From lowell.brunson at gmail.com Sat Apr 1 07:37:43 2017 From: lowell.brunson at gmail.com (Lowell) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 00:37:43 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] transmitter stuck on transmit (rabbit hole) Message-ID: I am attempting to run allstar on a raspberry pi 3 occasionally with wifi. I downloaded rpi2_dial_V101.img but it appears to be based on some version of raspbian that doesn't have wifi support. So, I tried http://dvswitch.org/files/DIAL/RAT_RC1.tar.gz which I thought was a later development release but now I see it has an earlier date than "V101". However, wifi does work. I am having a couple of problems though. Sometimes after the transmitter returns to receive the receive audio is no longer present and the sound fob "mic" input appears to be dead. Worse, though, is when I try to get the node to announce something like status ( *712 = status,12 in rpt.conf) the transmitter starts transmitting but there is no audio. When it stops transmitting (maybe a minute or more later) I see a message " NOTICE[15291]: app_rpt.c:10859 rpt_telemetry: Tracepoint rpt_telemetry() exit chan_simpleusb ACRUK dev=usb TX OFF >>". So, I thought I would look at the source code and see what that might mean. Now I am confused about where to get the official source code. I think it is supposed to be at https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL so I started looking at the code there and have decided I might be way down the wrong rabbit hole. Time to reset. Should I go back to V101 or maybe download the source and attempt to build myself or... I saw this message on a resolved issue "feature/serial signaling for USB channel drivers #14" which sound interesting to me because then I could use the same radio interface I use for all my other applications. Any hints would be appreciated. Lowell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szingman at msgstor.com Sat Apr 1 09:09:32 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:09:32 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] transmitter stuck on transmit (rabbit hole) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e2ce5e2-2b40-8287-9a4f-c5073fbc6cb3@msgstor.com> Lowell, RCI is newer. It is the release candidate. The official repository is at The source is at https://github.com/AllStarLink/Asterisk> The master branch. 73, Steve N4IRS On 04/01/2017 03:37 AM, Lowell wrote: > I am attempting to run allstar on a raspberry pi 3 occasionally with > wifi. I downloaded > > rpi2_dial_V101.img > > but it appears to be based on some version of raspbian that doesn't > have wifi support. So, I tried > > http://dvswitch.org/files/DIAL/RAT_RC1.tar.gz which I thought was a > later development release but now I see it has an earlier date than > "V101". However, wifi does work. > > I am having a couple of problems though. Sometimes after the > transmitter returns to receive the receive audio is no longer present > and the sound fob "mic" input appears to be dead. > > Worse, though, is when I try to get the node to announce something > like status ( *712 = status,12 in rpt.conf) the transmitter starts > transmitting but there is no audio. When it stops transmitting (maybe > a minute or more later) I see a message " NOTICE[15291]: > app_rpt.c:10859 rpt_telemetry: Tracepoint rpt_telemetry() exit > chan_simpleusb ACRUK dev=usb TX OFF >>". So, I thought I would look > at the source code and see what that might mean. Now I am confused > about where to get the official source code. I think it is supposed > to be at https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL so I started looking at > the code there and have decided I might be way down the wrong rabbit hole. > > Time to reset. Should I go back to V101 or maybe download the source > and attempt to build myself or... > > I saw this message on a resolved issue "feature/serial signaling for > USB channel drivers #14" which sound interesting to me because then I > could use the same radio interface I use for all my other applications. > > Any hints would be appreciated. > > Lowell > > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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There is one setting on the RTCM unit known as "nodeemp"--anyone got more technical details on how these units are designed and what type of audio the unit is expecting ? Regards Bradley Glen ZS5BG South Africa From kuggie at kuggie.com Sun Apr 2 20:19:44 2017 From: kuggie at kuggie.com (Kevin Custer) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 16:19:44 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Audio too much highs and not balanced when connecting to RTCM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ed8c03f-f112-91b5-c855-f09b24e464da@kuggie.com> The notes in this document may help you: http://www.masterscommunications.com/products/radio-adapter/txt/tkr.txt Kevin On 4/2/2017 2:26 PM, Bradlington wrote: > Hi > I am a custodian for our local clubs repeater and have just installed > the Allstar unit . > > Can you please confirm if emphasis settings can be done on the RTCM > module for both RX and TX audio chains from and to the Repeater. > > TKR-750 External accessory as duplex unit . > > Audio appears to sharp and not enough lows - I am suspecting it is > being double emphasised somewhere in the RTCM. > > There is one setting on the RTCM unit known as "nodeemp"--anyone got > more technical details on how these units are designed and what type > of audio the unit is expecting > ? > Regards > > Bradley Glen > > ZS5BG > > South Africa From kp4tr.ramon at gmail.com Sun Apr 2 20:50:58 2017 From: kp4tr.ramon at gmail.com ((KP4TR)Ramon Gonzalez) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 16:50:58 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] transmitter stuck on transmit (rabbit hole) In-Reply-To: <8e2ce5e2-2b40-8287-9a4f-c5073fbc6cb3@msgstor.com> References: <8e2ce5e2-2b40-8287-9a4f-c5073fbc6cb3@msgstor.com> Message-ID: <40a8c73b-1f8d-d41b-c2c5-ad2803f27706@gmail.com> I just migrated to the RC1 version on a Raspberry PI2 (no wifi) and it works perfectly. Tested it on an RPI3 (with Wifi) and also worked great. Will keep testing it until the official RPI version is released. 73 de KP4TR. On 4/1/2017 5:09 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: > Lowell, > RCI is newer. It is the release candidate. > The official repository is at > The source is at https://github.com/AllStarLink/Asterisk> The master > branch. > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > On 04/01/2017 03:37 AM, Lowell wrote: >> I am attempting to run allstar on a raspberry pi 3 occasionally with >> wifi. I downloaded >> >> rpi2_dial_V101.img >> >> but it appears to be based on some version of raspbian that doesn't >> have wifi support. So, I tried >> >> http://dvswitch.org/files/DIAL/RAT_RC1.tar.gz which I thought was a >> later development release but now I see it has an earlier date than >> "V101". However, wifi does work. >> >> I am having a couple of problems though. Sometimes after the >> transmitter returns to receive the receive audio is no longer present >> and the sound fob "mic" input appears to be dead. >> >> Worse, though, is when I try to get the node to announce something >> like status ( *712 = status,12 in rpt.conf) the transmitter starts >> transmitting but there is no audio. When it stops transmitting >> (maybe a minute or more later) I see a message " NOTICE[15291]: >> app_rpt.c:10859 rpt_telemetry: Tracepoint rpt_telemetry() exit >> chan_simpleusb ACRUK dev=usb TX OFF >>". So, I thought I would look >> at the source code and see what that might mean. Now I am confused >> about where to get the official source code. I think it is supposed >> to be at https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL so I started looking at >> the code there and have decided I might be way down the wrong rabbit >> hole. >> >> Time to reset. Should I go back to V101 or maybe download the source >> and attempt to build myself or... >> >> I saw this message on a resolved issue "feature/serial signaling for >> USB channel drivers #14" which sound interesting to me because then I >> could use the same radio interface I use for all my other applications. >> >> Any hints would be appreciated. >> >> Lowell >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visithttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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URL: From tisawyer at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 00:07:12 2017 From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 17:07:12 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Audio too much highs and not balanced when connecting to RTCM In-Reply-To: <8ed8c03f-f112-91b5-c855-f09b24e464da@kuggie.com> References: <8ed8c03f-f112-91b5-c855-f09b24e464da@kuggie.com> Message-ID: Here's a note I wrote on this subject a while back: The RTCM is totally flexible regarding emphasis. Although the way it is set is completely obscure. It tries to automatically do the right thing for you, which is great most of the time. But when it?s not it's hard to know what is going on. On the TX side the RTCM expects the repeater to accept mic audio. In other words, the repeater is providing the pre-empahais, not the RTCM. This can overridden by setting CTCSS on in voter.conf in which case the RTCM will provide pre-emphasis. If you don?t want TX CTCSS but do need pre-emphasis set the level to 1 which is low enough that it won?t be there. On the RX side the COR Type setting determine the emphasis. 0=Normal means the RTCM squelch circuit is in use and expects discriminator audio, therefore will provide de-emphasis. 1=IGNORE COR uses the CTCSS input for COR (+CTSCC) and expects line audio, therefore will not provide de-emphasis. On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Kevin Custer wrote: > The notes in this document may help you: > http://www.masterscommunications.com/products/radio-adapter/txt/tkr.txt > > Kevin > > > > > On 4/2/2017 2:26 PM, Bradlington wrote: > >> Hi >> I am a custodian for our local clubs repeater and have just installed >> the Allstar unit . >> >> Can you please confirm if emphasis settings can be done on the RTCM >> module for both RX and TX audio chains from and to the Repeater. >> >> TKR-750 External accessory as duplex unit . >> >> Audio appears to sharp and not enough lows - I am suspecting it is being >> double emphasised somewhere in the RTCM. >> >> There is one setting on the RTCM unit known as "nodeemp"--anyone got more >> technical details on how these units are designed and what type of audio >> the unit is expecting >> ? >> Regards >> >> Bradley Glen >> >> ZS5BG >> >> South Africa >> > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c > gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. -- -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From haydenph91 at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 00:11:00 2017 From: haydenph91 at gmail.com (Hayden Honeywood) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:11:00 +1000 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Audio too much highs and not balanced when connecting to RTCM Message-ID: Tim, I thought that setting ctcsslevel to 0 in the RTCM still causes pre-emphasis to happen, aslong as the txtone is set to a value? Does ctcsslevel need to be 1? Hayden -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tisawyer at gmail.com Mon Apr 3 12:48:54 2017 From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 05:48:54 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Audio too much highs and not balanced when connecting to RTCM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My understanding is that it's the level, not the tone that sets preemphasis. On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Hayden Honeywood wrote: > Tim, > I thought that setting ctcsslevel to 0 in the RTCM still causes > pre-emphasis to happen, aslong as the txtone is set to a value? > > Does ctcsslevel need to be 1? > > Hayden > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. > -- -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ve7fet at tparc.org Tue Apr 4 03:12:59 2017 From: ve7fet at tparc.org (Lee Woldanski) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 20:12:59 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Audio too much highs and not balanced when connecting to RTCM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is correct, set the frequency to anything, and the level to 0, and that will have the desired effect. Lee On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Hayden Honeywood wrote: > Tim, > I thought that setting ctcsslevel to 0 in the RTCM still causes > pre-emphasis to happen, aslong as the txtone is set to a value? > > Does ctcsslevel need to be 1? > > Hayden > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. > -- Lee Woldanski, AScT VE7FET -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Duane KA1LM 42996 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szingman at msgstor.com Tue Apr 4 17:09:52 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 13:09:52 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Unable to drop link connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08f6566f-33e5-9467-e66d-c9c659b018a1@msgstor.com> Duane, You will need to update app_rpt stop asterisk cd /usr/src/astsrc-1.4.23-pre/asterisk/apps/ mv app_rpt.c app_rpt.c.bak wget https://github.com/AllStarLink/Asterisk/raw/master/asterisk/apps/app_rpt.c cd /usr/src/astsrc-1.4.23-pre/asterisk/ make make install reboot If you need more help, let me know. 73, Steve N4IRS On 4/4/2017 12:51 PM, DuaneVT . wrote: > I am running DIAL on a fanless computer node. Twice now, my node was > somehow connected to a remote hub...say 42000. The Allstarlink bubble > screen showed 42996 connected to 42000. > I tried : > disconnect 42000 > Telemetry was 42000 disconnected from 42996 > Traffic was still being heard from 42000 > Still showing connected on bubble screen > > disconnect ALL links......no change > disconnect last permanent link connection...no change > > SSH's into node, issued REBOOT. > All clear, no connection heard or shown. > > How is it that somehow a remote connection was made to me at 42996 > without any way to disconnect from my side? > > I did not have SSH/CLI running to see what transactions occurred > during setup of this connection. > > Any ideas? > Duane KA1LM 42996 > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lowell.brunson at gmail.com Tue Apr 4 23:39:51 2017 From: lowell.brunson at gmail.com (Lowell) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 16:39:51 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] event subsystem variable use in system call Message-ID: I am learning about the event subsystem. One of my events looks like this: echo bla ${RPT_ALINKS} >> /tmp/blabla = s|T|RPT_NUMLINKS This executes when I connect. The contents of /tmp/blabla is simply bla. I would have expected ${RPT_ALINKS} to have been expanded. Am I assuming functionality that doesn't exist? Lowell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at midnighteng.com Wed Apr 5 03:54:39 2017 From: mike at midnighteng.com (mike at midnighteng.com) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 23:54:39 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] event subsystem variable use in system call In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think your problem is that you are trying to execute from a linux command and the subsystem resides at the asterisk level. Not that you can do it from there but you must address it where it resides. ...mike/kb8jnm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Users of Asterisk app_rpt" To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 4 Apr 2017 16:39:51 -0700 Subject:[App_rpt-users] event subsystem variable use in system call I am learning about the event subsystem. One of my events looks like this: echo bla ${RPT_ALINKS} >> /tmp/blabla = ?s|T|RPT_NUMLINKS This executes when I connect.? The contents of /tmp/blabla is simply bla.? I would have expected ${RPT_ALINKS} to have been expanded. ? Am I assuming functionality that doesn't exist? Lowell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lowell.brunson at gmail.com Wed Apr 5 07:09:19 2017 From: lowell.brunson at gmail.com (Lowell) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 00:09:19 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] event subsystem variable use in system call In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I was hoping that asterisk would have a way to expand asterisk variables before the shell gets called ( by the s| syntax ). Apparently, asterisk is passing the command as is and the shell is expanding the variable. On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote: > I think your problem is that you are trying to execute from a linux > command and the subsystem resides at the asterisk level. > > Not that you can do it from there but you must address it where it resides. > > > ...mike/kb8jnm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Users of Asterisk app_rpt" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: > Tue, 4 Apr 2017 16:39:51 -0700 > Subject: > [App_rpt-users] event subsystem variable use in system call > > > I am learning about the event subsystem. > > One of my events looks like this: > > echo bla ${RPT_ALINKS} >> /tmp/blabla = s|T|RPT_NUMLINKS > > This executes when I connect. The contents of /tmp/blabla is simply bla. > I would have expected ${RPT_ALINKS} to have been expanded. > > Am I assuming functionality that doesn't exist? > > Lowell > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike at midnighteng.com Wed Apr 5 14:02:52 2017 From: mike at midnighteng.com (mike at midnighteng.com) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 10:02:52 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] event subsystem variable use in system call In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5933209f1649d9f13038c2a577e95ebcc24cac2b@webmail.midnighteng.com> Start by writing your function from asterisk CLI . When it works, convert it to be called from shell. But you are not going to get a asterisk var contents like you are doing. Linux shell does not know what ${RPT_ALINKS} is unless you carry/import? the var from asterisk. Your echo will always be blank. ...mike/kb8jnm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Users of Asterisk app_rpt" To: "Users of Asterisk app_rpt" Cc: Sent: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 00:09:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] event subsystem variable use in system call Well, I was hoping that asterisk would have a way to expand asterisk variables before the shell gets called ( by the s| syntax ).? Apparently, asterisk is passing the command as is and the shell is expanding the variable. ? On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 8:54 PM, wrote: I think your problem is that you are trying to execute from a linux command and the subsystem resides at the asterisk level. Not that you can do it from there but you must address it where it resides. ...mike/kb8jnm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Users of Asterisk app_rpt" To: Cc: Sent: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 16:39:51 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] event subsystem variable use in system call I am learning about the event subsystem. One of my events looks like this: echo bla ${RPT_ALINKS} >> /tmp/blabla = ?s|T|RPT_NUMLINKS This executes when I connect.? The contents of /tmp/blabla is simply bla.? I would have expected ${RPT_ALINKS} to have been expanded. ? Am I assuming functionality that doesn't exist? 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Please post what you are replying to. 73, Steve N4IRS On 04/05/2017 05:43 PM, Winston Jeffery wrote: > Just realised that I didn't include my call sign. > > > J88AZ - Winston > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > *From: *Winston Jeffery > *Sent: *Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:39 PM > *To: *app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > *Subject: *Re: [App_rpt-users] allstar on dial > > > K7ilo1, > > I have the very same problem when I use a SATA drive. If I use an IDE > drive it works flawlessly. The problem is I want to install on a Dell > Optiplex GX620 USFF which doesn't have an IDE port. 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So I decided to switch over to dial from acid so that my system can stay being supported so I installed dial onto a PC based machine. All the articles I have read by doing a Google search says that allstar will start downloading and installing after a few seconds of dial installation. Well, mine hasn't started in 2 days so is there a script somewhere that needs to be started? Im sure this question has popped up but I have forgotten or do not know how to retrieve messages from the archives. Could someone point me in the direction of getting allstar to download and install so that I can set my system back up. Thanks K7ILO cid:image003.jpg at 01CAE6F6.0AC7A5C0 Winston Jeffery Manager P .O. Box 1747 Kingstown, VC0100 St. Vincent and the Grenadines Tel: +1(784) 451-2947 Cel: +1(784) 493-2947 Fax: +1(784) 458-4555 http://www.axisni.com winston.jeffery at axisni.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Winston. > > *K7ILO* k7ilo1 at gmail.com > > /Mon Mar 13 21:22:35 EDT 2017/ > > * Previous message: [App_rpt-users] Simulcasting with RTCM/voter > > * Next message: [App_rpt-users] allstar on dial > > * *Messages sorted by:* [ date ] > > [ thread ] > > [ subject ] > > [ author ] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hello gang. > > So I decided to switch over to dial from acid so that my system can stay being supported so I installed dial onto a PC based machine. > All the articles I have read by doing a Google search says that allstar will start downloading and installing after a few seconds of dial installation. > Well, mine hasn?t started in 2 days so is there a script somewhere that needs to be started? > Im sure this question has popped up but I have forgotten or do not know how to retrieve messages from the archives. > Could someone point me in the direction of getting allstar to download and install so that I can set my system back up. > > Thanks > K7ILO > > cid:image003.jpg at 01CAE6F6.0AC7A5C0 > > Winston Jeffery > > Manager > > P .O. 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URL: From ajp26 at buffalo.edu Fri Apr 14 14:55:52 2017 From: ajp26 at buffalo.edu (Pawlowski, Adam) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 14:55:52 +0000 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Need help - Unexplained noise at startup or asterisk restart Message-ID: If I had to take a guess, it is that your COR or PTT lines from your Pi controller arrangement are normally low or whichever state (not an electronics guy) that it is not in until the apparatus is initialized by bringing the system online. App_rpt can generate some noises at startup, like, an announcement, IP address playout, etc, and it could sound like noise if this is blown way out with your tx volume way up to compensate for RX being too low, but, then your courtesy tones or other things would sound like exploding static as well. I have run into the line thing trying to retro this in place of a device with an embedded controller or modifications that were made by others in the past. Maybe that is it? Adam KC2YQF From bradlington at yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 16:38:31 2017 From: bradlington at yahoo.com (Bradlington) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 18:38:31 +0200 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar locking up Message-ID: <58047af4-5a02-bb6b-516e-7fe42da0d86e@yahoo.com> Good day I have a strange scenario at our radio site . We have a site connected to internet by means of a 3G Cell dongle. The network service provider is our next container . Our experience is ; we have a DMR and an ALLstar RTCM unit connected via an ethernet router , then to the 3G modem /Dongle. At times the Allstar locks up but the DMR continues to operate . At different times I have reset the RTCM by cycling the power as well as resetting the modem /dongle. Each time a different means of fix is noticed ,similarly the DMR DR-3000 Motorola repeater continues to be in the up state. Replaced the router today with a high end SynOptics and it happened again , yet it recovered itself before I could do any intrusive resets ( only happened once ) . Anyone experienced such a case. Regards Bradley Glen South Africa ZS5BG From dpk at randomnotes.org Sat Apr 15 02:34:08 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 19:34:08 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Need help - Unexplained noise at startup or asterisk restart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks everyone. I believe this is now working. Indeed, the carrierfrom setting in simpleusb.conf was 'no' and needed to be 'usbinvert' for an Arcom 210. I also needed to change the duplex setting in rpt.conf from 2 to 0 (for use with a multiport controller like our Arcom). -Doug- On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Pawlowski, Adam wrote: > If I had to take a guess, it is that your COR or PTT lines from your Pi > controller arrangement are normally low or whichever state (not an > electronics guy) that it is not in until the apparatus is initialized by > bringing the system online. App_rpt can generate some noises at startup, > like, an announcement, IP address playout, etc, and it could sound like > noise if this is blown way out with your tx volume way up to compensate for > RX being too low, but, then your courtesy tones or other things would sound > like exploding static as well. > > I have run into the line thing trying to retro this in place of a device > with an embedded controller or modifications that were made by others in > the past. Maybe that is it? > > Adam > KC2YQF > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From irlp8720 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 15 02:37:45 2017 From: irlp8720 at yahoo.com (Steve Agee) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:37:45 -0500 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Need help - Unexplained noise at startup or asterisk restart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <852e32a5-4e2c-3e37-59b6-2620ca3a7ff4@yahoo.com> Don't forget to add "linktolink=yes" in your /etc/asterisk/rpt.conf file, if it applies in your situation with the Arcom. N5ZUA On 4/14/2017 9:34 PM, Doug Kingston wrote: > Thanks everyone. I believe this is now working. Indeed, the > carrierfrom setting in simpleusb.conf was 'no' and needed to be > 'usbinvert' for an Arcom 210. I also needed to change the duplex > setting in rpt.conf from 2 to 0 (for use with a multiport controller > like our Arcom). > > -Doug- > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Pawlowski, Adam > wrote: > > If I had to take a guess, it is that your COR or PTT lines from > your Pi controller arrangement are normally low or whichever state > (not an electronics guy) that it is not in until the apparatus is > initialized by bringing the system online. App_rpt can generate > some noises at startup, like, an announcement, IP address playout, > etc, and it could sound like noise if this is blown way out with > your tx volume way up to compensate for RX being too low, but, > then your courtesy tones or other things would sound like > exploding static as well. > > I have run into the line thing trying to retro this in place of a > device with an embedded controller or modifications that were made > by others in the past. Maybe that is it? > > Adam > KC2YQF > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email > address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. 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URL: From kizzy at lusfiber.net Sat Apr 15 14:46:45 2017 From: kizzy at lusfiber.net (Steve Mahler) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 09:46:45 -0500 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Spurious Echolink Disconnect Message-ID: Has anyone dealt with the following error lines from ?? [Apr 12 11:43:35] ERROR[840] chan_echolink.c: Cannot find DB entry for IP addr 128.235.36.233 [Apr 12 11:45:40] WARNING[875] chan_echolink.c: countdown for KF5VH(128.235.36.233) negative The above seem to be generated with an associated uncommanded Echolink Disconnect. The connection to a PC running DIAL was attempted from the PC Echolink software, using a public proxy, disconnect seems to happen in less than 90 seconds. Connections from the PC to other Echolink servers work without problem. The lines are from /var/log/asterisk/messages. The IP address, I believe, is from the proxy server. There are no recent changes, but I don't know how long this has been happening. Any pointers appreciated. ...STeve - KF5VH From kd8tig at blazingstarradio.com Sat Apr 15 15:18:28 2017 From: kd8tig at blazingstarradio.com (TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG)) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 11:18:28 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with all star link Message-ID: greetings all, I hope someone can help me with this problem I?ve spent months researching and trying ideas to fix without any luck. I have a raspberry pi 3 running dial connected via a usb radio interface by dmk engineering to a Wouxun kg-uv6d. Things are working only half way. Outgoing audio from the pi to the radio is working fine, but not the other way. I can not get audio to go from the radio back into the pi so those on all star link and echo link can hear what is going on on the frequency the radio is set to. my thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer, Ben, (kd8tig) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can not get audio to go from the radio back into the > pi so those on all star link and echo link can hear what is going on > on the frequency the radio is set to. > my thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer, > Ben, (kd8tig) > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a raspberry pi 3 running dial connected via a usb radio interface by dmk engineering to a Wouxun kg-uv6d. Things are working only half way. Outgoing audio from the pi to the radio is working fine, but not the other way. I can not get audio to go from the radio back into the pi so those on all star link and echo link can hear what is going on on the frequency the radio is set to. my thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer, Ben, (kd8tig) _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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I have never tried this but, can you see the receive audio in the radio tune menu? 73, Steve N4IRS On 04/15/2017 12:12 PM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: > hi, > Thanks for taking the time to read this and to try and help. > I currently have carrierfrom set to vox. > kind regards, > Ben, (kd8tig) > *From:* Steve Zingman > *Sent:* Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:20 AM > *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt > > *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with > all star link > How are you doing carrier detect? > > On 04/15/2017 11:18 AM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: >> greetings all, >> I hope someone can help me with this problem I?ve spent months >> researching and trying ideas to fix without any luck. I have a >> raspberry pi 3 running dial connected via a usb radio interface by >> dmk engineering to a Wouxun kg-uv6d. Things are working only half >> way. Outgoing audio from the pi to the radio is working fine, but >> not the other way. I can not get audio to go from the radio back >> into the pi so those on all star link and echo link can hear what is >> going on on the frequency the radio is set to. >> my thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer, >> Ben, (kd8tig) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visithttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Did you opt to do the jumper mod or decide to leave well enough alone? -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On Apr 15, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Steve Zingman wrote: > > ; txctcssdefault = 100.0 ; default TX CTCSS frequency, any frequency permitted > ; rxctcssfreqs = 100.0,91.5 ; RX CTCSS frequencies list in floating point. must be in table > ; txctcssfreqs = 100.0,91.5 ; TX CTCSS frequencies list. any frequency permitted. will follow RX CTCSS frequency > > carrierfrom = vox > > ctcssfrom = no > > rxdemod = speaker > > You should be set in usbradio.conf like above. > I have never tried this but, can you see the receive audio in the radio tune menu? > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > On 04/15/2017 12:12 PM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: >> hi, >> Thanks for taking the time to read this and to try and help. >> I currently have carrierfrom set to vox. >> kind regards, >> Ben, (kd8tig) >> >> From: Steve Zingman >> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:20 AM >> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt >> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with all star link >> >> How are you doing carrier detect? >> >> On 04/15/2017 11:18 AM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: >>> greetings all, >>> >>> I hope someone can help me with this problem I?ve spent months researching and trying ideas to fix without any luck. I have a raspberry pi 3 running dial connected via a usb radio interface by dmk engineering to a Wouxun kg-uv6d. Things are working only half way. Outgoing audio from the pi to the radio is working fine, but not the other way. I can not get audio to go from the radio back into the pi so those on all star link and echo link can hear what is going on on the frequency the radio is set to. >>> >>> my thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer, >>> Ben, (kd8tig) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> App_rpt-users mailing list >>> >>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit >>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>> and scroll down to the bottom of the page. 