From ka6ken at alker.net  Thu Jun  1 07:51:23 2017
From: ka6ken at alker.net (Ken Alker)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 00:51:23 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] mini-pc recommendations for Allstar / Dial
Message-ID: <3498D61B53C007FB07196024@[10.0.0.109]>

Hello,

I am brand new to this list and Allstar (although I have been using 
Asterisk for well over a decade).  I would like to run three URIs off of 
one PC running Dial.  The PC will also communicate with at least three 
RTCMs at other locations.  I ASSuME, based on this requirement, that a 
mini-PC would be the best platform (and not a Rasberry Pi or other ARM 
based processor).  Please correct me if this is wrong (as I'd love to get 
away with a super low power $35 computer).

What mini-PC platforms have people successfully used (IOW, what mini-PCs 
would you suggest I look into)?  I'd like something relatively inexpensive, 
low power, and with no moving parts (for a difficult to reach remote 
location at high elevation).

I've been looking into the Qotom mini-PCs, however, many of them seem to be 
based on the J1900, and I have heard that the Intel "Bay Trail" processors 
(of which the J1900 is one) have some clock issues due to a conflict with 
the (Debian) kernel being used in the Dial/Allstar project.  I don't know 
if newer releases of the processor have fixed this, or if it applies to 
every single Bay Trail processor ever produced.  Perhaps someone can 
expound on this for me, as well.

Thank you!

Ken Alker
KA6KEN
http://www.impulse.net


From markjohnston73 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 12:46:22 2017
From: markjohnston73 at gmail.com (Mark Johnston)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 05:46:22 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] mini-pc recommendations for Allstar / Dial
In-Reply-To: <3498D61B53C007FB07196024@10.0.0.109>
References: <3498D61B53C007FB07196024@10.0.0.109>
Message-ID: <CAARNdJEPS0AZDkzXTE51AjOOBGxeUp-KMo7DBP9e2wqajMaDjA@mail.gmail.com>

I have purchased a few using the Intel Atom CPU, they are not super fast,
but I have had 4 URI's connected with no issues, and internet streaming as
well on one node... they are inexpensive, and no fan on them, got 12V power
supplies for them, mounted it all in a 1U rack, but there are plenty of
other small form factor PC's like that if you just want a desktop style
(mini) computer. Some are "Industrial" type, might look at what amazon has,
etc...



"Got Root?"

How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb?
*None. It's a hardware problem.*


Unix is user friendly. It's just very particular about who it's friends are.
WINDOWS: Will Install Needless Data On Whole System
MICROSOFT: Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools
Teenagers.


A ntennas
P oorly
P laced
L acks
E ngineering

The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s?.

*"I get paid to support Windows, I use Linux to get work done."*


On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Ken Alker <ka6ken at alker.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am brand new to this list and Allstar (although I have been using
> Asterisk for well over a decade).  I would like to run three URIs off of
> one PC running Dial.  The PC will also communicate with at least three
> RTCMs at other locations.  I ASSuME, based on this requirement, that a
> mini-PC would be the best platform (and not a Rasberry Pi or other ARM
> based processor).  Please correct me if this is wrong (as I'd love to get
> away with a super low power $35 computer).
>
> What mini-PC platforms have people successfully used (IOW, what mini-PCs
> would you suggest I look into)?  I'd like something relatively inexpensive,
> low power, and with no moving parts (for a difficult to reach remote
> location at high elevation).
>
> I've been looking into the Qotom mini-PCs, however, many of them seem to
> be based on the J1900, and I have heard that the Intel "Bay Trail"
> processors (of which the J1900 is one) have some clock issues due to a
> conflict with the (Debian) kernel being used in the Dial/Allstar project.
> I don't know if newer releases of the processor have fixed this, or if it
> applies to every single Bay Trail processor ever produced.  Perhaps someone
> can expound on this for me, as well.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Ken Alker
> KA6KEN
> http://www.impulse.net
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
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> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of
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From ka6ken at alker.net  Thu Jun  1 16:31:04 2017
From: ka6ken at alker.net (Ken Alker)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 09:31:04 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] mini-pc recommendations for Allstar / Dial
In-Reply-To: <CAARNdJEPS0AZDkzXTE51AjOOBGxeUp-KMo7DBP9e2wqajMaDjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3498D61B53C007FB07196024@10.0.0.109>
 <CAARNdJEPS0AZDkzXTE51AjOOBGxeUp-KMo7DBP9e2wqajMaDjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2289FEB8B20CDBE6DBDFE77@[10.0.0.109]>

Thanks.  Have you managed to avoid the freeze-up issue due to the clock 
problems on certain Atom processors (Bay Trail, and possibly others) due to 
a conflict with the kernel being used in the Dial release (apparently, a 
CPU problem, but a problem nonetheless)?

--On Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:46 AM -0700 Mark Johnston 
<markjohnston73 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have purchased a few using the Intel Atom CPU, they are not super fast,
> but I have had 4 URI's connected with no issues, and internet streaming
> as well on one node... they are inexpensive, and no fan on them, got 12V
> power supplies for them, mounted it all in a 1U rack, but there are
> plenty of other small form factor PC's like that if you just want a
> desktop style (mini) computer. Some are "Industrial" type, might look at
> what amazon has, etc...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Got Root?"
>
>
> How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb?
> None. It's a hardware problem.
>
>
>
>
> Unix is user friendly. It's just very particular about who it's friends
> are.
> WINDOWS: Will Install Needless Data On Whole System
> MICROSOFT: Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools
> Teenagers.
>
>
>
>
>
> A ntennas
> P oorly
> P laced
> L acks
> E ngineering
>
> The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s?.
>
>
> "I get paid to support Windows, I use Linux to get work done."
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Ken Alker <ka6ken at alker.net> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am brand new to this list and Allstar (although I have been using
> Asterisk for well over a decade).? I would like to run three URIs off of
> one PC running Dial.? The PC will also communicate with at least three
> RTCMs at other locations.? I ASSuME, based on this requirement, that a
> mini-PC would be the best platform (and not a Rasberry Pi or other ARM
> based processor).? Please correct me if this is wrong (as I'd love to
> get away with a super low power $35 computer).
>
> What mini-PC platforms have people successfully used (IOW, what mini-PCs
> would you suggest I look into)?? I'd like something relatively
> inexpensive, low power, and with no moving parts (for a difficult to
> reach remote location at high elevation).
>
> I've been looking into the Qotom mini-PCs, however, many of them seem to
> be based on the J1900, and I have heard that the Intel "Bay Trail"
> processors (of which the J1900 is one) have some clock issues due to a
> conflict with the (Debian) kernel being used in the Dial/Allstar
> project.? I don't know if newer releases of the processor have fixed
> this, or if it applies to every single Bay Trail processor ever
> produced.? Perhaps someone can expound on this for me, as well.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Ken Alker
> KA6KEN
> http://www.impulse.net
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
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>






From steve at siesel.net  Fri Jun  2 01:55:48 2017
From: steve at siesel.net (Steve Siesel)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 21:55:48 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First Time Install with some issues..
Message-ID: <01ee01d2db43$5bb3af80$131b0e80$@siesel.net>

 

All,

 

Here is what my problems are:

 

1.       Getting the following in my asterisk trace:

 

[Jun  1 21:33:22] WARNING[587] chan_iax2.c: REGISTER-LOG: registry
rereqquest

[Jun  1 21:34:12] WARNING[588] chan_iax2.c: REGISTER-LOG: Sending
registration request for '46031'

[Jun  1 21:34:12] WARNING[580] chan_iax2.c: REGISTER-LOG: registry
rereqquest

 

However my iax2 show registry shows:

DMRLink*CLI> iax2 show registry

Host                  dnsmgr  Username    Perceived             Refresh
State

67.215.233.178:4569   Y       46031       47.203.114.127:1025        60
Registered

 

2.       I have port forwarded both udp and tcp 4569 to the Allstar node.  I
have also added the following to iax.conf for Zopier access:

 

 

[k4ksa]

username=steve

type=friend

context=myphone

host=dynamic

auth=md5

secret=xxxxxxx

disallow=all

allow=ulaw

allow=g726aal2

allow=gsm

codecpriority=host

transfer=no

;callerid=K4KSA

 

I have also added the context to extensions.conf as well.

 

This is what I am getting in the asterisk trace when trying to register
(also getting error 29 from Zopier)

 

[Jun  1 21:35:35] NOTICE[585] chan_iax2.c: No registration for peer 'steve'
(from 47.203.114.127)

[Jun  1 21:35:37] NOTICE[582] chan_iax2.c: No registration for peer 'steve'
(from 47.203.114.127)

[Jun  1 21:35:40] NOTICE[585] chan_iax2.c: No registration for peer 'steve'
(from 47.203.114.127)

 

 

3.       Telephone access from Allstar. When using the dial in telephone
number trying to get voice or function access it times out with a busy
signal. I did a tcpdump port 4569 and I can see the telephone service making
It to the machine:

 

21:43:29.564494 IP seal.lambdatel.com.iax > DMRLink.home.iax: UDP, length 96

21:43:29.565075 IP DMRLink.home.iax > seal.lambdatel.com.iax: UDP, length 65

 

 

Using RAT RC1

 

Anyone have any thoughts to my three problems?

 

Steve

K4KSA

 

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From markjohnston73 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 03:14:29 2017
From: markjohnston73 at gmail.com (Mark Johnston)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 20:14:29 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] mini-pc recommendations for Allstar / Dial
In-Reply-To: <C2289FEB8B20CDBE6DBDFE77@10.0.0.109>
References: <3498D61B53C007FB07196024@10.0.0.109>
 <CAARNdJEPS0AZDkzXTE51AjOOBGxeUp-KMo7DBP9e2wqajMaDjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <C2289FEB8B20CDBE6DBDFE77@10.0.0.109>
Message-ID: <CAARNdJFWq1B0=ecMtrtn7MypdUen9MNsHXVKB4aPnnUSDRSUOA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know how often there would be a freeze up,

*root at KC7DMF:~# uptime*

* 19:22:06 up 19 days, 31 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.05, 0.09, 0.12*


*I believe this may address the issue, I added  **kernel.panic = 20  *

*to /etc/sysctl.conf*

*I know it would kernel panic once in a great while, never did find exactly
why, but this seems to keep it running.*

*I also wrote a script when the network has packet loss, to restart...*




"Got Root?"

How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb?
*None. It's a hardware problem.*


Unix is user friendly. It's just very particular about who it's friends are.
WINDOWS: Will Install Needless Data On Whole System
MICROSOFT: Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools
Teenagers.


A ntennas
P oorly
P laced
L acks
E ngineering

The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s?.

