIDIA. I've also used slower (Single core 32bit Athlon 2800+, VIA
chipset) machines in the past with the same exact problems. And, all the
boards have different network adapters. I'm even running 3ware RAID 1 on
one of the boxes. ...Note also that I'm running MANY of these boxes (well
over 100!) in production using linux at my company--several even running
the asterisk PBX software...Never any problems at all.

Also, if I use various linux utilities to read/write the CM108 audio
device directly, I've not had any dropped/chopped audio. I realize this is
a different scenario from how audio is handled by asterisk, but, it leads
me to believe that there isn't any systemic problem with my
linux/hardware/USB config.

Thanks in advance!

73, David kb4fxc





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From jsuter at intrastar.net  Wed Nov 18 18:56:32 2009
From: jsuter at intrastar.net (Jacob Suter)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:56:32 -0600
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
	audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <4B040B70.1030503@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4AFB4F97.5000300@michiganbroadband.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911121852350.24453-100000@goliath.inttek.net>,
	<000101ca6484$3eecafc0$bcc60f40$@com> <4B00B785.5050302@qrvc.com>,
	<4B02F905.6090206@michiganbroadband.com>	<BAY119-W7364B411279FDCDEDFA01B1A40@phx.gbl>
	<4B040B70.1030503@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca6880$d8d71f80$8a855e80$@net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: app_rpt-users-bounces at qrvc.com [mailto:app_rpt-users-
> bounces at qrvc.com] On Behalf Of Steve Gladden
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:58 AM
> To: Jim Duuuude
> Cc: app_rpt mailing list; sales at qrvc.com
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt &
> usbradio audio popping problem.
> 
> Jim Duuuude wrote:
> > if you dont mind, I would like to ask a completely left-field
> question.
> >
> > What kind of ethernet hardware do you have on your system, and what
> kind of
> > bus controller (northbridge, etc). Back in the really old days when
> we first
> > were using Zapata Telephony cards, we found a number of drivers that
> had, well
> > lets say, some serious issues in Linux.
> >
> > Thanks for humoring me.
> >
> > JIM WB6NIL
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:27:01 -0500
> >> From: steve at michiganbroadband.com
> >> To: sales at qrvc.com
> >> CC: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> >> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt &
> usbradio audio popping problem.
> >>
> >> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> >>
> >>> Steve Gladden wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi David.. it's not a terribly loud popping it's right with the
> normal audio
> >>>> levels
> >>>> It really sounds like 'holes' in the processing small abrupt
> dropouts of the
> >>>> stream..
> >>>> Very random in timing maybe 5-15 hits per minute when I key the
> radio with
> >>>> PL..
> >>>>
> >>>> Seems to more frequently happen on/around the CWID but still is
> happening
> >>>> very randomly.
> >>>>
> >>>> CPU utilization is ~10% while radio keyed producing PL and CWID..
> >>>> Have radio continuously keyed (no actual radio) and CDID beacon
> going every
> >>>> minute.
> >>>>
> >>>> 5-15 'dropouts' per minute.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've tried to isolate it by throwing different tasks at the
> hardware/CPU to
> >>>> see if the audio dropouts
> >>>> Would increase or not during heavy CPU utilization or maxing out
> IO on
> >>>> network hard drives etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Checked alsa mixer to make sure there were no open turned way up
> audio
> >>>> inputs or mic monitor turned on..
> >>>> Turned down all input levels and this had no effect on the
> dropouts either.
> >>>>
> >>>> One thing I have not tried (but will not matter) is to hook a usb
> HDD to the
> >>>> usb port and give the usb controller
> >>>> Itself some activity besides the usbradio port and see if this
> impacts the
> >>>> issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> This might tend to point me back to the usb controller itself
> having an
> >>>> issue..
> >>>>
> >>>> I should also try a PCI external USB card on the motherboard and
> give it
> >>>> it's own interrupt.
> >>>>
> >>>> :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net]
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:57 PM
> >>>> To: Steve Gladden
> >>>> Cc: app_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt &
> usbradio
> >>>> audio popping problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Steve,
> >>>>
> >>>> What exactly do you mean by "popping"?? Is it a loud POP! like a
> drum or
> >>>> is it a momentary audio drop-out or choppiness??
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason I ask about choppiness is that I've experienced this
> issue.
> >>>> But, I've never had loud POPS! ....
> >>>>
> >>>> 73, David kb4fxc
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Short version:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Installed ACID
> >>>>> *Have audio popping problem with USB transmit (output) audio.
> >>>>> *I'm not surprised didn't expect it to work perfectly first
> attempt.
> >>>>> *Only tried one combinarion of hardware/cpu/motherboard so far..
> I need
> >>>>> to try other motherboards/CPUs.
> >>>>> * Tried 3 different USB devices and ports.
> >>>>> * played with moving interrupts disabling motehrboard built-on
> hardware
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> etc.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> * CPU runs at about 10% while USB radio is active..
> >>>>> * Loading PC heavily by running gzip -9 seti at home Lots of disk
> access
> >>>>> lots of network activity seem to have zero impact on the popping
> >>>>> frequentness.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * I'd like to know if anyone else here has had this or similar
> problems
> >>>>> with consistent audio from the USB device (CM-108) and what they
> may
> >>>>> have done
> >>>>> to make it work better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Long Version:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I gave it a go and went the 'easy' route just to get started..
> >>>>> I ended up trying it out on that 1.1Ghz AMD Duron CPU rack mount
> server..
> >>>>> I must say I'm extremely excited & please with this software..
> >>>>> But it would be too good to be true if it all just worked first
> try..
> >>>>> and of course would take all the 'fun'
> >>>>> out of getting it to work..
> >>>>> Ok enough small talk (haha)
> >>>>> Here's what I have going on:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Everything works except I am getting intermittent audio popping
> in the
> >>>>> audio output of the USB sound device.
> >>>>> VERY intermittent maybe about 3-4 'pops' every minute on
> average.. 10 at
> >>>>> most sometimes.. and other times several minutes go by without a
> 'pop'.
> >>>>> It seems to mostly occur during the CW ID beacon which I have
> going
> >>>>> every minute..
> >>>>> The pops that are heard only happen when the 'transmitter' is
> active
> >>>>> sending PL or CW ID or PLAYBACK...
> >>>>> My test arrangement has "radio key" running to produce continuous
> PL and
> >>>>> occasional audio popping.
> >>>>> There is no radio actually hooked up yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OK will talk about the hardware a bit.. and probably worse case
> scenario
> >>>>> here due to an 'all in one' motherboard..
> >>>>> It's a MSI 6378 'budget' Athlon board.. everything built on.
> >>>>> Has USB 1.1 *NOT 2*
> >>>>> I don't know/think this matters for a sound device.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's all of the things I have tried all of which have
> absolutely no
> >>>>> effect on the intermittent popping...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Disabling everything not needed on motherboard including
> ethernet for
> >>>>> test..
> >>>>> ethernet + usb share an interrup line and there is no ability to
> >>>>> re-route this in the bios
> >>>>> so I turned off the ethernet on the motherboard for testing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. Carefully monitor CPU during audio pops running 'top' around
> 20
> >>>>> updates per second (this alone takes more CPU load than asterisk
> >>>>> /app_rpt + usb radio.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3. On this motherboard the USB controller and ethernet share a
> PCI
> >>>>> interuupt line and you cannot change it.
> >>>>> I've tried disabling the built on ethernet and still get the
> popping..
> >>>>> I've also flood and large pinged the machine which genreates huge
> >>>>> numbers of interrups from the ethernet chip and this has no
> effect on
> >>>>> the popping..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4. Tried other USB fobs with same chipset.
> >>>>> Created various types of heavy system activity to see if it has
> any
> >>>>> impact on the popping heavy disk use hevy network use and heavy
> vga use
> >>>>> (text mode)
> >>>>> moving interrupts (changing them) on the motherboard.. getting
> usb
> >>>>> controller onto a different interuupt (ethernet ends up on same).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 5. Measured and scoped 5V output on USB to be sure 'popping'
> sound is
> >>>>> not coming from 5V power supply.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 6. Am really looking to hear what some others experience has been
> with
> >>>>> this..
> >>>>> what works and what does not?
> >>>>> The popping very much sounds like an interrupt issue or some kind
> of
> >>>>> issue where the task of sending and audio stream is completely
> dropped
> >>>>> for something else
> >>>>> and then resumed leaving lots of holes heard as pops in the
> output stream.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> This is reported occasionally, but I've never experienced it.
> >>>
> >>> Given what you've tried already, I'd try a different motherboard.
> >>>
> >>> Also, remove any usb hobs if you are using one.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>> WA6ZFT
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Hello David... I *may* also be on to something here as I've been
> able to
> >> also determine that the audio pops are occuring ALWAYS
> >> While app_rpt is doing it's statpost routine! updating stats via the
> web.
> >>
> >> I set te statpost address to something local on the LAN for now just
> for
> >> testing but I get the same audio pops whether just on the
> >> LAN or if it's statposting out to the internet.
> >>
> >> The popping definitely happening at the time that app_rpt is sending
> >> HTTP out..
> >> The popping never happens during other access to-from the ethernet
> or
> >> during IAX interchanges between asterisk and the world..
> >> Seems to be only when app_rpt is stat posting...
> >> Dave I think you are certainl correct about the issue being within
> app_rpt.
> >> I'm sure the stat posting is not the only issue but I can duplicate
> the
> >> problem 100% by seeing the popping every time app_rpt
> >> sends out HTTP. :-)
> >>
> >> You may have already found that app_rpt does the 'droppouts' with a
> ton
> >> of other activities... not just stat posting like I am currently
> >> pointing out...
> >>
> >> Might be a start to something though... since it's duplicatable
> here. :-)
> >>
> >> Note: I've not figured out how to manually make it statpost.. I just
> >> turend up the debug to 7 and waited for it to say it was statposting
> >> also looking at the ethernet and see the HTTP packets go out at same
> >> time dropous are ocurring.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> I'm on test machine #4 now this one is a P3 @450Mhz  on an Asus P2-99
> Motherboard.. no built on video audio or ethernet..
> A bit of a slower CPU on this one the audio dropouts are about the same
> (just as bad no worse) Turning off the stat post
> by commenting out the two lines makes a HUGE difference for the better
> but still not perfect as there is still some dropouts..
> This is totally stock off the ACID install after all updates & setup.
> 
> I still (badly) need to try David's suggested source and re-compile
> fixes and see what I get.
> I've certainly found that the stat post part of app_rpt is really
> making
> the problem show up when it is active.
> Besides needing to apply & try David's fixes I am still at the same
> time
> trying this on a variety of different hardware..
> So far ACID out of the box has had the same issue of 4 different
> systems.
> 
> On this last attempt with a P2-99 I've gotten away from the VIA
> chipsets
> and pretty much all of the on motherboard problem/frustration causers.
> This Motherboard uses Intel NB and SB.. A copy of the manual for this
> one is at: http://stuff.michiganbroadband.com/p2-99.pdf


You're currently describing why I don't use Asterisk for my PBX - it seems
to desire an outrageous amount of dedicated resources to make work
consistently.  I find FreeSwitch seems to work 99% better in these
situations, but FreeSwitch's repeater control module (fs_rpt) is still
incomplete and theres no Echolink or IRLP linking options (yet)

>From my own tests I can say Asterisk isn't as much CPU hungry as it is
"consistent performance hungry".  Your old P3 is likely fast enough to
handle the job, but when things like disk I/O occur (IDE and SATA drives
*LOVE* 'eating' your machine's performance up during I/O) it just can't keep
up for a few milliseconds, and asterisk doesn't recover well from the
situation.

People tend to throw a lot of CPU at it, because CPU is cheap and easy, and
end up having the same problems.  I'm fairly certain $25 worth of surplus
SCSI controller, cable, and disk off ebay would likely cure the largest
problems you're seeing.

Also, while you're Ebaying, treat yourself to a nice Intel 10/100 adapter.
I buy them surplus by the 10 pack, myself.  Junk Ethernet adapters (Realtek,
VIA, etc) are a performance-eater under any circumstance.

Good Luck!

JS





From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Thu Nov 19 11:48:56 2009
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:48:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <000001ca6880$d8d71f80$8a855e80$@net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911190633210.18188-100000@goliath.inttek.net>




On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Jacob Suter wrote:

<snip>
> 
> You're currently describing why I don't use Asterisk for my PBX - it seems
> to desire an outrageous amount of dedicated resources to make work
> consistently.  I find FreeSwitch seems to work 99% better in these
> situations, but FreeSwitch's repeater control module (fs_rpt) is still
> incomplete and theres no Echolink or IRLP linking options (yet)
> 
> >From my own tests I can say Asterisk isn't as much CPU hungry as it is
> "consistent performance hungry".  Your old P3 is likely fast enough to
> handle the job, but when things like disk I/O occur (IDE and SATA drives
> *LOVE* 'eating' your machine's performance up during I/O) it just can't keep
> up for a few milliseconds, and asterisk doesn't recover well from the
> situation.
> 
> People tend to throw a lot of CPU at it, because CPU is cheap and easy, and
> end up having the same problems.  I'm fairly certain $25 worth of surplus
> SCSI controller, cable, and disk off ebay would likely cure the largest
> problems you're seeing.
> 
> Also, while you're Ebaying, treat yourself to a nice Intel 10/100 adapter.
> I buy them surplus by the 10 pack, myself.  Junk Ethernet adapters (Realtek,
> VIA, etc) are a performance-eater under any circumstance.
> 
> Good Luck!
> 
> JS
> 


Hi Jacob,

Interesting info about freeswitch. I had heard it was out there, but
haven't looked at it. I've had excellent results with asterisk as a PBX
over the last 6 years or so. There were some rough edges to start with, as
expected with any software. We now run/use several asterisk boxes at
different locations for my business; mainly connected to T1's and
providing VoIP gateways, etc. And, we have a few FXS lines here and there
for analog connections to fax machines, etc. All of these boxes are in the
1GHz CPU range, AMD CPU, and cheap ethernet. Aside from somewhat weak
software echo cancellation, they really work great. We went ahead and
deployed hardware/DSP echo cancellation where needed, and that issue was
resolved, too.

Anyway, for us, asterisk is very much a success story....But, we're not 
trying to "reinvent" the phone company, either!

73, David kb4fxc



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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 03:35:15 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:35:15 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First experience with ACID app_rpt & usbradio
 audio popping problem.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911190633210.18188-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911190633210.18188-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <4B060E73.9040405@michiganbroadband.com>

We've also had 5+ years of great success with asterisk..
I've  seen asterisk do a LOT of DSP + Transcoding on one a Pentium400Mhz 
CPU.
And I've done some DTMF + packet radio DSP on old Pentium 100Mhz and 486 
66Mhz Systems.
Which is why I'm not at all sold on the issues with audio being not 
enough CPU on a 1.1Ghz Duron. :-)
I'm willing to listen & learn..
I'm in the processof trying to abply Dave's fixes (new kernel with 
precision timer set to 1000Hz) and ztdumyc+usbradio.c hacks and compare 
that as well..

I'm struggling to being up a working kernel on my first system to test 
with a fresh compiled kernel of my own..

Meanwhile I'm going to try this on a 3Ghz all Intel much faster and see 
if the radio drop outs are indeed gone or if they're all still there
and if in the same way or different...

David:  I'm still working on trying your fixes..
BTW P3 450Mhz is working *almost perfect* just by turning off that stat 
post thing.. :-)
It's good enough as is to use as a home/test node but not on a 
production/remote system.
I'm #2586 and on most of the time :-)
Feel free to give us a shout!

And thanks everyone here for all of your help & suggestions..