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From kd8tig at blazingstarradio.com Sat Apr 15 17:38:57 2017 From: kd8tig at blazingstarradio.com (TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG)) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:38:57 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with all star link In-Reply-To: <5dbd07b8-4e23-4078-0bca-09390c2c0eca@msgstor.com> References: <4be5e853-37ea-6d26-8d47-ff9a64b62d6f@msgstor.com> <69F48797E5E245C5B13ED3C363DFBBC3@skydancerskdanc> <5dbd07b8-4e23-4078-0bca-09390c2c0eca@msgstor.com> Message-ID: hi again, I made sure my settings match your suggestions. it is an improvement for sure. it does now at least acknowledge a transmission on the frequency and key up, but now to figure out why I hear only what I think is a courtesy tone without the test audio I transmitted. I think you may have something there, it is likely a problem with the receive audio. I tried checking that with radio-tune-menu. The text it shows is rather strange. I am totally blind, and use a screen reader, so if its displaying pictures, or graphics I have no clue about that. My screen reader software only reads text. What little text I was able to get, for what its worth, looks like this. RX VOICE DISPLAY: v -- 3KHz v -- 5KHz kind regards, Ben, (kd8tig) From: Steve Zingman Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:31 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with all star link ; txctcssdefault = 100.0 ; default TX CTCSS frequency, any frequency permitted ; rxctcssfreqs = 100.0,91.5 ; RX CTCSS frequencies list in floating point. must be in table ; txctcssfreqs = 100.0,91.5 ; TX CTCSS frequencies list. any frequency permitted. will follow RX CTCSS frequency carrierfrom = vox ctcssfrom = no rxdemod = speaker You should be set in usbradio.conf like above. I have never tried this but, can you see the receive audio in the radio tune menu? 73, Steve N4IRS On 04/15/2017 12:12 PM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: hi, Thanks for taking the time to read this and to try and help. I currently have carrierfrom set to vox. kind regards, Ben, (kd8tig) From: Steve Zingman Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:20 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with all star link How are you doing carrier detect? On 04/15/2017 11:18 AM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: greetings all, I hope someone can help me with this problem I?ve spent months researching and trying ideas to fix without any luck. I have a raspberry pi 3 running dial connected via a usb radio interface by dmk engineering to a Wouxun kg-uv6d. Things are working only half way. Outgoing audio from the pi to the radio is working fine, but not the other way. 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Did you opt to do the jumper mod or decide to leave well enough alone? > > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: 814-860-3194 > Mobile: 814-431-0962 > Email: buddy at brannan.name > > > > >> On Apr 15, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Steve Zingman wrote: >> >> ; txctcssdefault = 100.0 ; default TX CTCSS frequency, any frequency permitted >> ; rxctcssfreqs = 100.0,91.5 ; RX CTCSS frequencies list in floating point. must be in table >> ; txctcssfreqs = 100.0,91.5 ; TX CTCSS frequencies list. any frequency permitted. will follow RX CTCSS frequency >> >> carrierfrom = vox >> >> ctcssfrom = no >> >> rxdemod = speaker >> >> You should be set in usbradio.conf like above. >> I have never tried this but, can you see the receive audio in the radio tune menu? >> >> 73, Steve N4IRS >> >> On 04/15/2017 12:12 PM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: >>> hi, >>> Thanks for taking the time to read this and to try and help. >>> I currently have carrierfrom set to vox. >>> kind regards, >>> Ben, (kd8tig) >>> >>> From: Steve Zingman >>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:20 AM >>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt >>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with all star link >>> >>> How are you doing carrier detect? >>> >>> On 04/15/2017 11:18 AM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: >>>> greetings all, >>>> >>>> I hope someone can help me with this problem I?ve spent months researching and trying ideas to fix without any luck. I have a raspberry pi 3 running dial connected via a usb radio interface by dmk engineering to a Wouxun kg-uv6d. Things are working only half way. Outgoing audio from the pi to the radio is working fine, but not the other way. I can not get audio to go from the radio back into the pi so those on all star link and echo link can hear what is going on on the frequency the radio is set to. >>>> >>>> my thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer, >>>> Ben, (kd8tig) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> App_rpt-users mailing list >>>> >>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit >>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>>> and scroll down to the bottom of the page. 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From kd8tig at blazingstarradio.com Sat Apr 15 17:55:29 2017 From: kd8tig at blazingstarradio.com (TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG)) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:55:29 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with all star link In-Reply-To: References: <4be5e853-37ea-6d26-8d47-ff9a64b62d6f@msgstor.com> <69F48797E5E245C5B13ED3C363DFBBC3@skydancerskdanc> <5dbd07b8-4e23-4078-0bca-09390c2c0eca@msgstor.com> <687203E7-6962-45A2-8C16-A1EF5B7E94E0@brannan.name> Message-ID: I just left well enough alone. beginning to wonder if maybe I should have done it though. From: Buddy Brannan Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 1:51 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with all star link Ooooops, I responded to the wrong thingy, so this totally doesn't make any sense. Sorry y'all. Stand back, I'm a professional. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On Apr 15, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > > Oh yeah, forgot to ask. Did you opt to do the jumper mod or decide to leave well enough alone? > > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: 814-860-3194 > Mobile: 814-431-0962 > Email: buddy at brannan.name > > > > >> On Apr 15, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Steve Zingman wrote: >> >> ; txctcssdefault = 100.0 ; default TX CTCSS frequency, any frequency permitted >> ; rxctcssfreqs = 100.0,91.5 ; RX CTCSS frequencies list in floating point. must be in table >> ; txctcssfreqs = 100.0,91.5 ; TX CTCSS frequencies list. any frequency permitted. will follow RX CTCSS frequency >> >> carrierfrom = vox >> >> ctcssfrom = no >> >> rxdemod = speaker >> >> You should be set in usbradio.conf like above. >> I have never tried this but, can you see the receive audio in the radio tune menu? >> >> 73, Steve N4IRS >> >> On 04/15/2017 12:12 PM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: >>> hi, >>> Thanks for taking the time to read this and to try and help. >>> I currently have carrierfrom set to vox. >>> kind regards, >>> Ben, (kd8tig) >>> >>> From: Steve Zingman >>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 11:20 AM >>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt >>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] issues getting a kg-uv6d working with all star link >>> >>> How are you doing carrier detect? >>> >>> On 04/15/2017 11:18 AM, TheSkyDancer (KD8TIG) wrote: >>>> greetings all, >>>> >>>> I hope someone can help me with this problem I?ve spent months researching and trying ideas to fix without any luck. I have a raspberry pi 3 running dial connected via a usb radio interface by dmk engineering to a Wouxun kg-uv6d. Things are working only half way. Outgoing audio from the pi to the radio is working fine, but not the other way. I can not get audio to go from the radio back into the pi so those on all star link and echo link can hear what is going on on the frequency the radio is set to. >>>> >>>> my thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer, >>>> Ben, (kd8tig) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> App_rpt-users mailing list >>>> >>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit >>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>>> and scroll down to the bottom of the page. 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URL: From dpk at randomnotes.org Sat Apr 15 18:38:13 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 11:38:13 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet Message-ID: As I am sure many of you are aware, the WebTransceiver has been rendered largely useless by the deprecation of Java support in many major browsers. Even where it can still be used (e.g. Safari), the process to enable it is convoluted and a challenge for many users. Is there any project underway to develop either a standalone app or a modern browser based application in HTML5 or JavaScript that will replace this very useful capability. Lack of an authenticated client for general hams to use to access Allstar nodes is probably the major impediment to much stronger adoption of Allstar. With the uniformly poor audio quality of Echolink being promulgated by its ease of use, we really need an authenticated access method for Allstar that is as easy to use as the Echolink clients. I am willing to help if there is a path forward here. Is there a better list to discuss this? Lets discuss, -Doug-, KD7DK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wa3dsp at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 20:24:03 2017 From: wa3dsp at gmail.com (Doug Crompton) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 16:24:03 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem - see - https://fedoramagazine.org/firefox-npapi-plugins-fedora/ https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Manage-preferences-and-add-ons/Use-the-Java-plugin-to-view-interactive-content-on-websites/ta-p/3244 Perhaps the best way is to install an old browser version just for using the web transceiver. but honestly with portable nodes, iaxrpt, the phone portal, sip connections, echolink, etc. why do we really need it. I can count on one hand the times I have used it in four years and then only to play. It never worked that well anyway. Its like Echolink, it uses the computer mic and speakers and its quality is only as good as those are which often is not very good. Most everyone now has a smart phone. From it you can ssh into your node and use iaxrpt, echolink, or other sip application for voice. You could also build a "radioless" portable node that uses your phone as a hotspot or add a radio for extended range. If a user wants to try out Allstar or connect to an Allstar node to talk to a buddy they could use Echolink by connecting to the many nodes that support it. My vote for what it counts would be to take it off allstarlink.org altogether. If something is not there no one can complain about it not working! *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Doug Kingston wrote: > As I am sure many of you are aware, the WebTransceiver has been rendered > largely useless by the deprecation of Java support in many major browsers. > Even where it can still be used (e.g. Safari), the process to enable it is > convoluted and a challenge for many users. Is there any project underway > to develop either a standalone app or a modern browser based application in > HTML5 or JavaScript that will replace this very useful capability. Lack of > an authenticated client for general hams to use to access Allstar nodes is > probably the major impediment to much stronger adoption of Allstar. With > the uniformly poor audio quality of Echolink being promulgated by its ease > of use, we really need an authenticated access method for Allstar that is > as easy to use as the Echolink clients. > > I am willing to help if there is a path forward here. Is there a better > list to discuss this? > > Lets discuss, > -Doug-, KD7DK > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bbrown at byrg.net Sat Apr 15 20:27:18 2017 From: bbrown at byrg.net (=?UTF-8?B?Qm9iIEJyb3duIC0gV8OYTlFY?=) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 15:27:18 -0500 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is the best way.... the K5TRA web transceiver.... IMHO https://w0nqx.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-k5tra-allstar-web-transceiver.html -- Thanks in Advance Bob, W?NQX Kansas City Metro Area http://drsm0ke.net http://byrg.net http://sm0kenet.net Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Doug Crompton wrote: > If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem - > see - > > https://fedoramagazine.org/firefox-npapi-plugins-fedora/ > > https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Manage-preferences-and-add- > ons/Use-the-Java-plugin-to-view-interactive-content-on-websites/ta-p/3244 > > Perhaps the best way is to install an old browser version just for using > the web transceiver. > > but honestly with portable nodes, iaxrpt, the phone portal, sip > connections, echolink, etc. why do we really need it. I can count on one > hand the times I have used it in four years and then only to play. It never > worked that well anyway. Its like Echolink, it uses the computer mic and > speakers and its quality is only as good as those are which often is not > very good. Most everyone now has a smart phone. From it you can ssh into > your node and use iaxrpt, echolink, or other sip application for voice. You > could also build a "radioless" portable node that uses your phone as a > hotspot or add a radio for extended range. > > If a user wants to try out Allstar or connect to an Allstar node to talk > to a buddy they could use Echolink by connecting to the many nodes that > support it. > > My vote for what it counts would be to take it off allstarlink.org > altogether. If something is not there no one can complain about it not > working! > > > > *73 Doug* > > *WA3DSP* > > *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Doug Kingston > wrote: > >> As I am sure many of you are aware, the WebTransceiver has been rendered >> largely useless by the deprecation of Java support in many major browsers. >> Even where it can still be used (e.g. Safari), the process to enable it is >> convoluted and a challenge for many users. Is there any project underway >> to develop either a standalone app or a modern browser based application in >> HTML5 or JavaScript that will replace this very useful capability. Lack of >> an authenticated client for general hams to use to access Allstar nodes is >> probably the major impediment to much stronger adoption of Allstar. With >> the uniformly poor audio quality of Echolink being promulgated by its ease >> of use, we really need an authenticated access method for Allstar that is >> as easy to use as the Echolink clients. >> >> I am willing to help if there is a path forward here. Is there a better >> list to discuss this? >> >> Lets discuss, >> -Doug-, KD7DK >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of >> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit >> options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email >> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to >> the list detailing the problem. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szingman at msgstor.com Sat Apr 15 20:31:44 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:31:44 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet Message-ID: <-2074968552771787198@unknownmsgid> Actually the discussion amongst the dev team is, if it is replaced, use HTML5. Again, if. Sent via smoke signal (AT&T) On Apr 15, 2017 4:24 PM, Doug Crompton wrote: If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem - see - https://fedoramagazine.org/firefox-npapi-plugins-fedora/ https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Manage-preferences-and-add-ons/Use-the-Java-plugin-to-view-interactive-content-on-websites/ta-p/3244 Perhaps the best way is to install an old browser version just for using the web transceiver. but honestly with portable nodes, iaxrpt, the phone portal, sip connections, echolink, etc. why do we really need it. I can count on one hand the times I have used it in four years and then only to play. It never worked that well anyway. Its like Echolink, it uses the computer mic and speakers and its quality is only as good as those are which often is not very good. Most everyone now has a smart phone. From it you can ssh into your node and use iaxrpt, echolink, or other sip application for voice. You could also build a "radioless" portable node that uses your phone as a hotspot or add a radio for extended range. If a user wants to try out Allstar or connect to an Allstar node to talk to a buddy they could use Echolink by connecting to the many nodes that support it. My vote for what it counts would be to take it off allstarlink.org altogether. If something is not there no one can complain about it not working! *73 Doug* *WA3DSP* *http://www.crompton.com/hamradio * On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Doug Kingston wrote: > As I am sure many of you are aware, the WebTransceiver has been rendered > largely useless by the deprecation of Java support in many major browsers. > Even where it can still be used (e.g. Safari), the process to enable it is > convoluted and a challenge for many users. Is there any project underway > to develop either a standalone app or a modern browser based application in > HTML5 or JavaScript that will replace this very useful capability. Lack of > an authenticated client for general hams to use to access Allstar nodes is > probably the major impediment to much stronger adoption of Allstar. With > the uniformly poor audio quality of Echolink being promulgated by its ease > of use, we really need an authenticated access method for Allstar that is > as easy to use as the Echolink clients. > > I am willing to help if there is a path forward here. Is there a better > list to discuss this? > > Lets discuss, > -Doug-, KD7DK > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. 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From tisawyer at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 20:37:21 2017 From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:37:21 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is no effort to replace or improve the web transceiver that I know about. It would be really great if someone could figure out how to do that with HTML5 etc. There are some interesting developments in later versions of Asterisk that would support such an effort but getting app_rpt working there is another hurdle yet to be accomplished. For now these instructions might help. https://hamvoip.org/docs/WebTransceiverSetupHelp.pdf On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Doug Kingston wrote: > As I am sure many of you are aware, the WebTransceiver has been rendered > largely useless by the deprecation of Java support in many major browsers. > Even where it can still be used (e.g. Safari), the process to enable it is > convoluted and a challenge for many users. Is there any project underway > to develop either a standalone app or a modern browser based application in > HTML5 or JavaScript that will replace this very useful capability. Lack of > an authenticated client for general hams to use to access Allstar nodes is > probably the major impediment to much stronger adoption of Allstar. With > the uniformly poor audio quality of Echolink being promulgated by its ease > of use, we really need an authenticated access method for Allstar that is > as easy to use as the Echolink clients. > > I am willing to help if there is a path forward here. Is there a better > list to discuss this? > > Lets discuss, > -Doug-, KD7DK > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. > -- -- Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lack of > an authenticated client for general hams to use to access Allstar nodes is > probably the major impediment to much stronger adoption of Allstar. With > the uniformly poor audio quality of Echolink being promulgated by its ease > of use, we really need an authenticated access method for Allstar that is > as easy to use as the Echolink clients. > > I am willing to help if there is a path forward here. Is there a better > list to discuss this? > > Lets discuss, > -Doug-, KD7DK > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. 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From waynehale at mac.com Sat Apr 15 21:34:56 2017 From: waynehale at mac.com (Wayne Hale) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:34:56 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: <-2637872146857853161@unknownmsgid> References: <-2637872146857853161@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <3fdc19be-25fd-5c77-1064-8352aaad18e5@mac.com> I'm in favor of fixing or replacing Webtranceiver. I've used it successfully for many years, up to Windows 10. Windows 10 seems to protest Java security settings but Windows 7 works fine on all of my systems including OS X on the Mac. I've had no problems running webtranceiver under several versions of Linux, Ubuntu 11.04 and Mint 18 but use the open source Iced Tea substitute for Java which works fine with Firefox on all of the above mentioned varieties of Linux. I have a Kenwood TMG-707 remote base and really like the display of frequency, tone, offset and power level as displayed in the webtranceiver window along with the node numbers of what ever else may be connected. No need to look at the bubble chart or issue DTMF commands to query the node as to what frequency it is set to. My associated webpage shows the standard list of commands plus a shortcut chart to over 20 preset frequencies accessed by *000 through *020. Once a change frequency command is issued from the webtranceiver keypad, I get instant feedback as to whether the command went through or not and what the new settings are. Iaxrpt is a great program but only works if you have access to the credentials of the node(s) you are trying to connect to. Unless I'm missing something, you need the Public IP address of an external node to use Iaxrpt along with the user name and password for that particular node. If setup correctly in the Allstar server setup, none of that information is needed, just point, click and you are connected. What could be simpler than just browsing the webtranceiver window, click on any arbitrary node number and be connected with instant feedback as to what else might be connected to that node, and if setup correctly, what the node is, it's frequency and tone. Yes, you can do most of this with a standalone, simplex or radio-less node but not nearly as easy as using webtranceiver especially for someone just getting started and who probably doesn't have any of the above. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer but would consider donating to the cause if someone steps up and tries to fix or replace the features Webtranceiver provides. Wayne W6IZK On 4/15/2017 1:57 PM, Steve Zingman wrote: > > Tim is the primary on the web pages. As he says, there is a lot of > other work going on by the teams. This might be a starting point IF it > were to go forward. > > https://www.doubango.org/sipml5/ > > Sent via smoke signal (AT&T) > > On Apr 15, 2017 4:37 PM, Tim Sawyer There is no effort to replace or improve the web transceiver that I > know about. It would be really great if someone could figure out how > to do that with HTML5 etc. There are some interesting developments in > later versions of Asterisk that would support such an effort but > getting app_rpt working there is another hurdle yet to be accomplished. > > For now these instructions might help. > https://hamvoip.org/docs/WebTransceiverSetupHelp.pdf > > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Doug Kingston > wrote: > > As I am sure many of you are aware, the WebTransceiver has been > rendered largely useless by the deprecation of Java support in > many major browsers. Even where it can still be used (e.g. > Safari), the process to enable it is convoluted and a challenge > for many users. Is there any project underway to develop either a > standalone app or a modern browser based application in HTML5 or > JavaScript that will replace this very useful capability. Lack of > an authenticated client for general hams to use to access Allstar > nodes is probably the major impediment to much stronger adoption > of Allstar. With the uniformly poor audio quality of Echolink > being promulgated by its ease of use, we really need an > authenticated access method for Allstar that is as easy to use as > the Echolink clients. > > I am willing to help if there is a path forward here. Is there a > better list to discuss this? > > Lets discuss, > -Doug-, KD7DK > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email > address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a > message to the list detailing the problem. > > > > > -- > -- > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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URL: From n7jct at aplaceonthe.net Sat Apr 15 22:48:44 2017 From: n7jct at aplaceonthe.net (Thor Wiegman) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 15:48:44 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet (Doug Crompton) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ad5c706-5d3e-f620-e66e-183a8588e541@aplaceonthe.net> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have little or no need for the web transceiver. Most of us on this list won't have use for it. Anyone who's come so far as to building their own node and subscribing to this list has likely exceeded what that web transceiver could do for them. Consider however that there is a different market, a different audience for a web transceiver. I know that I'm not the only one who got involved in this through exploration with the web transceiver. So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool. It can be, if it works well and is designed properly, a great tool for someone to take that first step in finding out what all this is about. Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi. Getting kids into programming and using these devices to do things, control things and such. Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the attention of that same audience. App_rpt and Allstarlink are great for that. But this audience doesn't come to us with anything more than a very basic, novice background at first. A web transceiver seems like a handy tool for those new young hams to explore. There's my long winded $0.02 73 Thor (N7JCT) > Subject: > Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet > From: > Doug Crompton > Date: > 04/15/2017 01:24 PM > > To: > Users of Asterisk app_rpt > > > If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kk4zkp at gmail.com Sat Apr 15 23:59:14 2017 From: kk4zkp at gmail.com (Andy Wittman) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 19:59:14 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet (Doug Crompton) In-Reply-To: <9ad5c706-5d3e-f620-e66e-183a8588e541@aplaceonthe.net> References: <9ad5c706-5d3e-f620-e66e-183a8588e541@aplaceonthe.net> Message-ID: <5CD26D90-47D0-4ECC-87BD-95FDD7F784AA@gmail.com> I would also be interested in a better web transceiver. Preferably something that works on mobile or tablet as well. I travel a lot and being able to link into my home repeaters with EchoLink is very nice. Not something that is currently easy with Allstar. +1 for updating web transceiver. Andy KK4ZKP > On Apr 15, 2017, at 18:48, Thor Wiegman wrote: > > It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have little or no need for the web transceiver. Most of us on this list won't have use for it. Anyone who's come so far as to building their own node and subscribing to this list has likely exceeded what that web transceiver could do for them. > > Consider however that there is a different market, a different audience for a web transceiver. I know that I'm not the only one who got involved in this through exploration with the web transceiver. > > So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool. It can be, if it works well and is designed properly, a great tool for someone to take that first step in finding out what all this is about. > > Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi. Getting kids into programming and using these devices to do things, control things and such. Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the attention of that same audience. App_rpt and Allstarlink are great for that. But this audience doesn't come to us with anything more than a very basic, novice background at first. A web transceiver seems like a handy tool for those new young hams to explore. > > There's my long winded $0.02 > 73 > Thor (N7JCT) > > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet >> From: Doug Crompton >> Date: 04/15/2017 01:24 PM >> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt >> If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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If we really want to get the attention of teens and twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our tactics to the way they live; how often do you see one without a smartphone somewhere on their person? Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered too) that supports the features of the current Web Transceiver and you'll have a tool that everyone can use and still have the browser free for other things. Matthew Pitts N8OHU -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szingman at msgstor.com Mon Apr 17 12:47:16 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 08:47:16 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: <9ad5c706-5d3e-f620-e66e-183a8588e541@aplaceonthe.net> Message-ID: As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked at to evaluate if and how it can be moved forward. A one size fits all solution will not adequately work on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a must. As of right now for access to specific nodes the choices are Zopier and Android IAXRPT. Zopier runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes. The Web Transceiver is more general. 73, Steve N4IRS On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote: > Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry Pi, but look at > what Hams have done with it, in its various forms. AllStar nodes, > whether DIAL or the distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode > Digital Voice nodes using various interface devices like the MMDVM or > DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. Echolink/IRLP nodes. If we really want to get the > attention of teens and twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to > adapt our tactics to the way they live; how often do you see one > without a smartphone somewhere on their person? Create an app (or two, > as iOS should be covered too) that supports the features of the > current Web Transceiver and you'll have a tool that everyone can use > and still have the browser free for other things. > > Matthew Pitts > N8OHU > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman > wrote: > > It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have little > or no need for the web transceiver. Most of us on this list won't > have use for it. Anyone who's come so far as to building their > own node and subscribing to this list has likely exceeded what > that web transceiver could do for them. > > Consider however that there is a different market, a different > audience for a web transceiver. I know that I'm not the only one > who got involved in this through exploration with the web > transceiver. > > So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool. It can > be, if it works well and is designed properly, a great tool for > someone to take that first step in finding out what all this is about. > > Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi. Getting kids > into programming and using these devices to do things, control > things and such. Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the > attention of that same audience. App_rpt and Allstarlink are > great for that. But this audience doesn't come to us with > anything more than a very basic, novice background at first. A > web transceiver seems like a handy tool for those new young hams > to explore. > > There's my long winded $0.02 > 73 > Thor (N7JCT) > > > > > >> Subject: >> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet >> From: >> Doug Crompton >> Date: >> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM >> >> To: >> Users of Asterisk app_rpt >> >> >> If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the >> problem > > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Phone:618-553-0806 Fax: 1-618-551-2755 Email: lorentedford at gmail.com Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com http://www.lorentedford.com http://www.kc9zhv.com http://forum.kc9zhv.com http://hub.kc9zhv.com http://Ltcraft.net http://voipham.com On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: > As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked at to evaluate if and > how it can be moved forward. A one size fits all solution will not > adequately work on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a must. As > of right now for access to specific nodes the choices are Zopier and > Android IAXRPT. Zopier runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course > runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes. The Web Transceiver > is more general. > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote: > > Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry Pi, but look at what > Hams have done with it, in its various forms. AllStar nodes, whether DIAL > or the distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode Digital Voice nodes > using various interface devices like the MMDVM or DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. > Echolink/IRLP nodes. If we really want to get the attention of teens and > twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our tactics to the way > they live; how often do you see one without a smartphone somewhere on their > person? Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered too) that supports > the features of the current Web Transceiver and you'll have a tool that > everyone can use and still have the browser free for other things. > > Matthew Pitts > N8OHU > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman > wrote: >> >> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have little or no >> need for the web transceiver. Most of us on this list won't have use for >> it. Anyone who's come so far as to building their own node and subscribing >> to this list has likely exceeded what that web transceiver could do for >> them. >> >> Consider however that there is a different market, a different audience >> for a web transceiver. I know that I'm not the only one who got involved >> in this through exploration with the web transceiver. >> >> So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool. It can be, if >> it works well and is designed properly, a great tool for someone to take >> that first step in finding out what all this is about. >> >> Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi. Getting kids into >> programming and using these devices to do things, control things and such. >> Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the attention of that same audience. >> App_rpt and Allstarlink are great for that. But this audience doesn't come >> to us with anything more than a very basic, novice background at first. A >> web transceiver seems like a handy tool for those new young hams to explore. >> >> There's my long winded $0.02 >> 73 >> Thor (N7JCT) >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: >> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet >> >> From: >> Doug Crompton >> >> Date: >> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM >> >> To: >> Users of Asterisk app_rpt >> >> If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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If this can be done this will mean its comparable via any > mobile web browser out on the market today.. All the user would have > to do is login to the website etc.. So exactly how does the web > transceiver talk to the allstarlink network??? What exactly is going > on in the back end of things?? > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 > Email: lorentedford at gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman > wrote: > > As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked at to evaluate > if and how it can be moved forward. A one size fits all solution > will not adequately work on all platforms. Support for mobile > devices is a must. As of right now for access to specific nodes > the choices are Zopier and Android IAXRPT. Zopier runs on IOS and > Android. Android IAXRPT of course runs on Android and is tailored > to AllStarLink nodes. The Web Transceiver is more general. > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote: >> Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry Pi, but look >> at what Hams have done with it, in its various forms. AllStar >> nodes, whether DIAL or the distribution Doug helped develop. >> Multi-mode Digital Voice nodes using various interface devices >> like the MMDVM or DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. Echolink/IRLP nodes. If we >> really want to get the attention of teens and twenty-somethings, >> and keep it, we need to adapt our tactics to the way they live; >> how often do you see one without a smartphone somewhere on their >> person? Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered too) that >> supports the features of the current Web Transceiver and you'll >> have a tool that everyone can use and still have the browser free >> for other things. >> >> Matthew Pitts >> N8OHU >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman >> wrote: >> >> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have >> little or no need for the web transceiver. Most of us on >> this list won't have use for it. Anyone who's come so far as >> to building their own node and subscribing to this list has >> likely exceeded what that web transceiver could do for them. >> >> Consider however that there is a different market, a >> different audience for a web transceiver. I know that I'm >> not the only one who got involved in this through exploration >> with the web transceiver. >> >> So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool. It >> can be, if it works well and is designed properly, a great >> tool for someone to take that first step in finding out what >> all this is about. >> >> Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi. Getting >> kids into programming and using these devices to do things, >> control things and such. Ham radio needs to attract, and >> keep, the attention of that same audience. App_rpt and >> Allstarlink are great for that. But this audience doesn't >> come to us with anything more than a very basic, novice >> background at first. A web transceiver seems like a handy >> tool for those new young hams to explore. >> >> There's my long winded $0.02 >> 73 >> Thor (N7JCT) >> >> >> >> >> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet >>> From: >>> Doug Crompton >>> Date: >>> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM >>> >>> To: >>> Users of Asterisk app_rpt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around >>> the problem >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visithttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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URL: From lorentedford at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 14:57:26 2017 From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 09:57:26 -0500 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: <9ad5c706-5d3e-f620-e66e-183a8588e541@aplaceonthe.net> Message-ID: Interesting so all it is is IAX traffic between the webpage and asterisk?? How does it verify the pass code etc?? I take it their must be a main frame asterisk node setup some where that handles this iax traffic.. I didn't realize this!! I agree a application for the platforms would be nice like windows phone and android along with iphone.. I still don't understand why people use iphones but thats my personal preference i guess.. Anyway how hard would it be to take the iaxrpt that you created and port it to iphone?? How hard would it be to take the iaxrpt and make it connect just like the transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be some thing to think about for future development but i still think we should have a pc based way to communicate like a web browser based client.. You just never know how that might come in handy some day when handling large amounts of traffic.. Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Phone:618-553-0806 Fax: 1-618-551-2755 Email: lorentedford at gmail.com Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com http://www.lorentedford.com http://www.kc9zhv.com http://forum.kc9zhv.com http://hub.kc9zhv.com http://Ltcraft.net http://voipham.com On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: > Loren, > You missed my comment about one size fits all. A app written for a mobile > device will take advantage of options not available to a web interface. It > is far better to use a app written for the platform. For the web platform > HTML5 may be a good choice. The Web Transceiver talks to the ASL network > via IAX. > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren Tedford wrote: > > Steve I still like the idea that we are at least talking about fixing the > Web Transceiver if i knew a little more about it maybe we could figure out > how to make the web transceiver work in html mostly instead of java.. If > this can be done this will mean its comparable via any mobile web browser > out on the market today.. All the user would have to do is login to the > website etc.. So exactly how does the web transceiver talk to the > allstarlink network??? What exactly is going on in the back end of things?? > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 <(618)%20553-0806> > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755> > Email: lorentedford at gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman > wrote: > >> As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked at to evaluate if and >> how it can be moved forward. A one size fits all solution will not >> adequately work on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a must. As >> of right now for access to specific nodes the choices are Zopier and >> Android IAXRPT. Zopier runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course >> runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes. The Web Transceiver >> is more general. >> >> 73, Steve N4IRS >> >> On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote: >> >> Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry Pi, but look at what >> Hams have done with it, in its various forms. AllStar nodes, whether DIAL >> or the distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode Digital Voice nodes >> using various interface devices like the MMDVM or DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. >> Echolink/IRLP nodes. If we really want to get the attention of teens and >> twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our tactics to the way >> they live; how often do you see one without a smartphone somewhere on their >> person? Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered too) that supports >> the features of the current Web Transceiver and you'll have a tool that >> everyone can use and still have the browser free for other things. >> >> Matthew Pitts >> N8OHU >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman >> wrote: >>> >>> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have little or no >>> need for the web transceiver. Most of us on this list won't have use for >>> it. Anyone who's come so far as to building their own node and subscribing >>> to this list has likely exceeded what that web transceiver could do for >>> them. >>> >>> Consider however that there is a different market, a different audience >>> for a web transceiver. I know that I'm not the only one who got involved >>> in this through exploration with the web transceiver. >>> >>> So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool. It can be, if >>> it works well and is designed properly, a great tool for someone to take >>> that first step in finding out what all this is about. >>> >>> Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi. Getting kids into >>> programming and using these devices to do things, control things and such. >>> Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the attention of that same audience. >>> App_rpt and Allstarlink are great for that. But this audience doesn't come >>> to us with anything more than a very basic, novice background at first. A >>> web transceiver seems like a handy tool for those new young hams to explore. >>> >>> There's my long winded $0.02 >>> 73 >>> Thor (N7JCT) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet >>> >>> From: >>> Doug Crompton >>> >>> Date: >>> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM >>> >>> To: >>> Users of Asterisk app_rpt >>> >>> If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. >> >> _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing >> list App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list >> please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rp >> t-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email >> address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need >> a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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URL: From dpk at randomnotes.org Mon Apr 17 15:17:44 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 08:17:44 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: <9ad5c706-5d3e-f620-e66e-183a8588e541@aplaceonthe.net> Message-ID: I see 2 significant use cases: 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and there is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively. 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where people want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from the node operator before using the node. I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some form of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. -Doug-, KD7DK On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Loren Tedford wrote: > Interesting so all it is is IAX traffic between the webpage and asterisk?? > How does it verify the pass code etc?? I take it their must be a main frame > asterisk node setup some where that handles this iax traffic.. I didn't > realize this!! I agree a application for the platforms would be nice like > windows phone and android along with iphone.. I still don't understand why > people use iphones but thats my personal preference i guess.. Anyway how > hard would it be to take the iaxrpt that you created and port it to > iphone?? How hard would it be to take the iaxrpt and make it connect just > like the transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be some thing to think > about for future development but i still think we should have a pc based > way to communicate like a web browser based client.. You just never know > how that might come in handy some day when handling large amounts of > traffic.. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 <(618)%20553-0806> > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755> > Email: lorentedford at gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman > wrote: > >> Loren, >> You missed my comment about one size fits all. A app written for a mobile >> device will take advantage of options not available to a web interface. It >> is far better to use a app written for the platform. For the web platform >> HTML5 may be a good choice. The Web Transceiver talks to the ASL network >> via IAX. >> >> 73, Steve N4IRS >> >> On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren Tedford wrote: >> >> Steve I still like the idea that we are at least talking about fixing the >> Web Transceiver if i knew a little more about it maybe we could figure out >> how to make the web transceiver work in html mostly instead of java.. If >> this can be done this will mean its comparable via any mobile web browser >> out on the market today.. All the user would have to do is login to the >> website etc.. So exactly how does the web transceiver talk to the >> allstarlink network??? What exactly is going on in the back end of things?? >> >> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) >> Phone:618-553-0806 <(618)%20553-0806> >> Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755> >> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com >> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com >> http://www.lorentedford.com >> http://www.kc9zhv.com >> http://forum.kc9zhv.com >> http://hub.kc9zhv.com >> http://Ltcraft.net >> http://voipham.com >> >> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman >> wrote: >> >>> As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked at to evaluate if >>> and how it can be moved forward. A one size fits all solution will not >>> adequately work on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a must. As >>> of right now for access to specific nodes the choices are Zopier and >>> Android IAXRPT. Zopier runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course >>> runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes. The Web Transceiver >>> is more general. >>> >>> 73, Steve N4IRS >>> >>> On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote: >>> >>> Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry Pi, but look at what >>> Hams have done with it, in its various forms. AllStar nodes, whether DIAL >>> or the distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode Digital Voice nodes >>> using various interface devices like the MMDVM or DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. >>> Echolink/IRLP nodes. If we really want to get the attention of teens and >>> twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our tactics to the way >>> they live; how often do you see one without a smartphone somewhere on their >>> person? Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered too) that supports >>> the features of the current Web Transceiver and you'll have a tool that >>> everyone can use and still have the browser free for other things. >>> >>> Matthew Pitts >>> N8OHU >>> -- >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>> >>> On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have little or no >>>> need for the web transceiver. Most of us on this list won't have use for >>>> it. Anyone who's come so far as to building their own node and subscribing >>>> to this list has likely exceeded what that web transceiver could do for >>>> them. >>>> >>>> Consider however that there is a different market, a different audience >>>> for a web transceiver. I know that I'm not the only one who got involved >>>> in this through exploration with the web transceiver. >>>> >>>> So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool. It can be, >>>> if it works well and is designed properly, a great tool for someone to take >>>> that first step in finding out what all this is about. >>>> >>>> Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi. Getting kids into >>>> programming and using these devices to do things, control things and such. >>>> Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the attention of that same audience. >>>> App_rpt and Allstarlink are great for that. But this audience doesn't come >>>> to us with anything more than a very basic, novice background at first. A >>>> web transceiver seems like a handy tool for those new young hams to explore. >>>> >>>> There's my long winded $0.02 >>>> 73 >>>> Thor (N7JCT) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: >>>> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet >>>> >>>> From: >>>> Doug Crompton >>>> >>>> Date: >>>> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Users of Asterisk app_rpt >>>> >>>> If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing >>> list App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >>> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list >>> please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >>> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of >>> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit >>> options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it >>> via email confirmation. 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URL: From mike at midnighteng.com Mon Apr 17 15:24:09 2017 From: mike at midnighteng.com (mike at midnighteng.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 11:24:09 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0bba86f9c615fff95aff01a656d4e9f8d0fbacb4@webmail.midnighteng.com> Everyone wants things. But few can help, and of those, few volunteer. Including me. Nobody's fault, we all have our lives and other projects. Nobody is getting paid to help out. Don't try to make this a job someone isn't doing to your liking. There is nothing stopping anyone from making their own web-based sip interface and all the material to do it is out there. Be easy on the dev's if you want their continued contributions if you are not helping out. Or volunteer to do something/anything ! But to have the need to explain where they are at in any given moment is a waste of their time better spent on dev'ing. This is open source for a reason. 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Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Phone:618-553-0806 Fax: 1-618-551-2755 Email: lorentedford at gmail.com Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com http://www.lorentedford.com http://www.kc9zhv.com http://forum.kc9zhv.com http://hub.kc9zhv.com http://Ltcraft.net http://voipham.com On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Doug Kingston wrote: > I see 2 significant use cases: > > 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node > In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and there > is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. > Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the > Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java > traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the > public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the > java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively. > > 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node > This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where people > want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from the > node operator before using the node. > > I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some > form of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar > nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central > node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. > > -Doug-, KD7DK > > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Loren Tedford > wrote: > >> Interesting so all it is is IAX traffic between the webpage and >> asterisk?? How does it verify the pass code etc?? I take it their must be a >> main frame asterisk node setup some where that handles this iax traffic.. I >> didn't realize this!! I agree a application for the platforms would be nice >> like windows phone and android along with iphone.. I still don't understand >> why people use iphones but thats my personal preference i guess.. Anyway >> how hard would it be to take the iaxrpt that you created and port it to >> iphone?? How hard would it be to take the iaxrpt and make it connect just >> like the transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be some thing to think >> about for future development but i still think we should have a pc based >> way to communicate like a web browser based client.. You just never know >> how that might come in handy some day when handling large amounts of >> traffic.. >> >> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) >> Phone:618-553-0806 <(618)%20553-0806> >> Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755> >> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com >> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com >> http://www.lorentedford.com >> http://www.kc9zhv.com >> http://forum.kc9zhv.com >> http://hub.kc9zhv.com >> http://Ltcraft.net >> http://voipham.com >> >> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman >> wrote: >> >>> Loren, >>> You missed my comment about one size fits all. A app written for a >>> mobile device will take advantage of options not available to a web >>> interface. It is far better to use a app written for the platform. For the >>> web platform HTML5 may be a good choice. The Web Transceiver talks to the >>> ASL network via IAX. >>> >>> 73, Steve N4IRS >>> >>> On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren Tedford wrote: >>> >>> Steve I still like the idea that we are at least talking about fixing >>> the Web Transceiver if i knew a little more about it maybe we could figure >>> out how to make the web transceiver work in html mostly instead of java.. >>> If this can be done this will mean its comparable via any mobile web >>> browser out on the market today.. All the user would have to do is login >>> to the website etc.. So exactly how does the web transceiver talk to the >>> allstarlink network??? What exactly is going on in the back end of things?? >>> >>> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) >>> Phone:618-553-0806 <(618)%20553-0806> >>> Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755> >>> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com >>> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com >>> http://www.lorentedford.com >>> http://www.kc9zhv.com >>> http://forum.kc9zhv.com >>> http://hub.kc9zhv.com >>> http://Ltcraft.net >>> http://voipham.com >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman >>> wrote: >>> >>>> As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked at to evaluate if >>>> and how it can be moved forward. A one size fits all solution will not >>>> adequately work on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a must. As >>>> of right now for access to specific nodes the choices are Zopier and >>>> Android IAXRPT. Zopier runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course >>>> runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes. The Web Transceiver >>>> is more general. >>>> >>>> 73, Steve N4IRS >>>> >>>> On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry Pi, but look at >>>> what Hams have done with it, in its various forms. AllStar nodes, whether >>>> DIAL or the distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode Digital Voice >>>> nodes using various interface devices like the MMDVM or >>>> DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. Echolink/IRLP nodes. If we really want to get the >>>> attention of teens and twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our >>>> tactics to the way they live; how often do you see one without a smartphone >>>> somewhere on their person? Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered >>>> too) that supports the features of the current Web Transceiver and you'll >>>> have a tool that everyone can use and still have the browser free for other >>>> things. >>>> >>>> Matthew Pitts >>>> N8OHU >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>> >>>> On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have little or no >>>>> need for the web transceiver. Most of us on this list won't have use for >>>>> it. Anyone who's come so far as to building their own node and subscribing >>>>> to this list has likely exceeded what that web transceiver could do for >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> Consider however that there is a different market, a different >>>>> audience for a web transceiver. I know that I'm not the only one who got >>>>> involved in this through exploration with the web transceiver. >>>>> >>>>> So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool. It can be, >>>>> if it works well and is designed properly, a great tool for someone to take >>>>> that first step in finding out what all this is about. >>>>> >>>>> Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi. Getting kids into >>>>> programming and using these devices to do things, control things and such. >>>>> Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the attention of that same audience. >>>>> App_rpt and Allstarlink are great for that. But this audience doesn't come >>>>> to us with anything more than a very basic, novice background at first. A >>>>> web transceiver seems like a handy tool for those new young hams to explore. >>>>> >>>>> There's my long winded $0.02 >>>>> 73 >>>>> Thor (N7JCT) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Subject: >>>>> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet >>>>> >>>>> From: >>>>> Doug Crompton >>>>> >>>>> Date: >>>>> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM >>>>> >>>>> To: >>>>> Users of Asterisk app_rpt >>>>> >>>>> If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >>>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing >>>> list App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >>>> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list >>>> please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >>>> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of >>>> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit >>>> options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it >>>> via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a >>>> message to the list detailing the problem. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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But few can help, and of those, few volunteer. > Including me. > Nobody's fault, we all have our lives and other projects. Nobody is > getting paid to help out. > Don't try to make this a job someone isn't doing to your liking. > There is nothing stopping anyone from making their own web-based sip > interface and all the material to do it is out there. > > Be easy on the dev's if you want their continued contributions if you are > not helping out. > Or volunteer to do something/anything ! > But to have the need to explain where they are at in any given moment is a > waste of their time better spent on dev'ing. > This is open source for a reason. > > Said with kindness and understanding for all, > > ...mike/kb8jnm > > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. 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URL: From mike at midnighteng.com Mon Apr 17 15:28:43 2017 From: mike at midnighteng.com (mike at midnighteng.com) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 11:28:43 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <43ba5a8ad749fdff2cf449fbe687ced0be5e00e5@webmail.midnighteng.com> I'm not picking on anyone, but I have listened to enough chatter to make a attempt to instill some understanding. ...mike/kb8jnm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Users of Asterisk app_rpt" To: "Users of Asterisk app_rpt" Cc: Sent: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:25:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet Mike i would love to help but i would really need a hand understanding some of this stuff.. I guess what i am saying is I am not really that programming savy yet... I only know enough to get me into trouble lol.. Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)? Phone:618-553-0806 Fax:?1-618-551-2755 Email:? lorentedford at gmail.com [1] Email:?KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com [2] http://www.lorentedford.com [3] http://www.kc9zhv.com [4] http://forum.kc9zhv.com [5] http://hub.kc9zhv.com [6] http://Ltcraft.net [7] http://voipham.com [8] On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:24 AM, wrote: Everyone wants things. But few can help, and of those, few volunteer. Including me. Nobody's fault, we all have our lives and other projects. Nobody is getting paid to help out. Don't try to make this a job someone isn't doing to your liking. There is nothing stopping anyone from making their own web-based sip interface and all the material to do it is out there. Be easy on the dev's if you want their continued contributions if you are not helping out. Or volunteer to do something/anything ! But to have the need to explain where they are at in any given moment is a waste of their time better spent on dev'ing. This is open source for a reason. 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As of right now, a review of the existing java code is happening. We will see if and where it goes from there. Steve On 4/17/2017 11:24 AM, Loren Tedford wrote: > If any of you have teamspeak and would like to just chit chat on this > topic with me feel free teamspeak ip to my private server is: > kc9zhv.com:9936 Their is no password i am in > the welcome room. > > I actually see several use cases for allowing a user to utilize this.. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 > Email: lorentedford at gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Doug Kingston > wrote: > > I see 2 significant use cases: > > 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node > In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node > and there is no account/password that the user knows that they can > use to log in. Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, > they authenticate to the Allstar central server with their Allstar > username/password and the Java traffic is proxies through that > central site is some way and on to the public node. Its possible > the central node provides credentials to the java applet and it > connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively. > > 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node > This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes > where people want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive > credentials from the node operator before using the node. > > I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need > some form of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from > accessing Allstar nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be > nice to take the central node out of the normal path except for > the authentication process. > > -Doug-, KD7DK > > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Loren Tedford > > wrote: > > Interesting so all it is is IAX traffic between the webpage > and asterisk?? How does it verify the pass code etc?? I take > it their must be a main frame asterisk node setup some where > that handles this iax traffic.. I didn't realize this!! I > agree a application for the platforms would be nice like > windows phone and android along with iphone.. I still don't > understand why people use iphones but thats my personal > preference i guess.. Anyway how hard would it be to take the > iaxrpt that you created and port it to iphone?? How hard would > it be to take the iaxrpt and make it connect just like the > transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be some thing to > think about for future development but i still think we should > have a pc based way to communicate like a web browser based > client.. You just never know how that might come in handy some > day when handling large amounts of traffic.. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone:618-553-0806 > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 > Email: lorentedford at gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman > > wrote: > > Loren, > You missed my comment about one size fits all. A app > written for a mobile device will take advantage of options > not available to a web interface. It is far better to use > a app written for the platform. For the web platform HTML5 > may be a good choice. The Web Transceiver talks to the ASL > network via IAX. > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren Tedford wrote: >> Steve I still like the idea that we are at least talking >> about fixing the Web Transceiver if i knew a little more >> about it maybe we could figure out how to make the web >> transceiver work in html mostly instead of java.. If this >> can be done this will mean its comparable via any mobile >> web browser out on the market today.. All the user would >> have to do is login to the website etc.. So exactly how >> does the web transceiver talk to the allstarlink >> network??? What exactly is going on in the back end of >> things?? >> >> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) >> Phone:618-553-0806 >> Fax: 1-618-551-2755 >> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com >> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com >> http://www.lorentedford.com >> http://www.kc9zhv.com >> http://forum.kc9zhv.com >> http://hub.kc9zhv.com >> http://Ltcraft.net >> http://voipham.com >> >> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman >> > wrote: >> >> As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked >> at to evaluate if and how it can be moved forward. A >> one size fits all solution will not adequately work >> on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a >> must. As of right now for access to specific nodes >> the choices are Zopier and Android IAXRPT. Zopier >> runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course >> runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes. >> The Web Transceiver is more general. >> >> 73, Steve N4IRS >> >> On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote: >>> Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry >>> Pi, but look at what Hams have done with it, in its >>> various forms. AllStar nodes, whether DIAL or the >>> distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode Digital >>> Voice nodes using various interface devices like the >>> MMDVM or DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. Echolink/IRLP nodes. >>> If we really want to get the attention of teens and >>> twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our >>> tactics to the way they live; how often do you see >>> one without a smartphone somewhere on their person? >>> Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered too) >>> that supports the features of the current Web >>> Transceiver and you'll have a tool that everyone can >>> use and still have the browser free for other things. >>> >>> Matthew Pitts >>> N8OHU >>> -- >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please >>> excuse my brevity. >>> >>> On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug >>> would have little or no need for the web >>> transceiver. Most of us on this list won't have >>> use for it. Anyone who's come so far as to >>> building their own node and subscribing to this >>> list has likely exceeded what that web >>> transceiver could do for them. >>> >>> Consider however that there is a different >>> market, a different audience for a web >>> transceiver. I know that I'm not the only one >>> who got involved in this through exploration >>> with the web transceiver. >>> >>> So I think there is benefit in having such a >>> simple tool. It can be, if it works well and is >>> designed properly, a great tool for someone to >>> take that first step in finding out what all >>> this is about. >>> >>> Consider the target audience of the Raspberry >>> Pi. Getting kids into programming and using >>> these devices to do things, control things and >>> such. Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the >>> attention of that same audience. App_rpt and >>> Allstarlink are great for that. But this >>> audience doesn't come to us with anything more >>> than a very basic, novice background at first. >>> A web transceiver seems like a handy tool for >>> those new young hams to explore. >>> >>> There's my long winded $0.02 >>> 73 >>> Thor (N7JCT) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Subject: >>>> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to >>>> WebTransceiver java applet >>>> From: >>>> Doug Crompton >>>> >>>> Date: >>>> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Users of Asterisk app_rpt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you must have the web transceiver there are >>>> ways around the problem >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> App_rpt-users mailing list >>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >>> >>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list please visithttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>> and scroll down to the bottom of the page. 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URL: From kb4fxc at inttek.net Mon Apr 17 16:16:14 2017 From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater access, so, I hate to see it go as well. As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java work. The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming language used. Another large component required is the actual audio interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). Thoughts? 73, David KB4FXC On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: > I see 2 significant use cases: > > 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node > In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and there > is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. > Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the > Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java > traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the > public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the > java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively. > > 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node > This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where people > want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from the > node operator before using the node. > > I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some form > of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar > nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central > node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. > > -Doug-, KD7DK > > From szingman at msgstor.com Mon Apr 17 16:26:14 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:26:14 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language. More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution. That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack. 73, Steve N4IRS On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar > project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater > access, so, I hate to see it go as well. > > As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support > for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to > make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update > comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java > work. > > The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing > the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser > friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, > but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming > language used. Another large component required is the actual audio > interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across > IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is > included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. > > So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are > already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). > > Thoughts? > > 73, David KB4FXC > > > > > On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: > >> I see 2 significant use cases: >> >> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node >> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and there >> is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. >> Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the >> Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java >> traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the >> public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the >> java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively. >> >> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node >> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where people >> want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from the >> node operator before using the node. >> >> I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some form >> of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar >> nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central >> node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. >> >> -Doug-, KD7DK >> >> > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. From shawpbx at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 17:06:48 2017 From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:06:48 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Everyone, The WebTransceiver is a great tool. But I think we should look at getting a hotspot going. Like the DVMega or the DV4Mini. A cheap low power hotspot would be great. But I can't code or build a hotspot so just a thought. Please not say, just build one out of a Baofeng radio. Rework W9SH's iaxRpt software or direct node to work with a USB Radio. Small and cheap that just works when you plug it in. OK I'm done. Thanks for your time. David KE6UPI -- Thanks, David "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: > I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language. > More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution. > That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all > know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack. > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > > On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar >> project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater >> access, so, I hate to see it go as well. >> >> As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support >> for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to >> make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update >> comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java >> work. >> >> The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing >> the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser >> friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, >> but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming >> language used. Another large component required is the actual audio >> interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across >> IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is >> included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. >> >> So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are >> already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). >> >> Thoughts? >> >> 73, David KB4FXC >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: >> >> I see 2 significant use cases: >>> >>> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node >>> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and >>> there >>> is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. >>> Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the >>> Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java >>> traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the >>> public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the >>> java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more >>> definitively. >>> >>> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node >>> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where >>> people >>> want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from >>> the >>> node operator before using the node. >>> >>> I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some >>> form >>> of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar >>> nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central >>> node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. >>> >>> -Doug-, KD7DK >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of >> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit >> options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email >> confirmation. 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URL: From buddy at brannan.name Mon Apr 17 17:09:56 2017 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:09:56 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64640A4D-CF81-46A4-A32A-0BE8D4821F8F@brannan.name> G7RPG builds these, and, yes, he uses a Baofeng HT and a Pi to build it. I have one, and it's exactly what you describe: plug it in, connect it to a network (wired or wireless), and off you go. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On Apr 17, 2017, at 1:06 PM, David Shaw wrote: > > Hello Everyone, The WebTransceiver is a great tool. But I think we should look at getting a hotspot going. Like the DVMega or the DV4Mini. A cheap low power hotspot would be great. But I can't code or build a hotspot so just a thought. > > Please not say, just build one out of a Baofeng radio. Rework W9SH's iaxRpt software or direct node to work with a USB Radio. Small and cheap that just works when you plug it in. > > OK I'm done. Thanks for your time. > > David > KE6UPI > > > > -- > Thanks, David > > "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." > Thomas Jefferson > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: > I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language. More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution. > That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack. > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > > On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar > project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater > access, so, I hate to see it go as well. > > As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support > for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to > make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update > comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java > work. > > The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing > the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser > friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, > but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming > language used. Another large component required is the actual audio > interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across > IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is > included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. > > So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are > already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). > > Thoughts? > > 73, David KB4FXC > > > > > On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: > > I see 2 significant use cases: > > 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node > In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and there > is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. > Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the > Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java > traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the > public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the > java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively. > > 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node > This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where people > want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from the > node operator before using the node. > > I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some form > of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar > nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central > node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. > > -Doug-, KD7DK > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. From shawpbx at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 17:22:49 2017 From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:22:49 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: <64640A4D-CF81-46A4-A32A-0BE8D4821F8F@brannan.name> References: <64640A4D-CF81-46A4-A32A-0BE8D4821F8F@brannan.name> Message-ID: Thanks Buddy, I like it and I'll email G7RPG to fine out more. David -- Thanks, David "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > G7RPG builds these, and, yes, he uses a Baofeng HT and a Pi to build it. I > have one, and it's exactly what you describe: plug it in, connect it to a > network (wired or wireless), and off you go. > > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: 814-860-3194 > Mobile: 814-431-0962 > Email: buddy at brannan.name > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2017, at 1:06 PM, David Shaw wrote: > > > > Hello Everyone, The WebTransceiver is a great tool. But I think we > should look at getting a hotspot going. Like the DVMega or the DV4Mini. A > cheap low power hotspot would be great. But I can't code or build a hotspot > so just a thought. > > > > Please not say, just build one out of a Baofeng radio. Rework W9SH's > iaxRpt software or direct node to work with a USB Radio. Small and cheap > that just works when you plug it in. > > > > OK I'm done. Thanks for your time. > > > > David > > KE6UPI > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks, David > > > > "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are > neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things > worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to > encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with > greater confidence than an armed one." > > Thomas Jefferson > > > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Steve Zingman > wrote: > > I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language. > More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution. > > That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all > know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack. > > > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > > > > > On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar > > project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater > > access, so, I hate to see it go as well. > > > > As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all > support > > for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to > > make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser > update > > comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java > > work. > > > > The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is > replacing > > the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser > > friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, > > but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming > > language used. Another large component required is the actual audio > > interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across > > IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is > > included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. > > > > So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are > > already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). > > > > Thoughts? > > > > 73, David KB4FXC > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: > > > > I see 2 significant use cases: > > > > 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node > > In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and > there > > is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. > > Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the > > Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java > > traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the > > public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the > > java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more > definitively. > > > > 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node > > This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where > people > > want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from > the > > node operator before using the node. > > > > I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some > form > > of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar > > nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central > > node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. > > > > -Doug-, KD7DK > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > App_rpt-users mailing list > > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. 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Boyle) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <215B46D3-CD48-4FDB-9E7B-1A7F5C3B352F@bdboyle.com> I think this is a great idea, albeit at a better price point than the Micro Node hotspot, which, for the price, is almost 3x what I can build a full power repeater sans antenna and heliax, from motorola mobiles, a Pi, and one of Kevin or Scott's USB dongles. Sorry, that price, considering all the sw is free, and the technology is commonly available, is a bit out of the range of what can be accomplished with a little work. I'm not afraid to spend $, but it has to be well-justified. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message. > On Apr 17, 2017, at 13:06, David Shaw wrote: > > Hello Everyone, The WebTransceiver is a great tool. But I think we should look at getting a hotspot going. Like the DVMega or the DV4Mini. A cheap low power hotspot would be great. But I can't code or build a hotspot so just a thought. > > Please not say, just build one out of a Baofeng radio. Rework W9SH's iaxRpt software or direct node to work with a USB Radio. Small and cheap that just works when you plug it in. > > OK I'm done. Thanks for your time. > > David > KE6UPI > > > > -- > Thanks, David > > "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." > Thomas Jefferson > >> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: >> I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language. More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution. >> That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack. >> >> 73, Steve N4IRS >> >> >>> On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar >>> project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater >>> access, so, I hate to see it go as well. >>> >>> As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support >>> for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to >>> make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update >>> comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java >>> work. >>> >>> The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing >>> the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser >>> friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, >>> but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming >>> language used. Another large component required is the actual audio >>> interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across >>> IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is >>> included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. >>> >>> So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are >>> already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> 73, David KB4FXC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: >>> >>>> I see 2 significant use cases: >>>> >>>> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node >>>> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and there >>>> is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. >>>> Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the >>>> Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java >>>> traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the >>>> public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the >>>> java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively. >>>> >>>> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node >>>> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where people >>>> want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from the >>>> node operator before using the node. >>>> >>>> I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some form >>>> of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar >>>> nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central >>>> node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. >>>> >>>> -Doug-, KD7DK >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> App_rpt-users mailing list >>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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URL: From kb4fxc at inttek.net Mon Apr 17 18:27:50 2017 From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm all for using the hotspot approach, where applicable. But there are a couple drawbacks. First, most hotspots are simplex, not duplex. Duplex is much more desirable in various situations. To solve this, you can build backyard repeaters out of a pair of 888 radios (I have 3 of them). But, that's even more hardware to haul around. Second, if you're traveling by plane, it's can be an adventure getting this hardware past TSA! I haven't tried recently, but, in years past it wasn't fun. With a web application, these issues are largely eliminated. ...Just a few more thoughts. 