*"I get paid to support Windows, I use Linux to get work done."*


On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Ken Alker <ka6ken at alker.net> wrote:

> Thanks.  Have you managed to avoid the freeze-up issue due to the clock
> problems on certain Atom processors (Bay Trail, and possibly others) due to
> a conflict with the kernel being used in the Dial release (apparently, a
> CPU problem, but a problem nonetheless)?
>
>
> --On Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:46 AM -0700 Mark Johnston <
> markjohnston73 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have purchased a few using the Intel Atom CPU, they are not super fast,
>> but I have had 4 URI's connected with no issues, and internet streaming
>> as well on one node... they are inexpensive, and no fan on them, got 12V
>> power supplies for them, mounted it all in a 1U rack, but there are
>> plenty of other small form factor PC's like that if you just want a
>> desktop style (mini) computer. Some are "Industrial" type, might look at
>> what amazon has, etc...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Got Root?"
>>
>>
>> How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb?
>> None. It's a hardware problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Unix is user friendly. It's just very particular about who it's friends
>> are.
>> WINDOWS: Will Install Needless Data On Whole System
>> MICROSOFT: Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools
>> Teenagers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A ntennas
>> P oorly
>> P laced
>> L acks
>> E ngineering
>>
>> The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s?.
>>
>>
>> "I get paid to support Windows, I use Linux to get work done."
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Ken Alker <ka6ken at alker.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am brand new to this list and Allstar (although I have been using
>> Asterisk for well over a decade).  I would like to run three URIs off of
>> one PC running Dial.  The PC will also communicate with at least three
>> RTCMs at other locations.  I ASSuME, based on this requirement, that a
>> mini-PC would be the best platform (and not a Rasberry Pi or other ARM
>> based processor).  Please correct me if this is wrong (as I'd love to
>> get away with a super low power $35 computer).
>>
>> What mini-PC platforms have people successfully used (IOW, what mini-PCs
>> would you suggest I look into)?  I'd like something relatively
>> inexpensive, low power, and with no moving parts (for a difficult to
>> reach remote location at high elevation).
>>
>> I've been looking into the Qotom mini-PCs, however, many of them seem to
>> be based on the J1900, and I have heard that the Intel "Bay Trail"
>> processors (of which the J1900 is one) have some clock issues due to a
>> conflict with the (Debian) kernel being used in the Dial/Allstar
>> project.  I don't know if newer releases of the processor have fixed
>> this, or if it applies to every single Bay Trail processor ever
>> produced.  Perhaps someone can expound on this for me, as well.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Ken Alker
>> KA6KEN
>> http://www.impulse.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and
>> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press
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>> the list detailing the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 14:46:56 2017
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 07:46:56 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First Time Install with some issues..
In-Reply-To: <01ee01d2db43$5bb3af80$131b0e80$@siesel.net>
References: <01ee01d2db43$5bb3af80$131b0e80$@siesel.net>
Message-ID: <9866DCCF-2830-44CF-AA75-3D45AE17568B@gmail.com>

Item 1, does not concern me. with respect to 2 & 3, how did you setup extensions.conf? Did you set it up for zoiper?



Thanks,
Bob
k6ecm
73

Sent from iPad


> On Jun 1, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Steve Siesel <steve at siesel.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> All,
>  
> Here is what my problems are:
>  
> 1.       Getting the following in my asterisk trace:
>  
> [Jun  1 21:33:22] WARNING[587] chan_iax2.c: REGISTER-LOG: registry rereqquest
> [Jun  1 21:34:12] WARNING[588] chan_iax2.c: REGISTER-LOG: Sending registration request for '46031'
> [Jun  1 21:34:12] WARNING[580] chan_iax2.c: REGISTER-LOG: registry rereqquest
>  
> However my iax2 show registry shows:
> DMRLink*CLI> iax2 show registry
> Host                  dnsmgr  Username    Perceived             Refresh  State
> 67.215.233.178:4569   Y       46031       47.203.114.127:1025        60  Registered
>  
> 2.       I have port forwarded both udp and tcp 4569 to the Allstar node.  I have also added the following to iax.conf for Zopier access:
>  
>  
> [k4ksa]
> username=steve
> type=friend
> context=myphone
> host=dynamic
> auth=md5
> secret=xxxxxxx
> disallow=all
> allow=ulaw
> allow=g726aal2
> allow=gsm
> codecpriority=host
> transfer=no
> ;callerid=K4KSA
>  
> I have also added the context to extensions.conf as well.
>  
> This is what I am getting in the asterisk trace when trying to register (also getting error 29 from Zopier)
>  
> [Jun  1 21:35:35] NOTICE[585] chan_iax2.c: No registration for peer 'steve' (from 47.203.114.127)
> [Jun  1 21:35:37] NOTICE[582] chan_iax2.c: No registration for peer 'steve' (from 47.203.114.127)
> [Jun  1 21:35:40] NOTICE[585] chan_iax2.c: No registration for peer 'steve' (from 47.203.114.127)
>  
>  
> 3.       Telephone access from Allstar. When using the dial in telephone number trying to get voice or function access it times out with a busy signal. I did a tcpdump port 4569 and I can see the telephone service making It to the machine:
>  
> 21:43:29.564494 IP seal.lambdatel.com.iax > DMRLink.home.iax: UDP, length 96
> 21:43:29.565075 IP DMRLink.home.iax > seal.lambdatel.com.iax: UDP, length 65
>  
>  
> Using RAT RC1
>  
> Anyone have any thoughts to my three problems?
>  
> Steve
> K4KSA
>  
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From steve at siesel.net  Fri Jun  2 15:38:07 2017
From: steve at siesel.net (Steve Siesel)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 11:38:07 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First Time Install with some issues..
In-Reply-To: <9866DCCF-2830-44CF-AA75-3D45AE17568B@gmail.com>
References: <01ee01d2db43$5bb3af80$131b0e80$@siesel.net>
 <9866DCCF-2830-44CF-AA75-3D45AE17568B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <021501d2dbb6$3bc765e0$b35631a0$@siesel.net>

Yes! I did set up extensions.conf as well. 

 

>From iax.conf:

 

[k4ksa]

username=steve

type=friend

context=myphone

host=dynamic

auth=md5

secret=xxxxxxxxx

disallow=all

allow=ulaw

allow=g726aal2

allow=gsm

codecpriority=host

transfer=no

;callerid=K4KSA

 

 

>From extensions.conf:

 

[myphone]

?Settings for Zoiper

exten => 46031,1,answer() ?Change the node number on all these lines to your ow$

exten => 46031,n,Playback(rpt/node)

exten => 46031,n,Playback(digits/4) ? change the playback digits to your node a$

exten => 46031,n,Playback(digits/1)

exten => 46031,n,Playback(digits/7)

exten => 46031,n,Playback(digits/6)

exten => 46031,n,Playback(digits/4)

exten => 46031,n,Playback(rpt/connected)

exten => 46031,n,rpt(46031|Pv) ? Change both numbers here to your node

 

 

Also any idea why I can?t connect from the allstarlink telephone portal?

 

Steve

 

 

From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Bob Pyke
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 10:47 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] First Time Install with some issues..

 

Item 1, does not concern me. with respect to 2 & 3, how did you setup extensions.conf? Did you set it up for zoiper?

 

 

Thanks,

Bob

k6ecm

73

 

Sent from iPad

 


On Jun 1, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Steve Siesel <steve at siesel.net <mailto:steve at siesel.net> > wrote:

 

All,

 

Here is what my problems are:

 

1.       Getting the following in my asterisk trace:

 

[Jun  1 21:33:22] WARNING[587] chan_iax2.c: REGISTER-LOG: registry rereqquest

[Jun  1 21:34:12] WARNING[588] chan_iax2.c: REGISTER-LOG: Sending registration request for '46031'

[Jun  1 21:34:12] WARNING[580] chan_iax2.c: REGISTER-LOG: registry rereqquest

 

However my iax2 show registry shows:

DMRLink*CLI> iax2 show registry

Host                  dnsmgr  Username    Perceived             Refresh  State

67.215.233.178:4569   Y       46031       47.203.114.127:1025        60  Registered

 

2.       I have port forwarded both udp and tcp 4569 to the Allstar node.  I have also added the following to iax.conf for Zopier access:

 

 

[k4ksa]

username=steve

type=friend

context=myphone

host=dynamic

auth=md5

secret=xxxxxxx

disallow=all

allow=ulaw

allow=g726aal2

allow=gsm

codecpriority=host

transfer=no

;callerid=K4KSA

 

I have also added the context to extensions.conf as well.

 

This is what I am getting in the asterisk trace when trying to register (also getting error 29 from Zopier)

 

[Jun  1 21:35:35] NOTICE[585] chan_iax2.c: No registration for peer 'steve' (from 47.203.114.127)

[Jun  1 21:35:37] NOTICE[582] chan_iax2.c: No registration for peer 'steve' (from 47.203.114.127)

[Jun  1 21:35:40] NOTICE[585] chan_iax2.c: No registration for peer 'steve' (from 47.203.114.127)

 

 

3.       Telephone access from Allstar. When using the dial in telephone number trying to get voice or function access it times out with a busy signal. I did a tcpdump port 4569 and I can see the telephone service making It to the machine:

 

21:43:29.564494 IP seal.lambdatel.com.iax > DMRLink.home.iax: UDP, length 96

21:43:29.565075 IP DMRLink.home.iax > seal.lambdatel.com.iax: UDP, length 65

 

 

Using RAT RC1

 

Anyone have any thoughts to my three problems?

 

Steve

K4KSA

 

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From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 16:25:24 2017
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 09:25:24 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] First Time Install with some issues..
In-Reply-To: <021501d2dbb6$3bc765e0$b35631a0$@siesel.net>
References: <01ee01d2db43$5bb3af80$131b0e80$@siesel.net>
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Message-ID: <067BE02D-1F2B-4F44-97D0-611FD0481D63@gmail.com>

I'm not seeing the issue. Also, I've not setup a phone, but wonder if you need to setup sip.conf, which also needs to be enabled in modules.conf.

Thanks,
Bob
k6ecm
73

Sent from iPad


> On Jun 2, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Steve Siesel <steve at siesel.net> wrote:
> 
> conf:


From zl1bhd at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 11:55:59 2017
From: zl1bhd at gmail.com (Steve Wright)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 23:55:59 +1200
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ohnosec
Message-ID: <CAHxJrt3AmfTZOR3gYKmr1g25iu9L6_9ss7mdxiEAqu6j3NdG-Q@mail.gmail.com>

What is the proper entry point for asterisk app_rpt?

If ohnosec is it, then quite frankly it is completely incoherent - even for
seasoned linux folks.

thanks
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From szingman at msgstor.com  Mon Jun  5 12:15:33 2017
From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 08:15:33 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ohnosec
In-Reply-To: <CAHxJrt3AmfTZOR3gYKmr1g25iu9L6_9ss7mdxiEAqu6j3NdG-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Steve,
I'm not sure what you mean by entry point.

73, Steve N4IRS

On 6/5/2017 7:55 AM, Steve Wright wrote:
> What is the proper entry point for asterisk app_rpt?
>
> If ohnosec is it, then quite frankly it is completely incoherent - 
> even for seasoned linux folks.
>
> thanks
> s
>
>
>
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From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 20:25:00 2017
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 13:25:00 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ohnosec
In-Reply-To: <4bf05661-3e14-b046-3551-b4e01747e162@msgstor.com>
References: <CAHxJrt3AmfTZOR3gYKmr1g25iu9L6_9ss7mdxiEAqu6j3NdG-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/

Although I do like and still use ohnosec, the old site:-)

Search the web where you will find some blogs on setting up asterisk for the first time.  They were written for the older version ACID, but they still work. 