I can appreciate that in general that everyone out here who has a 
working system is using much faster system than I have reported to be 
giving me issues..
And I will be movingto/testing on much faster new systems as well...
I'm just the kind of person who has to know why it's not working 
properly on a Pentium3 /450 for the fun of it.
So far I've not been able to conclude on my own that a 300 or 400Mhz 
Pentium2/3 system can't handle this due to not enough CPU.
I think I've done some reasonable test thus far to determine that the 
CPU is not being even anyhwere remotely close to being maxed out..

The behavior I'm seeing it such that I first suspect faulty programming 
(that can be fixed) or improper/ non optimal use of precision timer.
Or the way dsp work is being scheduled/prioritized along with the timer 
interrupt..

In other words it may be written is such a way that it happens to work 
better on high speed systems.. but when looking at it closely it's not 
failing
because the CPU is actually maxed out... it's failng because it was 
written in such a way that a certain amount of work is expected to get 
done within
one timer routine..

Or the task is not written in a guaranteed to get done without being 
interrupted by something that should technically could be held off to 
make the audio stream
the top priority or 'non interruptable' during it's most critical thing 
it does ;-)

I'm not an experienced programmer with this stuff but I'd like to learn 
and help out when I am able to!
This is a big learning experience for me as far as the opportunity to 
learn how to do some programming/tweaking in C goes.

Thanks very much for your help & your patience and your listening :-)

Steve


















David McGough wrote:
>
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Jacob Suter wrote:
>
> <snip>
>   
>> You're currently describing why I don't use Asterisk for my PBX - it seems
>> to desire an outrageous amount of dedicated resources to make work
>> consistently.  I find FreeSwitch seems to work 99% better in these
>> situations, but FreeSwitch's repeater control module (fs_rpt) is still
>> incomplete and theres no Echolink or IRLP linking options (yet)
>>
>> >From my own tests I can say Asterisk isn't as much CPU hungry as it is
>> "consistent performance hungry".  Your old P3 is likely fast enough to
>> handle the job, but when things like disk I/O occur (IDE and SATA drives
>> *LOVE* 'eating' your machine's performance up during I/O) it just can't keep
>> up for a few milliseconds, and asterisk doesn't recover well from the
>> situation.
>>
>> People tend to throw a lot of CPU at it, because CPU is cheap and easy, and
>> end up having the same problems.  I'm fairly certain $25 worth of surplus
>> SCSI controller, cable, and disk off ebay would likely cure the largest
>> problems you're seeing.
>>
>> Also, while you're Ebaying, treat yourself to a nice Intel 10/100 adapter.
>> I buy them surplus by the 10 pack, myself.  Junk Ethernet adapters (Realtek,
>> VIA, etc) are a performance-eater under any circumstance.
>>
>> Good Luck!
>>
>> JS
>>
>>     
>
>
> Hi Jacob,
>
> Interesting info about freeswitch. I had heard it was out there, but
> haven't looked at it. I've had excellent results with asterisk as a PBX
> over the last 6 years or so. There were some rough edges to start with, as
> expected with any software. We now run/use several asterisk boxes at
> different locations for my business; mainly connected to T1's and
> providing VoIP gateways, etc. And, we have a few FXS lines here and there
> for analog connections to fax machines, etc. All of these boxes are in the
> 1GHz CPU range, AMD CPU, and cheap ethernet. Aside from somewhat weak
> software echo cancellation, they really work great. We went ahead and
> deployed hardware/DSP echo cancellation where needed, and that issue was
> resolved, too.
>
> Anyway, for us, asterisk is very much a success story....But, we're not 
> trying to "reinvent" the phone company, either!
>
> 73, David kb4fxc
>
>
>
>   
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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 05:07:22 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:07:22 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this before? anyone
 know the centos default root password?
Message-ID: <4B06240A.7010806@michiganbroadband.com>

Anyone seen this before? anyone know the Centos default root password?

>Meanwhile I'm going to try this on a 3Ghz all Intel much faster and see 
>if the radio drop outs are indeed gone or if they're all still there
>and if in the same way or different...

Or not... just tried installing ACID on two different *new* systems..
On both systems it goes and does everything updates & all..
I think it even compiles asterisk.. or sor sure at least starts into that process..

There's some sort of 'error right before it goes to the login screen but goes by in less than 1/2 second..
Hitting shit+pageup shows some scrollback but not the error..


Whie instlling ACID It goes straight to a login screen right after install and never EVER prompts for anything at all..
Anyone know the default root password on ACID if the install is doing this?


Strange this happened a few days ago on one of the slower test systems...
My only choice was to reboot and start all over again..
and it worked the 2nd time..

Just tried 4 times here and each time it seems to do everything including all of the updates (centos)..
then just goes to a login prompt.. (I'm positive it's re formatting the hard drive during the install.
I've also tried other install media..

rebooting just comes back to login again.. it somehow installed having not prompted for anything and it set a root password.

Tried two computers total of 5 times this evening same result.
It's almost as if some web resource is down and the install is bailing and doing some other default action along with setting up
a password for root on it's own.

everything seems to install and just goes to a login prompt never having asked for anything like it normally does
where it asks for your node number/pass and callsign.

Centos's LiveCD root password 12qwaszx does not work.


Thanks!!
Steve




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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 05:09:42 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:09:42 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this before?
 anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B06240A.7010806@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4B06240A.7010806@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B062496.6050608@michiganbroadband.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Anyone seen this before? anyone know the Centos default root password?
>
>   
>> Meanwhile I'm going to try this on a 3Ghz all Intel much faster and see 
>> if the radio drop outs are indeed gone or if they're all still there
>> and if in the same way or different...
>>     
>
> Or not... just tried installing ACID on two different *new* systems..
> On both systems it goes and does everything updates & all..
> I think it even compiles asterisk.. or sor sure at least starts into that process..
>
> There's some sort of 'error right before it goes to the login screen but goes by in less than 1/2 second..
> Hitting shit+pageup shows some scrollback but not the error..
>
>
> Whie instlling ACID It goes straight to a login screen right after install and never EVER prompts for anything at all..
> Anyone know the default root password on ACID if the install is doing this?
>
>
> Strange this happened a few days ago on one of the slower test systems...
> My only choice was to reboot and start all over again..
> and it worked the 2nd time..
>
> Just tried 4 times here and each time it seems to do everything including all of the updates (centos)..
> then just goes to a login prompt.. (I'm positive it's re formatting the hard drive during the install.
> I've also tried other install media..
>
> rebooting just comes back to login again.. it somehow installed having not prompted for anything and it set a root password.
>
> Tried two computers total of 5 times this evening same result.
> It's almost as if some web resource is down and the install is bailing and doing some other default action along with setting up
> a password for root on it's own.
>
> everything seems to install and just goes to a login prompt never having asked for anything like it normally does
> where it asks for your node number/pass and callsign.
>
> Centos's LiveCD root password 12qwaszx does not work.
>
>
> Thanks!!
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>   

I feel like a dork but I'm going to go attempt the install (again) but 
with a video camera trained on the screen
 so I can catch that 1/4 to 1/2 second or error on the screen before it 
jumpts to a login prompt.





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From sales at qrvc.com  Fri Nov 20 05:48:40 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:48:40 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this before?
 anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B062496.6050608@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4B06240A.7010806@michiganbroadband.com>
	<4B062496.6050608@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B062DB8.2020705@qrvc.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Steve Gladden wrote:
>> Anyone seen this before? anyone know the Centos default root password?
>>
>>   
>>> Meanwhile I'm going to try this on a 3Ghz all Intel much faster and see 
>>> if the radio drop outs are indeed gone or if they're all still there
>>> and if in the same way or different...
>>>     
>> Or not... just tried installing ACID on two different *new* systems..
>> On both systems it goes and does everything updates & all..
>> I think it even compiles asterisk.. or sor sure at least starts into that process..
>>
>> There's some sort of 'error right before it goes to the login screen but goes by in less than 1/2 second..
>> Hitting shit+pageup shows some scrollback but not the error..
>>
>>
>> Whie instlling ACID It goes straight to a login screen right after install and never EVER prompts for anything at all..
>> Anyone know the default root password on ACID if the install is doing this?
>>
>>
>> Strange this happened a few days ago on one of the slower test systems...
>> My only choice was to reboot and start all over again..
>> and it worked the 2nd time..
>>
>> Just tried 4 times here and each time it seems to do everything including all of the updates (centos)..
>> then just goes to a login prompt.. (I'm positive it's re formatting the hard drive during the install.
>> I've also tried other install media..
>>
>> rebooting just comes back to login again.. it somehow installed having not prompted for anything and it set a root password.
>>
>> Tried two computers total of 5 times this evening same result.
>> It's almost as if some web resource is down and the install is bailing and doing some other default action along with setting up
>> a password for root on it's own.
>>
>> everything seems to install and just goes to a login prompt never having asked for anything like it normally does
>> where it asks for your node number/pass and callsign.
>>
>> Centos's LiveCD root password 12qwaszx does not work.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!!
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
> 
> I feel like a dork but I'm going to go attempt the install (again) but 
> with a video camera trained on the screen
>  so I can catch that 1/4 to 1/2 second or error on the screen before it 
> jumpts to a login prompt.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
The default password should be 'setup' and there is a log
of the install in /root/acid/acid-install.log.

Steve
WA6ZFT



From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 05:49:53 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:49:53 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this before?
 anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B062496.6050608@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4B06240A.7010806@michiganbroadband.com>
	<4B062496.6050608@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B062E01.5050109@michiganbroadband.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Steve Gladden wrote:
>   
>> Anyone seen this before? anyone know the Centos default root password?
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Meanwhile I'm going to try this on a 3Ghz all Intel much faster and see 
>>> if the radio drop outs are indeed gone or if they're all still there
>>> and if in the same way or different...
>>>     
>>>       
>> Or not... just tried installing ACID on two different *new* systems..
>> On both systems it goes and does everything updates & all..
>> I think it even compiles asterisk.. or sor sure at least starts into that process..
>>
>> There's some sort of 'error right before it goes to the login screen but goes by in less than 1/2 second..
>> Hitting shit+pageup shows some scrollback but not the error..
>>
>>
>> Whie instlling ACID It goes straight to a login screen right after install and never EVER prompts for anything at all..
>> Anyone know the default root password on ACID if the install is doing this?
>>
>>
>> Strange this happened a few days ago on one of the slower test systems...
>> My only choice was to reboot and start all over again..
>> and it worked the 2nd time..
>>
>> Just tried 4 times here and each time it seems to do everything including all of the updates (centos)..
>> then just goes to a login prompt.. (I'm positive it's re formatting the hard drive during the install.
>> I've also tried other install media..
>>
>> rebooting just comes back to login again.. it somehow installed having not prompted for anything and it set a root password.
>>
>> Tried two computers total of 5 times this evening same result.
>> It's almost as if some web resource is down and the install is bailing and doing some other default action along with setting up
>> a password for root on it's own.
>>
>> everything seems to install and just goes to a login prompt never having asked for anything like it normally does
>> where it asks for your node number/pass and callsign.
>>
>> Centos's LiveCD root password 12qwaszx does not work.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!!
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> I feel like a dork but I'm going to go attempt the install (again) but 
> with a video camera trained on the screen
>  so I can catch that 1/4 to 1/2 second or error on the screen before it 
> jumpts to a login prompt.
>
>
>
>
>
>   
Used the video camera to catch the error..
Everything goes fine (all centos updates + downloads) until it tries to 
build asterisk (2nd phase install) and it immediately fails stating we 
don't have the sources for kernel such & such.

I suspect the kernel is being updated somehow in the install but it is 
not updating the source code either to a changed or unavailable Internet 
resource.
Fairly obvious this is what is going on.. for some reason at compile 
time we do not have the kernel source that it's expecting.
This seems to be a completely hands-off install so there no way to stop 
it or go verify what packages are installed or updating etc..
It just fails (in about 1/4 second) and immediately exists the script 
and turns you over to a login prompt with an already unknown set root 
password.


Steve









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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 05:54:04 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:54:04 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this before?
 anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B062DB8.2020705@qrvc.com>
References: <4B06240A.7010806@michiganbroadband.com>
	<4B062496.6050608@michiganbroadband.com>
	<4B062DB8.2020705@qrvc.com>
Message-ID: <4B062EFC.5050002@michiganbroadband.com>

Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Steve Gladden wrote:
>   
>> Steve Gladden wrote:
>>     
>>> Anyone seen this before? anyone know the Centos default root password?
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Meanwhile I'm going to try this on a 3Ghz all Intel much faster and see 
>>>> if the radio drop outs are indeed gone or if they're all still there
>>>> and if in the same way or different...
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Or not... just tried installing ACID on two different *new* systems..
>>> On both systems it goes and does everything updates & all..
>>> I think it even compiles asterisk.. or sor sure at least starts into that process..
>>>
>>> There's some sort of 'error right before it goes to the login screen but goes by in less than 1/2 second..
>>> Hitting shit+pageup shows some scrollback but not the error..
>>>
>>>
>>> Whie instlling ACID It goes straight to a login screen right after install and never EVER prompts for anything at all..
>>> Anyone know the default root password on ACID if the install is doing this?
>>>
>>>
>>> Strange this happened a few days ago on one of the slower test systems...
>>> My only choice was to reboot and start all over again..
>>> and it worked the 2nd time..
>>>
>>> Just tried 4 times here and each time it seems to do everything including all of the updates (centos)..
>>> then just goes to a login prompt.. (I'm positive it's re formatting the hard drive during the install.
>>> I've also tried other install media..
>>>
>>> rebooting just comes back to login again.. it somehow installed having not prompted for anything and it set a root password.
>>>
>>> Tried two computers total of 5 times this evening same result.
>>> It's almost as if some web resource is down and the install is bailing and doing some other default action along with setting up
>>> a password for root on it's own.
>>>
>>> everything seems to install and just goes to a login prompt never having asked for anything like it normally does
>>> where it asks for your node number/pass and callsign.
>>>
>>> Centos's LiveCD root password 12qwaszx does not work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> I feel like a dork but I'm going to go attempt the install (again) but 
>> with a video camera trained on the screen
>>  so I can catch that 1/4 to 1/2 second or error on the screen before it 
>> jumpts to a login prompt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
> The default password should be 'setup' and there is a log
> of the install in /root/acid/acid-install.log.
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
>
>   
Excellent thanks Steve!
I should be able to fix it from here.
For some reason all my install attempts today are doing this..
Don't know if its due to a kernel update during the install or a down 
resource.
I'll be moving away from ACID and doing my own manual install/build 
soon  but I'm still just getting into this and could sure use that 
crutch if it's there ;-)


Steve






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From matt.g4rky at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 20 09:49:41 2009
From: matt.g4rky at googlemail.com (Matt Beasant)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:49:41 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this before?
	anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B062EFC.5050002@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4B06240A.7010806@michiganbroadband.com>
	<4B062496.6050608@michiganbroadband.com> <4B062DB8.2020705@qrvc.com>
	<4B062EFC.5050002@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911200149n7e9f5e86u78ed6222c92000f9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I was trying to build my newest app_rpt node last night and was getting the
exact same problem - this is with a fresh ISO downloaded a few days ago.

Can someone give me a step-by-step to overcome this problem please? I'm not
a Linux guru - but I can get by with most things!

It seems that the Phase1.sh script is quitting early - I've tried manually
running it from the command line but just end up with the login prompt like
Steve.

Any help gratefully appreciated!

Thanks,

Matt
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From kd8b at thebades.net  Fri Nov 20 13:13:08 2009
From: kd8b at thebades.net (Doug Bade)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:13:08 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
Message-ID: <20091120131320.52AD9AEAEB@randymail-a8.g.dreamhost.com>

My reply went to Steve only, I am resending as it may help other folks....

I need to get specifics on the chipset I am refering to....but I have 
run into this stoppage as well and it is hardware related...

