[App_rpt-users] experimental reflector irlp

Sat Feb 4 15:45:19 UTC 2017

Has anyone actually asked him about his present thoughts? My guess is no. He has allowed specific exceptions I believe. Perhaps he might reconsider.
 Steven Donegan
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    On Saturday, February 4, 2017 7:39 AM, Michael J. Wolthuis <wolthuis at gmail.com> wrote:

 There are several views here and you can find most of this in the archives.

I believe the issue is the IRLP network doesn’t want computer users and/or phones on the network like Echolink/Allstar.  They want actual radios on both ends of a conversation.  That is ok – their network, their rules.

So, to date the work arounds have been:
1) Dave Cameron is ok with connecting Allstar to a joint EchoIRLP reflector (that does Echolink and IRLP) because you as a user choose to connect to that reflector.  Many of the Great Lakes Reflectors are designed with Allstar, Echolink and IRLP.  It doesn’t work perfectly always.
2) You can use an EXP IRLP node number, again because endusers have to enable it on the IRLP network giving them the choice to connect to these or not.
In both examples the IRLP user must CONNECT to the system.  Reflectors and EXP Nodes are not able to make outbound calls.

I too would LOVE to see an approval for IRLP added back in to Allstar, but it needs to somehow be secure to keep telephones, cellphone apps, IAX clients, Java clients, and non-radio users from not connecting when IRLP is active.  As has been shown on EchoIRLP Dave Cameron is fine with connections to IRLP as long as they adhere to the rules.

The previous issue as I understand it is that Allstar users were connecting phones and other methods to IRLP – that is against those network rules.

Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected.  

I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver.

We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active

You can see more about this on my astEchoIRLP project, that actually did solve this using the EchoIRLP design by Tony VK3JED about 3 years ago.  I realize this is the other way around.

Certainly would love to see our ham community work this out, but we need to solve the reason IRLP doesn’t want Allstar nodes connected and then we “may” be able to work it all out.

My $0.02,
Mike
Kb8zgl

On 2/4/17, 10:28 AM, "App_rpt-users on behalf of Buddy Brannan" <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org on behalf of buddy at brannan.name> wrote:

    Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox. 

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    > On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com> wrote:
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    > I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution.. 
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    > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <donegan at donegan.org> wrote:
    > The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful.
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    > On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1 at gmail.com> wrote:
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    > I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp
    > 
    > El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <allstarlinks at gmail.com> escribió:
    > IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. I'm sorry we can no longer support IRLP. 
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    > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:27 AM, ea8ee <ea8ee1 at gmail.com> wrote:
    > I have experimental reflector and I would like to add it to my allstar node as I could do it?
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