73, David KB4FXC On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, David Shaw wrote: > Hello Everyone, The WebTransceiver is a great tool. But I think we should > look at getting a hotspot going. Like the DVMega or the DV4Mini. A cheap > low power hotspot would be great. But I can't code or build a hotspot so > just a thought. > > Please not say, just build one out of a Baofeng radio. Rework W9SH's iaxRpt > software or direct node to work with a USB Radio. Small and cheap that just > works when you plug it in. > > OK I'm done. Thanks for your time. > > David > KE6UPI > > > > -- > Thanks, David > > "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither > inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for > the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage > than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater > confidence than an armed one." > Thomas Jefferson > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: > > > I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language. > > More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution. > > That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all > > know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack. > > > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > > > > > On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote: > > > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar > >> project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater > >> access, so, I hate to see it go as well. > >> > >> As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support > >> for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to > >> make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update > >> comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java > >> work. > >> > >> The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing > >> the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser > >> friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, > >> but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming > >> language used. Another large component required is the actual audio > >> interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across > >> IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is > >> included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. > >> > >> So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are > >> already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> 73, David KB4FXC > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: > >> > >> I see 2 significant use cases: > >>> > >>> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node > >>> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and > >>> there > >>> is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. > >>> Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the > >>> Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java > >>> traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the > >>> public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the > >>> java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more > >>> definitively. > >>> > >>> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node > >>> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where > >>> people > >>> want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from > >>> the > >>> node operator before using the node. > >>> > >>> I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some > >>> form > >>> of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar > >>> nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central > >>> node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. > >>> > >>> -Doug-, KD7DK > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> App_rpt-users mailing list > >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c > >> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > >> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > >> options button" > >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > >> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > >> the list detailing the problem. > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > App_rpt-users mailing list > > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c > > gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > > options button" > > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > > the list detailing the problem. > > > From gareth1125 at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 18:36:29 2017 From: gareth1125 at gmail.com (Gareth Jackson) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 18:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A27D62A6B599CE0.47E6174D-6AF1-4A1E-BA02-03327991165D@mail.outlook.com> Web applications do make things easier... until u meet the "it's not radio" band of merry men. Lol.? Gareth M6IGJ On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:27 PM +0100, "David McGough" wrote: I'm all for using the hotspot approach, where applicable. But there are a couple drawbacks. First, most hotspots are simplex, not duplex. Duplex is much more desirable in various situations. To solve this, you can build backyard repeaters out of a pair of 888 radios (I have 3 of them). But, that's even more hardware to haul around. Second, if you're traveling by plane, it's can be an adventure getting this hardware past TSA! I haven't tried recently, but, in years past it wasn't fun. With a web application, these issues are largely eliminated. ...Just a few more thoughts. 73, David KB4FXC On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, David Shaw wrote: > Hello Everyone, The WebTransceiver is a great tool. But I think we should > look at getting a hotspot going. Like the DVMega or the DV4Mini. A cheap > low power hotspot would be great. But I can't code or build a hotspot so > just a thought. > > Please not say, just build one out of a Baofeng radio. Rework W9SH's iaxRpt > software or direct node to work with a USB Radio. Small and cheap that just > works when you plug it in. > > OK I'm done. Thanks for your time. > > David > KE6UPI > > > > -- > Thanks, David > > "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither > inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for > the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage > than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater > confidence than an armed one." > Thomas Jefferson > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: > > > I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language. > > More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution. > > That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all > > know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack. > > > > 73, Steve N4IRS > > > > > > On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote: > > > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar > >> project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater > >> access, so, I hate to see it go as well. > >> > >> As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support > >> for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to > >> make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update > >> comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java > >> work. > >> > >> The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing > >> the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser > >> friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, > >> but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming > >> language used. Another large component required is the actual audio > >> interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across > >> IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is > >> included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. > >> > >> So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are > >> already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> 73, David KB4FXC > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: > >> > >> I see 2 significant use cases: > >>> > >>> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node > >>> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and > >>> there > >>> is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. > >>> Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the > >>> Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java > >>> traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the > >>> public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the > >>> java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more > >>> definitively. > >>> > >>> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node > >>> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where > >>> people > >>> want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from > >>> the > >>> node operator before using the node. > >>> > >>> I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some > >>> form > >>> of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar > >>> nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central > >>> node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. > >>> > >>> -Doug-, KD7DK > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> App_rpt-users mailing list > >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c > >> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > >> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > >> options button" > >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > >> confirmation. 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URL: From dpk at randomnotes.org Mon Apr 17 19:16:08 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:16:08 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: <5A27D62A6B599CE0.47E6174D-6AF1-4A1E-BA02-03327991165D@mail.outlook.com> References: <5A27D62A6B599CE0.47E6174D-6AF1-4A1E-BA02-03327991165D@mail.outlook.com> Message-ID: The purpose of this thread was to discuss software based solutions. Fundamentally I was looking for how we can make Allstar the preferred option when Echolink might have been used previously. Can I request we move hardware based discussions to a separate thread? I know there have been some nice commercial and homegrown options there. Thanks, -Doug- On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Gareth Jackson wrote: > Web applications do make things easier... until u meet the "it's not > radio" band of merry men. Lol. > > Gareth M6IGJ > > > > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:27 PM +0100, "David McGough" > wrote: > > I'm all for using the hotspot approach, where applicable. But there are a >> couple drawbacks. >> >> First, most hotspots are simplex, not duplex. Duplex is much more >> desirable in various situations. To solve this, you can build backyard >> repeaters out of a pair of 888 radios (I have 3 of them). But, that's even >> more hardware to haul around. >> >> Second, if you're traveling by plane, it's can be an adventure getting >> this hardware past TSA! I haven't tried recently, but, in years past it >> wasn't fun. >> >> With a web application, these issues are largely eliminated. >> >> ...Just a few more thoughts. >> >> 73, David KB4FXC >> >> >> >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, David Shaw wrote: >> >> > Hello Everyone, The WebTransceiver is a great tool. But I think we should >> > look at getting a hotspot going. Like the DVMega or the DV4Mini. A cheap >> > low power hotspot would be great. But I can't code or build a hotspot so >> > just a thought. >> > >> > Please not say, just build one out of a Baofeng radio. Rework W9SH's iaxRpt >> > software or direct node to work with a USB Radio. Small and cheap that just >> > works when you plug it in. >> > >> > OK I'm done. Thanks for your time. >> > >> > David >> > KE6UPI >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Thanks, David >> > >> > "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither >> > inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for >> > the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage >> > than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater >> > confidence than an armed one." >> > Thomas Jefferson >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: >> > >> > > I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language. >> > > More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution. >> > > That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all >> > > know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack. >> > > >> > > 73, Steve N4IRS >> > > >> > > >> > > On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hi Everyone, >> > >> >> > >> I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar >> > >> project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater >> > >> access, so, I hate to see it go as well. >> > >> >> > >> As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support >> > >> for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to >> > >> make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update >> > >> comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java >> > >> work. >> > >> >> > >> The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing >> > >> the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser >> > >> friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, >> > >> but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming >> > >> language used. Another large component required is the actual audio >> > >> interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across >> > >> IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is >> > >> included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. >> > >> >> > >> So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are >> > >> already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). >> > >> >> > >> Thoughts? >> > >> >> > >> 73, David KB4FXC >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: >> > >> >> > >> I see 2 significant use cases: >> > >>> >> > >>> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node >> > >>> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and >> > >>> there >> > >>> is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. >> > >>> Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the >> > >>> Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java >> > >>> traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the >> > >>> public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the >> > >>> java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more >> > >>> definitively. >> > >>> >> > >>> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node >> > >>> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where >> > >>> people >> > >>> want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from >> > >>> the >> > >>> node operator before using the node. >> > >>> >> > >>> I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some >> > >>> form >> > >>> of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar >> > >>> nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central >> > >>> node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. >> > >>> >> > >>> -Doug-, KD7DK >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> > >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> >> > >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> > >> >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >> > >> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of >> > >> the page. 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URL: From lorentedford at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 19:29:19 2017 From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:29:19 -0500 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What about this?? http://silicontechnix.com/forum/iaxclient/ I think at one point in time last year I came across this site would some thing like this work?? Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Email: lorentedford at gmail.com Phone: Fax: http://www.lorentedford.com http://kc9zhv.com Sent from Droid Turbo from Verizon wireless network On Apr 17, 2017 11:16 AM, "David McGough" wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar > project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater > access, so, I hate to see it go as well. > > As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support > for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to > make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update > comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java > work. > > The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing > the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser > friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, > but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming > language used. Another large component required is the actual audio > interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across > IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is > included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. > > So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are > already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). > > Thoughts? > > 73, David KB4FXC > > > > > On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: > > > I see 2 significant use cases: > > > > 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node > > In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and > there > > is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. > > Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the > > Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java > > traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the > > public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the > > java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more > definitively. > > > > 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node > > This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where > people > > want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from > the > > node operator before using the node. > > > > I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some > form > > of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar > > nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central > > node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. > > > > -Doug-, KD7DK > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpk at randomnotes.org Mon Apr 17 19:58:14 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:58:14 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The iaxclient a silicontechnix.com appears to be only distributed in binary from from an otherwise unknown source. I think there is a strong desire here to build an open source based solution that allows collaboration and peer review (like we have for the core of the system, asterisk). There are some other open softphone projects we can potentially build on, as well as good toolkits like WebRTC and such. Example is https://www.doubango.org/sipml5/ which was mentioned earlier I believe. -Doug- On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Loren Tedford wrote: > What about this?? > > http://silicontechnix.com/forum/iaxclient/ > > > I think at one point in time last year I came across this site would some > thing like this work?? > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Email: lorentedford at gmail.com > Phone: > Fax: > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://kc9zhv.com > > Sent from Droid Turbo from Verizon wireless network > > On Apr 17, 2017 11:16 AM, "David McGough" wrote: > >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar >> project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater >> access, so, I hate to see it go as well. >> >> As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support >> for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to >> make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update >> comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java >> work. >> >> The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing >> the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser >> friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, >> but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming >> language used. Another large component required is the actual audio >> interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across >> IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is >> included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. >> >> So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are >> already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). >> >> Thoughts? >> >> 73, David KB4FXC >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: >> >> > I see 2 significant use cases: >> > >> > 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node >> > In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and >> there >> > is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. >> > Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the >> > Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java >> > traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the >> > public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the >> > java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more >> definitively. >> > >> > 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node >> > This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where >> people >> > want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from >> the >> > node operator before using the node. >> > >> > I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some >> form >> > of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar >> > nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the >> central >> > node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. >> > >> > -Doug-, KD7DK >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of >> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit >> options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email >> confirmation. 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URL: From shawpbx at gmail.com Mon Apr 17 20:21:53 2017 From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:21:53 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet In-Reply-To: References: <5A27D62A6B599CE0.47E6174D-6AF1-4A1E-BA02-03327991165D@mail.outlook.com> Message-ID: Lets hold off on the hardware discussion and work on one thing at a time. I should have started a new post. David -- Thanks, David "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Doug Kingston wrote: > The purpose of this thread was to discuss software based solutions. > Fundamentally I was looking for how we can make Allstar the preferred > option when Echolink might have been used previously. > > Can I request we move hardware based discussions to a separate thread? I > know there have been some nice commercial and homegrown options there. > > Thanks, > -Doug- > > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Gareth Jackson > wrote: > >> Web applications do make things easier... until u meet the "it's not >> radio" band of merry men. Lol. >> >> Gareth M6IGJ >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:27 PM +0100, "David McGough" > > wrote: >> >> I'm all for using the hotspot approach, where applicable. But there are a >>> couple drawbacks. >>> >>> First, most hotspots are simplex, not duplex. Duplex is much more >>> desirable in various situations. To solve this, you can build backyard >>> repeaters out of a pair of 888 radios (I have 3 of them). But, that's even >>> more hardware to haul around. >>> >>> Second, if you're traveling by plane, it's can be an adventure getting >>> this hardware past TSA! I haven't tried recently, but, in years past it >>> wasn't fun. >>> >>> With a web application, these issues are largely eliminated. >>> >>> ...Just a few more thoughts. >>> >>> 73, David KB4FXC >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, David Shaw wrote: >>> >>> > Hello Everyone, The WebTransceiver is a great tool. But I think we should >>> > look at getting a hotspot going. Like the DVMega or the DV4Mini. A cheap >>> > low power hotspot would be great. But I can't code or build a hotspot so >>> > just a thought. >>> > >>> > Please not say, just build one out of a Baofeng radio. Rework W9SH's iaxRpt >>> > software or direct node to work with a USB Radio. Small and cheap that just >>> > works when you plug it in. >>> > >>> > OK I'm done. Thanks for your time. >>> > >>> > David >>> > KE6UPI >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Thanks, David >>> > >>> > "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither >>> > inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for >>> > the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage >>> > than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater >>> > confidence than an armed one." >>> > Thomas Jefferson >>> > >>> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Steve Zingman wrote: >>> > >>> > > I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language. >>> > > More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution. >>> > > That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all >>> > > know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack. >>> > > >>> > > 73, Steve N4IRS >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Hi Everyone, >>> > >> >>> > >> I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar >>> > >> project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater >>> > >> access, so, I hate to see it go as well. >>> > >> >>> > >> As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support >>> > >> for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to >>> > >> make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update >>> > >> comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java >>> > >> work. >>> > >> >>> > >> The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing >>> > >> the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser >>> > >> friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine, >>> > >> but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming >>> > >> language used. Another large component required is the actual audio >>> > >> interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across >>> > >> IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is >>> > >> included in modern browsers, could be leveraged. >>> > >> >>> > >> So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are >>> > >> already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: http://www.jssip.net/ ). >>> > >> >>> > >> Thoughts? >>> > >> >>> > >> 73, David KB4FXC >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> I see 2 significant use cases: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node >>> > >>> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and >>> > >>> there >>> > >>> is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. >>> > >>> Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the >>> > >>> Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java >>> > >>> traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the >>> > >>> public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the >>> > >>> java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more >>> > >>> definitively. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node >>> > >>> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where >>> > >>> people >>> > >>> want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from >>> > >>> the >>> > >>> node operator before using the node. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some >>> > >>> form >>> > >>> of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar >>> > >>> nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central >>> > >>> node out of the normal path except for the authentication process. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> -Doug-, KD7DK >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> App_rpt-users mailing list >>> > >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >>> >>> > >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>> > >> >>> > >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >>> > >> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of >>> > >> the page. 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CM108 Audio Controller Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter It is the 2nd fob that seems to be non-responsive. Any ideas folks? I am reluctant to swap fobs between USB ports as I know that usb enumeration can be a pig! Cheers, Ramesh, VA3UV From n2ygk at weca.org Tue Apr 18 14:35:43 2017 From: n2ygk at weca.org (Alan Crosswell) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 10:35:43 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs In-Reply-To: <8b912045-138f-1a38-a213-6dccdbda0d4e@va3uv.com> References: <8b912045-138f-1a38-a213-6dccdbda0d4e@va3uv.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Ramesh Dhami wrote: > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter > Looks like this one is not a CM108? Those "3D Sound" fobs seem to have all kinds of random chips in them. I've got two "identical" FOBs laying around from other projects and neither one is a CM108. I just ordered 4 that claim to be CM108s. 