Doug
KD8B
>Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:08:31 -0500
>To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>From: Doug Bade <kd8b at thebades.net>
>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this 
>before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>
>There are issues with Centos and new Realtek ethernet chips. The OS 
>invokes the wrong driver with flakey startup as one byproduct. If it 
>does not finish updates and get the scripts for Allstar.. it stops 
>and gives a prompt. I have this happening on ATOM motherboards...as 
>the chipsets have some known issues...
>
>The solution is easy... I use a usb to ethernet adapter to build 
>with that is known compatible and then when all is done add the 
>drivers I need to fix the MB issue.. and pull the usb to etherent...
>
>Alternately on MB's I could.. I used an older PCI Intel Chipset NIC 
>and get around it too...
>
>This may have something to do with it???

Doug



>At 12:07 AM 11/20/2009, you wrote:
>>Anyone seen this before? anyone know the Centos default root password?
>>
>> >Meanwhile I'm going to try this on a 3Ghz all Intel much faster and see
>> >if the radio drop outs are indeed gone or if they're all still there
>> >and if in the same way or different...
>>
>>Or not... just tried installing ACID on two different *new* systems..
>>On both systems it goes and does everything updates & all..
>>I think it even compiles asterisk.. or sor sure at least starts 
>>into that process..
>>
>>There's some sort of 'error right before it goes to the login 
>>screen but goes by in less than 1/2 second..
>>Hitting shit+pageup shows some scrollback but not the error..
>>
>>
>>Whie instlling ACID It goes straight to a login screen right after 
>>install and never EVER prompts for anything at all..
>>Anyone know the default root password on ACID if the install is doing this?
>>
>>
>>Strange this happened a few days ago on one of the slower test systems...
>>My only choice was to reboot and start all over again..
>>and it worked the 2nd time..
>>
>>Just tried 4 times here and each time it seems to do everything 
>>including all of the updates (centos)..
>>then just goes to a login prompt.. (I'm positive it's re formatting 
>>the hard drive during the install.
>>I've also tried other install media..
>>
>>rebooting just comes back to login again.. it somehow installed 
>>having not prompted for anything and it set a root password.
>>
>>Tried two computers total of 5 times this evening same result.
>>It's almost as if some web resource is down and the install is 
>>bailing and doing some other default action along with setting up
>>a password for root on it's own.
>>
>>everything seems to install and just goes to a login prompt never 
>>having asked for anything like it normally does
>>where it asks for your node number/pass and callsign.
>>
>>Centos's LiveCD root password 12qwaszx does not work.
>>
>>
>>Thanks!!
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Fri Nov 20 13:43:36 2009
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:43:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <20091120131320.52AD9AEAEB@randymail-a8.g.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911200839480.9235-100000@goliath.inttek.net>


Hi Doug,

See below....


On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Doug Bade wrote:

> My reply went to Steve only, I am resending as it may help other folks....
> 
> I need to get specifics on the chipset I am refering to....but I have 
> run into this stoppage as well and it is hardware related...
> 
> Doug
> KD8B
> >Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:08:31 -0500
> >To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
> >From: Doug Bade <kd8b at thebades.net>
> >Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this 
> >before? anyone know the centos default root password?
> >
> >There are issues with Centos and new Realtek ethernet chips. The OS 
> >invokes the wrong driver with flakey startup as one byproduct. If it 
> >does not finish updates and get the scripts for Allstar.. it stops 
> >and gives a prompt. I have this happening on ATOM motherboards...as 
> >the chipsets have some known issues...
> >
> >The solution is easy... I use a usb to ethernet adapter to build 
> >with that is known compatible and then when all is done add the 
> >drivers I need to fix the MB issue.. and pull the usb to etherent...
> >
> >Alternately on MB's I could.. I used an older PCI Intel Chipset NIC 
> >and get around it too...
> >
> >This may have something to do with it???
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
<snip>


Yep, I've noticed issues with the relatively old CentOS kernels and recent
hardware, too....I switched to a "hand built" 2.6.30.5 kernel, on CentOS
5.x, and this resolved my problems.
                                                                                                                                                                                             
73, David kb4fxc
                                                                                                                                                                                             




From matt.g4rky at googlemail.com  Fri Nov 20 14:07:41 2009
From: matt.g4rky at googlemail.com (Matt Beasant)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:07:41 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
	before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911200839480.9235-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <20091120131320.52AD9AEAEB@randymail-a8.g.dreamhost.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911200839480.9235-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911200607u32330458l33721c36ef5f6468@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks David and Doug for the info.

But I'm not sure I agree that it is a hardware issue, with the greatest
of respect of course :-)

The machine I am using is a Compaq EVO D510 - I have 6 of these all running
app_rpt. They all installed fine.

This is the only one I had any issues installing the ACID setup on. This was
a reinstall as the HDD died and I fitted a new one and wanted to put app_rpt
on it.

Unless something has changed recently on the ACID distro?

Anyone?

Thanks in advance,

Matt
2009/11/20 David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>

>
> Hi Doug,
>
> See below....
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Doug Bade wrote:
>
> > My reply went to Steve only, I am resending as it may help other
> folks....
> >
> > I need to get specifics on the chipset I am refering to....but I have
> > run into this stoppage as well and it is hardware related...
> >
> > Doug
> > KD8B
> > >Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:08:31 -0500
> > >To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
> > >From: Doug Bade <kd8b at thebades.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this
> > >before? anyone know the centos default root password?
> > >
> > >There are issues with Centos and new Realtek ethernet chips. The OS
> > >invokes the wrong driver with flakey startup as one byproduct. If it
> > >does not finish updates and get the scripts for Allstar.. it stops
> > >and gives a prompt. I have this happening on ATOM motherboards...as
> > >the chipsets have some known issues...
> > >
> > >The solution is easy... I use a usb to ethernet adapter to build
> > >with that is known compatible and then when all is done add the
> > >drivers I need to fix the MB issue.. and pull the usb to etherent...
> > >
> > >Alternately on MB's I could.. I used an older PCI Intel Chipset NIC
> > >and get around it too...
> > >
> > >This may have something to do with it???
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> <snip>
>
>
> Yep, I've noticed issues with the relatively old CentOS kernels and recent
> hardware, too....I switched to a "hand built" 2.6.30.5 kernel, on CentOS
> 5.x, and this resolved my problems.
>
> 73, David kb4fxc
>
>
>
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From sales at qrvc.com  Fri Nov 20 14:48:12 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:48:12 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <ff95e2ea0911200607u32330458l33721c36ef5f6468@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091120131320.52AD9AEAEB@randymail-a8.g.dreamhost.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911200839480.9235-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
	<ff95e2ea0911200607u32330458l33721c36ef5f6468@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B06AC2C.2090706@qrvc.com>

Matt Beasant wrote:
> Thanks David and Doug for the info.
> 
> But I'm not sure I agree that it is a hardware issue, with the greatest
> of respect of course :-)
> 
> The machine I am using is a Compaq EVO D510 - I have 6 of these all running
> app_rpt. They all installed fine.
> 
> This is the only one I had any issues installing the ACID setup on. This was
> a reinstall as the HDD died and I fitted a new one and wanted to put app_rpt
> on it.
> 
> Unless something has changed recently on the ACID distro?
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Matt
> 2009/11/20 David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
> 
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> See below....
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Doug Bade wrote:
>>
>>> My reply went to Steve only, I am resending as it may help other
>> folks....
>>> I need to get specifics on the chipset I am refering to....but I have
>>> run into this stoppage as well and it is hardware related...
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> KD8B
>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:08:31 -0500
>>>> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>>>> From: Doug Bade <kd8b at thebades.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this
>>>> before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>>>>
>>>> There are issues with Centos and new Realtek ethernet chips. The OS
>>>> invokes the wrong driver with flakey startup as one byproduct. If it
>>>> does not finish updates and get the scripts for Allstar.. it stops
>>>> and gives a prompt. I have this happening on ATOM motherboards...as
>>>> the chipsets have some known issues...
>>>>
>>>> The solution is easy... I use a usb to ethernet adapter to build
>>>> with that is known compatible and then when all is done add the
>>>> drivers I need to fix the MB issue.. and pull the usb to etherent...
>>>>
>>>> Alternately on MB's I could.. I used an older PCI Intel Chipset NIC
>>>> and get around it too...
>>>>
>>>> This may have something to do with it???
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>> Yep, I've noticed issues with the relatively old CentOS kernels and recent
>> hardware, too....I switched to a "hand built" 2.6.30.5 kernel, on CentOS
>> 5.x, and this resolved my problems.
>>
>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
> 
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Log in to the failed setup and look at the log file, and then post where it failed:

The default password should be 'setup' and there is a log
of the install in /root/acid/acid-install.log.

Compare notes with the rest of the users having issues.


Steve
WA6ZFT


From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 19:37:38 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:37:38 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <20091120131320.52AD9AEAEB@randymail-a8.g.dreamhost.com>
References: <20091120131320.52AD9AEAEB@randymail-a8.g.dreamhost.com>
Message-ID: <4B06F002.60103@michiganbroadband.com>

Doug Bade wrote:
> My reply went to Steve only, I am resending as it may help other folks....
>
> I need to get specifics on the chipset I am refering to....but I have 
> run into this stoppage as well and it is hardware related...
>
> Doug
> KD8B
>   
>> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:08:31 -0500
>> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>> From: Doug Bade <kd8b at thebades.net>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this 
>> before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>>
>> There are issues with Centos and new Realtek ethernet chips. The OS 
>> invokes the wrong driver with flakey startup as one byproduct. If it 
>> does not finish updates and get the scripts for Allstar.. it stops 
>> and gives a prompt. I have this happening on ATOM motherboards...as 
>> the chipsets have some known issues...
>>
>> The solution is easy... I use a usb to ethernet adapter to build 
>> with that is known compatible and then when all is done add the 
>> drivers I need to fix the MB issue.. and pull the usb to etherent...
>>
>> Alternately on MB's I could.. I used an older PCI Intel Chipset NIC 
>> and get around it too...
>>
>> This may have something to do with it???
>>     
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>   
>> At 12:07 AM 11/20/2009, you wrote:
>>     
>>> Anyone seen this before? anyone know the Centos default root password?
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Meanwhile I'm going to try this on a 3Ghz all Intel much faster and see
>>>> if the radio drop outs are indeed gone or if they're all still there
>>>> and if in the same way or different...
>>>>         
>>> Or not... just tried installing ACID on two different *new* systems..
>>> On both systems it goes and does everything updates & all..
>>> I think it even compiles asterisk.. or sor sure at least starts 
>>> into that process..
>>>
>>> There's some sort of 'error right before it goes to the login 
>>> screen but goes by in less than 1/2 second..
>>> Hitting shit+pageup shows some scrollback but not the error..
>>>
>>>
>>> Whie instlling ACID It goes straight to a login screen right after 
>>> install and never EVER prompts for anything at all..
>>> Anyone know the default root password on ACID if the install is doing this?
>>>
>>>
>>> Strange this happened a few days ago on one of the slower test systems...
>>> My only choice was to reboot and start all over again..
>>> and it worked the 2nd time..
>>>
>>> Just tried 4 times here and each time it seems to do everything 
>>> including all of the updates (centos)..
>>> then just goes to a login prompt.. (I'm positive it's re formatting 
>>> the hard drive during the install.
>>> I've also tried other install media..
>>>
>>> rebooting just comes back to login again.. it somehow installed 
>>> having not prompted for anything and it set a root password.
>>>
>>> Tried two computers total of 5 times this evening same result.
>>> It's almost as if some web resource is down and the install is 
>>> bailing and doing some other default action along with setting up
>>> a password for root on it's own.
>>>
>>> everything seems to install and just goes to a login prompt never 
>>> having asked for anything like it normally does
>>> where it asks for your node number/pass and callsign.
>>>
>>> Centos's LiveCD root password 12qwaszx does not work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Hi Doug thanks for the info but nope it's certainly not that issue here :-)
I've also tried multiple computers/ethernet cards yesterday and had the 
problem throughout..


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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 19:40:47 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:40:47 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911200839480.9235-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911200839480.9235-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <4B06F0BF.3070107@michiganbroadband.com>

David McGough wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> See below....
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Doug Bade wrote:
>
>   
>> My reply went to Steve only, I am resending as it may help other folks....
>>
>> I need to get specifics on the chipset I am refering to....but I have 
>> run into this stoppage as well and it is hardware related...
>>
>> Doug
>> KD8B
>>     
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:08:31 -0500
>>> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>>> From: Doug Bade <kd8b at thebades.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this 
>>> before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>>>
>>> There are issues with Centos and new Realtek ethernet chips. The OS 
>>> invokes the wrong driver with flakey startup as one byproduct. If it 
>>> does not finish updates and get the scripts for Allstar.. it stops 
>>> and gives a prompt. I have this happening on ATOM motherboards...as 
>>> the chipsets have some known issues...
>>>
>>> The solution is easy... I use a usb to ethernet adapter to build 
>>> with that is known compatible and then when all is done add the 
>>> drivers I need to fix the MB issue.. and pull the usb to etherent...
>>>
>>> Alternately on MB's I could.. I used an older PCI Intel Chipset NIC 
>>> and get around it too...
>>>
>>> This may have something to do with it???
>>>       
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>     
> <snip>
>
>
> Yep, I've noticed issues with the relatively old CentOS kernels and recent
> hardware, too....I switched to a "hand built" 2.6.30.5 kernel, on CentOS
> 5.x, and this resolved my problems.
>                                                                                                                                                                                              
> 73, David kb4fxc
>                                                                                                                                                                                              
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
>   
I'm trying to go with the hand built kernel now to get around this..
+ I wanted to build a kernel anyway..
Not done it in awhile and it shows..

I've been unable to make a kernel so far that wil mount the existing 
installation..
Even though I've been sure to include the IDE/Sata and ext2/3/4 in the 
kernel.



I'm a little new with udev and all this new stuff from the last 5 years..
Might be why it's not working yet.