Thanks,
Bob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:15 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com> wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> I'm not sure what you mean by entry point.
> 
> 73, Steve N4IRS
> 
>> On 6/5/2017 7:55 AM, Steve Wright wrote:
>> What is the proper entry point for asterisk app_rpt?
>> 
>> If ohnosec is it, then quite frankly it is completely incoherent - even for seasoned linux folks.
>> 
>> thanks
>> s
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 20:28:43 2017
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 13:28:43 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ohnosec
In-Reply-To: <83876786-E652-4B41-B26E-4F2E581A9F9C@gmail.com>
References: <CAHxJrt3AmfTZOR3gYKmr1g25iu9L6_9ss7mdxiEAqu6j3NdG-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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P.S. For better understanding of Asterisk in general there is https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1449332420/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496694406&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=asterisk

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Bob Pyke <k6ecm1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/
> 
> Although I do like and still use ohnosec, the old site:-)
> 
> Search the web where you will find some blogs on setting up asterisk for the first time.  They were written for the older version ACID, but they still work. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:15 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Steve,
>> I'm not sure what you mean by entry point.
>> 
>> 73, Steve N4IRS
>> 
>>> On 6/5/2017 7:55 AM, Steve Wright wrote:
>>> What is the proper entry point for asterisk app_rpt?
>>> 
>>> If ohnosec is it, then quite frankly it is completely incoherent - even for seasoned linux folks.
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> s
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 21:00:16 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 16:00:16 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ohnosec
In-Reply-To: <5C9E0152-8F83-4595-8B12-4CE3D01AC391@gmail.com>
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Instead of paying 40 dollars for the book you can also download the book
free
http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/Asterisk-%20The%20Definitive%20Guide,%204th%20Edition.pdf

Just a thought..

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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http://forum.kc9zhv.com
http://hub.kc9zhv.com
http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Bob Pyke <k6ecm1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> P.S. For better understanding of Asterisk in general there is
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1449332420/ref=mp_s_a_1_
> 1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496694406&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=asterisk
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Bob Pyke <k6ecm1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/
>
> Although I do like and still use ohnosec, the old site:-)
>
> Search the web where you will find some blogs on setting up asterisk for
> the first time.  They were written for the older version ACID, but they
> still work.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:15 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com> wrote:
>
> Steve,
> I'm not sure what you mean by entry point.
>
> 73, Steve N4IRS
>
> On 6/5/2017 7:55 AM, Steve Wright wrote:
>
> What is the proper entry point for asterisk app_rpt?
>
> If ohnosec is it, then quite frankly it is completely incoherent - even
> for seasoned linux folks.
>
> thanks
> s
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jerutley at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 21:05:10 2017
From: jerutley at gmail.com (Jeremy Utley)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 16:05:10 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
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Hello all!

Forgive me for thread necromancy on this one!  I just today had my hub
node compromised - luckily all they did was try to attack SSH on
another host (at least that's all I've been able to determine so far).
So, I'm going to be rebuilding that Hub node tonite.  The reason I
post is, I am actually a Linux sys-admin in my day job - would there
be any benefit in me doing a write-up on what all steps I take in
securing DIAL?  At least a high-level overview of what I end up doing
that others can build from?

Also, I just want to make sure - doing the standard apt-get update /
upgrade on DIAL will not break anything, right?

Jeremy, NQ0M

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com> wrote:
> Thor,
> I agree that things need to be tightened up. Now that the mandate has
> changed, those things are changing. I would welcome someone taking on the
> guidance in system administration piece of the puzzle.
>
> 73, Steve N4IRS
>
>
> On 5/11/2017 12:35 PM, Thor Wiegman wrote:
>>
>> You're not the first person I'm aware of to have this type of problem.
>> AllStarLink nodes are an easy target to become bitcoin miners and members of
>> botnets.  Most people installing these nodes don't know the basics of Linux
>> system administration and the defaults aren't even remotely secure.
>>
>> Not only should that "debian" user be deleted, the appropriate changes to
>> SSH need to be made to prevent the superuser "root" from logging in
>> remotely.  That is one of the first things that everyone needs to be change
>> after installation of a DIAL system, not sure why it's even allowed by
>> default.
>>
>> I've noticed that a lot of node ops tend to login as root and execute
>> commands as the root user.  Crazy!  It's an extremely dangerous and insecure
>> thing to do, but people new to Linux don't know any better.
>>
>> It would be nice if the default installation were setup in such a way that
>> prevented or discouraged login by the superuser.  It's odd that sudo doesn't
>> appear to be installed by default.  Would be very nice if the installation
>> script prompted for the creation of a user account with proper permissions
>> in much the same way as standard distros do.  Not perfect, but it's a start.
>>
>> Most of these systems are being run by people who are new to Linux.  They
>> don't know about Linux/Unix system administration and nobody is "elmering"
>> them in it.  The result is people taking dangerous shortcuts and developing
>> bad habits.  The community would benefit from some guidance in system
>> administration as well as from some improved defaults in the distro.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/10/2017 12:38 PM, app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
>>
>>
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From zl1bhd at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 21:15:24 2017
From: zl1bhd at gmail.com (Steve Wright)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:15:24 +1200
Subject: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 100, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.560.1496696419.5828.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
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On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Bob Pyke <k6ecm1 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/
>
>
Thanks Bob, others.

Don't quite know why I didn't find that..  Overall, the docs are pretty
frustrating and I don't have anywhere near the skills to rewrite them.


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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 21:54:51 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 16:54:51 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 100, Issue 6
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I actually didn't fully read everyone's comments I suppose some how you
guys wanna learn more about asterisk here is the online pdf files that i
have from about 2 years ago when i was trying to work on other solutions
and stuff in asterisk and never gotten around to fully research and develop
changes that i wanted to incorporate into allstarlink.. Of course I am not
 a pro programmer like everyone else but had the desire back then to really
want to make this program stand out to the ham community and the hobbiest..
I have lost this vision and personally just do enough to get by with my
systems.. Its amazing how a medical situation can change your mind on the
hobby oh well here it goes the list i have for asterisk education..

List of pdf file and links..
http://asterisk-service.com/en_US/page/asterisk-books  (Needs Translated to
English not all links work)

Here is the Links that work

http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/TrixboxMadeEasy.pdf
http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/Asterisk-%20The%20Definitive%20Guide,%204th%20Edition.pdf
http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/TrixboxCE-2.6.pdf
http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/elastix_without_tears.pdf
http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/FreePBX-2.5.pdf
http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/Asterisk-1.4.pdf
http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/trixbox_without_tears.pdf

Grab them now before they disapeer you never know when this stuff goes
away..






PS All I wanna do is help the allstarlink community and other hams that's
my goal...

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
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http://voipham.com

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Steve Wright <zl1bhd at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Bob Pyke <k6ecm1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/
>>
>>
> Thanks Bob, others.
>
> Don't quite know why I didn't find that..  Overall, the docs are pretty
> frustrating and I don't have anywhere near the skills to rewrite them.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 22:04:08 2017
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:04:08 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
In-Reply-To: <CAOMfyjZckZdVFwjS5HRLj7h=K72ua=VTTQyPxWrEga1bpYFiRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.460.1494445125.5828.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
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I would benefit from as much as you'd like to share. :-)

Thanks,
Bob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all!
> 
> Forgive me for thread necromancy on this one!  I just today had my hub
> node compromised - luckily all they did was try to attack SSH on
> another host (at least that's all I've been able to determine so far).
> So, I'm going to be rebuilding that Hub node tonite.  The reason I
> post is, I am actually a Linux sys-admin in my day job - would there
> be any benefit in me doing a write-up on what all steps I take in
> securing DIAL?  At least a high-level overview of what I end up doing
> that others can build from?
> 
> Also, I just want to make sure - doing the standard apt-get update /
> upgrade on DIAL will not break anything, right?
> 
> Jeremy, NQ0M
> 
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com> wrote:
>> Thor,
>> I agree that things need to be tightened up. Now that the mandate has
>> changed, those things are changing. I would welcome someone taking on the
>> guidance in system administration piece of the puzzle.
>> 
>> 73, Steve N4IRS
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/11/2017 12:35 PM, Thor Wiegman wrote:
>>> 
>>> You're not the first person I'm aware of to have this type of problem.
>>> AllStarLink nodes are an easy target to become bitcoin miners and members of
>>> botnets.  Most people installing these nodes don't know the basics of Linux
>>> system administration and the defaults aren't even remotely secure.
>>> 
>>> Not only should that "debian" user be deleted, the appropriate changes to
>>> SSH need to be made to prevent the superuser "root" from logging in
>>> remotely.  That is one of the first things that everyone needs to be change
>>> after installation of a DIAL system, not sure why it's even allowed by
>>> default.
>>> 
>>> I've noticed that a lot of node ops tend to login as root and execute
>>> commands as the root user.  Crazy!  It's an extremely dangerous and insecure
>>> thing to do, but people new to Linux don't know any better.
>>> 
>>> It would be nice if the default installation were setup in such a way that
>>> prevented or discouraged login by the superuser.  It's odd that sudo doesn't
>>> appear to be installed by default.  Would be very nice if the installation
>>> script prompted for the creation of a user account with proper permissions
>>> in much the same way as standard distros do.  Not perfect, but it's a start.
>>> 
>>> Most of these systems are being run by people who are new to Linux.  They
>>> don't know about Linux/Unix system administration and nobody is "elmering"
>>> them in it.  The result is people taking dangerous shortcuts and developing
>>> bad habits.  The community would benefit from some guidance in system
>>> administration as well as from some improved defaults in the distro.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 05/10/2017 12:38 PM, app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 22:07:59 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 17:07:59 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
In-Reply-To: <FBD83BF8-4BE1-4C9E-92C5-9D9CF99F2C6D@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.460.1494445125.5828.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
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Bob the biggest problem is I can't remember where i left off and put most
of my documentation in two forums.. forum.kc9zhv.com and forum.voipham.com you
will just have to dig around and ask me if you come onto some thing whether
i remember anything about it.. Their was so much stuff..



Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
http://www.lorentedford.com
http://www.kc9zhv.com
http://forum.kc9zhv.com
http://hub.kc9zhv.com
http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Bob Pyke <k6ecm1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would benefit from as much as you'd like to share. :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > Forgive me for thread necromancy on this one!  I just today had my hub
> > node compromised - luckily all they did was try to attack SSH on
> > another host (at least that's all I've been able to determine so far).
> > So, I'm going to be rebuilding that Hub node tonite.  The reason I
> > post is, I am actually a Linux sys-admin in my day job - would there
> > be any benefit in me doing a write-up on what all steps I take in
> > securing DIAL?  At least a high-level overview of what I end up doing
> > that others can build from?
> >
> > Also, I just want to make sure - doing the standard apt-get update /
> > upgrade on DIAL will not break anything, right?
> >
> > Jeremy, NQ0M
> >
> >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
> wrote:
> >> Thor,
> >> I agree that things need to be tightened up. Now that the mandate has
> >> changed, those things are changing. I would welcome someone taking on
> the
> >> guidance in system administration piece of the puzzle.
> >>
> >> 73, Steve N4IRS
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 5/11/2017 12:35 PM, Thor Wiegman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You're not the first person I'm aware of to have this type of problem.
> >>> AllStarLink nodes are an easy target to become bitcoin miners and
> members of
> >>> botnets.  Most people installing these nodes don't know the basics of
> Linux
> >>> system administration and the defaults aren't even remotely secure.
> >>>
> >>> Not only should that "debian" user be deleted, the appropriate changes
> to
> >>> SSH need to be made to prevent the superuser "root" from logging in
> >>> remotely.  That is one of the first things that everyone needs to be
> change
> >>> after installation of a DIAL system, not sure why it's even allowed by
> >>> default.
> >>>
> >>> I've noticed that a lot of node ops tend to login as root and execute
> >>> commands as the root user.  Crazy!  It's an extremely dangerous and
> insecure
> >>> thing to do, but people new to Linux don't know any better.
> >>>
> >>> It would be nice if the default installation were setup in such a way
> that
> >>> prevented or discouraged login by the superuser.  It's odd that sudo
> doesn't
> >>> appear to be installed by default.  Would be very nice if the
> installation
> >>> script prompted for the creation of a user account with proper
> permissions
> >>> in much the same way as standard distros do.  Not perfect, but it's a
> start.
> >>>
> >>> Most of these systems are being run by people who are new to Linux.
> They
> >>> don't know about Linux/Unix system administration and nobody is
> "elmering"
> >>> them in it.  The result is people taking dangerous shortcuts and
> developing
> >>> bad habits.  The community would benefit from some guidance in system
> >>> administration as well as from some improved defaults in the distro.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 05/10/2017 12:38 PM, app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> App_rpt-users mailing list
> >>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> >>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 22:15:51 2017
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:15:51 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 100, Issue 6
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Cool!
Thanks,
Bob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I actually didn't fully read everyone's comments I suppose some how you guys wanna learn more about asterisk here is the online pdf files that i have from about 2 years ago when i was trying to work on other solutions and stuff in asterisk and never gotten around to fully research and develop changes that i wanted to incorporate into allstarlink.. Of course I am not  a pro programmer like everyone else but had the desire back then to really want to make this program stand out to the ham community and the hobbiest.. I have lost this vision and personally just do enough to get by with my systems.. Its amazing how a medical situation can change your mind on the hobby oh well here it goes the list i have for asterisk education.. 
> 
> List of pdf file and links..
> http://asterisk-service.com/en_US/page/asterisk-books  (Needs Translated to English not all links work)
> 
> Here is the Links that work
> 
> http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/TrixboxMadeEasy.pdf
> http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/Asterisk-%20The%20Definitive%20Guide,%204th%20Edition.pdf
> http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/TrixboxCE-2.6.pdf
> http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/elastix_without_tears.pdf
> http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/FreePBX-2.5.pdf
> http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/Asterisk-1.4.pdf
> http://asterisk-service.com/downloads/trixbox_without_tears.pdf
> 
> Grab them now before they disapeer you never know when this stuff goes away.. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> PS All I wanna do is help the allstarlink community and other hams that's my goal... 
> 
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) 
> Phone:
> Fax: 
> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
> http://www.lorentedford.com
> http://www.kc9zhv.com
> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
> http://Ltcraft.net
> http://voipham.com
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Steve Wright <zl1bhd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Bob Pyke <k6ecm1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>     
>>> http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Bob, others.
>> 
>> Don't quite know why I didn't find that..  Overall, the docs are pretty frustrating and I don't have anywhere near the skills to rewrite them.
>> 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jerutley at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 02:13:50 2017
From: jerutley at gmail.com (Jeremy Utley)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 21:13:50 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] A little confusion regarding the X86 Downloads
Message-ID: <01b101d2de6a$8a066420$9e132c60$@gmail.com>

Hey all!

 

As I reinstall my hub node after it got compromised this morning, I find
myself a little confused at just which download option I should use for an
amd64 architecture machine.

 

The site seems to recommend DIAL RC1, but RC *usually* means Release
Candidate - meaning it's not quite ready for prime time, but getting close
to release.  I would not usually consider a "RC" release to be the
recommended release under any circumstances.  The other problem comes from
looking at the file modification dates on the dvswitch.org server:

 

The RC1 file - amd64-i386-DIAL-RC1.tar.gz - is dated Nov 15, 2016

The other file - dial-allstar-netinstall.iso - is dated Jan 22, 2017

 

So it *seems* that the RC1 is older than the other one, while still being
the recommended install - but the name would not tend to agree, as the RC
should be a candidate for release as a newer version, so should be newer
than the existing "stable" version - and the stable version should be the
recommended download - or at least this is how it would work in most open
source projects.

 

What am I missing?  And once installed, is there any danger in using the
Debian "apt-get update" command to update the packages for the underlying
Linux OS to their newest versions?

 

Thanks,

 

Jeremy, NQ0M

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From petem001 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 02:28:34 2017
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 02:28:34 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
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Hi Jeremy,

Can you tell us what they did to enter in the system? this would be the
first thing to change on any dial system.

Thanks for letting us know that there is a way to compomise a node, that
way we can prepare our nodes for a futur attack

Pierre
VE2PF


Le lun. 5 juin 2017 ? 17:05, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hello all!
>
> Forgive me for thread necromancy on this one!  I just today had my hub
> node compromised - luckily all they did was try to attack SSH on
> another host (at least that's all I've been able to determine so far).
> So, I'm going to be rebuilding that Hub node tonite.  The reason I
> post is, I am actually a Linux sys-admin in my day job - would there
> be any benefit in me doing a write-up on what all steps I take in
> securing DIAL?  At least a high-level overview of what I end up doing
> that others can build from?
>
> Also, I just want to make sure - doing the standard apt-get update /
> upgrade on DIAL will not break anything, right?
>
> Jeremy, NQ0M
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
> wrote:
> > Thor,
> > I agree that things need to be tightened up. Now that the mandate has
> > changed, those things are changing. I would welcome someone taking on the
> > guidance in system administration piece of the puzzle.
> >
> > 73, Steve N4IRS
> >
> >
> > On 5/11/2017 12:35 PM, Thor Wiegman wrote:
> >>
> >> You're not the first person I'm aware of to have this type of problem.
> >> AllStarLink nodes are an easy target to become bitcoin miners and
> members of
> >> botnets.  Most people installing these nodes don't know the basics of
> Linux
> >> system administration and the defaults aren't even remotely secure.
> >>
> >> Not only should that "debian" user be deleted, the appropriate changes
> to
> >> SSH need to be made to prevent the superuser "root" from logging in
> >> remotely.  That is one of the first things that everyone needs to be
> change
> >> after installation of a DIAL system, not sure why it's even allowed by
> >> default.
> >>
> >> I've noticed that a lot of node ops tend to login as root and execute
> >> commands as the root user.  Crazy!  It's an extremely dangerous and
> insecure
> >> thing to do, but people new to Linux don't know any better.
> >>
> >> It would be nice if the default installation were setup in such a way
> that
> >> prevented or discouraged login by the superuser.  It's odd that sudo
> doesn't
> >> appear to be installed by default.  Would be very nice if the
> installation
> >> script prompted for the creation of a user account with proper
> permissions
> >> in much the same way as standard distros do.  Not perfect, but it's a
> start.
> >>
> >> Most of these systems are being run by people who are new to Linux.
> They
> >> don't know about Linux/Unix system administration and nobody is
> "elmering"
> >> them in it.  The result is people taking dangerous shortcuts and
> developing
> >> bad habits.  The community would benefit from some guidance in system
> >> administration as well as from some improved defaults in the distro.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 05/10/2017 12:38 PM, app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> App_rpt-users mailing list
> >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >>
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> >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and
> >> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and
> press
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> >
> >
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From jerutley at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 02:50:25 2017
From: jerutley at gmail.com (Jeremy Utley)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 21:50:25 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
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To be honest, I scoured the system and couldn?t find any indication of how they got into it.  However, my logs stopped somewhere around June 2 due to the log2ram partition filling up, so I didn?t have a LOT to go on.  The only way I even found out was the machine was probing SSH ports on hosts out on the internet, and got caught by a fail2ban script and reported to my employer (who just happens to host the server the VM was running on).  That ?Debian? user is a prime candidate ? but I couldn?t see any evidence that was where it came from.  At any rate, I have wiped the VM and am in the process of reinstalling now.  I?m going to be doing some serious hardening of the system (to rival what we do at work in our PCI-compliant cluster), and will document what steps I take onto my Wordpress blog ? including firewalling the box, limiting SSH connections, and a whole host of other stuff.

 

Jeremy

 

From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Pierre Martel
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 9:29 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?

 

Hi Jeremy,

 

Can you tell us what they did to enter in the system? this would be the first thing to change on any dial system.

 

Thanks for letting us know that there is a way to compomise a node, that way we can prepare our nodes for a futur attack

 

Pierre

VE2PF

 

 

Le lun. 5 juin 2017 ? 17:05, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com <mailto:jerutley at gmail.com> > a ?crit :

Hello all!

Forgive me for thread necromancy on this one!  I just today had my hub
node compromised - luckily all they did was try to attack SSH on
another host (at least that's all I've been able to determine so far).
So, I'm going to be rebuilding that Hub node tonite.  The reason I
post is, I am actually a Linux sys-admin in my day job - would there
be any benefit in me doing a write-up on what all steps I take in
securing DIAL?  At least a high-level overview of what I end up doing
that others can build from?

Also, I just want to make sure - doing the standard apt-get update /
upgrade on DIAL will not break anything, right?

Jeremy, NQ0M

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com <mailto:szingman at msgstor.com> > wrote:
> Thor,
> I agree that things need to be tightened up. Now that the mandate has
> changed, those things are changing. I would welcome someone taking on the
> guidance in system administration piece of the puzzle.
>
> 73, Steve N4IRS
>
>
> On 5/11/2017 12:35 PM, Thor Wiegman wrote:
>>
>> You're not the first person I'm aware of to have this type of problem.
>> AllStarLink nodes are an easy target to become bitcoin miners and members of
>> botnets.  Most people installing these nodes don't know the basics of Linux
>> system administration and the defaults aren't even remotely secure.
>>
>> Not only should that "debian" user be deleted, the appropriate changes to
>> SSH need to be made to prevent the superuser "root" from logging in
>> remotely.  That is one of the first things that everyone needs to be change
>> after installation of a DIAL system, not sure why it's even allowed by
>> default.
>>
>> I've noticed that a lot of node ops tend to login as root and execute
>> commands as the root user.  Crazy!  It's an extremely dangerous and insecure
>> thing to do, but people new to Linux don't know any better.
>>
>> It would be nice if the default installation were setup in such a way that
>> prevented or discouraged login by the superuser.  It's odd that sudo doesn't
>> appear to be installed by default.  Would be very nice if the installation
>> script prompted for the creation of a user account with proper permissions
>> in much the same way as standard distros do.  Not perfect, but it's a start.
>>
>> Most of these systems are being run by people who are new to Linux.  They
>> don't know about Linux/Unix system administration and nobody is "elmering"
>> them in it.  The result is people taking dangerous shortcuts and developing
>> bad habits.  The community would benefit from some guidance in system
>> administration as well as from some improved defaults in the distro.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/10/2017 12:38 PM, app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org <mailto:app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
>>
>>
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 03:14:17 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 22:14:17 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
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References: <mailman.460.1494445125.5828.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
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This is the wiki i use to use when i was hosting my dial on linode..
https://www.linode.com/docs/security/securing-your-server

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
http://www.lorentedford.com
http://www.kc9zhv.com
http://forum.kc9zhv.com
http://hub.kc9zhv.com
http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> wrote:

> To be honest, I scoured the system and couldn?t find any indication of how
> they got into it.  However, my logs stopped somewhere around June 2 due to
> the log2ram partition filling up, so I didn?t have a LOT to go on.  The
> only way I even found out was the machine was probing SSH ports on hosts
> out on the internet, and got caught by a fail2ban script and reported to my
> employer (who just happens to host the server the VM was running on).  That
> ?Debian? user is a prime candidate ? but I couldn?t see any evidence that
> was where it came from.  At any rate, I have wiped the VM and am in the
> process of reinstalling now.  I?m going to be doing some serious hardening
> of the system (to rival what we do at work in our PCI-compliant cluster),
> and will document what steps I take onto my Wordpress blog ? including
> firewalling the box, limiting SSH connections, and a whole host of other
> stuff.
>
>
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> *From:* App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Pierre Martel
> *Sent:* Monday, June 5, 2017 9:29 PM
> *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL
> distro?
>
>
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
>
>
> Can you tell us what they did to enter in the system? this would be the
> first thing to change on any dial system.
>
>
>
> Thanks for letting us know that there is a way to compomise a node, that
> way we can prepare our nodes for a futur attack
>
>
>
> Pierre
>
> VE2PF
>
>
>
>
>
> Le lun. 5 juin 2017 ? 17:05, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
> Hello all!
>
> Forgive me for thread necromancy on this one!  I just today had my hub
> node compromised - luckily all they did was try to attack SSH on
> another host (at least that's all I've been able to determine so far).
> So, I'm going to be rebuilding that Hub node tonite.  The reason I
> post is, I am actually a Linux sys-admin in my day job - would there
> be any benefit in me doing a write-up on what all steps I take in
> securing DIAL?  At least a high-level overview of what I end up doing
> that others can build from?
>
> Also, I just want to make sure - doing the standard apt-get update /
> upgrade on DIAL will not break anything, right?
>
> Jeremy, NQ0M
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
> wrote:
> > Thor,
> > I agree that things need to be tightened up. Now that the mandate has
> > changed, those things are changing. I would welcome someone taking on the
> > guidance in system administration piece of the puzzle.
> >
> > 73, Steve N4IRS
> >
> >
> > On 5/11/2017 12:35 PM, Thor Wiegman wrote:
> >>
> >> You're not the first person I'm aware of to have this type of problem.
> >> AllStarLink nodes are an easy target to become bitcoin miners and
> members of
> >> botnets.  Most people installing these nodes don't know the basics of
> Linux
> >> system administration and the defaults aren't even remotely secure.
> >>
> >> Not only should that "debian" user be deleted, the appropriate changes
> to
> >> SSH need to be made to prevent the superuser "root" from logging in
> >> remotely.  That is one of the first things that everyone needs to be
> change
> >> after installation of a DIAL system, not sure why it's even allowed by
> >> default.
> >>
> >> I've noticed that a lot of node ops tend to login as root and execute
> >> commands as the root user.  Crazy!  It's an extremely dangerous and
> insecure
> >> thing to do, but people new to Linux don't know any better.
> >>
> >> It would be nice if the default installation were setup in such a way
> that
> >> prevented or discouraged login by the superuser.  It's odd that sudo
> doesn't
> >> appear to be installed by default.  Would be very nice if the
> installation
> >> script prompted for the creation of a user account with proper
> permissions
> >> in much the same way as standard distros do.  Not perfect, but it's a
> start.
> >>
> >> Most of these systems are being run by people who are new to Linux.
> They
> >> don't know about Linux/Unix system administration and nobody is
> "elmering"
> >> them in it.  The result is people taking dangerous shortcuts and
> developing
> >> bad habits.  The community would benefit from some guidance in system
> >> administration as well as from some improved defaults in the distro.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 05/10/2017 12:38 PM, app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> App_rpt-users mailing list
> >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >>
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 03:17:22 2017
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 03:17:22 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
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References: <mailman.460.1494445125.5828.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
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 <CAL8dJwqHJeJkhEBRoTwHnSdqUmCrby4Va6yrugNo7n-PfMuqng@mail.gmail.com>
 <01c501d2de6f$a6a764d0$f3f62e70$@gmail.com>
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Thanks, Keep us posted on when you will post on your blog, it will help the
ham community a lot, we are not all security computer specialist. In fact,
most of us are more unsecure computer jack of all trade ;-)


Le lun. 5 juin 2017 ? 22:50, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> To be honest, I scoured the system and couldn?t find any indication of how
> they got into it.  However, my logs stopped somewhere around June 2 due to
> the log2ram partition filling up, so I didn?t have a LOT to go on.  The
> only way I even found out was the machine was probing SSH ports on hosts
> out on the internet, and got caught by a fail2ban script and reported to my
> employer (who just happens to host the server the VM was running on).  That
> ?Debian? user is a prime candidate ? but I couldn?t see any evidence that
> was where it came from.  At any rate, I have wiped the VM and am in the
> process of reinstalling now.  I?m going to be doing some serious hardening
> of the system (to rival what we do at work in our PCI-compliant cluster),
> and will document what steps I take onto my Wordpress blog ? including
> firewalling the box, limiting SSH connections, and a whole host of other
> stuff.
>
>
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> *From:* App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Pierre Martel
> *Sent:* Monday, June 5, 2017 9:29 PM
> *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL
> distro?
>
>
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
>
>
> Can you tell us what they did to enter in the system? this would be the
> first thing to change on any dial system.
>
>
>
> Thanks for letting us know that there is a way to compomise a node, that
> way we can prepare our nodes for a futur attack
>
>
>
> Pierre
>
> VE2PF
>
>
>
>
>
> Le lun. 5 juin 2017 ? 17:05, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
> Hello all!
>
> Forgive me for thread necromancy on this one!  I just today had my hub
> node compromised - luckily all they did was try to attack SSH on
> another host (at least that's all I've been able to determine so far).
> So, I'm going to be rebuilding that Hub node tonite.  The reason I
> post is, I am actually a Linux sys-admin in my day job - would there
> be any benefit in me doing a write-up on what all steps I take in
> securing DIAL?  At least a high-level overview of what I end up doing
> that others can build from?
>
> Also, I just want to make sure - doing the standard apt-get update /
> upgrade on DIAL will not break anything, right?
>
> Jeremy, NQ0M
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
> wrote:
> > Thor,
> > I agree that things need to be tightened up. Now that the mandate has
> > changed, those things are changing. I would welcome someone taking on the
> > guidance in system administration piece of the puzzle.
> >
> > 73, Steve N4IRS
> >
> >
> > On 5/11/2017 12:35 PM, Thor Wiegman wrote:
> >>
> >> You're not the first person I'm aware of to have this type of problem.
> >> AllStarLink nodes are an easy target to become bitcoin miners and
> members of
> >> botnets.  Most people installing these nodes don't know the basics of
> Linux
> >> system administration and the defaults aren't even remotely secure.
> >>
> >> Not only should that "debian" user be deleted, the appropriate changes
> to
> >> SSH need to be made to prevent the superuser "root" from logging in
> >> remotely.  That is one of the first things that everyone needs to be
> change
> >> after installation of a DIAL system, not sure why it's even allowed by
> >> default.
> >>
> >> I've noticed that a lot of node ops tend to login as root and execute
> >> commands as the root user.  Crazy!  It's an extremely dangerous and
> insecure
> >> thing to do, but people new to Linux don't know any better.
> >>
> >> It would be nice if the default installation were setup in such a way
> that
> >> prevented or discouraged login by the superuser.  It's odd that sudo
> doesn't
> >> appear to be installed by default.  Would be very nice if the
> installation
> >> script prompted for the creation of a user account with proper
> permissions
> >> in much the same way as standard distros do.  Not perfect, but it's a
> start.
> >>
> >> Most of these systems are being run by people who are new to Linux.
> They
> >> don't know about Linux/Unix system administration and nobody is
> "elmering"
> >> them in it.  The result is people taking dangerous shortcuts and
> developing
> >> bad habits.  The community would benefit from some guidance in system
> >> administration as well as from some improved defaults in the distro.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 05/10/2017 12:38 PM, app_rpt-users-request at lists.allstarlink.org
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> App_rpt-users mailing list
> >> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> >> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >>
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From izzy_y2k at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  6 09:50:19 2017
From: izzy_y2k at yahoo.com (izzy_y2k at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 04:50:19 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] /bin/cp: /tmp/rpt_extnodes-temp and
	/tmp/rpt_extnodes-temp are the same file
Message-ID: <003301d2deaa$50479200$f0d6b600$@com>

Keep seeing this error pop up. I assume it is from an update node list
generated by allstar but not sure how or where to fix? 

 

 

Thank you

John K1if



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From szingman at msgstor.com  Tue Jun  6 17:07:06 2017
From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:07:06 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] /bin/cp: /tmp/rpt_extnodes-temp and
 /tmp/rpt_extnodes-temp are the same file
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References: <003301d2deaa$50479200$f0d6b600$@com>
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Jon,
You are correct, that is being generated by the node list updater. What 
version of AllStarLink are you running?

On 6/6/2017 5:50 AM, izzy_y2k at yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Keep seeing this error pop up. I assume it is from an update node list 
> generated by allstar but not sure how or where to fix?
>
> Thank you
>
> John K1if
>
>
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 21:00:37 2017
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 21:00:37 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] RTCM Simulcast and 9.6 MHz Phase locking
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after reading on gps locked clock and  pll found this.
http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=107&products_id=234

Low-jitter GPS-locked precision frequency reference
450 Hz to 800 MHz output

this could be usefull to steer about any radio model no?

Is it worth the time and money to try with this device?

Le ven. 12 mai 2017 ? 17:39, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> A big thanks Tim. I feel less uneducated ;-) Will have to get a look at
> this..
>
> 2017-05-12 12:03 GMT-04:00 Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com>:
>
>> Political Correctness Gone Mad. ?
>>
>> Actually it's Programmable Clock Generator Module.
>>
>> K
>>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:38 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I know there is always the one that ask the obvious question but, what
>>> is a pcgm?
>>>
>>>
>>> Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 23:10, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> The PCGM were noisy. I know of a case where a ham using one was shut
>>>> down by the site owner. Seems the PCGM was emitting a interfering signal on
>>>> high band, around 158 Mhz.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bryan Fields <bryan at bryanfields.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been following this with some interest.  One of the fundamental
>>>>> issues with the PCGM was the master clock going to the radio was unable to
>>>>> be modulated.  This made low frequency signals (PL) distort, and digital PL
>>>>> was even worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Typically most radios use two point modulation, with modulation on the
>>>>> reference oscillator.  When you add an external reference you loose this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some base stations are designed to do two point modulation even on an
>>>>> external clock, the Quantar for example.  This station will even phase lock
>>>>> it's PL and DPL generation if provided a 1 PPS in addition to a clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we could inject modulation into the clock generator simulcast
>>>>> performance would vastly improve.  I'd be interested to see your design to
>>>>> see if this would be a possibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bryan Fields
>>>>> M: +1-727-409-1194 <(727)%20409-1194>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 14:15, Reid Brandon <rfpowerguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>> I got a page with a pic of a man that rotated  around saying DOWNLOAD
>>>>> NOT FOUND.
>>>>> Try again!?
>>>>> Tks  Reid
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:25 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very interrested in all this project. My email is VE2PF @ VE2MRC
>>>>> dot com!
>>>>>
>>>>> what radio did you used for the project?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre
>>>>> VE2PF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-05-07 12:32 GMT-04:00 Kevin Custer <kuggie at kuggie.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not consider do it as an article for Repeater Builder?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/7/2017 3:13 AM, Joe Moskalski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to throw this email out to the group for all those who want
>>>>> to simulcast with the RTCM. For those who don't know, in order to make the
>>>>> RTCM suitable for simulcast you must have a more accurate 9.6 MHz clock for
>>>>> the RTCM in order to ensure the audio sounds acceptable in the overlap
>>>>> areas. I did this a few months ago using 9.6 MHz OCXO's. This worked
>>>>> reasonably well. Not as well as I would have liked but the system was very
>>>>> usable, but of course I wanted it to be better. Since the PCGM
>>>>> (Programmable Clock Generation Module) is no longer available, I decided to
>>>>> roll my own as some say.
>>>>> I created a PLL circuit that can accept a 10 MHz, 1 MHz or 100 KHz
>>>>> reference input and produce a phase locked 9.6 MHz out for the RTCM. I have
>>>>> been testing this over the past few days and it has made an great
>>>>> improvement in the audio quality in the overlap. The quality of the audio
>>>>> in the overlap areas sounds very, very good, it's very similar to what I
>>>>> expect to hear in commercial simulcast systems. My circuit is heavily based
>>>>> off of an old Motorola MSF5000 HSO PLL circuit that I was able to adapt and
>>>>> modify to my needs.  There are other uses for this circuit that make it
>>>>> attractive for simulcasting but I wont get into them here. I am will to
>>>>> share my schematic and bill of materials (digikey) with anyone. Please send
>>>>> me an email and I will be willing to share all of my information on the
>>>>> project.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________ _________________
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>>
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From tisawyer at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 22:32:03 2017
From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 15:32:03 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] A little confusion regarding the X86 Downloads
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RC1 is the latest release per N4IRS.