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URL: From jrorke at cogeco.ca Tue Apr 18 14:48:37 2017 From: jrorke at cogeco.ca (Jon Rorke) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 10:48:37 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs In-Reply-To: <8b912045-138f-1a38-a213-6dccdbda0d4e@va3uv.com> References: <8b912045-138f-1a38-a213-6dccdbda0d4e@va3uv.com> Message-ID: <86718322-36fa-fe78-3800-375cd33d61a5@cogeco.ca> Hi Ramesh, you may be seeing the same issue I have with multiple URIs on the RPI. this seems to be a problem when using USB radio on the RPI in the latest dial distro. I reported it Steve N4IRS but don't know if its been fixed or not. Perhaps you can do 2 RPI one per node for now. Jon RQ On 4/18/2017 10:22 AM, Ramesh Dhami wrote: > Hi Guys: > > I am preparing a RPi3 to replace a dying PC with ACID at my repeater > site. The Pi will control 2 full-duplex repeaters. > > I have prepared the config files at home and plugged in 2 (modified) > USB fobs. Both fobs worked initially... i.e., I was able to connect a > test repeater to each fob and hear telem' data out of the repeater / > corresponding to the applicable node #. > > I am using usbradio for both fobs (config changed in modules.conf and > rpt.conf) > > The issue I have is that the LED on one of the fobs is no longer > flashing and hence, no audio out of that fob. The LED is however, on > permanently. > > Here is the output of 'lsusb': > > Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio > Controller > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter > > It is the 2nd fob that seems to be non-responsive. > > Any ideas folks? > > I am reluctant to swap fobs between USB ports as I know that usb > enumeration can be a pig! > > Cheers, > > Ramesh, VA3UV > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address > and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message > to the list detailing the problem. From Ramesh at va3uv.com Tue Apr 18 15:13:05 2017 From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:13:05 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs In-Reply-To: <86718322-36fa-fe78-3800-375cd33d61a5@cogeco.ca> References: <8b912045-138f-1a38-a213-6dccdbda0d4e@va3uv.com> <86718322-36fa-fe78-3800-375cd33d61a5@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <8ec71dcb-651e-84a3-1ba4-f3b25c0bddae@va3uv.com> On 2017-04-18 10:48 AM, Jon Rorke wrote: > Hi Ramesh, you may be seeing the same issue I have with multiple URIs > on the RPI. > > this seems to be a problem when using USB radio on the RPI in the > latest dial distro. > > I reported it Steve N4IRS but don't know if its been fixed or not. > > Perhaps you can do 2 RPI one per node for now. > > Jon RQ > <-- Hi Jon; interesting... because this fob did work fine with the Pi using the DIAL v1 distro (as far as I recall) and my ACID box prior to that. I am using the v1.1 DIAL distro' at present. Not too keen on using a 2nd Pi.... if push comes to shove, I may just use 1 Pi with 1 fob for the 220 machine (and let the 440 machine be a D-STAR box full-time, which 99.9% of the time it is ;). Steve - any update on this? Cheers! Ramesh. From szingman at msgstor.com Tue Apr 18 16:24:51 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:24:51 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs Message-ID: <-5665074061644553427@unknownmsgid> I'm in the field today, more later. Sent via smoke signal (AT&T) On Apr 18, 2017 11:14 AM, Ramesh Dhami wrote: On 2017-04-18 10:48 AM, Jon Rorke wrote: > Hi Ramesh, you may be seeing the same issue I have with multiple URIs > on the RPI. > > this seems to be a problem when using USB radio on the RPI in the > latest dial distro. > > I reported it Steve N4IRS but don't know if its been fixed or not. > > Perhaps you can do 2 RPI one per node for now. > > Jon RQ > <-- Hi Jon; interesting... because this fob did work fine with the Pi using the DIAL v1 distro (as far as I recall) and my ACID box prior to that. I am using the v1.1 DIAL distro' at present. Not too keen on using a 2nd Pi.... if push comes to shove, I may just use 1 Pi with 1 fob for the 220 machine (and let the 440 machine be a D-STAR box full-time, which 99.9% of the time it is ;). Steve - any update on this? Cheers! Ramesh. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. From keith at goobie.org Tue Apr 18 22:10:35 2017 From: keith at goobie.org (Keith Goobie) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 06:10:35 +0800 Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs In-Reply-To: <86718322-36fa-fe78-3800-375cd33d61a5@cogeco.ca> References: <8b912045-138f-1a38-a213-6dccdbda0d4e@va3uv.com> <86718322-36fa-fe78-3800-375cd33d61a5@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <92AD9DF1-4216-4B5C-8C44-38615F63BD15@goobie.org> This is a USB inefficiency issue Keith Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Jon Rorke wrote: > > Hi Ramesh, you may be seeing the same issue I have with multiple URIs on the RPI. > > this seems to be a problem when using USB radio on the RPI in the latest dial distro. > > I reported it Steve N4IRS but don't know if its been fixed or not. > > Perhaps you can do 2 RPI one per node for now. > > Jon RQ > >> On 4/18/2017 10:22 AM, Ramesh Dhami wrote: >> Hi Guys: >> >> I am preparing a RPi3 to replace a dying PC with ACID at my repeater site. The Pi will control 2 full-duplex repeaters. >> >> I have prepared the config files at home and plugged in 2 (modified) USB fobs. Both fobs worked initially... i.e., I was able to connect a test repeater to each fob and hear telem' data out of the repeater / corresponding to the applicable node #. >> >> I am using usbradio for both fobs (config changed in modules.conf and rpt.conf) >> >> The issue I have is that the LED on one of the fobs is no longer flashing and hence, no audio out of that fob. The LED is however, on permanently. >> >> Here is the output of 'lsusb': >> >> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio Controller >> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter >> >> It is the 2nd fob that seems to be non-responsive. >> >> Any ideas folks? >> >> I am reluctant to swap fobs between USB ports as I know that usb enumeration can be a pig! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ramesh, VA3UV >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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From Ramesh at va3uv.com Tue Apr 18 22:16:18 2017 From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:16:18 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs In-Reply-To: <92AD9DF1-4216-4B5C-8C44-38615F63BD15@goobie.org> References: <8b912045-138f-1a38-a213-6dccdbda0d4e@va3uv.com> <86718322-36fa-fe78-3800-375cd33d61a5@cogeco.ca> <92AD9DF1-4216-4B5C-8C44-38615F63BD15@goobie.org> Message-ID: <99DFC11A-FE3B-4C39-8BAE-6E0646960DC1@va3uv.com> Hi Keith: I will see if I have a USB hub to try with tonight.... that may introduce new problems! R. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Keith Goobie wrote: > > This is a USB inefficiency issue > > Keith > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Jon Rorke wrote: >> >> Hi Ramesh, you may be seeing the same issue I have with multiple URIs on the RPI. >> >> this seems to be a problem when using USB radio on the RPI in the latest dial distro. >> >> I reported it Steve N4IRS but don't know if its been fixed or not. >> >> Perhaps you can do 2 RPI one per node for now. >> >> Jon RQ >> >>> On 4/18/2017 10:22 AM, Ramesh Dhami wrote: >>> Hi Guys: >>> >>> I am preparing a RPi3 to replace a dying PC with ACID at my repeater site. The Pi will control 2 full-duplex repeaters. >>> >>> I have prepared the config files at home and plugged in 2 (modified) USB fobs. Both fobs worked initially... i.e., I was able to connect a test repeater to each fob and hear telem' data out of the repeater / corresponding to the applicable node #. >>> >>> I am using usbradio for both fobs (config changed in modules.conf and rpt.conf) >>> >>> The issue I have is that the LED on one of the fobs is no longer flashing and hence, no audio out of that fob. The LED is however, on permanently. >>> >>> Here is the output of 'lsusb': >>> >>> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio Controller >>> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter >>> >>> It is the 2nd fob that seems to be non-responsive. >>> >>> Any ideas folks? >>> >>> I am reluctant to swap fobs between USB ports as I know that usb enumeration can be a pig! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Ramesh, VA3UV >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> App_rpt-users mailing list >>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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From Ramesh at va3uv.com Wed Apr 19 01:34:38 2017 From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:34:38 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs In-Reply-To: <92AD9DF1-4216-4B5C-8C44-38615F63BD15@goobie.org> References: <8b912045-138f-1a38-a213-6dccdbda0d4e@va3uv.com> <86718322-36fa-fe78-3800-375cd33d61a5@cogeco.ca> <92AD9DF1-4216-4B5C-8C44-38615F63BD15@goobie.org> Message-ID: <3c38b392-cd1e-e88a-c5d6-37488ac7060e@va3uv.com> On 2017-04-18 6:10 PM, Keith Goobie wrote: > This is a USB inefficiency issue > > Keith > > <-- Hi Keith, Jon and all: I picked-up a 4-port powered USB hub this evening... Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio Controller Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1a40:0101 Terminus Technology Inc. 4-Port HUB No joy.... still have the same issue... however, the USB fob that was not working last night (when connected to the Pi directly) is now working.... and the one that was working last night is not! So it's one or the other... can't be having that at a remote site! Ramesh. From wile2u at gmail.com Wed Apr 19 18:44:52 2017 From: wile2u at gmail.com (Richard larson) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:44:52 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 98, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you take a picture of the board that is showing the incorrect ID. it must be a high res.. 73, Rich W6ABJ Wile2u at gmail.com On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 AM, < app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org> wrote: > Send App_rpt-users mailing list submissions to > app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_ > rpt-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > app_rpt-users-owner at lists.allstarlink.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of App_rpt-users digest..." > > This site is dedicated to the memory of Jim Dixon WB6NIL > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: USB Audio Fobs (Steve Zingman) > 2. Re: USB Audio Fobs (Keith Goobie) > 3. Re: USB Audio Fobs (Ramesh Dhami) > 4. Re: USB Audio Fobs (Ramesh Dhami) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:24:51 -0700 > From: Steve Zingman > To: app_rpt-users , Ramesh > > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs > Message-ID: <-5665074061644553427 at unknownmsgid> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I'm in the field today, more later. > Sent via smoke signal (AT&T) > On Apr 18, 2017 11:14 AM, Ramesh Dhami wrote: > > On 2017-04-18 10:48 AM, Jon Rorke wrote: > > Hi Ramesh, you may be seeing the same issue I have with multiple URIs > > on the RPI. > > > > this seems to be a problem when using USB radio on the RPI in the > > latest dial distro. > > > > I reported it Steve N4IRS but don't know if its been fixed or not. > > > > Perhaps you can do 2 RPI one per node for now. > > > > Jon RQ > > > <-- Hi Jon; interesting... because this fob did work fine with the Pi > using the DIAL v1 distro (as far as I recall) and my ACID box prior to > that. I am using the v1.1 DIAL distro' at present. > > Not too keen on using a 2nd Pi.... if push comes to shove, I may just > use 1 Pi with 1 fob for the 220 machine (and let the 440 machine be a > D-STAR box full-time, which 99.9% of the time it is ;). > > Steve - any update on this? > > Cheers! > > Ramesh. > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address > and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message > to the list detailing the problem. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 06:10:35 +0800 > From: Keith Goobie > To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs > Message-ID: <92AD9DF1-4216-4B5C-8C44-38615F63BD15 at goobie.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > This is a USB inefficiency issue > > Keith > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Jon Rorke wrote: > > > > Hi Ramesh, you may be seeing the same issue I have with multiple URIs on > the RPI. > > > > this seems to be a problem when using USB radio on the RPI in the latest > dial distro. > > > > I reported it Steve N4IRS but don't know if its been fixed or not. > > > > Perhaps you can do 2 RPI one per node for now. > > > > Jon RQ > > > >> On 4/18/2017 10:22 AM, Ramesh Dhami wrote: > >> Hi Guys: > >> > >> I am preparing a RPi3 to replace a dying PC with ACID at my repeater > site. The Pi will control 2 full-duplex repeaters. > >> > >> I have prepared the config files at home and plugged in 2 (modified) > USB fobs. Both fobs worked initially... i.e., I was able to connect a test > repeater to each fob and hear telem' data out of the repeater / > corresponding to the applicable node #. > >> > >> I am using usbradio for both fobs (config changed in modules.conf and > rpt.conf) > >> > >> The issue I have is that the LED on one of the fobs is no longer > flashing and hence, no audio out of that fob. The LED is however, on > permanently. > >> > >> Here is the output of 'lsusb': > >> > >> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio > Controller > >> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter > >> > >> It is the 2nd fob that seems to be non-responsive. > >> > >> Any ideas folks? > >> > >> I am reluctant to swap fobs between USB ports as I know that usb > enumeration can be a pig! > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Ramesh, VA3UV > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> App_rpt-users mailing list > >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and > scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press > the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. 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If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:16:18 -0400 > From: Ramesh Dhami > To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs > Message-ID: <99DFC11A-FE3B-4C39-8BAE-6E0646960DC1 at va3uv.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Keith: > > I will see if I have a USB hub to try with tonight.... that may introduce > new problems! > > R. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 18, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Keith Goobie wrote: > > > > This is a USB inefficiency issue > > > > Keith > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Apr 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Jon Rorke wrote: > >> > >> Hi Ramesh, you may be seeing the same issue I have with multiple URIs > on the RPI. > >> > >> this seems to be a problem when using USB radio on the RPI in the > latest dial distro. > >> > >> I reported it Steve N4IRS but don't know if its been fixed or not. > >> > >> Perhaps you can do 2 RPI one per node for now. > >> > >> Jon RQ > >> > >>> On 4/18/2017 10:22 AM, Ramesh Dhami wrote: > >>> Hi Guys: > >>> > >>> I am preparing a RPi3 to replace a dying PC with ACID at my repeater > site. The Pi will control 2 full-duplex repeaters. > >>> > >>> I have prepared the config files at home and plugged in 2 (modified) > USB fobs. Both fobs worked initially... i.e., I was able to connect a test > repeater to each fob and hear telem' data out of the repeater / > corresponding to the applicable node #. > >>> > >>> I am using usbradio for both fobs (config changed in modules.conf and > rpt.conf) > >>> > >>> The issue I have is that the LED on one of the fobs is no longer > flashing and hence, no audio out of that fob. The LED is however, on > permanently. > >>> > >>> Here is the output of 'lsusb': > >>> > >>> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio > Controller > >>> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio > Adapter > >>> > >>> It is the 2nd fob that seems to be non-responsive. > >>> > >>> Any ideas folks? > >>> > >>> I am reluctant to swap fobs between USB ports as I know that usb > enumeration can be a pig! > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Ramesh, VA3UV > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> App_rpt-users mailing list > >>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > >>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and > scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press > the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > >>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. 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If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > the list detailing the problem. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:34:38 -0400 > From: Ramesh Dhami > To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Audio Fobs > Message-ID: <3c38b392-cd1e-e88a-c5d6-37488ac7060e at va3uv.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 2017-04-18 6:10 PM, Keith Goobie wrote: > > This is a USB inefficiency issue > > > > Keith > > > > > <-- Hi Keith, Jon and all: I picked-up a 4-port powered USB hub this > evening... > > Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter > Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013c C-Media Electronics, Inc. CM108 Audio > Controller > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1a40:0101 Terminus Technology Inc. 4-Port HUB > > No joy.... still have the same issue... however, the USB fob that was > not working last night (when connected to the Pi directly) is now > working.... and the one that was working last night is not! > > So it's one or the other... can't be having that at a remote site! > > Ramesh. > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > > ------------------------------ > > End of App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 98, Issue 29 > ********************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance Bradley Glen ZS5BG From tom at cooneyjr.com Sat Apr 22 20:33:01 2017 From: tom at cooneyjr.com (Thomas D. Cooney, Jr.) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 16:33:01 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Problem with Dual Node config with DIAL on RPi3 Message-ID: <01e501d2bba7$a7057150$f51053f0$@cooneyjr.com> I have a dual node running two Repeater Builder RIMS with DIAL on a Pi 3 board. When I plug in the second RIM, it fails to initialize and stops comms with the first RIM. Heartbeat on RIM #1 becomes erratic then stays steady on. I am new to the list board, and have not seen prior posts. Thought I likely had a configuration problem, but Scott N3XCC indicates that others are having similar issues. Info links, or copies of prior related posts would be appreciated. TNX Tom Cooney, Jr., W3SF tom at cooneyjr.com Home: (814)626-1531 Cell: (814)931-0060 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szingman at msgstor.com Sat Apr 22 20:35:45 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 16:35:45 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Problem with Dual Node config with DIAL on RPi3 In-Reply-To: <01e501d2bba7$a7057150$f51053f0$@cooneyjr.com> References: <01e501d2bba7$a7057150$f51053f0$@cooneyjr.com> Message-ID: Tom, I am chasing this now. Will report when I know more. Steve N4IRS On 04/22/2017 04:33 PM, Thomas D. Cooney, Jr. wrote: > > I have a dual node running two Repeater Builder RIMS with DIAL on a Pi > 3 board. > > When I plug in the second RIM, it fails to initialize and stops comms > with the first RIM. Heartbeat on RIM #1 becomes erratic then stays > steady on. > > I am new to the list board, and have not seen prior posts. Thought I > likely had a configuration problem, but Scott N3XCC indicates that > others are having similar issues. > > Info links, or copies of prior related posts would be appreciated. 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URL: From szingman at msgstor.com Sat Apr 22 21:34:07 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:34:07 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Problem with Dual Node config with DIAL on RPi3 In-Reply-To: <01e501d2bba7$a7057150$f51053f0$@cooneyjr.com> References: <01e501d2bba7$a7057150$f51053f0$@cooneyjr.com> Message-ID: Tom, A couple of questions. Please post the results of the following command: lsusb Which RPi image did you install? Which channel driver are you using? I have a RPi3 on the bench now running the latest release candidate. 2 URI running the chan_usbradio channel driver. I'll have more questions. Steve N4IRS On 04/22/2017 04:33 PM, Thomas D. Cooney, Jr. wrote: > > I have a dual node running two Repeater Builder RIMS with DIAL on a Pi > 3 board. > > When I plug in the second RIM, it fails to initialize and stops comms > with the first RIM. Heartbeat on RIM #1 becomes erratic then stays > steady on. > > I am new to the list board, and have not seen prior posts. Thought I > likely had a configuration problem, but Scott N3XCC indicates that > others are having similar issues. > > Info links, or copies of prior related posts would be appreciated. TNX > > *Tom Cooney, Jr., W3SF* > > tom at cooneyjr.com > > Home: (814)626-1531 > > Cell: (814)931-0060 > > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Allow new incoming connections, but no new outgoing connections. > > ...STeve > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address > and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message > to the list detailing the problem. > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com From tom at cooneyjr.com Sun Apr 23 15:41:38 2017 From: tom at cooneyjr.com (Thomas D. Cooney, Jr.) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:41:38 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Problem with Dual Node config with DIAL on RPi3 Message-ID: <028701d2bc48$1c78c630$556a5290$@cooneyjr.com> Steve, Answers to your three questions: If I power on the Pi with the second RIM unplugged from USB, the unit boots up and the heart beat on the first RIM is normal. If I subsequently plug in the second RIM, its heartbeat flashes normally (after about 2 seconds) and the first RIM stays up, both heartbeats are flashing, not quite synchronously, but appear to wig-wag. Life is good. If I power up the node with both RIMs connected, the first RIM heartbeat comes on first, much slower than normal, and blinks irregularly for about 3-4 seconds. Then the second RIM heartbeat starts to flash normally, and the first RIM stops flashing with the heartbeat LED on steady. (this lsusb report is with both RIMs plugged in, and the Pi powered up ? RIM #1 heartbeat on steady, RIM #2 heartbeat flashing normally) root at 28336:~# lsusb Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub root at 28336:~# (this lsusb report is with the Pi booted with RIM #1 only, and the second RIM plugged in after boot. Both RIM heartbeats flashing normally) root at 28336:~# lsusb Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub root at 28336:~# (this lsusb report is with the Pi booted with RIM #1 only, the second RIM was left unplugged) root at 28336:~# lsusb Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub root at 28336:~# In all three cases, no other usb devices were connected. No keyboard, no mouse. The 3rd and 4th USB connectors are empty. channel driver is usbradio in rpt.conf, rxchannel = radio/usb for first node, and rxchannel = radio/usb2 for the second node. ** This does not match the instructions in the allstarlink.org ?setting up a two node system? how-to page. ** In usbradio.conf (at the end of [usb] stanzas) I added these lines since I am using the RIM interface pins to control a set of 4 relays. Prior to adding these lines, USB communications would fail because output was not declared. The second RIM on node 2 has no relay board, so these lines are not present in the [usb2] section of usbradio.conf gpio5=out1 ; in, out0 or out1 gpio6=out1 ; in, out0 or out1 gpio7=out1 ; in, out0 or out1 gpio8=out1 ; in, out0 or out1 28336*CLI> core show version Asterisk 1521 built by root @ repeater on a armv7l running Linux on 2015-10-17 03:09:22 UTC 28336*CLI> Rpi2_dial.img was downloaded 11/26/2016 from allstarlink.org portal Thank you, Tom Cooney, Jr., W3SF tom at cooneyjr.com Home: (814)626-1531 Cell: (814)931-0060 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szingman at msgstor.com Sun Apr 23 16:01:09 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:01:09 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Problem with Dual Node config with DIAL on RPi3 In-Reply-To: <028701d2bc48$1c78c630$556a5290$@cooneyjr.com> References: <028701d2bc48$1c78c630$556a5290$@cooneyjr.com> Message-ID: <5f698c26-a8c7-db57-760d-9e6f6798b7d2@msgstor.com> Tom, I'm testing here with the more current version of DIAL for the RPi I am testing on a RPi3 with 2 URI I am trying different configurations to force a failure. The link is on the allstarlink.org page it is labeled " DIAL RC1 for Raspberry Pi 2/3 (Recommended)" The direct link to the download is Thanks, Steve On 04/23/2017 11:41 AM, Thomas D. Cooney, Jr. wrote: > > Steve, > > Answers to your three questions: > > If I power on the Pi with the second RIM unplugged from USB, the unit > boots up and the heart beat on the first RIM is normal. If I > subsequently plug in the second RIM, its heartbeat flashes normally > (after about 2 seconds) and the first RIM stays up, both heartbeats > are flashing, not quite synchronously, but appear to wig-wag. Life is > good. > > If I power up the node with both RIMs connected, the first RIM > heartbeat comes on first, much slower than normal, and blinks > irregularly for about 3-4 seconds. Then the second RIM heartbeat > starts to flash normally, and the first RIM stops flashing with the > heartbeat LED on steady. > > (this lsusb report is with both RIMs plugged in, and the Pi powered up > ? RIM #1 heartbeat on steady, RIM #2 heartbeat flashing normally) > > root at 28336:~# lsusb > > Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. > > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. > > Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. > SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter > > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp. > > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > > root at 28336:~# > > (this lsusb report is with the Pi booted with RIM #1 only, and the > second RIM plugged in after boot. Both RIM heartbeats flashing normally) > > root at 28336:~# lsusb > > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. > > Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. > > Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. > SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter > > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp. > > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > > root at 28336:~# > > (this lsusb report is with the Pi booted with RIM #1 only, the second > RIM was left unplugged) > > root at 28336:~# lsusb > > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. > > Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. > SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter > > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp. > > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub > > root at 28336:~# > > In all three cases, no other usb devices were connected. No keyboard, > no mouse. The 3^rd and 4^th USB connectors are empty. > > channel driver is usbradio > > in rpt.conf, rxchannel = radio/usb for first node, and rxchannel = > radio/usb2 for the second node. > > ** This does not match the instructions in the allstarlink.org > ?setting up a two node system? how-to page. ** > > In usbradio.conf (at the end of [usb] stanzas) I added these lines > since I am using the RIM interface pins to control a set of 4 relays. > Prior to adding these lines, USB communications would fail because > output was not declared. > > The second RIM on node 2 has no relay board, so these lines are not > present in the [usb2] section of usbradio.conf > > gpio5=out1 ; in, out0 or out1 > > gpio6=out1 ; in, out0 or out1 > > gpio7=out1 ; in, out0 or out1 > > gpio8=out1 ; in, out0 or out1 > > 28336*CLI> core show version > > Asterisk 1521 built by root @ repeater on a armv7l running Linux on > 2015-10-17 03:09:22 UTC > > 28336*CLI> > > Rpi2_dial.img was downloaded 11/26/2016 from allstarlink.org portal > > Thank you, > > *Tom Cooney, Jr., W3SF* > > tom at cooneyjr.com > > Home: (814)626-1531 > > Cell: (814)931-0060 > > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k6ecm1 at gmail.com Sun Apr 23 16:07:33 2017 From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:07:33 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Problem with Dual Node config with DIAL on RPi3 In-Reply-To: <028701d2bc48$1c78c630$556a5290$@cooneyjr.com> References: <028701d2bc48$1c78c630$556a5290$@cooneyjr.com> Message-ID: <65B1C56E-CB72-4D2A-B178-F01470223529@gmail.com> Bob here, with my 2 cents. Sounds like a USB drive issue (read that as not enough USB drive current). I've seen it before, and put the two devices on separate USB ckts, which the RPi does not have. Recommendation. If you have another RPi 3, try it to see if you get the same results. Also, (and I don't recommend this as good practice) if you have a powered hub, put one of them on the hub. Thanks, Bob k6ecm Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Thomas D. Cooney, Jr. wrote: > > W3SF From tom at cooneyjr.com Sun Apr 23 16:27:39 2017 From: tom at cooneyjr.com (Thomas D. Cooney, Jr.) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:27:39 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Problem with Dual Node config with DIAL on RPi3 Message-ID: <02c501d2bc4e$89fee4e0$9dfcaea0$@cooneyjr.com> Bob, Steve I tried another Pi 3 board - same exact failure / symptoms with both boards. I have an adjustable regulator dropping 13.8 to 5 volts for the Pi. On board voltage on the Pi is 5.03 volts. Will try adding a tenth or two of voltage. Perhaps that will help if this is a USB drive issue. Will also burn a new SD with the current RC1 software and see if the Raspian OS helps operation on the Pi. I have an appointment to provide communications for a MS walkathon this afternoon, will get to this tonight. Thanks Bob and Steve Tom Cooney, Jr., W3SF tom at cooneyjr.com Home: (814)626-1531 Cell: (814)931-0060 From david.osborn at manx.net Sun Apr 23 16:38:06 2017 From: david.osborn at manx.net (David Osborn) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 17:38:06 +0100 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Control States In-Reply-To: <053e3e75-37c6-345d-c080-ee633d926f32@lusfiber.net> References: <013d108f-9855-9861-e042-dc8b3730dfa1@lusfiber.net> <053e3e75-37c6-345d-c080-ee633d926f32@lusfiber.net> Message-ID: <00d801d2bc4f$fc5c4770$f514d650$@manx.net> Yes, they work well. I use it to modify timeout behaviour for news broadcasts etc. lnkena and lnkdis would allow/disallow incoming connections. I've not tried it, but ufena and ufdis may have the same effect on users making outgoing connections (or issuing any commands) There are examples in the rpt.conf sample files. What are you looking to achieve? David Osborn GD4HOZ -----Original Message----- From: Steve Mahler [mailto:kizzy at lusfiber.net] Sent: 23 April 2017 14:06 To: app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Control States Has anyone tried "controlstates"? Changing them while app_rpt is running? Bumping, ...STeve On 4/20/2017 10:12 AM, Steve Mahler wrote: > Has anyone found way to use controlstates (or anything else) to allow: > > 1. No new incoming connections, but allow outgoing connections. > > 2. Allow new incoming connections, but no new outgoing connections. > > ...STeve > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address > and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message > to the list detailing the problem. > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com From kizzy at lusfiber.net Sun Apr 23 18:17:14 2017 From: kizzy at lusfiber.net (Steve Mahler) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:17:14 -0500 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Control States In-Reply-To: <00d801d2bc4f$fc5c4770$f514d650$@manx.net> References: <013d108f-9855-9861-e042-dc8b3730dfa1@lusfiber.net> <053e3e75-37c6-345d-c080-ee633d926f32@lusfiber.net> <00d801d2bc4f$fc5c4770$f514d650$@manx.net> Message-ID: <4348ea28-e164-163e-7b90-dd04574cc318@lusfiber.net> David: Thank you for the reply. With my controlstates looking like ... ; rptena,rptdis - Repeater (Enable,Disable) ; totena,totdis - Timeout Timer ; apena, apdis - Autopatch ; lnkena,lnkdis - Link ; skena, skdis - Scheduler ; ufena, ufdis - User Functions ; atena, atdis - Alternate Hangtime ; noice, noicd - No Incoming Connections ; slpen, slpds - Sleep Mode ; ; Normal Repeater Operations 0 = rptena,totena,apena,lnkena,skdis,ufena,atdis,noicd,slpds ; Boot DEFAULT - ALL ON 1 = rptena,totena,apena,lnkena,skdis,ufena,atdis,noice,slpds ; DEFAULT WithOUT New Links Incoming 2 = rptena,totena,apena,lnkdis,skdis,ufena,atdis,noice,slpds ; DEFAULT WithOUT New Links Incoming & No Links 3 = rptena,totena,apena,lnkdis,skdis,ufena,atdis,noice,slpds ; RF ONLY 8 = rptena,totena,apdis,lnkdis,skdis,ufdis,atdis,noice,slpds ; NO USER FUNCTIONS, NO NEW LINKS & NO LINKS 9 = rptdis,totena,apdis,lnkdis,skdis,ufdis,atdis,noice,slpds ; KILL Repeater ; The boot comes up in "0". I switch to "1" and the NOICE setting seems to work. Existing Links are not dropped. And calling ilink,6 doesn't disconnect existing link. Trying to create a new link fails. If I switch from "0" to "2" ... seems to be the same thing What am I not understanding about the way LNKXXX is defined? Is there a way to address inbound and outbound links separately?? [items 8&9 above work as expected] ...STeve - KF5VH On 4/23/2017 11:38 AM, David Osborn wrote:; > Yes, they work well. > > I use it to modify timeout behaviour for news broadcasts etc. > > lnkena and lnkdis would allow/disallow incoming connections. > > I've not tried it, but ufena and ufdis may have the same effect on users making outgoing connections (or issuing any commands) > > There are examples in the rpt.conf sample files. > > What are you looking to achieve? > > David Osborn > GD4HOZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mahler [mailto:kizzy at lusfiber.net] > Sent: 23 April 2017 14:06 > To: app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Control States > > Has anyone tried "controlstates"? Changing them while app_rpt is running? > > Bumping, > > ...STeve > > > On 4/20/2017 10:12 AM, Steve Mahler wrote: >> Has anyone found way to use controlstates (or anything else) to allow: >> >> 1. No new incoming connections, but allow outgoing connections. >> >> 2. Allow new incoming connections, but no new outgoing connections. >> >> ...STeve >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address >> and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email >> confirmation. 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From bradlington at yahoo.com Sun Apr 23 18:21:54 2017 From: bradlington at yahoo.com (Bradlington) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 20:21:54 +0200 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar locking up In-Reply-To: <58047af4-5a02-bb6b-516e-7fe42da0d86e@yahoo.com> References: <58047af4-5a02-bb6b-516e-7fe42da0d86e@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7b0c460a-fc9c-73bb-34bc-7bb7a1ae34f1@yahoo.com> Updated and resolved: I found the root cause was an HF transmitter on site that was in the many K-watts for Navtex maritime transmissions ast 518 kHz which got into everything on site. The use of ferrite rings on as many of the supply cables and LAN entry points resolved the ongoing locking up of the modem. Regards Bradley On 14/04/2017 06:38 PM, Bradlington wrote: > Good day > > I have a strange scenario at our radio site . > We have a site connected to internet by means of a 3G Cell dongle. > The network service provider is our next container . > > Our experience is ; we have a DMR and an ALLstar RTCM unit connected > via an ethernet router , then to the 3G modem /Dongle. > > At times the Allstar locks up but the DMR continues to operate . > At different times I have reset the RTCM by cycling the power as well > as resetting the modem /dongle. > > Each time a different means of fix is noticed ,similarly the DMR > DR-3000 Motorola repeater continues to be in the up state. > Replaced the router today with a high end SynOptics and it happened > again , yet it recovered itself before I could do any intrusive resets > ( only happened once ) . > > Anyone experienced such a case. > > Regards > > Bradley Glen > South Africa > ZS5BG > > > From Ramesh at va3uv.com Mon Apr 24 01:25:05 2017 From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 21:25:05 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Problem with Dual Node config with DIAL on RPi3 In-Reply-To: <5f698c26-a8c7-db57-760d-9e6f6798b7d2@msgstor.com> References: <028701d2bc48$1c78c630$556a5290$@cooneyjr.com> <5f698c26-a8c7-db57-760d-9e6f6798b7d2@msgstor.com> Message-ID: On 2017-04-23 12:01 PM, Steve Zingman wrote: > Tom, > I'm testing here with the more current version of DIAL for the RPi I > am testing on a RPi3 with 2 URI > I am trying different configurations to force a failur > The link is on the allstarlink.org page it is labeled " DIAL RC1 for > Raspberry Pi 2/3 (Recommended)" > The direct link to the download is > > <-- Hi Steve, Tom and All: Well... the above post from Steve was a huge clue for me!! I was previously using a different image (http://dvswitch.org/files/DIAL/rpi2_dial_V101.img).... this is the image that was giving me problems with a dual node configuration. With the image referenced by Steve (the RAT_RC1 image), I was able to setup two full-duplex nodes (using chan_usbradio). I have rebooted the Pi (3) about half-a-dozen times and so far, the USB numbering seems to be static (no swapping of node #'s). Great progress for a Sunday night :). Cheers! Ramesh, VA3UV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpk at randomnotes.org Wed Apr 26 02:32:30 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 19:32:30 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Micro-Node RTCM Message-ID: I am considering using these for a amateur repeater voting application. The alternative would be to roll my own with a Raspberry Pi 3 and probably the HamVOIP.org distribution. Who out there is using the RTCM? 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The alternative would be to roll my own with a Raspberry Pi 3 and probably the HamVOIP.org distribution. Who out there is using the RTCM? I can find very little information beyond the manual and I am concerned that the software may not be maintained and that there is not enough access to the underlying Linux system. > > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? > > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? Any advice there? > > -Doug- > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Who out there is using the RTCM? I can > find very little information beyond the manual and I am concerned that the > software may not be maintained and that there is not enough access to the > underlying Linux system. > > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? > > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? Any advice there? > > -Doug- > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. 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Who out there is using the RTCM? I can find very little information beyond the manual and I am concerned that the software may not be maintained and that there is not enough access to the underlying Linux system. > > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? > > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? Any advice there? > > -Doug- > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Can you can you get a root shell and use SSH to access? -Doug- On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Fredric Moses wrote: > You seem confused? you still need a linux system running app_rpt with the > RTCM?s? think of the RTCM as an ethernet based radio interface vs usb.. > But that radio interface when you add GPS to each one can do voting with > others.. and with some more work simulcast transmitting? > > We have some 50-60 RTCM?s deployed and love them? Getting ready to rebuild > another clubs VHF repeater voter system with a 6 site RTCM based voting > system. I just started testing the new hamvoip rPi3 image with some rtcm?s > myself... > > -- > Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 > fred at moses.bz > > > On Apr 25, 2017, at 22:32, Doug Kingston wrote: > > > > I am considering using these for a amateur repeater voting application. > The alternative would be to roll my own with a Raspberry Pi 3 and probably > the HamVOIP.org distribution. Who out there is using the RTCM? I can find > very little information beyond the manual and I am concerned that the > software may not be maintained and that there is not enough access to the > underlying Linux system. > > > > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? > > > > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? Any advice there? > > > > -Doug- > > _______________________________________________ > > App_rpt-users mailing list > > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and > scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press > the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. 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Can you can you get a root shell and use SSH > to access? > > -Doug- > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Fredric Moses wrote: > >> You seem confused? you still need a linux system running app_rpt with the >> RTCM?s? think of the RTCM as an ethernet based radio interface vs usb.. >> But that radio interface when you add GPS to each one can do voting with >> others.. and with some more work simulcast transmitting? >> >> We have some 50-60 RTCM?s deployed and love them? Getting ready to >> rebuild another clubs VHF repeater voter system with a 6 site RTCM based >> voting system. I just started testing the new hamvoip rPi3 image with some >> rtcm?s myself... >> >> -- >> Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 >> fred at moses.bz >> >> > On Apr 25, 2017, at 22:32, Doug Kingston wrote: >> > >> > I am considering using these for a amateur repeater voting >> application. The alternative would be to roll my own with a Raspberry Pi 3 >> and probably the HamVOIP.org distribution. Who out there is using the >> RTCM? I can find very little information beyond the manual and I am >> concerned that the software may not be maintained and that there is not >> enough access to the underlying Linux system. >> > >> > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? >> > >> > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? Any advice there? >> > >> > -Doug- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > App_rpt-users mailing list >> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this list please visit >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and >> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press >> the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email >> confirmation. 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I am assuming is some form of ARM processor. Can you can you get a root shell and use SSH to access? -Doug- On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Fredric Moses wrote: You seem confused? you still need a linux system running app_rpt with the RTCM?s? think of the RTCM as an ethernet based radio interface vs usb.. But that radio interface when you add GPS to each one can do voting with others.. and with some more work simulcast transmitting? We have some 50-60 RTCM?s deployed and love them? Getting ready to rebuild another clubs VHF repeater voter system with a 6 site RTCM based voting system. I just started testing the new hamvoip rPi3 image with some rtcm?s myself... -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 fred at moses.bz > On Apr 25, 2017, at 22:32, Doug Kingston wrote: > > I am considering using these for a amateur repeater voting application. The alternative would be to roll my own with a Raspberry Pi 3 and probably the HamVOIP.org distribution. Who out there is using the RTCM? I can find very little information beyond the manual and I am concerned that the software may not be maintained and that there is not enough access to the underlying Linux system. > > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? > > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? Any advice there? > > -Doug- > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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Can you can you get a root shell and use SSH > to access? > > -Doug- > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Fredric Moses wrote: > >> You seem confused? you still need a linux system running app_rpt with the >> RTCM?s? think of the RTCM as an ethernet based radio interface vs usb.. >> But that radio interface when you add GPS to each one can do voting with >> others.. and with some more work simulcast transmitting? >> >> We have some 50-60 RTCM?s deployed and love them? Getting ready to >> rebuild another clubs VHF repeater voter system with a 6 site RTCM based >> voting system. I just started testing the new hamvoip rPi3 image with some >> rtcm?s myself... >> >> -- >> Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 >> fred at moses.bz >> >> > On Apr 25, 2017, at 22:32, Doug Kingston wrote: >> > >> > I am considering using these for a amateur repeater voting >> application. The alternative would be to roll my own with a Raspberry Pi 3 >> and probably the HamVOIP.org distribution. Who out there is using the >> RTCM? I can find very little information beyond the manual and I am >> concerned that the software may not be maintained and that there is not >> enough access to the underlying Linux system. >> > >> > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? >> > >> > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? Any advice there? >> > >> > -Doug- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > App_rpt-users mailing list >> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this list please visit >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and >> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press >> the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" >> > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email >> confirmation. 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URL: From dpk at randomnotes.org Wed Apr 26 05:54:23 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:54:23 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Micro-Node RTCM In-Reply-To: <008d01d2be4d$99f894d0$cde9be70$@com> References: <008d01d2be4d$99f894d0$cde9be70$@com> Message-ID: Thank you Mark, that was very informative. My guess is that this device is unlikely to be able to "defend" itself very well and should probably be placed behind a restrictive firewall. Do you concur? -Doug- On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Mark Guibord wrote: > The RTCM uses a 16 bit DSP with a tightly integrated interrupt driven > firmware package written in c > > > > http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/dsPIC33FJ128GP804 > > > > If you're interested here is a link to the open-source software for the > RTCM.. > > > > http://svn.ohnosec.org/viewvc/projects/allstar/voter/board- > firmware/?root=svn > > > > *From:* App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] > *On Behalf Of *Doug Kingston > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:41 PM > *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt > *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] Micro-Node RTCM > > > > I know that I would have a GPS with 1pps feed to get the timing. Once you > have that, what is different in an RTCM other than nice packaging? > > What is the core processor technology inside the RTCM. I am assuming is > some form of ARM processor. Can you can you get a root shell and use SSH > to access? > > > > -Doug- > > > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Fredric Moses wrote: > > You seem confused? you still need a linux system running app_rpt with the > RTCM?s? think of the RTCM as an ethernet based radio interface vs usb.. > But that radio interface when you add GPS to each one can do voting with > others.. and with some more work simulcast transmitting? > > We have some 50-60 RTCM?s deployed and love them? Getting ready to rebuild > another clubs VHF repeater voter system with a 6 site RTCM based voting > system. I just started testing the new hamvoip rPi3 image with some rtcm?s > myself... > > -- > Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 > fred at moses.bz > > > > On Apr 25, 2017, at 22:32, Doug Kingston wrote: > > > > I am considering using these for a amateur repeater voting application. > The alternative would be to roll my own with a Raspberry Pi 3 and probably > the HamVOIP.org distribution. Who out there is using the RTCM? I can find > very little information beyond the manual and I am concerned that the > software may not be maintained and that there is not enough access to the > underlying Linux system. > > > > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? > > > > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? Any advice there? > > > > -Doug- > > > _______________________________________________ > > App_rpt-users mailing list > > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. 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Getting ready to rebuild > another clubs VHF repeater voter system with a 6 site RTCM based voting > system. I just started testing the new hamvoip rPi3 image with some rtcm?s > myself... > > -- > Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 > fred at moses.bz > > > On Apr 25, 2017, at 22:32, Doug Kingston wrote: > > > > I am considering using these for a amateur repeater voting application. > The alternative would be to roll my own with a Raspberry Pi 3 and probably > the HamVOIP.org distribution. Who out there is using the RTCM? I can find > very little information beyond the manual and I am concerned that the > software may not be maintained and that there is not enough access to the > underlying Linux system. > > > > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? > > > > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? 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URL: From mark at micro-node.com Wed Apr 26 06:08:28 2017 From: mark at micro-node.com (Mark Guibord) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:08:28 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Micro-Node RTCM In-Reply-To: References: <008d01d2be4d$99f894d0$cde9be70$@com> Message-ID: <001b01d2be53$865228a0$92f679e0$@com> Yes the RTCM can be used behind a firewall and does not require any port forwarding for normal operation. There is a telnet console for configuration and if you want to configure the RTCM remotely you will need to forward that port. From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Doug Kingston Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:54 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Micro-Node RTCM Thank you Mark, that was very informative. My guess is that this device is unlikely to be able to "defend" itself very well and should probably be placed behind a restrictive firewall. Do you concur? -Doug- On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Mark Guibord wrote: The RTCM uses a 16 bit DSP with a tightly integrated interrupt driven firmware package written in c http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/en/dsPIC33FJ128GP804 If you're interested here is a link to the open-source software for the RTCM.. http://svn.ohnosec.org/viewvc/projects/allstar/voter/board-firmware/?root=svn From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Doug Kingston Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:41 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Micro-Node RTCM I know that I would have a GPS with 1pps feed to get the timing. Once you have that, what is different in an RTCM other than nice packaging? What is the core processor technology inside the RTCM. I am assuming is some form of ARM processor. Can you can you get a root shell and use SSH to access? -Doug- On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Fredric Moses wrote: You seem confused? you still need a linux system running app_rpt with the RTCM?s? think of the RTCM as an ethernet based radio interface vs usb.. But that radio interface when you add GPS to each one can do voting with others.. and with some more work simulcast transmitting? We have some 50-60 RTCM?s deployed and love them? Getting ready to rebuild another clubs VHF repeater voter system with a 6 site RTCM based voting system. I just started testing the new hamvoip rPi3 image with some rtcm?s myself... -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 fred at moses.bz > On Apr 25, 2017, at 22:32, Doug Kingston wrote: > > I am considering using these for a amateur repeater voting application. The alternative would be to roll my own with a Raspberry Pi 3 and probably the HamVOIP.org distribution. Who out there is using the RTCM? I can find very little information beyond the manual and I am concerned that the software may not be maintained and that there is not enough access to the underlying Linux system. > > Who can tell me more about the RTCM? > > Has anyone rolled their own with a Pi3? Any advice there? > > -Doug- > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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URL: From fred at moses.bz Wed Apr 26 06:10:52 2017 From: fred at moses.bz (Fredric Moses) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 02:10:52 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Micro-Node RTCM In-Reply-To: References: <008d01d2be4d$99f894d0$cde9be70$@com> Message-ID: <096E0096-40AD-48B6-882E-66A52E826E5F@moses.bz> As the only open port is a telnet port.. filter 23 if your worried but we have some external without issue for years now but we block 23 by default upstream on our networks.. The devices work as stated. We have had issues with one or two and they were issues that Mark(the dev/maker) addressed right away and has always been help full the few times we have even needed support. Don?t look at the ?lack? or frequency of the code releases as anything but the fact the devices work and work well. We have some with multi-year up times and ones we haven't touched in years they just run.. You have to have a linux box with app_rpt running chan_voter. That?s what the RTCM?s connect to.. Even if you are not running GPS or voting but single radio setups. Think of the RTCM as a smart USB radio interface that uses ethernet to talk to APP_RPT. We have ditched all our RC210?s years ago and use RTCM?s directly into the repeaters. Motorola Purc5k?s, MTR2000?s, GR1225?s, Motorola Nucs, quantars and ge master II/III repeaters we have all interfaced to? remote rx wise we use mtr2000?s,maxtrac?s, cdm?s and 1225?s all. There is a feature we enable in the RTCM?s called offline repeat. If the RTCM in the main repeater losses connection to the Linux box running app_rpt for any reason the device turns into a simple repeater controller with hangtime and CW id. Which as there are many updates of code to app_rpt linux installs it helps while services are restarting and the like. You will update the linux host and app_rpt more then any RTCM. -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 fred at moses.bz > On Apr 26, 2017, at 01:54, Doug Kingston wrote: > > Thank you Mark, that was very informative. > > My guess is that this device is unlikely to be able to "defend" itself very well and should probably be placed behind a restrictive firewall. Do you concur? > > -Doug- From horsezip at earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 17:44:50 2017 From: horsezip at earthlink.net (jimmy keffer) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:44:50 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial Message-ID: i have an acid box in a data center i want to dial x86 version how should do go abt this i need echolink support alllmom 2 i run swisary by k0kn and inodes by wa3dsp tge dial install fails as i can't use dhcp i have full ipmi access 2 the box and full backup of the box so of we kill it trying stuff i dont carej jimmy From szingman at msgstor.com Fri Apr 28 17:48:28 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:48:28 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jimmy, You can do a basic Debian install from the DIAL ISO and then run a ASL install script. The basic Debian install will allow you to set the IP address. Steve On 4/28/2017 1:44 PM, jimmy keffer wrote: > i have an acid box in a data center i want to dial x86 version > how should do go abt this i need echolink support alllmom 2 i run > swisary by k0kn and inodes by wa3dsp tge dial install fails as i can't > use dhcp i have full ipmi access 2 the box and full backup of the box so > of we kill it trying stuff i dont carej > jimmy > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. From horsezip at earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 18:23:37 2017 From: horsezip at earthlink.net (jimmy keffer) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:23:37 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: is allstar-firmware-8.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst the iso i need/ From szingman at msgstor.com Fri Apr 28 18:24:41 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:24:41 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> Yes. On 4/28/2017 2:23 PM, jimmy keffer wrote: > is allstar-firmware-8.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst the iso i need/ > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. From horsezip at earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 18:28:09 2017 From: horsezip at earthlink.net (jimmy keffer) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:28:09 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> Message-ID: <9927gcp7ikp7ffr1qj8ujr4gdhlv1refqu@4ax.com> ok i wll give a shoot in a few hours From lorentedford at gmail.com Fri Apr 28 22:05:22 2017 From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:05:22 -0500 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Is it possible to have voltage read back? Message-ID: I was wondering if it was possible to have voltages read back on the repeater site.. Mainly 12 volt type scenario what type of equipment would i need to make this work with my current allstarlink system and how would it work?? I am running Dial on a PC with a pico power supply. Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) Phone: Fax: 1-618-551-2755 Email: lorentedford at gmail.com Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com http://www.lorentedford.com http://www.kc9zhv.com http://forum.kc9zhv.com http://hub.kc9zhv.com http://Ltcraft.net http://voipham.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horsezip at earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 22:33:57 2017 From: horsezip at earthlink.net (jimmy keffer) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:33:57 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> Message-ID: <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> the data has dhcp so install wemt ok but is rooys password so logon setup network etc? From szingman at msgstor.com Fri Apr 28 22:37:06 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:37:06 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> Message-ID: The root password is debian On 04/28/2017 06:33 PM, jimmy keffer wrote: > the data has dhcp so install wemt ok but is rooys password so logon > setup network etc? > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. 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From horsezip at earthlink.net Fri Apr 28 23:49:54 2017 From: horsezip at earthlink.net (jimmy keffer) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:49:54 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> Message-ID: what is the command to do ipsetup under deboan From szingman at msgstor.com Fri Apr 28 23:58:48 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:58:48 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> Message-ID: <9c7003c1-85b1-2b2e-c796-b34d19a52a95@msgstor.com> Did you not get a menu when you logged in? Just in case, do this as root: touch /etc/asterisk/firsttime firsttime 73, Steve N4IRS On 04/28/2017 07:49 PM, jimmy keffer wrote: > what is the command to do ipsetup under deboan > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. From horsezip at earthlink.net Sat Apr 29 00:11:37 2017 From: horsezip at earthlink.net (jimmy keffer) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:11:37 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: <9c7003c1-85b1-2b2e-c796-b34d19a52a95@msgstor.com> References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> <9c7003c1-85b1-2b2e-c796-b34d19a52a95@msgstor.com> Message-ID: i need the command data center has odd the command under centos was system-confog-network From szingman at msgstor.com Sat Apr 29 00:12:42 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:12:42 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> <9c7003c1-85b1-2b2e-c796-b34d19a52a95@msgstor.com> Message-ID: <7e10e7ac-3ba2-b59a-f69f-39c46be0e7a2@msgstor.com> The firsttime menu will allow you to set the IP. On 04/28/2017 08:11 PM, jimmy keffer wrote: > i need the command data center has odd the command under centos was > system-confog-network > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. From horsezip at earthlink.net Sat Apr 29 00:53:57 2017 From: horsezip at earthlink.net (jimmy keffer) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:53:57 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: <9c7003c1-85b1-2b2e-c796-b34d19a52a95@msgstor.com> References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> <9c7003c1-85b1-2b2e-c796-b34d19a52a95@msgstor.com> Message-ID: still no go ill restall again tomottow From shawpbx at gmail.com Sat Apr 29 03:05:00 2017 From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:05:00 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Is it possible to have voltage read back? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Food for thought.. How about an old UPS. Wire it to your battery and use upsmon.. I would check to see if upsmon will write a text file first.. Look at using an Arduino. Then have ASL read it. David -- Thanks, David "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Loren Tedford wrote: > I was wondering if it was possible to have voltages read back on the > repeater site.. Mainly 12 volt type scenario what type of equipment would i > need to make this work with my current allstarlink system and how would it > work?? > > I am running Dial on a PC with a pico power supply. > > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) > Phone: > Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755> > Email: lorentedford at gmail.com > Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com > http://www.lorentedford.com > http://www.kc9zhv.com > http://forum.kc9zhv.com > http://hub.kc9zhv.com > http://Ltcraft.net > http://voipham.com > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <597798534.306966.1493465382288@mail.yahoo.com> I expect a Raspberry Pi or Arduino could easily do this with their built in ADC circuitry and a bit of external 'glue' :-) ?Steven Donegan KK6IVC General Class FCC License FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License Silver State Car #86 www.sscc.us From: David Shaw To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Is it possible to have voltage read back? Food for thought.. How about an old UPS. Wire it to your battery and use upsmon.. I would check to see if upsmon will write a text file first.. Look at using an Arduino.? Then have ASL read it.? David --Thanks, David "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Loren Tedford wrote: I was wondering if it was possible to have voltages read back on the repeater site.. Mainly 12 volt type scenario what type of equipment would i need to make this work with my current allstarlink system and how would it work?? I am running Dial on a PC with a pico power supply.? Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)?Phone:Fax:?1-618-551-2755 Email:?lorentedford at gmail.comEmail:?KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.comhttp://www.lorentedford.comhttp://www.kc9zhv.comhttp://forum.kc9zhv.comhttp://hub.kc9zhv.comhttp://Ltcraft.nethttp://voipham.com ______________________________ _________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users at lists. allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/ cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_ rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_ rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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URL: From horsezip at earthlink.net Sat Apr 29 15:38:27 2017 From: horsezip at earthlink.net (jimmy keffer) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:38:27 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> Message-ID: i just can't make it work i have troed 32 times From szingman at msgstor.com Sat Apr 29 15:40:01 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:40:01 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] upgrade to dial In-Reply-To: References: <32fba1e4-48c5-1239-d9f8-51efeb679a65@msgstor.com> <7cg7gc9k7npellc8baps530l6nt4ipfol3@4ax.com> Message-ID: Jimmy, You are not telling us a lot. What problem are you having? Steve On 04/29/2017 11:38 AM, jimmy keffer wrote: > i just can't make it work i have troed 32 times > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. From dpk at randomnotes.org Sun Apr 30 17:04:46 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:04:46 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Setting up a permanent radio-IP-radio setup Message-ID: I am helping another ham to set up a back-to-back remote base setup to help provide communication to a shaded area for a public service event. We have a working remote base setup with hamvoip.org distribution and now want to hook two of these back to back. I am helping with the Linux knowledge and got the current remote base working. I am looking for some pointers about how to do this, and timing is short. We need this running in 2 weeks. Here's his request in his own words: > I?ve got an event the first weekend of June that I want the linked radio > system for, so that is kind of what is driving my ?rush?. > > I would like to take the basic (final) software setup/configuration for > ASC-North and archive it so we always have that foundation. (Doesn?t need > to be by June 1). > > I would like to learn how to modify that foundation to create a different > remote base. Different Asterisk Name (1998, 1997, 1996, etc.), and whatever > other changes are necessary so an independent base can be established. > (Doesn?t need to be by June 1). > > I would like to set up two Pi?s with the USB interface and radios, so they > automatically, and exclusively, talk to each other. One I imagine (I?ll > call the primary base) would have to broadcast it?s IP (dyndns), the other > (I?ll call remote) would need to want to connect to that. This is the need > for the start of June. I have all of the needed hardware for both stations > (Pi, USB interface, radio). This specific request is totally unrelated to > ACS, but is in support of Special Olympics Washington Spring Games, which > are being conducted June 2, 3, 4 (and will probably be on non-amateur > radios/frequencies). They operate multiple venues which this year are more > geographically separated than they have been in the past, and we?ll no > longer be able to utilize simplex to talk between them. No reasonable > repeater option is available and putting up a temporary one is all but > impossible as it would have to be on JBLM someplace. > > Once this is set up, but not necessarily immediately, I would like to know > the specific programming for these that could be changed to add another > unique pair, or to add another single (remote) radio as a link to the > primary base. Any pointers would be most appreciated. I assume this will require defining some sort of default call, but I am new to asterisk. -Doug-, KD7DK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks again, Carl at n7kuw.com From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Doug Kingston Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 10:05 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Cc: Carl Subject: [App_rpt-users] Setting up a permanent radio-IP-radio setup I am helping another ham to set up a back-to-back remote base setup to help provide communication to a shaded area for a public service event. We have a working remote base setup with hamvoip.org distribution and now want to hook two of these back to back. I am helping with the Linux knowledge and got the current remote base working. I am looking for some pointers about how to do this, and timing is short. We need this running in 2 weeks. Here's his request in his own words: I?ve got an event the first weekend of June that I want the linked radio system for, so that is kind of what is driving my ?rush?. I would like to take the basic (final) software setup/configuration for ASC-North and archive it so we always have that foundation. (Doesn?t need to be by June 1). I would like to learn how to modify that foundation to create a different remote base. Different Asterisk Name (1998, 1997, 1996, etc.), and whatever other changes are necessary so an independent base can be established. (Doesn?t need to be by June 1). I would like to set up two Pi?s with the USB interface and radios, so they automatically, and exclusively, talk to each other. One I imagine (I?ll call the primary base) would have to broadcast it?s IP (dyndns), the other (I?ll call remote) would need to want to connect to that. This is the need for the start of June. I have all of the needed hardware for both stations (Pi, USB interface, radio). This specific request is totally unrelated to ACS, but is in support of Special Olympics Washington Spring Games, which are being conducted June 2, 3, 4 (and will probably be on non-amateur radios/frequencies). They operate multiple venues which this year are more geographically separated than they have been in the past, and we?ll no longer be able to utilize simplex to talk between them. No reasonable repeater option is available and putting up a temporary one is all but impossible as it would have to be on JBLM someplace. Once this is set up, but not necessarily immediately, I would like to know the specific programming for these that could be changed to add another unique pair, or to add another single (remote) radio as a link to the primary base. Any pointers would be most appreciated. I assume this will require defining some sort of default call, but I am new to asterisk. -Doug-, KD7DK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k6ecm1 at gmail.com Sun Apr 30 17:55:55 2017 From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:55:55 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Setting up a permanent radio-IP-radio setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51D6F534-5320-4052-B4D4-2D6DA213F90C@gmail.com> Doug, What do you mean, back-to-back? Is it your intent to link a group of private nodes? What is your network situation? IOW, does the remote node(s) have internet connectivity? Linking private nodes on the internet need to know where each other ar located (think IP address). This is setup in the [nodes] stanza in rpt.conf, where each : Thanks, Bob k6ecm 73 Sent from iPad > On Apr 30, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Doug Kingston wrote: > > I am helping another ham to set up a back-to-back remote base setup to help provide communication to a shaded area for a public service event. We have a working remote base setup with hamvoip.org distribution and now want to hook two of these back to back. I am helping with the Linux knowledge and got the current remote base working. I am looking for some pointers about how to do this, and timing is short. We need this running in 2 weeks. Here's his request in his own words: >> I?ve got an event the first weekend of June that I want the linked radio system for, so that is kind of what is driving my ?rush?. >> >> I would like to take the basic (final) software setup/configuration for ASC-North and archive it so we always have that foundation. (Doesn?t need to be by June 1). >> >> I would like to learn how to modify that foundation to create a different remote base. Different Asterisk Name (1998, 1997, 1996, etc.), and whatever other changes are necessary so an independent base can be established. (Doesn?t need to be by June 1). >> >> I would like to set up two Pi?s with the USB interface and radios, so they automatically, and exclusively, talk to each other. One I imagine (I?ll call the primary base) would have to broadcast it?s IP (dyndns), the other (I?ll call remote) would need to want to connect to that. This is the need for the start of June. I have all of the needed hardware for both stations (Pi, USB interface, radio). This specific request is totally unrelated to ACS, but is in support of Special Olympics Washington Spring Games, which are being conducted June 2, 3, 4 (and will probably be on non-amateur radios/frequencies). They operate multiple venues which this year are more geographically separated than they have been in the past, and we?ll no longer be able to utilize simplex to talk between them. No reasonable repeater option is available and putting up a temporary one is all but impossible as it would have to be on JBLM someplace. >> >> Once this is set up, but not necessarily immediately, I would like to know the specific programming for these that could be changed to add another unique pair, or to add another single (remote) radio as a link to the primary base. > > Any pointers would be most appreciated. I assume this will require defining some sort of default call, but I am new to asterisk. > > -Doug-, KD7DK > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpk at randomnotes.org Sun Apr 30 20:57:29 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:57:29 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Setting up a permanent radio-IP-radio setup In-Reply-To: <51D6F534-5320-4052-B4D4-2D6DA213F90C@gmail.com> References: <51D6F534-5320-4052-B4D4-2D6DA213F90C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bob, By back-to-back, I mean radio in location 1 hooked to allstar node (private) to IP to allstar node (also private) in location 2 to radio. The idea is to connect a shadowed area to Both locations have internet connectivity - they just don't have radio connectivity. We want the nodes to link up automatically on startup and to attempt to reconnect if disconnected. You mentioned using the [nodes] but also had a reference to content in the iax.conf file. Do you have an example we could use as a reference? I can see the sample for connecting periodically from cron in /etc/asterisk/local, but what if I want a permanent, reconnecting link? -Doug- On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Bob Pyke wrote: > Doug, > > What do you mean, back-to-back? Is it your intent to link a group of > private nodes? What is your network situation? IOW, does the remote node(s) > have internet connectivity? Linking private nodes on the internet need to > know where each other ar located (think IP address). This is setup in the > [nodes] stanza in rpt.conf, where each : > > Thanks, > Bob > k6ecm > 73 > > Sent from iPad > > > On Apr 30, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Doug Kingston wrote: > > I am helping another ham to set up a back-to-back remote base setup to > help provide communication to a shaded area for a public service event. We > have a working remote base setup with hamvoip.org distribution and now > want to hook two of these back to back. I am helping with the Linux > knowledge and got the current remote base working. I am looking for some > pointers about how to do this, and timing is short. We need this running > in 2 weeks. Here's his request in his own words: > >> I?ve got an event the first weekend of June that I want the linked radio >> system for, so that is kind of what is driving my ?rush?. >> >> I would like to take the basic (final) software setup/configuration for >> ASC-North and archive it so we always have that foundation. (Doesn?t need >> to be by June 1). >> >> I would like to learn how to modify that foundation to create a different >> remote base. Different Asterisk Name (1998, 1997, 1996, etc.), and whatever >> other changes are necessary so an independent base can be established. >> (Doesn?t need to be by June 1). >> >> I would like to set up two Pi?s with the USB interface and radios, so >> they automatically, and exclusively, talk to each other. One I imagine >> (I?ll call the primary base) would have to broadcast it?s IP (dyndns), the >> other (I?ll call remote) would need to want to connect to that. This is >> the need for the start of June. I have all of the needed hardware for both >> stations (Pi, USB interface, radio). This specific request is totally >> unrelated to ACS, but is in support of Special Olympics Washington Spring >> Games, which are being conducted June 2, 3, 4 (and will probably be on >> non-amateur radios/frequencies). They operate multiple venues which this >> year are more geographically separated than they have been in the past, and >> we?ll no longer be able to utilize simplex to talk between them. No >> reasonable repeater option is available and putting up a temporary one is >> all but impossible as it would have to be on JBLM someplace. >> >> Once this is set up, but not necessarily immediately, I would like to >> know the specific programming for these that could be changed to add >> another unique pair, or to add another single (remote) radio as a link to >> the primary base. > > > Any pointers would be most appreciated. I assume this will require > defining some sort of default call, but I am new to asterisk. > > -Doug-, KD7DK > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/ > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit > options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > confirmation. 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URL: From dpk at randomnotes.org Sun Apr 30 21:39:34 2017 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 14:39:34 -0700 Subject: [App_rpt-users] Setting up a permanent radio-IP-radio setup In-Reply-To: References: <51D6F534-5320-4052-B4D4-2D6DA213F90C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Maybe answering my own question... Do these commands from https://allstarlink.org/portal/dtmf_functionlist.php?node=2001 let me set up the permanent link as I described? *951 => Permanent Link Disconnect *952 => Permanent Link Connect (Monitor Only) *953 => Permanent Link Connect "Permanent" Links are links that are intended to be up all the time. The connection will be maintained constantly, unless explicitly disconnected with the Permanent Link Disconnect function (*953). A Permanent Link can not be disconnected with the standard Link Disconnect (*1) function. Assuming this is the case, what other changes do I need for authentication, etc. My guess is: 1) add entry to [nodes] section at bottom of rpt.conf 2) put in iax.conf on the destination node (not the one issuing the commands above) to permit the calling node to access. On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Doug Kingston wrote: > Bob, > > By back-to-back, I mean radio in location 1 hooked to allstar node > (private) to IP to allstar node (also private) in location 2 to radio. The > idea is to connect a shadowed area to > Both locations have internet connectivity - they just don't have radio > connectivity. > We want the nodes to link up automatically on startup and to attempt to > reconnect if disconnected. > > You mentioned using the [nodes] but also had a reference to content in the > iax.conf file. Do you have an example we could use as a reference? > I can see the sample for connecting periodically from cron in > /etc/asterisk/local, but what if I want a permanent, reconnecting link? > > -Doug- > > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Bob Pyke wrote: > >> Doug, >> >> What do you mean, back-to-back? Is it your intent to link a group of >> private nodes? What is your network situation? IOW, does the remote node(s) >> have internet connectivity? Linking private nodes on the internet need to >> know where each other ar located (think IP address). This is setup in the >> [nodes] stanza in rpt.conf, where each : >> >> Thanks, >> Bob >> k6ecm >> 73 >> >> Sent from iPad >> >> >> On Apr 30, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Doug Kingston wrote: >> >> I am helping another ham to set up a back-to-back remote base setup to >> help provide communication to a shaded area for a public service event. We >> have a working remote base setup with hamvoip.org distribution and now >> want to hook two of these back to back. I am helping with the Linux >> knowledge and got the current remote base working. I am looking for some >> pointers about how to do this, and timing is short. We need this running >> in 2 weeks. Here's his request in his own words: >> >>> I?ve got an event the first weekend of June that I want the linked radio >>> system for, so that is kind of what is driving my ?rush?. >>> >>> I would like to take the basic (final) software setup/configuration for >>> ASC-North and archive it so we always have that foundation. (Doesn?t need >>> to be by June 1). >>> >>> I would like to learn how to modify that foundation to create a >>> different remote base. Different Asterisk Name (1998, 1997, 1996, etc.), >>> and whatever other changes are necessary so an independent base can be >>> established. (Doesn?t need to be by June 1). >>> >>> I would like to set up two Pi?s with the USB interface and radios, so >>> they automatically, and exclusively, talk to each other. One I imagine >>> (I?ll call the primary base) would have to broadcast it?s IP (dyndns), the >>> other (I?ll call remote) would need to want to connect to that. This is >>> the need for the start of June. I have all of the needed hardware for both >>> stations (Pi, USB interface, radio). This specific request is totally >>> unrelated to ACS, but is in support of Special Olympics Washington Spring >>> Games, which are being conducted June 2, 3, 4 (and will probably be on >>> non-amateur radios/frequencies). They operate multiple venues which this >>> year are more geographically separated than they have been in the past, and >>> we?ll no longer be able to utilize simplex to talk between them. No >>> reasonable repeater option is available and putting up a temporary one is >>> all but impossible as it would have to be on JBLM someplace. >>> >>> Once this is set up, but not necessarily immediately, I would like to >>> know the specific programming for these that could be changed to add >>> another unique pair, or to add another single (remote) radio as a link to >>> the primary base. >> >> >> Any pointers would be most appreciated. I assume this will require >> defining some sort of default call, but I am new to asterisk. >> >> -Doug-, KD7DK >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >> >> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c >> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of >> the page. 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PR #3 submitted and I see you already merged it! *nonoload:* The unanchored sed commands in /usr/local/sbin/pcf.sh cause "noload" to become "nonoload", "nononoload" and so on each time nodesetup is run. # grep nono /etc/asterisk/modules.conf nononoload => chan_simpleusb.so ; CM1xx USB Cards with Radio Interface Channel Driver (No DSP) Here's where this happens in /usr/local/sbin/pcf.sh: 691: sed -i 's/noload => chan_simpleusb.so/load => chan_simpleusb.so/g' /etc/asterisk/modules.conf 692: sed -i 's/load => chan_usbradio.so/noload => chan_usbradio.so/g' /etc/asterisk/modules.conf 695: sed -i 's/load => chan_simpleusb.so/noload => chan_simpleusb.so/g' /etc/asterisk/modules.conf 696: sed -i 's/noload => chan_usbradio.so/load => chan_usbradio.so/g' /etc/asterisk/modules.conf Fix is to change them to: sed -i 's/^...' to anchor the pattern but I was unable to find where this happens in the source code so didn't submit a PR. It looks like pcf.sh is derived from https://allstarlink.org/config/portalconfig.sh but I'm missing something... *one-way audio with rb-usb-rim lite-scom 7330 :* We seemed to have one-way audio where audio from the SCOM was not being heard via the (763) phone dialup but phone audio was being transmitted by the SCOM. In the process of debugging this, we decided to see if there were packets flowing outbound and tried to "apt-get install tcpdump" and saw that it needed some updates, so we did an "apt-get update" and, lo and behold, the one-way audio problem went away. (Could be app_rpt saw we were getting ready to watch it;-) So perhaps there was just an update that needed to get installed, or it was just gremlins. Maybe just an Asterisk restart needed. Always frustrating when "circuit tested, no trouble found" after 4 hours of head-scratching. We had done many service asterisk stop/start cycles. So if firsttime isn't already, it should probably do an apt-get update. We had also played around with "radio tune rxvoice" with a service monitor (and saved the tune config) to make sure there was actually audio going in to the RIM and at the right level. Anyway, the good news is I believe we got this stuff working and the firsttime/nodesetup stuff makes it really easy. Thanks & 73 de N2YGK & N2DVQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From szingman at msgstor.com Sun Apr 30 22:28:24 2017 From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:28:24 -0400 Subject: [App_rpt-users] RAT_RC1.img errata In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, Yes, I did not enable firsttime on the RPi. I'll fix it soon. For now: touch /etc/asterisk/firsttime I'll look at pcf.sh The one way audio is interesting. I need to add apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to the first boot. Thanks for the patch to firsttime. I merged it. Steve On 04/30/2017 06:22 PM, Alan Crosswell wrote: > Hi Steve, et. al.: > > A couple of errata for RAT_RC1.img on a Pi 3B: > > *firsttime:* > > 1) Does not happen on first boot after copying the img to CF and first > login as root. Still investigating reproducing this but it seems that > means the img is missing /etc/asterisk/firsttime. Maybe I'll try > opening this with a loopback FS to see what's in the image before it > boots. > > 2) Hit enter instead of Y or N at password change prompt and get a > syntax error. PR #3 > submitted and I see you > already merged it! > > */no/noload:* > * > * > The unanchored sed commands in /usr/local/sbin/pcf.sh cause "noload" > to become "nonoload", "nononoload" and so on each time nodesetup is run. > > # grep nono /etc/asterisk/modules.conf > nononoload => chan_simpleusb.so ;CM1xx USB Cards with Radio Interface > Channel Driver (No DSP) > > Here's where this happens in /usr/local/sbin/pcf.sh: > > 691: sed -i 's/noload => chan_simpleusb.so/load > => chan_simpleusb.so/g > ' /etc/asterisk/modules.conf > 692: sed -i 's/load => chan_usbradio.so/noload > => chan_usbradio.so/g > ' /etc/asterisk/modules.conf > 695: sed -i 's/load => chan_simpleusb.so/noload > => chan_simpleusb.so/g > ' /etc/asterisk/modules.conf > 696: sed -i 's/noload => chan_usbradio.so/load > => chan_usbradio.so/g > ' /etc/asterisk/modules.conf > > Fix is to change them to: sed -i 's/^...' to anchor the pattern but I > was unable to find where this happens in the source code so didn't > submit a PR. It looks like pcf.sh is derived from > https://allstarlink.org/config/portalconfig.sh but I'm missing > something... > > *one-way audio with rb-usb-rim lite-scom 7330 > :* > * > * > We seemed to have one-way audio where audio from the SCOM was not > being heard via the (763) phone dialup but phone audio was being > transmitted by the SCOM. In the process of debugging this, we decided > to see if there were packets flowing outbound and tried to "apt-get > install tcpdump" and saw that it needed some updates, so we did an > "apt-get update" and, lo and behold, the one-way audio problem went > away. (Could be app_rpt saw we were getting ready to watch it;-) So > perhaps there was just an update that needed to get installed, or it > was just gremlins. Maybe just an Asterisk restart needed. Always > frustrating when "circuit tested, no trouble found" after 4 hours of > head-scratching. We had done many service asterisk stop/start cycles. > So if firsttime isn't already, it should probably do an apt-get update. > > We had also played around with "radio tune rxvoice" with a service > monitor (and saved the tune config) to make sure there was actually > audio going in to the RIM and at the right level. > > Anyway, the good news is I believe we got this stuff working and the > firsttime/nodesetup stuff makes it really easy. > > Thanks & 73 de N2YGK & N2DVQ > > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt-users mailing list > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. 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The iax.conf "bindport=" equals your UDP address, which follows the remote node IP address with a separating ":" Thanks, Bob Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Doug Kingston wrote: > > Maybe answering my own question... > > Do these commands from https://allstarlink.org/portal/dtmf_functionlist.php?node=2001 let me set up the permanent link as I described? > *951 => Permanent Link Disconnect > *952 => Permanent Link Connect (Monitor Only) > *953 => Permanent Link Connect > > "Permanent" Links are links that are intended to be up all the time. The connection will be maintained constantly, unless explicitly disconnected with the Permanent Link Disconnect function (*953). A Permanent Link can not be disconnected with the standard Link Disconnect (*1) function. > > Assuming this is the case, what other changes do I need for authentication, etc. > > My guess is: > 1) add entry to [nodes] section at bottom of rpt.conf > 2) put in iax.conf on the destination node (not the one issuing the commands above) to permit the calling node to access. > > >> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Doug Kingston wrote: >> Bob, >> >> By back-to-back, I mean radio in location 1 hooked to allstar node (private) to IP to allstar node (also private) in location 2 to radio. The idea is to connect a shadowed area to >> Both locations have internet connectivity - they just don't have radio connectivity. >> We want the nodes to link up automatically on startup and to attempt to reconnect if disconnected. >> >> You mentioned using the [nodes] but also had a reference to content in the iax.conf file. Do you have an example we could use as a reference? >> I can see the sample for connecting periodically from cron in /etc/asterisk/local, but what if I want a permanent, reconnecting link? >> >> -Doug- >> >> >>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Bob Pyke wrote: >>> Doug, >>> >>> What do you mean, back-to-back? Is it your intent to link a group of private nodes? What is your network situation? IOW, does the remote node(s) have internet connectivity? Linking private nodes on the internet need to know where each other ar located (think IP address). This is setup in the [nodes] stanza in rpt.conf, where each : >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Bob >>> k6ecm >>> 73 >>> >>> Sent from iPad >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Doug Kingston wrote: >>>> >>>> I am helping another ham to set up a back-to-back remote base setup to help provide communication to a shaded area for a public service event. We have a working remote base setup with hamvoip.org distribution and now want to hook two of these back to back. I am helping with the Linux knowledge and got the current remote base working. I am looking for some pointers about how to do this, and timing is short. We need this running in 2 weeks. Here's his request in his own words: >>>>> I?ve got an event the first weekend of June that I want the linked radio system for, so that is kind of what is driving my ?rush?. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to take the basic (final) software setup/configuration for ASC-North and archive it so we always have that foundation. (Doesn?t need to be by June 1). >>>>> >>>>> I would like to learn how to modify that foundation to create a different remote base. Different Asterisk Name (1998, 1997, 1996, etc.), and whatever other changes are necessary so an independent base can be established. (Doesn?t need to be by June 1). >>>>> >>>>> I would like to set up two Pi?s with the USB interface and radios, so they automatically, and exclusively, talk to each other. One I imagine (I?ll call the primary base) would have to broadcast it?s IP (dyndns), the other (I?ll call remote) would need to want to connect to that. This is the need for the start of June. I have all of the needed hardware for both stations (Pi, USB interface, radio). This specific request is totally unrelated to ACS, but is in support of Special Olympics Washington Spring Games, which are being conducted June 2, 3, 4 (and will probably be on non-amateur radios/frequencies). They operate multiple venues which this year are more geographically separated than they have been in the past, and we?ll no longer be able to utilize simplex to talk between them. No reasonable repeater option is available and putting up a temporary one is all but impossible as it would have to be on JBLM someplace. >>>>> >>>>> Once this is set up, but not necessarily immediately, I would like to know the specific programming for these that could be changed to add another unique pair, or to add another single (remote) radio as a link to the primary base. >>>> >>>> Any pointers would be most appreciated. I assume this will require defining some sort of default call, but I am new to asterisk. >>>> >>>> -Doug-, KD7DK >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> App_rpt-users mailing list >>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org >>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. 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