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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 19:54:36 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:54:36 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B06AC2C.2090706@qrvc.com>
References: <20091120131320.52AD9AEAEB@randymail-a8.g.dreamhost.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911200839480.9235-100000@goliath.inttek.net>	<ff95e2ea0911200607u32330458l33721c36ef5f6468@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B06AC2C.2090706@qrvc.com>
Message-ID: <4B06F3FC.80003@michiganbroadband.com>

Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Matt Beasant wrote:
>   
>> Thanks David and Doug for the info.
>>
>> But I'm not sure I agree that it is a hardware issue, with the greatest
>> of respect of course :-)
>>
>> The machine I am using is a Compaq EVO D510 - I have 6 of these all running
>> app_rpt. They all installed fine.
>>
>> This is the only one I had any issues installing the ACID setup on. This was
>> a reinstall as the HDD died and I fitted a new one and wanted to put app_rpt
>> on it.
>>
>> Unless something has changed recently on the ACID distro?
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Matt
>> 2009/11/20 David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Doug,
>>>
>>> See below....
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Doug Bade wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> My reply went to Steve only, I am resending as it may help other
>>>>         
>>> folks....
>>>       
>>>> I need to get specifics on the chipset I am refering to....but I have
>>>> run into this stoppage as well and it is hardware related...
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>> KD8B
>>>>         
>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:08:31 -0500
>>>>> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>>>>> From: Doug Bade <kd8b at thebades.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this
>>>>> before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are issues with Centos and new Realtek ethernet chips. The OS
>>>>> invokes the wrong driver with flakey startup as one byproduct. If it
>>>>> does not finish updates and get the scripts for Allstar.. it stops
>>>>> and gives a prompt. I have this happening on ATOM motherboards...as
>>>>> the chipsets have some known issues...
>>>>>
>>>>> The solution is easy... I use a usb to ethernet adapter to build
>>>>> with that is known compatible and then when all is done add the
>>>>> drivers I need to fix the MB issue.. and pull the usb to etherent...
>>>>>
>>>>> Alternately on MB's I could.. I used an older PCI Intel Chipset NIC
>>>>> and get around it too...
>>>>>
>>>>> This may have something to do with it???
>>>>>           
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, I've noticed issues with the relatively old CentOS kernels and recent
>>> hardware, too....I switched to a "hand built" 2.6.30.5 kernel, on CentOS
>>> 5.x, and this resolved my problems.
>>>
>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>
>>>       
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>     
>
>
> Log in to the failed setup and look at the log file, and then post where it failed:
>
> The default password should be 'setup' and there is a log
> of the install in /root/acid/acid-install.log.
>
> Compare notes with the rest of the users having issues.
>
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
>   
Just as per request and for comparing notes..
Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:


make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o 
mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
Generating input for menuselect ...
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the 
2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE 
kernel installed.
exit 1
make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
make: *** [all] Error 2
Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
[root at test rc.d]#






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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 19:58:06 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:58:06 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B06F3FC.80003@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <20091120131320.52AD9AEAEB@randymail-a8.g.dreamhost.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0911200839480.9235-100000@goliath.inttek.net>	<ff95e2ea0911200607u32330458l33721c36ef5f6468@mail.gmail.com>	<4B06AC2C.2090706@qrvc.com>
	<4B06F3FC.80003@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B06F4CE.5040206@michiganbroadband.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
>   
>> Matt Beasant wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Thanks David and Doug for the info.
>>>
>>> But I'm not sure I agree that it is a hardware issue, with the greatest
>>> of respect of course :-)
>>>
>>> The machine I am using is a Compaq EVO D510 - I have 6 of these all running
>>> app_rpt. They all installed fine.
>>>
>>> This is the only one I had any issues installing the ACID setup on. This was
>>> a reinstall as the HDD died and I fitted a new one and wanted to put app_rpt
>>> on it.
>>>
>>> Unless something has changed recently on the ACID distro?
>>>
>>> Anyone?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Matt
>>> 2009/11/20 David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Hi Doug,
>>>>
>>>> See below....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Doug Bade wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> My reply went to Steve only, I am resending as it may help other
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> folks....
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> I need to get specifics on the chipset I am refering to....but I have
>>>>> run into this stoppage as well and it is hardware related...
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>> KD8B
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:08:31 -0500
>>>>>> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>>>>>> From: Doug Bade <kd8b at thebades.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] ACID install issue anyone seen this
>>>>>> before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are issues with Centos and new Realtek ethernet chips. The OS
>>>>>> invokes the wrong driver with flakey startup as one byproduct. If it
>>>>>> does not finish updates and get the scripts for Allstar.. it stops
>>>>>> and gives a prompt. I have this happening on ATOM motherboards...as
>>>>>> the chipsets have some known issues...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The solution is easy... I use a usb to ethernet adapter to build
>>>>>> with that is known compatible and then when all is done add the
>>>>>> drivers I need to fix the MB issue.. and pull the usb to etherent...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alternately on MB's I could.. I used an older PCI Intel Chipset NIC
>>>>>> and get around it too...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This may have something to do with it???
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, I've noticed issues with the relatively old CentOS kernels and recent
>>>> hardware, too....I switched to a "hand built" 2.6.30.5 kernel, on CentOS
>>>> 5.x, and this resolved my problems.
>>>>
>>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>     
>>>       
>> Log in to the failed setup and look at the log file, and then post where it failed:
>>
>> The default password should be 'setup' and there is a log
>> of the install in /root/acid/acid-install.log.
>>
>> Compare notes with the rest of the users having issues.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>>   
>>     
> Just as per request and for comparing notes..
> Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
> manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:
>
>
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
> gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o 
> mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
> Generating input for menuselect ...
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
> echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the 
> 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
> You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE 
> kernel installed.
> exit 1
> make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
> make: *** [all] Error 2
> Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
> Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
> [root at test rc.d]#
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   
Whoops I forgot to include what was actually requested... this:
 tail acid-install.log
Thu Nov 19 22:19:10 PST 2009:Getting files.tar.gz from 
http://dl.allstarlink.org...
Thu Nov 19 22:19:21 PST 2009:Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
Fri Nov 20 10:47:21 PST 2009:****** Phase 2 post install ******
Fri Nov 20 10:47:22 PST 2009:Getting asterisk install script from 
http://dl.allstarlink.org...
Fri Nov 20 10:47:22 PST 2009:Getting files.tar.gz from 
http://dl.allstarlink.org...
Fri Nov 20 10:47:40 PST 2009:Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
Fri Nov 20 11:52:47 PST 2009:****** Phase 2 post install ******
Fri Nov 20 11:52:48 PST 2009:Getting asterisk install script from 
http://dl.allstarlink.org...
Fri Nov 20 11:52:49 PST 2009:Getting files.tar.gz from 
http://dl.allstarlink.org...
Fri Nov 20 11:53:02 PST 2009:Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!






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From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Fri Nov 20 20:33:29 2009
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:33:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B06F3FC.80003@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911201522070.935-100000@goliath.inttek.net>


On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
<snip>
> Just as per request and for comparing notes..
> Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
> manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:
> 
> 
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
> gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o 
> mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
> Generating input for menuselect ...
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
> echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the 
> 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
> You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE 
> kernel installed.
> exit 1
> make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
> make: *** [all] Error 2
> Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
> Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
> [root at test rc.d]#
> 
> 
> 


Hi Steve,
                                                                                                                                                            
Yes, I had the same problem that the kernel source code wasn't installed
when I did an ACID install a few months ago. But, this is easy to fix.
>From a root prompt, just install the package using yum....A command like:
                                                                                                                                                            
        yum install kernel-PAE-devel.i686
                                                                                                                                                            
Also, I'll upload my "cooked" 2.6.30.5 kernel tonight and send you a link. 
It should be easy enough to install...
                                                                                                                                                            
BTW, I seem to remember needing some other packages, too....But, I don't
recall which at the moment.


                                                                                                                                                            
73, David kb4fxc
                                                                                                                                                            




From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 21:05:02 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:05:02 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911201522070.935-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911201522070.935-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <4B07047E.40404@michiganbroadband.com>

David McGough wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
> <snip>
>   
>> Just as per request and for comparing notes..
>> Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
>> manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:
>>
>>
>> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
>> gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o 
>> mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
>> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>> Generating input for menuselect ...
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>> echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the 
>> 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
>> You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE 
>> kernel installed.
>> exit 1
>> make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>> make: *** [all] Error 2
>> Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
>> Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
>> [root at test rc.d]#
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>                                                                                                                                                             
> Yes, I had the same problem that the kernel source code wasn't installed
> when I did an ACID install a few months ago. But, this is easy to fix.
> >From a root prompt, just install the package using yum....A command like:
>                                                                                                                                                             
>         yum install kernel-PAE-devel.i686
>                                                                                                                                                             
> Also, I'll upload my "cooked" 2.6.30.5 kernel tonight and send you a link. 
> It should be easy enough to install...
>                                                                                                                                                             
> BTW, I seem to remember needing some other packages, too....But, I don't
> recall which at the moment.
>
>
>                                                                                                                                                             
> 73, David kb4fxc
>                                                                                                                                                             
>
>
>
>   
Thanks David!
What CPU is it optimized for?

I'm testting on Pentium-2s Pentium-3s Intel Q6700s and a newer Xeon this 
weekend.









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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Fri Nov 20 21:14:50 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:14:50 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911201522070.935-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911201522070.935-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <4B0706CA.2050600@michiganbroadband.com>

David McGough wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
> <snip>
>   
>> Just as per request and for comparing notes..
>> Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
>> manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:
>>
>>
>> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
>> gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o 
>> mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
>> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>> Generating input for menuselect ...
>> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>> echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the 
>> 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
>> You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE 
>> kernel installed.
>> exit 1
>> make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>> make: *** [all] Error 2
>> Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
>> Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
>> [root at test rc.d]#
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>                                                                                                                                                             
> Yes, I had the same problem that the kernel source code wasn't installed
> when I did an ACID install a few months ago. But, this is easy to fix.
> >From a root prompt, just install the package using yum....A command like:
>                                                                                                                                                             
>         yum install kernel-PAE-devel.i686
>                                                                                                                                                             
> Also, I'll upload my "cooked" 2.6.30.5 kernel tonight and send you a link. 
> It should be easy enough to install...
>                                                                                                                                                             
> BTW, I seem to remember needing some other packages, too....But, I don't
> recall which at the moment.
>
>
>                                                                                                                                                             
> 73, David kb4fxc
>                                                                                                                                                             
>
>
>
>   
Way off topic but here's what I'm working on at the moment:
I'm trying to roll a few of my own kernels 


      (2.6.31.6)
      <http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.31.6.tar.bz2>

but keep tripping over myself somehow..
Far as I can tell I have included everything I should need for drives 
and filesystem support yet it won't mount the filesystem.
Having same issue on two systems I tried to make my own kernel for.
I should be able to figure this out.
Don't want to hijack the topic too badly ;-)

One system is the P3 450Mhz box with plain old IDE hard drive.

Other system is Intel Q6700 (2.67Ghz) with NVIDIA SATA (I specifically 
enabled this in kernel tried it with & without it compiled in (generic 
IDE)).
Also having same problem on older IDE only system.
I have to be missing something really basic.
And of course the centos stock kernels are working fine..

Mounting root filesystem. mount: could not find filesystem '/dev/root' 
Setting up other filesystems.
 Setting up new root fs setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or 
directory
 no fstab.sys, mounting internal defaults setuproot: error mounting 
/proc: No such file or directory
 setuproot: error mounting /sys: No such file or directory
 Switching to new root and running init. unmounting old /dev unmounting 
old /proc unmounting old /sys switchroot:
 mount failed: No such file or directory Kernel panic - not syncing: 
Attempted to kill init!













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From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Fri Nov 20 22:00:02 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
	before? anyone know the centos default root password?
Message-ID: <20091120220002.SHAH13868.dukecmfep05.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo02.coxmail.com>


> 
> From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
> Date: 2009/11/20 Fri PM 12:33:29 PST
> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
> CC: sales at qrvc.com,  app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
>  before? anyone know the centos default root password?
> 
> 
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
> <snip>
> > Just as per request and for comparing notes..
> > Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
> > manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:
> > 
> > 
> > make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
> > gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o 
> > mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
> > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
> > Generating input for menuselect ...
> > make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
> > echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the 
> > 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
> > You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE 
> > kernel installed.
> > exit 1
> > make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
> > make: *** [all] Error 2
> > Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
> > Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
> > [root at test rc.d]#
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Hi Steve,
>                                                                                                                                                             
> Yes, I had the same problem that the kernel source code wasn't installed
> when I did an ACID install a few months ago. But, this is easy to fix.
> From a root prompt, just install the package using yum....A command like:
>                                                                                                                                                             
>         yum install kernel-PAE-devel.i686
>                                                                                                                                                             
> Also, I'll upload my "cooked" 2.6.30.5 kernel tonight and send you a link. 
> It should be easy enough to install...
>                                                                                                                                                             
> BTW, I seem to remember needing some other packages, too....But, I don't
> recall which at the moment.
> 
> 
>                                                                                                                                                             
> 73, David kb4fxc
>                                                                                                                                                             
> 
> 
> 

I'm still at work, so I have to make this brief. 

It would be nice to know if a 'yum install kernel-PAE-devel'
allows phase2.sh to run to completion successfully.


Steve
WA6ZFT




From ke2n at cs.com  Fri Nov 20 22:59:10 2009
From: ke2n at cs.com (Ken)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:59:10 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] CM-109?
Message-ID: <001101ca6a35$1287a190$3796e4b0$@com>

Greetings from a total newbie here

Before hacking the USB fob I have here, does anyone know if the CM-109
works?

The fob I bought was advertized as 108 but in fact has a 109 inside it.

The '109 just seems like a slightly fancier '108.

 

WWW dot  

cmedia.com.tw/usb_cm108.html

cmedia.com.tw/usb_cm109.html

 

Looking at the data sheets of each one these, the functional block diagrams
are the same. 

On the software side, the  product ID is 008 instead of 138

 

 

Thanks

Ken

KE2N

 

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From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Sat Nov 21 02:13:27 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:13:27 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911201841310.24059@iridium7>
References: <20091120220002.SHAH13868.dukecmfep05.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo02.coxmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0911201841310.24059@iridium7>
Message-ID: <4B074CC7.4080609@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com wrote:
> 
>>
>>>
>>> From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
>>> Date: 2009/11/20 Fri PM 12:33:29 PST
>>> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>>> CC: sales at qrvc.com,  app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen
>>> this
>>>  before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Just as per request and for comparing notes..
>>>> Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
>>>> manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
>>>> gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o
>>>> mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
>>>> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>>>> Generating input for menuselect ...
>>>> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>>>> echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the
>>>> 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
>>>> You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE
>>>> kernel installed.
>>>> exit 1
>>>> make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>>>> make: *** [all] Error 2
>>>> Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
>>>> Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
>>>> [root at test rc.d]#
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Yes, I had the same problem that the kernel source code wasn't installed
>>> when I did an ACID install a few months ago. But, this is easy to fix.
>>> From a root prompt, just install the package using yum....A command
>>> like:
>>>
>>>         yum install kernel-PAE-devel.i686
>>>
>>> Also, I'll upload my "cooked" 2.6.30.5 kernel tonight and send you a
>>> link.
>>> It should be easy enough to install...
>>>
>>> BTW, I seem to remember needing some other packages, too....But, I don't
>>> recall which at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm still at work, so I have to make this brief.
>>
>> It would be nice to know if a 'yum install kernel-PAE-devel'
>> allows phase2.sh to run to completion successfully.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Steve.. it certainly does work (manually using yum to grab the changed
> source).
> 
> Brought it up on the Quad core Intel system New (NVidia Motherboard).
> 
> It's working... and just like you said.. still audio dropouts here & there.
> All of the 4 cores is at less than 1% utilization.
> I'm pretty sure asterisk only uses one core.
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Let's stay focused on the install failure as the audio dropout issue will require input from Jim Dixon, or Steve Henke.
I'm not familiar with the chan_usbradio/xpmr channel driver workings.

I just did a fresh acid install and it did not select the PAE (Physical Address Extension) kernel and the install
completed without any intervention required. `uname -r` issued installed after install is complete shows it is not a PAE
kernel.

I need to find a sure-fire way to detect the selection of a PAE kernel to use to select the kernel-PAE-devel or
kernel-devel RPM during the execution of phase1.sh. When you do a uname -r | grep PAE, immediately after a failed
install, are the characters PAE printed? If so, I could possibly use `uname -r | grep PAE` to detect when the PAE kernel
gets selected at install. Note that this will require you to do yet another install!

Steve
WA6ZFT




From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Sat Nov 21 02:50:40 2009
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:50:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B074CC7.4080609@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911202144050.18323-100000@goliath.inttek.net>




On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Stephen Rodgers wrote:

<snip>
> > Steve.. it certainly does work (manually using yum to grab the changed
> > source).
> > 
> > Brought it up on the Quad core Intel system New (NVidia Motherboard).
> > 
> > It's working... and just like you said.. still audio dropouts here & there.
> > All of the 4 cores is at less than 1% utilization.
> > I'm pretty sure asterisk only uses one core.
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Let's stay focused on the install failure as the audio dropout issue will require input from Jim Dixon, or Steve Henke.
> I'm not familiar with the chan_usbradio/xpmr channel driver workings.
> 
> I just did a fresh acid install and it did not select the PAE (Physical Address Extension) kernel and the install
> completed without any intervention required. `uname -r` issued installed after install is complete shows it is not a PAE
> kernel.
> 
> I need to find a sure-fire way to detect the selection of a PAE kernel to use to select the kernel-PAE-devel or
> kernel-devel RPM during the execution of phase1.sh. When you do a uname -r | grep PAE, immediately after a failed
> install, are the characters PAE printed? If so, I could possibly use `uname -r | grep PAE` to detect when the PAE kernel
> gets selected at install. Note that this will require you to do yet another install!
> 
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
> 
> 

Hi Steve,

A command like: "cat /proc/version" will tell you exactly which kernel is
running. And, other interesting info about the system can be obtained with
a "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ...Then, as you suggest above, use grep, etc., to
filter for specifics.....Of course, I guess "uname -r"  works, too.