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all!
>
>
>
> As I reinstall my hub node after it got compromised this morning, I find
> myself a little confused at just which download option I should use for an
> amd64 architecture machine.
>
>
>
> The site seems to recommend DIAL RC1, but RC **usually** means Release
> Candidate ? meaning it?s not quite ready for prime time, but getting close
> to release.  I would not usually consider a ?RC? release to be the
> recommended release under any circumstances.  The other problem comes from
> looking at the file modification dates on the dvswitch.org server:
>
>
>
> The RC1 file ? amd64-i386-DIAL-RC1.tar.gz ? is dated Nov 15, 2016
>
> The other file ? dial-allstar-netinstall.iso ? is dated Jan 22, 2017
>
>
>
> So it **seems** that the RC1 is older than the other one, while still
> being the recommended install ? but the name would not tend to agree, as
> the RC should be a candidate for release as a newer version, so should be
> newer than the existing ?stable? version ? and the stable version should be
> the recommended download ? or at least this is how it would work in most
> open source projects.
>
>
>
> What am I missing?  And once installed, is there any danger in using the
> Debian ?apt-get update? command to update the packages for the underlying
> Linux OS to their newest versions?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jeremy, NQ0M
>
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From izzy_y2k at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  6 23:51:32 2017
From: izzy_y2k at yahoo.com (izzy_y2k at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 18:51:32 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] /bin/cp: /tmp/rpt_extnodes-temp and
 /tmp/rpt_extnodes-temp are the same file
Message-ID: <000001d2df1f$d4ec6c90$7ec545b0$@com>

Hello Steve

 

Thanks for the quick reply

 

I am using Dial version 325

 

Thanks 
John K1IF



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From kc2irv at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 07:46:00 2017
From: kc2irv at gmail.com (Joe Moskalski)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 03:46:00 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] RTCM Simulcast and 9.6 MHz Phase locking
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References: <CAES28qyXLtJMUoGqAYk5bKU_eE2Nciq_9QQC48rBDSeZigtgHA@mail.gmail.com>
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I purchased one of those units about 2 months ago and they work extremely
well. I have used it to allow the use of Motorola Maxtrac's and GM300's for
simulcast operation by externally injecting a 14.4 MHz reference into the
radio from this unit.
if you want a ready-made solution that will give you GPS locked accuracy
and is programmable to just about any frequency you would need than this is
it.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> after reading on gps locked clock and  pll found this.
> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_
> info&cPath=107&products_id=234
>
> Low-jitter GPS-locked precision frequency reference
> 450 Hz to 800 MHz output
>
> this could be usefull to steer about any radio model no?
>
> Is it worth the time and money to try with this device?
>
> Le ven. 12 mai 2017 ? 17:39, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> A big thanks Tim. I feel less uneducated ;-) Will have to get a look at
>> this..
>>
>> 2017-05-12 12:03 GMT-04:00 Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Political Correctness Gone Mad. ?
>>>
>>> Actually it's Programmable Clock Generator Module.
>>>
>>> K
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:38 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know there is always the one that ask the obvious question but, what
>>>> is a pcgm?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 23:10, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>>> The PCGM were noisy. I know of a case where a ham using one was shut
>>>>> down by the site owner. Seems the PCGM was emitting a interfering signal on
>>>>> high band, around 158 Mhz.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bryan Fields <bryan at bryanfields.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been following this with some interest.  One of the fundamental
>>>>>> issues with the PCGM was the master clock going to the radio was unable to
>>>>>> be modulated.  This made low frequency signals (PL) distort, and digital PL
>>>>>> was even worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Typically most radios use two point modulation, with modulation on
>>>>>> the reference oscillator.  When you add an external reference you loose
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some base stations are designed to do two point modulation even on an
>>>>>> external clock, the Quantar for example.  This station will even phase lock
>>>>>> it's PL and DPL generation if provided a 1 PPS in addition to a clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we could inject modulation into the clock generator simulcast
>>>>>> performance would vastly improve.  I'd be interested to see your design to
>>>>>> see if this would be a possibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bryan Fields
>>>>>> M: +1-727-409-1194 <(727)%20409-1194>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 14:15, Reid Brandon <rfpowerguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>>> I got a page with a pic of a man that rotated  around saying DOWNLOAD
>>>>>> NOT FOUND.
>>>>>> Try again!?
>>>>>> Tks  Reid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:25 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am very interrested in all this project. My email is VE2PF @ VE2MRC
>>>>>> dot com!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what radio did you used for the project?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>> VE2PF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-05-07 12:32 GMT-04:00 Kevin Custer <kuggie at kuggie.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not consider do it as an article for Repeater Builder?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/7/2017 3:13 AM, Joe Moskalski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to throw this email out to the group for all those who want
>>>>>> to simulcast with the RTCM. For those who don't know, in order to make the
>>>>>> RTCM suitable for simulcast you must have a more accurate 9.6 MHz clock for
>>>>>> the RTCM in order to ensure the audio sounds acceptable in the overlap
>>>>>> areas. I did this a few months ago using 9.6 MHz OCXO's. This worked
>>>>>> reasonably well. Not as well as I would have liked but the system was very
>>>>>> usable, but of course I wanted it to be better. Since the PCGM
>>>>>> (Programmable Clock Generation Module) is no longer available, I decided to
>>>>>> roll my own as some say.
>>>>>> I created a PLL circuit that can accept a 10 MHz, 1 MHz or 100 KHz
>>>>>> reference input and produce a phase locked 9.6 MHz out for the RTCM. I have
>>>>>> been testing this over the past few days and it has made an great
>>>>>> improvement in the audio quality in the overlap. The quality of the audio
>>>>>> in the overlap areas sounds very, very good, it's very similar to what I
>>>>>> expect to hear in commercial simulcast systems. My circuit is heavily based
>>>>>> off of an old Motorola MSF5000 HSO PLL circuit that I was able to adapt and
>>>>>> modify to my needs.  There are other uses for this circuit that make it
>>>>>> attractive for simulcasting but I wont get into them here. I am will to
>>>>>> share my schematic and bill of materials (digikey) with anyone. Please send
>>>>>> me an email and I will be willing to share all of my information on the
>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________ _________________
>>>>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>>>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlin k.org
>>>>>> <App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/c gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rp t-users
>>>>>> <http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rp t-users
>>>>>> <http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users>
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From bmcintosh at paceprofessional.co.uk  Wed Jun  7 14:27:51 2017
From: bmcintosh at paceprofessional.co.uk (Bernie McIntosh)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 14:27:51 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] TX Timeout
Message-ID: <0102015c82f45af6-344f6793-02ef-4553-ac3f-1026757c7adb-000000@eu-west-1.amazonses.com>

I am using a smartphone to access my node so that I can listen to  the radio
channel, and when required,  transmit on the channel. 

 All is well, but I want to implement a timeout so that if I put the node
into transmit mode from my smartphone  and do not return it to receive, the
transmitter will turn off, after say, 30 seconds. I am using the default IAX
configuration for the smartphone.

The tx_timeout parameter makes the transmitter turn off at the required time
as expected.  But when a radio user subsequently transmits on the channel
and then goes back to receive, the node keys the transmitter again and
continues to send audio from the smartphone on the channel. It is as if the
smartphone PTT is still "closed" and so the timeout timer resets itself and
waits another 30 seconds before switching off again.  

So I guess I need a way to disconnect the smartphone after x seconds of PTT
from it ? 

Google is failing me on this one and I'd be grateful for any help.

Thanks

Bernie
GM4WZG





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> >On Dec 02 16, Eric Guth :
> >
> > Dear Danny,
> >
> > This is very clever.  Thanks for including my podcast, QSO Today, in
your
> Allstar jukebox of podcasts.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Eric Guth
> > 4Z1UG
> > Allstar: 28422
> > QSO Today
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> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> It is only a pleasure. I have been listening to your podcast for so long
and I
> thought it would be befitting to repay you and all the others that have
> podcasts in such a manner.
> 
> Would you believe me if I told you the same evening I advertised "Play
> Something" on this list we experienced heavy thunderstorms which forced
> me to shut down the whole system ... lol ...
> 
> But at least I got to test my skills at unplugging everything within a
flash. I
> think I broke my own record ... less than 4 minutes to pull the plug and
> disconnect all feedlines ...
> 
> However, on a slightly different note ... please guys, if you register
with a
> mistyped callsign contact me immediately in order for me to rectify it.
Too
> many hams blamed the system, but when I checked the database and their
> original registration e-mail, they mistyped/misspelled their own callsigns
> and/or e-mail address.
> 
> Some of you asked me to give a little more detail, so here goes.
> 
> "Play Something" does exactly what it's name says, it "Plays Something".
You
> don't know what you are going to get. But I guarantee you will not hear
the
> same podcast played more than once in 3 months or more (except for ARRL
> news). The algorithm I have developed will prevent this from happening.
> Podcasts are not randomly selected, but rather in a fashion where you will
be
> able to follow a certain podcast provider from his first podcast to his
last
> podcast in a sequential order. Also, you will not hear the same podcaster
> twice in a row.
> 
> "Play Something" observes time-outs. It transmits for 150 seconds, then
> unkeys for 10 seconds. I think 10 seconds should be enough for anyone to
> squeeze through a DTMF code ... ;) ...
> 
> Oh yes ... one important thing ... YOU NEED TO CONNECT TO MY NODE to
> listen ...
> people send me mails telling me "Play Something" is not working but they
> never even connected ... ;) ...
> 
> "Play Something" is for EVERYONE and ANYONE for FREE (for as long as
> possible).
> I have no problem if you park your node permanently at my node whilst you
> are just listening ... that's just fine by me ...
> 
> I am open to suggestions ... and if you have a podcaster you would like to
add
> you are more than welcome to make a suggestion
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Danny
> ZS6XOX
> 73's
> 
> AllStar node 44081
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 18:44:52 2017
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 18:44:52 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] RTCM Simulcast and 9.6 MHz Phase locking
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So It would be good, now from what Info I have, I will still need another
gps for the nmea and 1 pps to feed the rtcm?