73, David kb4fxc




From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Sat Nov 21 02:58:13 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:58:13 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911202144050.18323-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0911202144050.18323-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <4B075745.9060107@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>

David McGough wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> 
> <snip>
>>> Steve.. it certainly does work (manually using yum to grab the changed
>>> source).
>>>
>>> Brought it up on the Quad core Intel system New (NVidia Motherboard).
>>>
>>> It's working... and just like you said.. still audio dropouts here & there.
>>> All of the 4 cores is at less than 1% utilization.
>>> I'm pretty sure asterisk only uses one core.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Let's stay focused on the install failure as the audio dropout issue will require input from Jim Dixon, or Steve Henke.
>> I'm not familiar with the chan_usbradio/xpmr channel driver workings.
>>
>> I just did a fresh acid install and it did not select the PAE (Physical Address Extension) kernel and the install
>> completed without any intervention required. `uname -r` issued installed after install is complete shows it is not a PAE
>> kernel.
>>
>> I need to find a sure-fire way to detect the selection of a PAE kernel to use to select the kernel-PAE-devel or
>> kernel-devel RPM during the execution of phase1.sh. When you do a uname -r | grep PAE, immediately after a failed
>> install, are the characters PAE printed? If so, I could possibly use `uname -r | grep PAE` to detect when the PAE kernel
>> gets selected at install. Note that this will require you to do yet another install!
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>>
>>
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> A command like: "cat /proc/version" will tell you exactly which kernel is
> running. And, other interesting info about the system can be obtained with
> a "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ...Then, as you suggest above, use grep, etc., to
> filter for specifics.....Of course, I guess "uname -r"  works, too.
> 
> 73, David kb4fxc
> 
> 
> 

Do you you have one of those systems with a PAE kernel selected? If so, it would be helpful post the unfiltered `uname
-r` output from your system to the list.

Steve
WA6ZFT




From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Sat Nov 21 05:16:44 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:16:44 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0911201841310.24059@iridium7>
References: <20091120220002.SHAH13868.dukecmfep05.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo02.coxmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0911201841310.24059@iridium7>
Message-ID: <4B0777BC.6060103@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com wrote:
> 
>>
>>>
>>> From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
>>> Date: 2009/11/20 Fri PM 12:33:29 PST
>>> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>>> CC: sales at qrvc.com,  app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen
>>> this
>>>  before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Just as per request and for comparing notes..
>>>> Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
>>>> manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
>>>> gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o
>>>> mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
>>>> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>>>> Generating input for menuselect ...
>>>> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>>>> echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the
>>>> 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
>>>> You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE
>>>> kernel installed.
>>>> exit 1
>>>> make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>>>> make: *** [all] Error 2
>>>> Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
>>>> Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
>>>> [root at test rc.d]#
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Yes, I had the same problem that the kernel source code wasn't installed
>>> when I did an ACID install a few months ago. But, this is easy to fix.
>>> From a root prompt, just install the package using yum....A command
>>> like:
>>>
>>>         yum install kernel-PAE-devel.i686
>>>
>>> Also, I'll upload my "cooked" 2.6.30.5 kernel tonight and send you a
>>> link.
>>> It should be easy enough to install...
>>>
>>> BTW, I seem to remember needing some other packages, too....But, I don't
>>> recall which at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm still at work, so I have to make this brief.
>>
>> It would be nice to know if a 'yum install kernel-PAE-devel'
>> allows phase2.sh to run to completion successfully.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Steve.. it certainly does work (manually using yum to grab the changed
> source).
> 
> Brought it up on the Quad core Intel system New (NVidia Motherboard).
> 
> It's working... and just like you said.. still audio dropouts here & there.
> All of the 4 cores is at less than 1% utilization.
> I'm pretty sure asterisk only uses one core.
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
I made a change to the phase1.sh script to do the 'uname -r | grep PAE' and the install runs to completion on a non-PAE
system. This script change has been uploaded to dl.allstarlink.org/installcd. Try re-installing from scratch on a PAE
system and tell me if it works or not.

Steve
WA6ZFT


From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Sat Nov 21 11:07:15 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:07:15 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B0777BC.6060103@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
References: <20091120220002.SHAH13868.dukecmfep05.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo02.coxmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0911201841310.24059@iridium7>
	<4B0777BC.6060103@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B07C9E3.7010004@michiganbroadband.com>

Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Steve Gladden wrote:
>   
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com wrote:
>>
>>     
>>>> From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
>>>> Date: 2009/11/20 Fri PM 12:33:29 PST
>>>> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>>>> CC: sales at qrvc.com,  app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen
>>>> this
>>>>  before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>         
>>>>> Just as per request and for comparing notes..
>>>>> Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
>>>>> manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
>>>>> gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o
>>>>> mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
>>>>> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>>>>> Generating input for menuselect ...
>>>>> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>>>>> echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the
>>>>> 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
>>>>> You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE
>>>>> kernel installed.
>>>>> exit 1
>>>>> make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
>>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>>>>> make: *** [all] Error 2
>>>>> Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
>>>>> Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
>>>>> [root at test rc.d]#
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I had the same problem that the kernel source code wasn't installed
>>>> when I did an ACID install a few months ago. But, this is easy to fix.
>>>> From a root prompt, just install the package using yum....A command
>>>> like:
>>>>
>>>>         yum install kernel-PAE-devel.i686
>>>>
>>>> Also, I'll upload my "cooked" 2.6.30.5 kernel tonight and send you a
>>>> link.
>>>> It should be easy enough to install...
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I seem to remember needing some other packages, too....But, I don't
>>>> recall which at the moment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> I'm still at work, so I have to make this brief.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to know if a 'yum install kernel-PAE-devel'
>>> allows phase2.sh to run to completion successfully.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> WA6ZFT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Steve.. it certainly does work (manually using yum to grab the changed
>> source).
>>
>> Brought it up on the Quad core Intel system New (NVidia Motherboard).
>>
>> It's working... and just like you said.. still audio dropouts here & there.
>> All of the 4 cores is at less than 1% utilization.
>> I'm pretty sure asterisk only uses one core.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
> I made a change to the phase1.sh script to do the 'uname -r | grep PAE' and the install runs to completion on a non-PAE
> system. This script change has been uploaded to dl.allstarlink.org/installcd. Try re-installing from scratch on a PAE
> system and tell me if it works or not.
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
>   
The install from scratch worked great on the PAE capable machine.
Also in paying more attention to the install process the PAE kernel was 
installed to begin with (from the CD).
This will probably happen on any machine that has 4GB or ore ram installed.
Looks like you got it fixed!






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From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Sat Nov 21 15:46:58 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:46:58 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen this
 before? anyone know the centos default root password?
In-Reply-To: <4B07C9E3.7010004@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <20091120220002.SHAH13868.dukecmfep05.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo02.coxmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0911201841310.24059@iridium7>
	<4B0777BC.6060103@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
	<4B07C9E3.7010004@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B080B72.1040502@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
>> Steve Gladden wrote:
>>  
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>>> From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
>>>>> Date: 2009/11/20 Fri PM 12:33:29 PST
>>>>> To: Steve Gladden <steve at michiganbroadband.com>
>>>>> CC: sales at qrvc.com,  app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: ACID install issue anyone seen
>>>>> this
>>>>>  before? anyone know the centos default root password?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>        
>>>>>> Just as per request and for comparing notes..
>>>>>> Digging in deeper reveals the no sources error
>>>>>> manually launching phase2 gies a little more detail:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect/mxml'
>>>>>> gcc -o menuselect menuselect.o strcompat.o menuselect_curses.o
>>>>>> mxml/libmxml.a mxml/libmxml.a -lncurses
>>>>>> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>>>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel/menuselect'
>>>>>> Generating input for menuselect ...
>>>>>> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>>>>>> echo "You do not appear to have the sources for the
>>>>>> 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE kernel installed."
>>>>>> You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5PAE
>>>>>> kernel installed.
>>>>>> exit 1
>>>>>> make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1
>>>>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel'
>>>>>> make: *** [all] Error 2
>>>>>> Failure: Unable to compile Zaptel 2
>>>>>> Fatal error: Unable to install Asterisk!
>>>>>> [root at test rc.d]#
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I had the same problem that the kernel source code wasn't
>>>>> installed
>>>>> when I did an ACID install a few months ago. But, this is easy to fix.
>>>>> From a root prompt, just install the package using yum....A command
>>>>> like:
>>>>>
>>>>>         yum install kernel-PAE-devel.i686
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I'll upload my "cooked" 2.6.30.5 kernel tonight and send you a
>>>>> link.
>>>>> It should be easy enough to install...
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, I seem to remember needing some other packages, too....But, I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> recall which at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, David kb4fxc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>> I'm still at work, so I have to make this brief.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice to know if a 'yum install kernel-PAE-devel'
>>>> allows phase2.sh to run to completion successfully.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> WA6ZFT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> Steve.. it certainly does work (manually using yum to grab the changed
>>> source).
>>>
>>> Brought it up on the Quad core Intel system New (NVidia Motherboard).
>>>
>>> It's working... and just like you said.. still audio dropouts here &
>>> there.
>>> All of the 4 cores is at less than 1% utilization.
>>> I'm pretty sure asterisk only uses one core.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>> I made a change to the phase1.sh script to do the 'uname -r | grep
>> PAE' and the install runs to completion on a non-PAE
>> system. This script change has been uploaded to
>> dl.allstarlink.org/installcd. Try re-installing from scratch on a PAE
>> system and tell me if it works or not.
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>>   
> The install from scratch worked great on the PAE capable machine.
> Also in paying more attention to the install process the PAE kernel was
> installed to begin with (from the CD).
> This will probably happen on any machine that has 4GB or ore ram installed.
> Looks like you got it fixed!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Thanks for testing this!

Steve
WA6ZFT



From g4rky at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Nov 21 20:26:28 2009
From: g4rky at yahoo.co.uk (Matt Beasant)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:26:28 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] CTCSS Encode control
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911211226r76d445ddj9e9b19b41f0386f9@mail.gmail.com>

A quick question....

I am using my new APP_RPT node to encode CTCSS from the USB fob and am doing
this for the first time.

Is there any way to get the encode to turn off at the same time as the rx
input COS changes state, or perhaps after the CT has completed?

I've been messing with the settings in usbradio.conf all day and so far have
failed to get the encode to stop at any time other than when the Tx unkeys.

Am I trying to achieve something thats not possible or am I looking in the
wrong place?

Regards,

Matt
G4RKY

PS: Ramesh, if you're reading this as soon as I get this repeater off my
bench and on the hill, you're 220MHz stuff is next in the queue :-D!
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From sales at qrvc.com  Sat Nov 21 21:25:25 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:25:25 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] CTCSS Encode control
In-Reply-To: <ff95e2ea0911211226r76d445ddj9e9b19b41f0386f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911211226r76d445ddj9e9b19b41f0386f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B085AC5.30209@qrvc.com>

Matt Beasant wrote:
> A quick question....
> 
> I am using my new APP_RPT node to encode CTCSS from the USB fob and am doing
> this for the first time.
> 
> Is there any way to get the encode to turn off at the same time as the rx
> input COS changes state, or perhaps after the CT has completed?
> 
> I've been messing with the settings in usbradio.conf all day and so far have
> failed to get the encode to stop at any time other than when the Tx unkeys.
> 
> Am I trying to achieve something thats not possible or am I looking in the
> wrong place?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matt
> G4RKY
> 
> PS: Ramesh, if you're reading this as soon as I get this repeater off my
> bench and on the hill, you're 220MHz stuff is next in the queue :-D!
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

There's no support for this yet. It has been requested on mantis.qrvc.com.


Steve
WA6ZFT



From g4rky at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Nov 21 21:48:41 2009
From: g4rky at yahoo.co.uk (Matt Beasant)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:48:41 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] CTCSS Encode control
In-Reply-To: <4B085AC5.30209@qrvc.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911211226r76d445ddj9e9b19b41f0386f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B085AC5.30209@qrvc.com>
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911211348l26dfa68ap2f5399b96afc31c0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Steve.

2009/11/21 Stephen Rodgers <sales at qrvc.com>

> Matt Beasant wrote:
> > A quick question....
> >
> > I am using my new APP_RPT node to encode CTCSS from the USB fob and am
> doing
> > this for the first time.
> >
> > Is there any way to get the encode to turn off at the same time as the rx
> > input COS changes state, or perhaps after the CT has completed?
> >
> > I've been messing with the settings in usbradio.conf all day and so far
> have
> > failed to get the encode to stop at any time other than when the Tx
> unkeys.
> >
> > Am I trying to achieve something thats not possible or am I looking in
> the
> > wrong place?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matt
> > G4RKY
> >
> > PS: Ramesh, if you're reading this as soon as I get this repeater off my
> > bench and on the hill, you're 220MHz stuff is next in the queue :-D!
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> > http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
> There's no support for this yet. It has been requested on mantis.qrvc.com.
>
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
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From g4rky at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Nov 23 10:26:04 2009
From: g4rky at yahoo.co.uk (Matt Beasant)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:26:04 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] playback command
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911230226h42afb3cflc4f96866deaea602@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have been going nuts trying to remember the syntax for this and I am
hoping someone here can put me straight!

96=playback 2514 ,hello-world

in my rpt.conf file in the functions stanza. 2514 is the node number and
hello-world is just an example sound file from the atserisk/sounds
directory.

I had this working once upon a time but now I just cant seem to get the
syntax right to get it to work.

All I want to do is to call a voice ID file from the scheduler by calling a
macro, so I need to define a dtmf code to it so the macro can run the
fiunction.

Matt
G4RKY
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From Ramesh at va3uv.com  Mon Nov 23 12:19:08 2009
From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV))
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:19:08 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] playback command
In-Reply-To: <ff95e2ea0911230226h42afb3cflc4f96866deaea602@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911230226h42afb3cflc4f96866deaea602@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B0A7DBC.8010301@va3uv.com>

Matt Beasant wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have been going nuts trying to remember the syntax for this and I am 
> hoping someone here can put me straight!
> 
> 96=playback 2514 ,hello-world
> 
<-- Hi Matt; try this...

96=playback 2514,rpt/hello-world


Note that 'playback' will play the file globally, so all nodes connected 
to 2514 will hear the announcement (use with caution!).

In the above example, the 'hello-world' file is located in the following 
dir:

/var/lib/asterisk/sounds/rpt


HTH - and I look forward to the news about the 220 gear!

Ramesh.


From sales at qrvc.com  Mon Nov 23 14:51:24 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:51:24 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] playback command
In-Reply-To: <4B0A7DBC.8010301@va3uv.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911230226h42afb3cflc4f96866deaea602@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B0A7DBC.8010301@va3uv.com>
Message-ID: <4B0AA16C.50505@qrvc.com>

Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV) wrote:
> Matt Beasant wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have been going nuts trying to remember the syntax for this and I am 
>> hoping someone here can put me straight!
>>
>> 96=playback 2514 ,hello-world
>>
> <-- Hi Matt; try this...
> 
> 96=playback 2514,rpt/hello-world
> 
> 
> Note that 'playback' will play the file globally, so all nodes connected 
> to 2514 will hear the announcement (use with caution!).
> 
> In the above example, the 'hello-world' file is located in the following 
> dir:
> 
> /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/rpt
> 
> 
> HTH - and I look forward to the news about the 220 gear!
> 
> Ramesh.
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> 

This is how it's used:

; Playback messages
931000=playback,rpt/sitenorm            ; site normal message
931001=playback,rpt/alllinksdisconnected; all links disconnected
931002=playback,rpt/alllinksrestored    ; all links restored

Please not that playback is semi-broken in that it only plays back locally.
This is logged in mantis.

Steve
WA6ZFT



From wb5nfc at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 18:17:23 2009
From: wb5nfc at yahoo.com (John (WB5NFC))
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:17:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Version 0.10
Message-ID: <424573.7166.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Just ran astupd.sh on my node and got:

You have ACID version: 0.9 and the version on http://dl.allstarlink.org is: 0.10
Fatal error: astupd.sh cannot be used, you must re-install ACID to update this system.

Does 0.10 address any of the audio dropout problems recently discussed? Dropouts are a recurring problem on my nodes as well. Hate to do a complete reinstall, but willing if there's a reason.

Thanks!

John / WB5NFC


      


From matt.g4rky at googlemail.com  Mon Nov 23 18:38:00 2009
From: matt.g4rky at googlemail.com (Matt Beasant)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:38:00 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] playback command
In-Reply-To: <4B0AA16C.50505@qrvc.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911230226h42afb3cflc4f96866deaea602@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B0A7DBC.8010301@va3uv.com> <4B0AA16C.50505@qrvc.com>
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911231038p26fc0f1aj48a9d45eaf1f0c94@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, thank you both for the replies.

I have this working now Stephen, thanks for that.

Now I have another related ( loosely ) question.

I wanted to use this function to play a voice ID at the top of the hour on a
repeater.

I have just ( yesterday ) added an additonal node to my system at Dundry and
now have two nodes running on 1 machine.

The instructions to achieve this were great and its easy to do, but there
was one part I wasnt 100% sure about.

In RPT.CONF, where do I put my configuration for the second node?

Do I put it right at the very end of the existing config, after the
scheduler section or do I put it after the node definition, after the
statpost commands?

I'll give it a try at the very end and see what happens....

Thanks,

Matt

2009/11/23 Stephen Rodgers <sales at qrvc.com>

> Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV) wrote:
> > Matt Beasant wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have been going nuts trying to remember the syntax for this and I am
> >> hoping someone here can put me straight!
> >>
> >> 96=playback 2514 ,hello-world
> >>
> > <-- Hi Matt; try this...
> >
> > 96=playback 2514,rpt/hello-world
> >
> >
> > Note that 'playback' will play the file globally, so all nodes connected
> > to 2514 will hear the announcement (use with caution!).
> >
> > In the above example, the 'hello-world' file is located in the following
> > dir:
> >
> > /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/rpt
> >
> >
> > HTH - and I look forward to the news about the 220 gear!
> >
> > Ramesh.
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> > http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >
>
> This is how it's used:
>
> ; Playback messages
> 931000=playback,rpt/sitenorm            ; site normal message
> 931001=playback,rpt/alllinksdisconnected; all links disconnected
> 931002=playback,rpt/alllinksrestored    ; all links restored
>
> Please not that playback is semi-broken in that it only plays back locally.
> This is logged in mantis.
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
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From hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com  Mon Nov 23 20:27:54 2009
From: hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com (hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:27:54 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Version 0.10
Message-ID: <20091123202754.FMAE13394.dukecmfep06.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo01.coxmail.com>


> 
> From: "John \(WB5NFC\)" <wb5nfc at yahoo.com>
> Date: 2009/11/23 Mon AM 10:17:23 PST
> To: app_rpt <App_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Version 0.10
> 
> Just ran astupd.sh on my node and got:
> 
> You have ACID version: 0.9 and the version on http://dl.allstarlink.org is: 0.10
> Fatal error: astupd.sh cannot be used, you must re-install ACID to update this system.
> 
> Does 0.10 address any of the audio dropout problems recently discussed? Dropouts are a recurring problem on my nodes as well. Hate to do a complete reinstall, but willing if there's a reason.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> John / WB5NFC
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> 

No need to upgrade just yet.

There have been no changes to app_rpt or chan_usbradio for ACID 0.10. ACID 0.10.The change from 0.9 to 0.10 was only
because of some install script changes to support servers with large amounts of memory on them.

Regarding audio dropouts:

Some people have reported issues with audio dropouts, but I have not seen this on any system I installed on node 2011 so I don't really know how real this problem is. 
Even if I did have a system exhibiting this problem, it would have to be investigated by the authors of the usb channel driver Jim Dixon, WB6NIL and Steve Henke, W9SH as they wrote the code and know where to look for problems.

Steve
WA6ZFT




Steve
WA6ZFT










From matt.g4rky at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 24 00:18:18 2009
From: matt.g4rky at googlemail.com (Matt)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:18:18 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] playback command
In-Reply-To: <ff95e2ea0911231038p26fc0f1aj48a9d45eaf1f0c94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911230226h42afb3cflc4f96866deaea602@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B0A7DBC.8010301@va3uv.com>
	<4B0AA16C.50505@qrvc.com><ff95e2ea0911231038p26fc0f1aj48a9d45eaf1f0c94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <700913665-1259021854-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1275413921-@bda192.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>

Yep got this all working as intended now. 

Thanks guys for all your help. 

Kind regards

Matt




Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Beasant <matt.g4rky at googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:38:00 
To: <sales at qrvc.com>
Cc: <Ramesh at va3uv.com>; app_rpt<App_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] playback command

Ah, thank you both for the replies.

I have this working now Stephen, thanks for that.

Now I have another related ( loosely ) question.

I wanted to use this function to play a voice ID at the top of the hour on a
repeater.

I have just ( yesterday ) added an additonal node to my system at Dundry and
now have two nodes running on 1 machine.

The instructions to achieve this were great and its easy to do, but there
was one part I wasnt 100% sure about.

In RPT.CONF, where do I put my configuration for the second node?

Do I put it right at the very end of the existing config, after the
scheduler section or do I put it after the node definition, after the
statpost commands?

I'll give it a try at the very end and see what happens....

Thanks,

Matt

2009/11/23 Stephen Rodgers <sales at qrvc.com>

> Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV) wrote:
> > Matt Beasant wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have been going nuts trying to remember the syntax for this and I am
> >> hoping someone here can put me straight!
> >>
> >> 96=playback 2514 ,hello-world
> >>
> > <-- Hi Matt; try this...
> >
> > 96=playback 2514,rpt/hello-world
> >
> >
> > Note that 'playback' will play the file globally, so all nodes connected
> > to 2514 will hear the announcement (use with caution!).
> >
> > In the above example, the 'hello-world' file is located in the following
> > dir:
> >
> > /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/rpt
> >
> >
> > HTH - and I look forward to the news about the 220 gear!
> >
> > Ramesh.
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> > http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >
>
> This is how it's used:
>
> ; Playback messages
> 931000=playback,rpt/sitenorm            ; site normal message
> 931001=playback,rpt/alllinksdisconnected; all links disconnected
> 931002=playback,rpt/alllinksrestored    ; all links restored
>
> Please not that playback is semi-broken in that it only plays back locally.
> This is logged in mantis.
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>

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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Tue Nov 24 21:30:58 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:30:58 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Version 0.10
In-Reply-To: <20091123202754.FMAE13394.dukecmfep06.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo01.coxmail.com>
References: <20091123202754.FMAE13394.dukecmfep06.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo01.coxmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B0C5092.5040309@michiganbroadband.com>

hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com wrote:
>> From: "John \(WB5NFC\)" <wb5nfc at yahoo.com>
>> Date: 2009/11/23 Mon AM 10:17:23 PST
>> To: app_rpt <App_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Version 0.10
>>
>> Just ran astupd.sh on my node and got:
>>
>> You have ACID version: 0.9 and the version on http://dl.allstarlink.org is: 0.10
>> Fatal error: astupd.sh cannot be used, you must re-install ACID to update this system.
>>
>> Does 0.10 address any of the audio dropout problems recently discussed? Dropouts are a recurring problem on my nodes as well. Hate to do a complete reinstall, but willing if there's a reason.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> John / WB5NFC
>>
>>
>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>>     
>
> No need to upgrade just yet.
>
> There have been no changes to app_rpt or chan_usbradio for ACID 0.10. ACID 0.10.The change from 0.9 to 0.10 was only
> because of some install script changes to support servers with large amounts of memory on them.
>
> Regarding audio dropouts:
>
> Some people have reported issues with audio dropouts, but I have not seen this on any system I installed on node 2011 so I don't really know how real this problem is. 
> Even if I did have a system exhibiting this problem, it would have to be investigated by the authors of the usb channel driver Jim Dixon, WB6NIL and Steve Henke, W9SH as they wrote the code and know where to look for problems.
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
>
>
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>   
Hi Steve..
I've got ACID instaled & running on two much higher end systems now..
An Intel based Q6700 quadcore @3.2Ghz (overclocked) also tried it at 
stock 2.66Ghz speed :-)

And an AMD athlon64 running @2.8Ghz

Both systems still experience some audio dropouts...

I think it's possible that others have this issue but are not reporting it.
They are relatively infrequent (3-4 small pops per minute avg.) and do 
not keep you from running a usable system.

I've been testing in such a way that really makes the droputs show up as 
well..
On a normal system the dropouts are not going to be as obvious.
My test arrangement is this:

1. No timeout timer on repeater TX.
2. PL endcode from usbradio to transmitter.
3. CWID set to ID every 60 seconds
4. Beaconing turned on (so that cwid will go off on its own every minute.
5. issue "radio key" command to key radio and send PL

Audio plugged into a stereo system with good speakers and listening to 
the PL tone + CWID every minute for several days while I work on other 
things in the shop..
Yes people think I'm nuts for listening to that every minute..
Doesn't bother me a bit ;-)
I need to program someone else's callsign into it so people won't think 
I have Morse vanity issues.

I'll be trying out these other kernel options and Daves patches and 
report back with results as soon as I can get my kernel compiling lack 
of skills to cooperate













If you are relying on (usbradio) to provide pl encode then the dropouts 
can be an issue.
And you can hear them on the voice/cwid of the repeater.

On the faster systems my experience so far is that the dropouts sound 
'faster'.
I'll provide audio samples if needed.

I'll be back with much better data than I've provided so far on this issue.
This is awesome and I am having a lot of fun with it.







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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Tue Nov 24 21:34:38 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:34:38 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] playback command
In-Reply-To: <700913665-1259021854-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1275413921-@bda192.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
References: <ff95e2ea0911230226h42afb3cflc4f96866deaea602@mail.gmail.com>	<4B0A7DBC.8010301@va3uv.com>	<4B0AA16C.50505@qrvc.com><ff95e2ea0911231038p26fc0f1aj48a9d45eaf1f0c94@mail.gmail.com>
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Matt wrote:
> Yep got this all working as intended now.
>
> Thanks guys for all your help.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry? wireless device
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: * Matt Beasant <matt.g4rky at googlemail.com>
> *Date: *Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:38:00 +0000
> *To: *<sales at qrvc.com>
> *Cc: *<Ramesh at va3uv.com>; app_rpt<App_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [App_rpt-users] playback command
>
> Ah, thank you both for the replies.
>
> I have this working now Stephen, thanks for that.
>
> Now I have another related ( loosely ) question. 
>
> I wanted to use this function to play a voice ID at the top of the 
> hour on a repeater. 
>
> I have just ( yesterday ) added an additonal node to my system at 
> Dundry and now have two nodes running on 1 machine. 
>
> The instructions to achieve this were great and its easy to do, but 
> there was one part I wasnt 100% sure about.
>
> In RPT.CONF, where do I put my configuration for the second node?
>
> Do I put it right at the very end of the existing config, after the 
> scheduler section or do I put it after the node definition, after the 
> statpost commands?
>
> I'll give it a try at the very end and see what happens....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
> 2009/11/23 Stephen Rodgers <sales at qrvc.com <mailto:sales at qrvc.com>>
>
>     Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV) wrote:
>     > Matt Beasant wrote:
>     >> Hi all,
>     >>
>     >> I have been going nuts trying to remember the syntax for this
>     and I am
>     >> hoping someone here can put me straight!
>     >>
>     >> 96=playback 2514 ,hello-world
>     >>
>     > <-- Hi Matt; try this...
>     >
>     > 96=playback 2514,rpt/hello-world
>     >
>     >
>     > Note that 'playback' will play the file globally, so all nodes
>     connected
>     > to 2514 will hear the announcement (use with caution!).
>     >
>     > In the above example, the 'hello-world' file is located in the
>     following
>     > dir:
>     >
>     > /var/lib/asterisk/sounds/rpt
>     >
>     >
>     > HTH - and I look forward to the news about the 220 gear!
>     >
>     > Ramesh.
>     >_______________________________________________
>     > App_rpt-users mailing list
>     > App_rpt-users at qrvc.com <mailto:App_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
>     > http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>     >
>
>     This is how it's used:
>
>     ; Playback messages
>     931000=playback,rpt/sitenorm            ; site normal message
>     931001=playback,rpt/alllinksdisconnected; all links disconnected
>     931002=playback,rpt/alllinksrestored    ; all links restored
>
>     Please not that playback is semi-broken in that it only plays back
>     locally.
>     This is logged in mantis.
>
>     Steve
>     WA6ZFT
>
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>
>
>
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If you've not done this already be sure to try:

rpt playback <node#> tt-weasels

Trust me.. it's worthwhile.

If that's not your fancy there's always tt-monkeys

:-)

Steve


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From matt.g4rky at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 24 22:04:02 2009
From: matt.g4rky at googlemail.com (Matt Beasant)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:04:02 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] playback command
In-Reply-To: <4B0C516E.4080103@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911230226h42afb3cflc4f96866deaea602@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B0A7DBC.8010301@va3uv.com> <4B0AA16C.50505@qrvc.com>
	<ff95e2ea0911231038p26fc0f1aj48a9d45eaf1f0c94@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>
>>
> If you've not done this already be sure to try:
>
> rpt playback <node#> tt-weasels
>
> Trust me.. it's worthwhile.
>
> If that's not your fancy there's always tt-monkeys
>
> :-)
>
> Steve
>
>
>
heh heh nice one Steve, yes all sorts of fun can be had now!

Just to tie the ribbons on my related question, I now have my 2 nodes
working great using two separate stanzas in rpt.conf.

I wasnt sure of this would work but its working out well - I have two
complete sets of node configs, I left the original one as it was and pasted
a whole new one underneath it and renamed all the stanzas with a suffix of
the repeater's callsign so I know what I am doing when I edit it.

The more I find out about app_rpt the more* *I love it!