Le mer. 7 juin 2017 ? 03:46, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> I purchased one of those units about 2 months ago and they work extremely
> well. I have used it to allow the use of Motorola Maxtrac's and GM300's for
> simulcast operation by externally injecting a 14.4 MHz reference into the
> radio from this unit.
> if you want a ready-made solution that will give you GPS locked accuracy
> and is programmable to just about any frequency you would need than this is
> it.
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> after reading on gps locked clock and  pll found this.
>>
>> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=107&products_id=234
>>
>> Low-jitter GPS-locked precision frequency reference
>> 450 Hz to 800 MHz output
>>
>> this could be usefull to steer about any radio model no?
>>
>> Is it worth the time and money to try with this device?
>>
>> Le ven. 12 mai 2017 ? 17:39, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>
>>> A big thanks Tim. I feel less uneducated ;-) Will have to get a look at
>>> this..
>>>
>>> 2017-05-12 12:03 GMT-04:00 Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Political Correctness Gone Mad. ?
>>>>
>>>> Actually it's Programmable Clock Generator Module.
>>>>
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:38 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know there is always the one that ask the obvious question but, what
>>>>> is a pcgm?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 23:10, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> The PCGM were noisy. I know of a case where a ham using one was shut
>>>>>> down by the site owner. Seems the PCGM was emitting a interfering signal on
>>>>>> high band, around 158 Mhz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bryan Fields <bryan at bryanfields.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been following this with some interest.  One of the fundamental
>>>>>>> issues with the PCGM was the master clock going to the radio was unable to
>>>>>>> be modulated.  This made low frequency signals (PL) distort, and digital PL
>>>>>>> was even worse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Typically most radios use two point modulation, with modulation on
>>>>>>> the reference oscillator.  When you add an external reference you loose
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some base stations are designed to do two point modulation even on
>>>>>>> an external clock, the Quantar for example.  This station will even phase
>>>>>>> lock it's PL and DPL generation if provided a 1 PPS in addition to a clock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we could inject modulation into the clock generator simulcast
>>>>>>> performance would vastly improve.  I'd be interested to see your design to
>>>>>>> see if this would be a possibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bryan Fields
>>>>>>> M: +1-727-409-1194 <(727)%20409-1194>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 14:15, Reid Brandon <rfpowerguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>>>> I got a page with a pic of a man that rotated  around saying
>>>>>>> DOWNLOAD NOT FOUND.
>>>>>>> Try again!?
>>>>>>> Tks  Reid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:25 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am very interrested in all this project. My email is VE2PF @
>>>>>>> VE2MRC dot com!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what radio did you used for the project?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>>> VE2PF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-05-07 12:32 GMT-04:00 Kevin Custer <kuggie at kuggie.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not consider do it as an article for Repeater Builder?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/7/2017 3:13 AM, Joe Moskalski wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanted to throw this email out to the group for all those who want
>>>>>>> to simulcast with the RTCM. For those who don't know, in order to make the
>>>>>>> RTCM suitable for simulcast you must have a more accurate 9.6 MHz clock for
>>>>>>> the RTCM in order to ensure the audio sounds acceptable in the overlap
>>>>>>> areas. I did this a few months ago using 9.6 MHz OCXO's. This worked
>>>>>>> reasonably well. Not as well as I would have liked but the system was very
>>>>>>> usable, but of course I wanted it to be better. Since the PCGM
>>>>>>> (Programmable Clock Generation Module) is no longer available, I decided to
>>>>>>> roll my own as some say.
>>>>>>> I created a PLL circuit that can accept a 10 MHz, 1 MHz or 100 KHz
>>>>>>> reference input and produce a phase locked 9.6 MHz out for the RTCM. I have
>>>>>>> been testing this over the past few days and it has made an great
>>>>>>> improvement in the audio quality in the overlap. The quality of the audio
>>>>>>> in the overlap areas sounds very, very good, it's very similar to what I
>>>>>>> expect to hear in commercial simulcast systems. My circuit is heavily based
>>>>>>> off of an old Motorola MSF5000 HSO PLL circuit that I was able to adapt and
>>>>>>> modify to my needs.  There are other uses for this circuit that make it
>>>>>>> attractive for simulcasting but I wont get into them here. I am will to
>>>>>>> share my schematic and bill of materials (digikey) with anyone. Please send
>>>>>>> me an email and I will be willing to share all of my information on the
>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>
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From kc2irv at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 20:56:58 2017
From: kc2irv at gmail.com (Joe Moskalski)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 16:56:58 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] RTCM Simulcast and 9.6 MHz Phase locking
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That is correct. Unfortunately the Leo Bodnar unit doesn't provide that.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> So It would be good, now from what Info I have, I will still need another
> gps for the nmea and 1 pps to feed the rtcm?
>
>
> Le mer. 7 juin 2017 ? 03:46, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> I purchased one of those units about 2 months ago and they work extremely
>> well. I have used it to allow the use of Motorola Maxtrac's and GM300's for
>> simulcast operation by externally injecting a 14.4 MHz reference into the
>> radio from this unit.
>> if you want a ready-made solution that will give you GPS locked accuracy
>> and is programmable to just about any frequency you would need than this is
>> it.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> after reading on gps locked clock and  pll found this.
>>> http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_
>>> info&cPath=107&products_id=234
>>>
>>> Low-jitter GPS-locked precision frequency reference
>>> 450 Hz to 800 MHz output
>>>
>>> this could be usefull to steer about any radio model no?
>>>
>>> Is it worth the time and money to try with this device?
>>>
>>> Le ven. 12 mai 2017 ? 17:39, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> a
>>> ?crit :
>>>
>>>> A big thanks Tim. I feel less uneducated ;-) Will have to get a look at
>>>> this..
>>>>
>>>> 2017-05-12 12:03 GMT-04:00 Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Political Correctness Gone Mad. ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually it's Programmable Clock Generator Module.
>>>>>
>>>>> K
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:38 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know there is always the one that ask the obvious question but,
>>>>>> what is a pcgm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le lun. 8 mai 2017 ? 23:10, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The PCGM were noisy. I know of a case where a ham using one was shut
>>>>>>> down by the site owner. Seems the PCGM was emitting a interfering signal on
>>>>>>> high band, around 158 Mhz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bryan Fields <bryan at bryanfields.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been following this with some interest.  One of the
>>>>>>>> fundamental issues with the PCGM was the master clock going to the radio
>>>>>>>> was unable to be modulated.  This made low frequency signals (PL) distort,
>>>>>>>> and digital PL was even worse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Typically most radios use two point modulation, with modulation on
>>>>>>>> the reference oscillator.  When you add an external reference you loose
>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some base stations are designed to do two point modulation even on
>>>>>>>> an external clock, the Quantar for example.  This station will even phase
>>>>>>>> lock it's PL and DPL generation if provided a 1 PPS in addition to a clock.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we could inject modulation into the clock generator simulcast
>>>>>>>> performance would vastly improve.  I'd be interested to see your design to
>>>>>>>> see if this would be a possibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Bryan Fields
>>>>>>>> M: +1-727-409-1194 <(727)%20409-1194>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 8, 2017, at 14:15, Reid Brandon <rfpowerguy at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>>>>> I got a page with a pic of a man that rotated  around saying
>>>>>>>> DOWNLOAD NOT FOUND.
>>>>>>>> Try again!?
>>>>>>>> Tks  Reid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:25 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am very interrested in all this project. My email is VE2PF @
>>>>>>>> VE2MRC dot com!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what radio did you used for the project?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>>>> VE2PF
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-05-07 12:32 GMT-04:00 Kevin Custer <kuggie at kuggie.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why not consider do it as an article for Repeater Builder?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/7/2017 3:13 AM, Joe Moskalski wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wanted to throw this email out to the group for all those who
>>>>>>>> want to simulcast with the RTCM. For those who don't know, in order to make
>>>>>>>> the RTCM suitable for simulcast you must have a more accurate 9.6 MHz clock
>>>>>>>> for the RTCM in order to ensure the audio sounds acceptable in the overlap
>>>>>>>> areas. I did this a few months ago using 9.6 MHz OCXO's. This worked
>>>>>>>> reasonably well. Not as well as I would have liked but the system was very
>>>>>>>> usable, but of course I wanted it to be better. Since the PCGM
>>>>>>>> (Programmable Clock Generation Module) is no longer available, I decided to
>>>>>>>> roll my own as some say.
>>>>>>>> I created a PLL circuit that can accept a 10 MHz, 1 MHz or 100 KHz
>>>>>>>> reference input and produce a phase locked 9.6 MHz out for the RTCM. I have
>>>>>>>> been testing this over the past few days and it has made an great
>>>>>>>> improvement in the audio quality in the overlap. The quality of the audio
>>>>>>>> in the overlap areas sounds very, very good, it's very similar to what I
>>>>>>>> expect to hear in commercial simulcast systems. My circuit is heavily based
>>>>>>>> off of an old Motorola MSF5000 HSO PLL circuit that I was able to adapt and
>>>>>>>> modify to my needs.  There are other uses for this circuit that make it
>>>>>>>> attractive for simulcasting but I wont get into them here. I am will to
>>>>>>>> share my schematic and bill of materials (digikey) with anyone. Please send
>>>>>>>> me an email and I will be willing to share all of my information on the
>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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From dshaw at ke6upi.com  Wed Jun  7 23:16:26 2017
From: dshaw at ke6upi.com (David KE6UPI)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 16:16:26 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
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Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud base
VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.

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From nessenj at jimsoffice.org  Wed Jun  7 23:25:16 2017
From: nessenj at jimsoffice.org (Jim Nessen)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 23:25:16 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
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May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL

Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.

Jim, K6JWN
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Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts

Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud base VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.

Thanks, David
KE6UPI


From shawpbx at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 23:28:19 2017
From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 16:28:19 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
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Thanks Jim, I should have known. I wasn't thinking.

David



--
Thanks, David

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed one."
Thomas Jefferson

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jim Nessen <nessenj at jimsoffice.org> wrote:

> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
>
> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.
>
> Jim, K6JWN
> ________________________________________
> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on
> behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
> To: APP RPT
> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
>
> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud base
> VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
>
> Thanks, David
> KE6UPI
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 23:41:19 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 18:41:19 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
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I was just looking at the install script has anyone tried this with centos
7?

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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http://voipham.com

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:28 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jim, I should have known. I wasn't thinking.
>
> David
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks, David
>
> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
> inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
> the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
> than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
> confidence than an armed one."
> Thomas Jefferson
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jim Nessen <nessenj at jimsoffice.org> wrote:
>
>> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
>>
>> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.
>>
>> Jim, K6JWN
>> ________________________________________
>> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on
>> behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
>> To: APP RPT
>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
>>
>> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud base
>> VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
>>
>> Thanks, David
>> KE6UPI
>> _______________________________________________
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From shawpbx at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 23:45:57 2017
From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 16:45:57 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
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Hey Loren, Looks like Debian. Sorry

David



--
Thanks, David

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed one."
Thomas Jefferson

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was just looking at the install script has anyone tried this with centos
> 7?
>
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
> Phone:
> Fax:
> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
> http://www.lorentedford.com
> http://www.kc9zhv.com
> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
> http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
> http://voipham.com
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:28 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jim, I should have known. I wasn't thinking.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks, David
>>
>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jim Nessen <nessenj at jimsoffice.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
>>>
>>> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.
>>>
>>> Jim, K6JWN
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on
>>> behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
>>> To: APP RPT
>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
>>>
>>> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud
>>> base VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
>>>
>>> Thanks, David
>>> KE6UPI
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 00:47:35 2017
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 00:47:35 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
In-Reply-To: <CAH4RvbLsi4Gx6u2rOqca095B70AYbPsEXBmjNFM9sxn-7Ch1-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4RvbL8tA_me8ZnmgRWZ1fgMC3A7yp0=tpGhV56f2V-s_YdZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <MWHPR1301MB1885F009819199C8E436650BD9C80@MWHPR1301MB1885.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH4RvbL0Q-NLambfL4_4KfcVi0Vc9E13dO-M0xEnVSWucNfqow@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK=eTyiMw0_Rj-LRxDLModao2xO5ABfUtAuvDTASvqKLVfRa9g@mail.gmail.com>
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at the beginning of the script it is stated that it is for debian.