Matt
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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Tue Nov 24 22:18:08 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:18:08 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Version 0.10
In-Reply-To: <4B0C5092.5040309@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <20091123202754.FMAE13394.dukecmfep06.coxmail.com@dukecmimpo01.coxmail.com>
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Steve Gladden wrote:
> hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com wrote:
>   
>>> From: "John \(WB5NFC\)" <wb5nfc at yahoo.com>
>>> Date: 2009/11/23 Mon AM 10:17:23 PST
>>> To: app_rpt <App_rpt-users at qrvc.com>
>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Version 0.10
>>>
>>> Just ran astupd.sh on my node and got:
>>>
>>> You have ACID version: 0.9 and the version on http://dl.allstarlink.org is: 0.10
>>> Fatal error: astupd.sh cannot be used, you must re-install ACID to update this system.
>>>
>>> Does 0.10 address any of the audio dropout problems recently discussed? Dropouts are a recurring problem on my nodes as well. Hate to do a complete reinstall, but willing if there's a reason.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> John / WB5NFC
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> No need to upgrade just yet.
>>
>> There have been no changes to app_rpt or chan_usbradio for ACID 0.10. ACID 0.10.The change from 0.9 to 0.10 was only
>> because of some install script changes to support servers with large amounts of memory on them.
>>
>> Regarding audio dropouts:
>>
>> Some people have reported issues with audio dropouts, but I have not seen this on any system I installed on node 2011 so I don't really know how real this problem is. 
>> Even if I did have a system exhibiting this problem, it would have to be investigated by the authors of the usb channel driver Jim Dixon, WB6NIL and Steve Henke, W9SH as they wrote the code and know where to look for problems.
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>>   
>>     
> Hi Steve..
> I've got ACID instaled & running on two much higher end systems now..
> An Intel based Q6700 quadcore @3.2Ghz (overclocked) also tried it at 
> stock 2.66Ghz speed :-)
>
> And an AMD athlon64 running @2.8Ghz
>
> Both systems still experience some audio dropouts...
>
> I think it's possible that others have this issue but are not reporting it.
> They are relatively infrequent (3-4 small pops per minute avg.) and do 
> not keep you from running a usable system.
>
> I've been testing in such a way that really makes the droputs show up as 
> well..
> On a normal system the dropouts are not going to be as obvious.
> My test arrangement is this:
>
> 1. No timeout timer on repeater TX.
> 2. PL endcode from usbradio to transmitter.
> 3. CWID set to ID every 60 seconds
> 4. Beaconing turned on (so that cwid will go off on its own every minute.
> 5. issue "radio key" command to key radio and send PL
>
> Audio plugged into a stereo system with good speakers and listening to 
> the PL tone + CWID every minute for several days while I work on other 
> things in the shop..
> Yes people think I'm nuts for listening to that every minute..
> Doesn't bother me a bit ;-)
> I need to program someone else's callsign into it so people won't think 
> I have Morse vanity issues.
>
> I'll be trying out these other kernel options and Daves patches and 
> report back with results as soon as I can get my kernel compiling lack 
> of skills to cooperate
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If you are relying on (usbradio) to provide pl encode then the dropouts 
> can be an issue.
> And you can hear them on the voice/cwid of the repeater.
>
> On the faster systems my experience so far is that the dropouts sound 
> 'faster'.
> I'll provide audio samples if needed.
>
> I'll be back with much better data than I've provided so far on this issue.
> This is awesome and I am having a lot of fun with it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   
Just found the complete list of commands in the source code (app_rpt.c)

It looks like *100 and *101 might be what I need.
Not sure if this is for the repeater or serially connected remote base.
Have a feeling it's not for the repeater.



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From w7aor at narri.org  Wed Nov 25 02:31:22 2009
From: w7aor at narri.org (Kent Johnson)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:31:22 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] 2010 VoIP Conference April 10 Las Vegas
	Circus-Circus
Message-ID: <006401ca6d77$62651d10$272f5730$@org>

Arrangement have been made for the 2010 VoIP Conference April 10 Las Vegas
Circus-Circus. 

 

See www.narri.org and follow the links to information and registration form.

 

http://www.narri.org/voip_conference.html

 

All are welcome to attend!

 

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Chairman

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From g4rky at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Nov 25 23:22:58 2009
From: g4rky at yahoo.co.uk (Matt Beasant)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:22:58 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] typo in example rpt.conf and as-built rpt.conf?
Message-ID: <ff95e2ea0911251522w51f4bee7ue3efeb249bd64b65@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've been trying to get my link activity timer working on a new node I built
recently.

I see from the web site here:

http://app-rpt.qrvc.com/node/93

That the syntax is

lnkactenable=1

However, my "as installed" rpt.conf file and also the one in the examples
section on the node had the "i" in it making it:

linkactenable=1
 ^
and I didnt spot it !

Just a heads up!

Matt
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From sales at qrvc.com  Thu Nov 26 01:58:09 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:58:09 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] typo in example rpt.conf and as-built rpt.conf?
In-Reply-To: <ff95e2ea0911251522w51f4bee7ue3efeb249bd64b65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff95e2ea0911251522w51f4bee7ue3efeb249bd64b65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B0DE0B1.5030009@qrvc.com>

Matt Beasant wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been trying to get my link activity timer working on a new node I built
> recently.
> 
> I see from the web site here:
> 
> http://app-rpt.qrvc.com/node/93
> 
> That the syntax is
> 
> lnkactenable=1
> 
> However, my "as installed" rpt.conf file and also the one in the examples
> section on the node had the "i" in it making it:
> 
> linkactenable=1
>  ^
> and I didnt spot it !
> 
> Just a heads up!
> 
> Matt
> G4RKY
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

Typo fixed in SVN versions of rpt.conf. Will be in next tarball released.

Steve
WA6ZFT



From kd7yat at cox.net  Thu Nov 26 18:09:22 2009
From: kd7yat at cox.net (kd7yat at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:09:22 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Acid Install
Message-ID: <20091126130922.JXCQG.332045.imail@fed1rmwml30>

Ed here, I am new to the group and having install issues. I am good through the install, changing the root password, adding my node and registration password and call sign, and then the trouble begins. I get a test login:, Nothing I try here works, all I get is, login incorrect. I have downloaded and burned 2 ISO disc's and have re-installed several times. The USB fob blinks and everything seems fine to this point. Have I missed something?
Everyone have a great Thanksgiving.

Ed


From jrorke at cogeco.ca  Thu Nov 26 18:33:36 2009
From: jrorke at cogeco.ca (Jon Rorke)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:33:36 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] node passing pl tones
Message-ID: <4B0ECA00.3070803@cogeco.ca>

Hi All, a friend of mine is trying to set up a couple of simplex nodes 
based on the latest acid install.
He has the 2 nodes up and running. They are connected together on a 
local LAN.When a signal is transmitted to the one node, it seems to be 
passed down the line to the remote node.

Normally I thought that App_rpt would filter the audio path between 300- 
3khZ. But in this case the pl tone is being passed to the remote node.

I believe he has the correct settings for the URIs for each radio. Rx 
audio is set to flat since it is fed by discriminator audio and squelch 
is set to carrier from usbinvert.
Ctcss from is set to no and the pl tones are commented out.

The tx settings are txprelim is set to yes as the tx audio is connected 
to the modulator and not the mic input.
TXtoctype= notone and TXmixa = voice.

This should not send any tone out the local transmitter.

If he keys up the other end with carrier Sq and no pl on transmit on his 
handie, then no pl tone gets sent.

If he does key up with a pl tone it seems to be sent to the remote 
transmitter.

Anybody have any ideas?

None of my nodes do this.

Thanks,

Jon VA3RQ


From Ramesh at va3uv.com  Thu Nov 26 19:21:40 2009
From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV))
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:21:40 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Acid Install
In-Reply-To: <20091126130922.JXCQG.332045.imail@fed1rmwml30>
References: <20091126130922.JXCQG.332045.imail@fed1rmwml30>
Message-ID: <4B0ED544.3010000@va3uv.com>

kd7yat at cox.net wrote:
> Ed here, I am new to the group and having install issues. I am good through the install, changing the root password, adding my node and registration password and call sign, and then the trouble begins. I get a test login:, Nothing I try here works, all I get is, login incorrect. I have downloaded and burned 2 ISO disc's and have re-installed several times. The USB fob blinks and everything seems fine to this point. Have I missed something?
> Everyone have a great Thanksgiving.
> 
<-- Hi Ed;  Exactly what are you doing when prompted for the login? 
(what user name are you using)?

Ramesh.


From yokshs at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 26 19:46:25 2009
From: yokshs at sbcglobal.net (Yokshs)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:46:25 -0600
Subject: [App_rpt-users] IRLP board support?
Message-ID: <91B2171436D3473789A98A742C6817E0@main>

Hello,

This is my first post, so pardon me if this has already been covered. 

I wonder if there is any way to add native support for the IRLP board to app-rpt? 

I'd like to avoid using CM108 Fobs in favor of my IRLP board. I already have a fan control circuit and remote transmitter shutoff via the AUX ports, plus I'd like to keep my hardware DTMF decoder.

If native support for the IRLP board isn't possible, does anyone have any suggestions to get Echolink, IRLP and Asterisk working under TheLinkBox with my IRLP board?

My attempts so far to install the ACID CD, followed by IRLP software have been problematic. I've also tried the opposite with limited success. 

Thanks for any suggestions.

73,

Kyle
K0KN
Olathe, KS
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From Ramesh at va3uv.com  Thu Nov 26 19:55:31 2009
From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami (VA3UV))
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:55:31 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] IRLP board support?
In-Reply-To: <91B2171436D3473789A98A742C6817E0@main>
References: <91B2171436D3473789A98A742C6817E0@main>
Message-ID: <4B0EDD33.6020900@va3uv.com>

Yokshs wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> This is my first post, so pardon me if this has already been covered.
>  
> I wonder if there is any way to add native support for the IRLP board to 
> app-rpt?
>  
> I'd like to avoid using CM108 Fobs in favor of my IRLP board. I already 
> have a fan control circuit and remote transmitter shutoff via the AUX 
> ports, plus I'd like to keep my hardware DTMF decoder.
>  
> If native support for the IRLP board isn't possible, does anyone have 
> any suggestions to get Echolink, IRLP and Asterisk working under 
> TheLinkBox with my IRLP board?
>  
> My attempts so far to install the ACID CD, followed by IRLP software 
> have been problematic. I've also tried the opposite with limited success.
>  
<-- Hi Kyle; I saw your post on the Asterisk Radio group as well.... I 
am not sure where you got the idea that rtpDir is discontinued.... it 
works quite well and for folks that want to use their IRLP board, it's 
probably your only choice.

I have setup rtpDir a few times now, as well as IRLP on top of an ACID 
install.  Allstar node 2200 is a hub reflector where I use rtpDir to 
enable cross connectivity between Allstar, IRLP, and D Star - it works 
very well indeed!

If you need help - just ask... or connect to node 2200 or IRLP 0040 and 
give me a shout in the evening.

Cheers,

Ramesh.


From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Sun Nov 29 01:23:49 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:23:49 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Default *2<node#> MONITOR mode is not just monitor
	to far end.
Message-ID: <4B11CD25.4070406@michiganbroadband.com>

Have a node setup (repeater) with usbradio..
Using mostly default setup.
at the moment I have rx /repeater setup for carrier access (no ctcss)

Been testing this and the far end nodes report that they get get 
repeater tones & hang time from me if I try to just 'monitor' them using 
the *2
monitor functionality..

*3 works as expected but when I try to use *2 I'm getting those 
unexpected results and the far end is experiencing some grief/confusion.

Am I misunderstanding how this should work?
Or are there any common gotchyas where you'd think you're just 
monitoring but it's doing more than that?
Sorry this is a bit vague.. I probably need to bring up another note and 
test this and report step by step what's happening.

Thanks

Steve

 



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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Sun Nov 29 01:25:25 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:25:25 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Toggle CTCSS Decode for repeater access or carrier
	only on/off
Message-ID: <4B11CD85.7050101@michiganbroadband.com>

Using USBRADIO>
I've not figured how to turn on/off CTCSS repeater access or carrier
only repeater access via DTMF command.
Is this possible or supported?
I ca do it by reconfiguring usbradio and restarting asterisk/zaptel but
I've not figured out how to do it via DTMF.
I'd like to be able to 'open up' the repeater for carrier access during
events, special occasions and nets via DTMF command schedules etc.


Thanks!

Steve



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From sales at qrvc.com  Sun Nov 29 01:45:22 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:45:22 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Toggle CTCSS Decode for repeater access or
 carrier only on/off
In-Reply-To: <4B11CD85.7050101@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4B11CD85.7050101@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B11D232.6030101@qrvc.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Using USBRADIO>
> I've not figured how to turn on/off CTCSS repeater access or carrier
> only repeater access via DTMF command.
> Is this possible or supported?
> I ca do it by reconfiguring usbradio and restarting asterisk/zaptel but
> I've not figured out how to do it via DTMF.
> I'd like to be able to 'open up' the repeater for carrier access during
> events, special occasions and nets via DTMF command schedules etc.
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
This is not supported, but has been requested. See mantis.qrvc.com for details.

Steve
WA6ZFT


From sales at qrvc.com  Sun Nov 29 01:51:58 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:51:58 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Default *2<node#> MONITOR mode is not just
 monitor to far end.
In-Reply-To: <4B11CD25.4070406@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4B11CD25.4070406@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B11D3BE.90903@qrvc.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Have a node setup (repeater) with usbradio..
> Using mostly default setup.
> at the moment I have rx /repeater setup for carrier access (no ctcss)
> 
> Been testing this and the far end nodes report that they get get 
> repeater tones & hang time from me if I try to just 'monitor' them using 
> the *2
> monitor functionality..
> 
> *3 works as expected but when I try to use *2 I'm getting those 
> unexpected results and the far end is experiencing some grief/confusion.
> 
> Am I misunderstanding how this should work?
> Or are there any common gotchyas where you'd think you're just 
> monitoring but it's doing more than that?
> Sorry this is a bit vague.. I probably need to bring up another note and 
> test this and report step by step what's happening.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Steve
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
Versions of app_rpt.c which are older than version 0.199 might be sending telemetry to foreign nodes under some
conditions, especially if the foreign node is running a really old version of app_rpt.c which does not use the
new keying scheme.

You should check what version of app_rpt.c you are running and see if the foriegn node is running a really old
version of app_rpt.c


Steve
WA6ZFT




From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Sun Nov 29 09:09:01 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:09:01 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] app_rpt reverse autopatch configuration & setup
 Looking for help or examples..
Message-ID: <4B123A2D.3050707@michiganbroadband.com>

I am setting up an autopatch on a full duplex repeater as detailed at:  
http://app-rpt.qrvc.com/node/63

I'm not finding any info on how reverse autopatch works or how to set it 
up..
I'd like to be able to call into app_rpt and gain access to the radio 
preferably password (DTMF) protected.

I'm not finding any documentation that explains reverse autopatch and 
how to set it up.
Any ideas where I should be looking?

I'm very familiar with this at a high level (SIP/IAX) provider setup etc.
I just need the specifics on how to bring an inbound call into app_rpt  
and the proper way to pass the call to it what to do in the dialplan 
when calling rpt.
Should I be looking through app_rpt.c source code for this? or is it 
documented in a manual somewhere?

Thanks

Steve



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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Sun Nov 29 11:45:33 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:45:33 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] app_rpt reverse autopatch configuration & setup
 Looking for help or examples..
In-Reply-To: <4B123A2D.3050707@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4B123A2D.3050707@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B125EDD.1040408@michiganbroadband.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> I am setting up an autopatch on a full duplex repeater as detailed at:  
> http://app-rpt.qrvc.com/node/63
>
> I'm not finding any info on how reverse autopatch works or how to set it 
> up..
> I'd like to be able to call into app_rpt and gain access to the radio 
> preferably password (DTMF) protected.
>
> I'm not finding any documentation that explains reverse autopatch and 
> how to set it up.
> Any ideas where I should be looking?
>
> I'm very familiar with this at a high level (SIP/IAX) provider setup etc.
> I just need the specifics on how to bring an inbound call into app_rpt  
> and the proper way to pass the call to it what to do in the dialplan 
> when calling rpt.
> Should I be looking through app_rpt.c source code for this? or is it 
> documented in a manual somewhere?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>   
Oh gosh never mind... found that info in the admin manual. ;-)
Steve




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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Sun Nov 29 11:48:15 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:48:15 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Default *2<node#> MONITOR mode is not just
 monitor to far end.
In-Reply-To: <4B11D3BE.90903@qrvc.com>
References: <4B11CD25.4070406@michiganbroadband.com> <4B11D3BE.90903@qrvc.com>
Message-ID: <4B125F7F.4000308@michiganbroadband.com>

Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Steve Gladden wrote:
>   
>> Have a node setup (repeater) with usbradio..
>> Using mostly default setup.
>> at the moment I have rx /repeater setup for carrier access (no ctcss)
>>
>> Been testing this and the far end nodes report that they get get 
>> repeater tones & hang time from me if I try to just 'monitor' them using 
>> the *2
>> monitor functionality..
>>
>> *3 works as expected but when I try to use *2 I'm getting those 
>> unexpected results and the far end is experiencing some grief/confusion.
>>
>> Am I misunderstanding how this should work?
>> Or are there any common gotchyas where you'd think you're just 
>> monitoring but it's doing more than that?
>> Sorry this is a bit vague.. I probably need to bring up another note and 
>> test this and report step by step what's happening.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>     
> Versions of app_rpt.c which are older than version 0.199 might be sending telemetry to foreign nodes under some
> conditions, especially if the foreign node is running a really old version of app_rpt.c which does not use the
> new keying scheme.
>
> You should check what version of app_rpt.c you are running and see if the foriegn node is running a really old
> version of app_rpt.c
>
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
>
>
>   
Hi Steve I have the latest version installed or almost the latest 
version (3 days old).
So what I'm hearing you say is that the far end may have an older 
version (causing this issue) and this is out of my control.
Is this correct?

Thanks!

Steve




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From steve at michiganbroadband.com  Sun Nov 29 12:01:27 2009
From: steve at michiganbroadband.com (Steve Gladden)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:01:27 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Toggle CTCSS Decode for repeater access or
 carrier only on/off
In-Reply-To: <4B11D232.6030101@qrvc.com>
References: <4B11CD85.7050101@michiganbroadband.com>
	<4B11D232.6030101@qrvc.com>
Message-ID: <4B126297.6080903@michiganbroadband.com>

Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Steve Gladden wrote:
>   
>> Using USBRADIO>
>> I've not figured how to turn on/off CTCSS repeater access or carrier
>> only repeater access via DTMF command.
>> Is this possible or supported?
>> I ca do it by reconfiguring usbradio and restarting asterisk/zaptel but
>> I've not figured out how to do it via DTMF.
>> I'd like to be able to 'open up' the repeater for carrier access during
>> events, special occasions and nets via DTMF command schedules etc.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>     
> This is not supported, but has been requested. See mantis.qrvc.com for details.
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
>   
Very well... I'll take a look and also add my name to the 'need this' 
wish list on that feature.

Is there currently support (via DTMF command) to execute a shell script, 
or anything of that nature?
I could make a work around by running a shell script via DTMF and 
switching config files/restarting asterisk/zap
If this type of command is supported..
I'll certainly add that to the wish list (execute external (Linux) shell 
script) if it's does not exist today.

As an even further fetched work around I could access AGI and run a 
script via autopatch to an internal (asterisk) extension that calls the 
AGI *asterisk gateway interface* script (I think).
This should be a reasonable work-around to give me remote DTMF control 
of switching between the RX PL or carrier access as is needed
+ give me a way to run Linux progs/scripts by control of DTMF commands 
for future needs such as turning on/off output pins on the parallel port 
for example.

Thanks!!

Steve







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From jrorke at cogeco.ca  Sun Nov 29 13:37:15 2009
From: jrorke at cogeco.ca (RED BUTTON MOBILE)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:37:15 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Default *2<node#> MONITOR mode is not just
 monitor to far end.
In-Reply-To: <4B11D3BE.90903@qrvc.com>
References: <4B11CD25.4070406@michiganbroadband.com> <4B11D3BE.90903@qrvc.com>
Message-ID: <4B12790B.4080700@cogeco.ca>

Hi all. I can provide a little more info on this as it was one of our 
nodes that was the "foreign node".
Ok I believe he connected to node 2357 which is currently running 0.192 
App_Rpt. I do believe it does send the newkey commands. Dont know it 
this classifies as a "really old node"or not.

Anyway we were receiving a repeater tail from his node after every 
transmission at our end.
Since he connected in rx mode we did not get any announcement that he 
connected.

Steve ZFT:  Is there an easy way to upgrade these nodes without having 
to go to the sites?

A while back I tried the astupdate thing and it told me the version was 
too old and I had to do a reinstall.
This would mean a trip to the sites some of which are a few hours of 
driving.

I would like to be up to date to be in sync with everyone.

Jon VA3RQ

Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Steve Gladden wrote:
>   
>> Have a node setup (repeater) with usbradio..
>> Using mostly default setup.
>> at the moment I have rx /repeater setup for carrier access (no ctcss)
>>
>> Been testing this and the far end nodes report that they get get 
>> repeater tones & hang time from me if I try to just 'monitor' them using 
>> the *2
>> monitor functionality..
>>
>> *3 works as expected but when I try to use *2 I'm getting those 
>> unexpected results and the far end is experiencing some grief/confusion.
>>
>> Am I misunderstanding how this should work?
>> Or are there any common gotchyas where you'd think you're just 
>> monitoring but it's doing more than that?
>> Sorry this is a bit vague.. I probably need to bring up another note and 
>> test this and report step by step what's happening.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>     
> Versions of app_rpt.c which are older than version 0.199 might be sending telemetry to foreign nodes under some
> conditions, especially if the foreign node is running a really old version of app_rpt.c which does not use the
> new keying scheme.
>
> You should check what version of app_rpt.c you are running and see if the foriegn node is running a really old
> version of app_rpt.c
>
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
>   


From sales at qrvc.com  Sun Nov 29 18:47:05 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:47:05 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Default *2<node#> MONITOR mode is not just
 monitor to far end.
In-Reply-To: <4B125F7F.4000308@michiganbroadband.com>
References: <4B11CD25.4070406@michiganbroadband.com> <4B11D3BE.90903@qrvc.com>
	<4B125F7F.4000308@michiganbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <4B12C1A9.9010003@qrvc.com>

Steve Gladden wrote:
> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
>> Steve Gladden wrote:
>>   
>>> Have a node setup (repeater) with usbradio..
>>> Using mostly default setup.
>>> at the moment I have rx /repeater setup for carrier access (no ctcss)
>>>
>>> Been testing this and the far end nodes report that they get get 
>>> repeater tones & hang time from me if I try to just 'monitor' them using 
>>> the *2
>>> monitor functionality..
>>>
>>> *3 works as expected but when I try to use *2 I'm getting those 
>>> unexpected results and the far end is experiencing some grief/confusion.
>>>
>>> Am I misunderstanding how this should work?
>>> Or are there any common gotchyas where you'd think you're just 
>>> monitoring but it's doing more than that?
>>> Sorry this is a bit vague.. I probably need to bring up another note and 
>>> test this and report step by step what's happening.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>> Versions of app_rpt.c which are older than version 0.199 might be sending telemetry to foreign nodes under some
>> conditions, especially if the foreign node is running a really old version of app_rpt.c which does not use the
>> new keying scheme.
>>
>> You should check what version of app_rpt.c you are running and see if the foriegn node is running a really old
>> version of app_rpt.c
>>
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>>
>>
>>
>>   
> Hi Steve I have the latest version installed or almost the latest 
> version (3 days old).
> So what I'm hearing you say is that the far end may have an older 
> version (causing this issue) and this is out of my control.
> Is this correct?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
I guess the question would be does it do it when connected to my node (2010)?
Try connecting to me in transceive mode to see if I'm monitoring, then tear down the connection and
try monitor mode. I'm running the latest app_rpt.c there as well.

Steve
WA6ZFT



From sales at qrvc.com  Sun Nov 29 19:00:49 2009
From: sales at qrvc.com (Stephen Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:00:49 -0800
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Default *2<node#> MONITOR mode is not just
 monitor to far end.
In-Reply-To: <4B12790B.4080700@cogeco.ca>
References: <4B11CD25.4070406@michiganbroadband.com> <4B11D3BE.90903@qrvc.com>
	<4B12790B.4080700@cogeco.ca>
Message-ID: <4B12C4E1.6030801@qrvc.com>

RED BUTTON MOBILE wrote:
> Hi all. I can provide a little more info on this as it was one of our
> nodes that was the "foreign node".
> Ok I believe he connected to node 2357 which is currently running 0.192
> App_Rpt. I do believe it does send the newkey commands. Dont know it
> this classifies as a "really old node"or not.
> 
> Anyway we were receiving a repeater tail from his node after every
> transmission at our end.
> Since he connected in rx mode we did not get any announcement that he
> connected.
> 
> Steve ZFT:  Is there an easy way to upgrade these nodes without having
> to go to the sites?
> 
> A while back I tried the astupdate thing and it told me the version was
> too old and I had to do a reinstall.
> This would mean a trip to the sites some of which are a few hours of
> driving.
> 
> I would like to be up to date to be in sync with everyone.
> 
> Jon VA3RQ
> 
> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
>> Steve Gladden wrote:
>>  
>>> Have a node setup (repeater) with usbradio..
>>> Using mostly default setup.
>>> at the moment I have rx /repeater setup for carrier access (no ctcss)
>>>
>>> Been testing this and the far end nodes report that they get get
>>> repeater tones & hang time from me if I try to just 'monitor' them
>>> using the *2
>>> monitor functionality..
>>>
>>> *3 works as expected but when I try to use *2 I'm getting those
>>> unexpected results and the far end is experiencing some grief/confusion.
>>>
>>> Am I misunderstanding how this should work?
>>> Or are there any common gotchyas where you'd think you're just
>>> monitoring but it's doing more than that?
>>> Sorry this is a bit vague.. I probably need to bring up another note
>>> and test this and report step by step what's happening.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>> Versions of app_rpt.c which are older than version 0.199 might be
>> sending telemetry to foreign nodes under some
>> conditions, especially if the foreign node is running a really old
>> version of app_rpt.c which does not use the
>> new keying scheme.
>>
>> You should check what version of app_rpt.c you are running and see if
>> the foriegn node is running a really old
>> version of app_rpt.c
>>
>>
>> Steve
>> WA6ZFT
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>>   
> 
You can download and compile app_rpt.c to manually update it, if you feel comfortable with this approach.
This may or may not work depending on how old the code is on your system.

Additionally you may check out a fresh source tree and compile and install the whole enchilada.
This may be the approach which is prudent.

The manual instructions for both methods are located here:

http://app-rpt.qrvc.com/node/29

NB: This is considered an advanced level procedure. Read the instructions carefully! Assume that you will be on your own
if you want to pursue this.

PS: The automated update really hasn't been as powerful as I would have hoped.

Steve
WA6ZFT


From jrorke at cogeco.ca  Sun Nov 29 19:54:52 2009
From: jrorke at cogeco.ca (RED BUTTON MOBILE)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:54:52 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Default *2<node#> MONITOR mode is not just
 monitor to far end.
In-Reply-To: <4B12C1A9.9010003@qrvc.com>
References: <4B11CD25.4070406@michiganbroadband.com>
	<4B11D3BE.90903@qrvc.com>	<4B125F7F.4000308@michiganbroadband.com>
	<4B12C1A9.9010003@qrvc.com>
Message-ID: <4B12D18C.9090303@cogeco.ca>

Ok I did some testing earlier and connected 2377 to node 2357. 2377 has 
V0.203 and is running as a full duplex repeater.
Node 2357 still has V0.192. I connected in monitor mode and it worked 
fine. I connected in Tranceive mode and it fine too.
No repeater tails or other stuff that I can see.
So it seem the versions I have on these nodes are not a problem for now.

Not sure what version Steve G is using but I would seem that the problem 
might be in his node.

Jon VA3RQ

Stephen Rodgers wrote:
> Steve Gladden wrote:
>   
>> Stephen Rodgers wrote:
>>     
>>> Steve Gladden wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Have a node setup (repeater) with usbradio..
>>>> Using mostly default setup.
>>>> at the moment I have rx /repeater setup for carrier access (no ctcss)
>>>>
>>>> Been testing this and the far end nodes report that they get get 
>>>> repeater tones & hang time from me if I try to just 'monitor' them using 
>>>> the *2
>>>> monitor functionality..
>>>>
>>>> *3 works as expected but when I try to use *2 I'm getting those 
>>>> unexpected results and the far end is experiencing some grief/confusion.
>>>>
>>>> Am I misunderstanding how this should work?
>>>> Or are there any common gotchyas where you'd think you're just 
>>>> monitoring but it's doing more than that?
>>>> Sorry this is a bit vague.. I probably need to bring up another note and 
>>>> test this and report step by step what's happening.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Versions of app_rpt.c which are older than version 0.199 might be sending telemetry to foreign nodes under some
>>> conditions, especially if the foreign node is running a really old version of app_rpt.c which does not use the
>>> new keying scheme.
>>>
>>> You should check what version of app_rpt.c you are running and see if the foriegn node is running a really old
>>> version of app_rpt.c
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> WA6ZFT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Hi Steve I have the latest version installed or almost the latest 
>> version (3 days old).
>> So what I'm hearing you say is that the far end may have an older 
>> version (causing this issue) and this is out of my control.
>> Is this correct?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
> I guess the question would be does it do it when connected to my node (2010)?
> Try connecting to me in transceive mode to see if I'm monitoring, then tear down the connection and
> try monitor mode. I'm running the latest app_rpt.c there as well.
>
> Steve
> WA6ZFT
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at qrvc.com
> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
>   


From george at dyb.com  Sun Nov 29 23:18:51 2009
From: george at dyb.com (George Csahanin)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:18:51 -0600
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Getting senile
Message-ID: <000901ca714a$50348be0$0701a8c0@lintv.com>

Simple question everyone, I think.

Trying to upgrade the chan_usbradio.c, never realized I had the original in 
service. I've tried every what I know of to get it into the box, including 
cut and paste, and keep getting this compile error. I've seen this before, 
it seemed to do with CR/LF and UNIX vs. dos, but still seeing this, and when 
I look at the source under vi it looks just fine. Just get compile errors.

I know this just takes a gentle nudge to get me going the right way, and 
after 4 hours I'm going out for din-din...

Enough radio play for one day. Its been a total bust. Upgraded app_rpt too, 
no errors, it just blows up when I run it.

Thanks, and hope everyone had a good holiday weekend.

GeorgeC

W2DB
AllstarLink 2360.

[root at radio asterisk]# make
menuselect/menuselect --check-deps menuselect.makeopts
Generating embedded module rules ...
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/asterisk/utils'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/asterisk/utils'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/asterisk/agi'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/asterisk/agi'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/asterisk/res'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/asterisk/res'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/asterisk/channels'
   [CC] chan_usbradio.c -> chan_usbradio.o
chan_usbradio.c: In function ??~hidthread??T:
chan_usbradio.c:1360: error: ??~t_pmr_chan??T has no member named 
??~txrxblankingtime??T
chan_usbradio.c: In function ??~usbradio_read??T:
chan_usbradio.c:2417: error: ??~struct <anonymous>??T has no member named 
??~txCtcssReady??T
chan_usbradio.c:2430: error: ??~struct <anonymous>??T has no member named 
??~txCtcssReady??T
chan_usbradio.c: In function ??~store_config??T:
chan_usbradio.c:4023: error: ??~RXSQDELAYBUFSIZE??T undeclared (first use in 
this function)
chan_usbradio.c:4023: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only 
once
chan_usbradio.c:4023: error: for each function it appears in.)
chan_usbradio.c:4044: error: ??~t_pmr_chan??T has no member named 
??~rxSquelchDelay??T
chan_usbradio.c:4080: error: ??~t_pmr_chan??T has no member named 
??~txrxblankingtime??T
make[1]: *** [chan_usbradio.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/asterisk/channels'
make: *** [channels] Error 2


George J Csahanin
W2DB
Cedar Park, TX