And line 11 make it obvious.

apt-get install unzip -y

Centos is based on RHEL so it use yum as a package manager, debian based
use apt.

It could work on a Ubuntu or other debian derivative but will definitly
wont work on a Red Hat derivative.



Le mer. 7 juin 2017 ? 19:46, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hey Loren, Looks like Debian. Sorry
>
> David
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks, David
>
> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
> inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
> the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
> than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
> confidence than an armed one."
> Thomas Jefferson
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I was just looking at the install script has anyone tried this with
>> centos 7?
>>
>> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
>> Phone:
>> Fax:
>> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
>> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
>> http://www.lorentedford.com
>> http://www.kc9zhv.com
>> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
>> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
>> http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
>> http://voipham.com
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:28 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jim, I should have known. I wasn't thinking.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks, David
>>>
>>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jim Nessen <nessenj at jimsoffice.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
>>>>
>>>> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.
>>>>
>>>> Jim, K6JWN
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on
>>>> behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
>>>> To: APP RPT
>>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
>>>>
>>>> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud
>>>> base VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, David
>>>> KE6UPI
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Thu Jun  8 01:11:25 2017
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 21:11:25 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
In-Reply-To: <a3127981-556a-26d1-a1fc-3639f9b595d8@msgstor.com>
References: <CAMkXzgQAFzgoBNhMyMPy2wwdN0Q=Lm+y8iAKQr-uyumz--FEnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a3127981-556a-26d1-a1fc-3639f9b595d8@msgstor.com>
Message-ID: <3b010926-b549-5a5d-ff22-df1b8080f3ae@bryanfields.net>

On 5/10/17 3:19 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
> That is a leftover "mandated" from above. It will be disabled in the RC.

I can confirm debian/debian via ssh on port 222 (!) is now part of a well
known scanner/malware tool and identified as allstarlinux.

This has been brute forcing a number of dial installs on HamWAN.  They install
a script that tests CPU and looks to either install a bitcoin miner or network
scanner.  The RPi's got the network scanner :)

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From shawpbx at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 01:44:32 2017
From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 18:44:32 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
In-Reply-To: <CAH4RvbL0Q-NLambfL4_4KfcVi0Vc9E13dO-M0xEnVSWucNfqow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4RvbL8tA_me8ZnmgRWZ1fgMC3A7yp0=tpGhV56f2V-s_YdZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH4RvbJmuVuG5m=ZWZz2u_v1xvJcaJkRLef+eswJXzvJ58zv2A@mail.gmail.com>

So it wouldn't install on OpenVM. I can't find the kernel headers. I'll
check with the hosting site.. I loaded Debian 7.0 i386..

Thanks, David



--
Thanks, David

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed one."
Thomas Jefferson

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:28 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jim, I should have known. I wasn't thinking.
>
> David
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks, David
>
> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
> inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
> the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
> than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
> confidence than an armed one."
> Thomas Jefferson
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jim Nessen <nessenj at jimsoffice.org> wrote:
>
>> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
>>
>> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.
>>
>> Jim, K6JWN
>> ________________________________________
>> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on
>> behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
>> To: APP RPT
>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
>>
>> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud base
>> VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
>>
>> Thanks, David
>> KE6UPI
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From iabarryyy at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 01:45:19 2017
From: iabarryyy at gmail.com (Barry Buelow)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 20:45:19 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Anyone doing HF remote base using hamlib?
Message-ID: <199f6acb-787a-76b2-e75d-de44384c1c88@gmail.com>

I'd be interested in asking some questions off-list.

Thanks

Barry w0iy




From mhebert1975 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 01:46:31 2017
From: mhebert1975 at gmail.com (Michael Hebert)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 20:46:31 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Anyone doing HF remote base using hamlib?
In-Reply-To: <199f6acb-787a-76b2-e75d-de44384c1c88@gmail.com>
References: <199f6acb-787a-76b2-e75d-de44384c1c88@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQAhPEvgEaS=Gw57EBtt=BTkPvHedAa_WEHm09fWzFeAvE3pA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I had a ic-7000 setup

Michael KD5DFB

On Jun 7, 2017 8:45 PM, "Barry Buelow" <iabarryyy at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd be interested in asking some questions off-list.
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry w0iy
>
>
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From bdboyle at bdboyle.com  Thu Jun  8 01:55:14 2017
From: bdboyle at bdboyle.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 21:55:14 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Security was Re: What is the "debian" user in the
	DIAL distro?
In-Reply-To: <3b010926-b549-5a5d-ff22-df1b8080f3ae@bryanfields.net>
References: <CAMkXzgQAFzgoBNhMyMPy2wwdN0Q=Lm+y8iAKQr-uyumz--FEnw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6C114097-2223-4197-ACD4-6A87F02B7A66@bdboyle.com>

Based on tests that the security research arm of my company has run (well-known IT company that's been around for over a century...), the elapsed time that a system exposed to the network is discovered, probed, and if well-known vulnerable ports are detailed (and the scum or nation states who do this keep records), then attempted to be pwned is somewhere between a minute to a half hour.  

Just for giggles, i spun up a pi with a sip server enabled connected to a second port on my router  and started a tail -f on the messages file and grepped for the sip daemon.  routed the sip port on my external router to the pi, a sat back. (there was no route from the pi to my internal network)

3 minutes till the first probe.  15 till the attempted pwning.  SIP was the only inbound port opened.  I just watched...and went on for an hour (no, they didn't take over the system, only ate up bandwidth, of which I am pretty ok with being on FTTH).  It's all automated.  don't even need human intervention for the probe, just to select the attack vectors when the automated system pops a live port selection.

Default SSH is NO guarantee.  Allowing root access from an interactive login from the net port deserves to be punished.  Bogus user passwords that are guessable should be cause for your isp to turn off your connection.   Moving to a different port is just attempted security through obscurity.   Open ports from the outside inbound that allow anyone on the network to connect will be probed and attempts (DoS, null sled, buffer overruns, etc) to subvert your system as a c&c node, bitcoin miner, email spam relay, porn repository, or whathaveyou is the goal.

After doing this since 1988 or so,  it's only the frequency that it happens that's changing, not that it's happening.  

fail2ban is a good stopgap measure for ports that you positively HAVE to have exposed.  router firewall enabled and locked down?  good.  iptables set up properly?  passwords NOT based on dictionary words or used for your other online activities? yeah, it's a pain. the alternative is your system being taken over and used for other purposes while you sleep.  

Lots more you can do.  the basic mantra you should have is: "That which is not expressly permitted is prohibited".  
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 07:12:19 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:12:19 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
In-Reply-To: <CAH4RvbJmuVuG5m=ZWZz2u_v1xvJcaJkRLef+eswJXzvJ58zv2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4RvbL8tA_me8ZnmgRWZ1fgMC3A7yp0=tpGhV56f2V-s_YdZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAK=eTygHnb=EVG-zATCg8X8y-yq-2nZpTe-yfWvp=QgAG64OGA@mail.gmail.com>

David actually what i was referring to was going through and finding the
packages for yum instead of apt-get.. I was considering downsizing one of
my nodes out at the data center.. That's why i was asking if anyone has
converted this to centos 7 yet.. I will try and see if i get enough time to
play with it and see if i can find equivalent packages to make allstarlink
work in centos 7 but no promises..

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:618-553-0806
Fax: 1-618-551-2755
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
http://www.lorentedford.com
http://www.kc9zhv.com
http://forum.kc9zhv.com
http://hub.kc9zhv.com
http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:44 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:

> So it wouldn't install on OpenVM. I can't find the kernel headers. I'll
> check with the hosting site.. I loaded Debian 7.0 i386..
>
> Thanks, David
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks, David
>
> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
> inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
> the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
> than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
> confidence than an armed one."
> Thomas Jefferson
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:28 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jim, I should have known. I wasn't thinking.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks, David
>>
>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jim Nessen <nessenj at jimsoffice.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
>>>
>>> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.
>>>
>>> Jim, K6JWN
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on
>>> behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
>>> To: APP RPT
>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
>>>
>>> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud
>>> base VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
>>>
>>> Thanks, David
>>> KE6UPI
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 08:13:17 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 03:13:17 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Security was Re: What is the "debian" user in
 the DIAL distro?
In-Reply-To: <6C114097-2223-4197-ACD4-6A87F02B7A66@bdboyle.com>
References: <CAMkXzgQAFzgoBNhMyMPy2wwdN0Q=Lm+y8iAKQr-uyumz--FEnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a3127981-556a-26d1-a1fc-3639f9b595d8@msgstor.com>
 <3b010926-b549-5a5d-ff22-df1b8080f3ae@bryanfields.net>
 <6C114097-2223-4197-ACD4-6A87F02B7A66@bdboyle.com>
Message-ID: <CAK=eTygnO8mrz+VRV=p3k9z2Q_TdYdv+QOe7k3JAS5GwdEugAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bryan What about the use of UFW?? I have been using ufw in place of
iptables started that about 4 years ago.. Is their a known risk from ufw
rather iptables?? I thought they had similar characteristics..

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:618-553-0806
Fax: 1-618-551-2755
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
http://www.lorentedford.com
http://www.kc9zhv.com
http://forum.kc9zhv.com
http://hub.kc9zhv.com
http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle at bdboyle.com> wrote:

> Based on tests that the security research arm of my company has run
> (well-known IT company that's been around for over a century...), the
> elapsed time that a system exposed to the network is discovered, probed,
> and if well-known vulnerable ports are detailed (and the scum or nation
> states who do this keep records), then attempted to be pwned is somewhere
> between a minute to a half hour.
>
> Just for giggles, i spun up a pi with a sip server enabled connected to a
> second port on my router  and started a tail -f on the messages file and
> grepped for the sip daemon.  routed the sip port on my external router to
> the pi, a sat back. (there was no route from the pi to my internal network)
>
> 3 minutes till the first probe.  15 till the attempted pwning.  SIP was
> the only inbound port opened.  I just watched...and went on for an hour
> (no, they didn't take over the system, only ate up bandwidth, of which I am
> pretty ok with being on FTTH).  It's all automated.  don't even need human
> intervention for the probe, just to select the attack vectors when the
> automated system pops a live port selection.
>
> Default SSH is NO guarantee.  Allowing root access from an interactive
> login from the net port deserves to be punished.  Bogus user passwords that
> are guessable should be cause for your isp to turn off your connection.
> Moving to a different port is just attempted security through obscurity.
> Open ports from the outside inbound that allow anyone on the network to
> connect will be probed and attempts (DoS, null sled, buffer overruns, etc)
> to subvert your system as a c&c node, bitcoin miner, email spam relay, porn
> repository, or whathaveyou is the goal.
>
> After doing this since 1988 or so,  it's only the frequency that it
> happens that's changing, not that it's happening.
>
> fail2ban is a good stopgap measure for ports that you positively HAVE to
> have exposed.  router firewall enabled and locked down?  good.  iptables
> set up properly?  passwords NOT based on dictionary words or used for your
> other online activities? yeah, it's a pain. the alternative is your system
> being taken over and used for other purposes while you sleep.
>
> Lots more you can do.  the basic mantra you should have is: "That which is
> not expressly permitted is prohibited".
> --
> Bryan CISSP/CEH/CISM
> Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this
> message.
>
>
>
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From jerutley at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 12:26:43 2017
From: jerutley at gmail.com (Jeremy Utley)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 07:26:43 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Security was Re: What is the "debian" user in
	the DIAL distro?
In-Reply-To: <CAK=eTygnO8mrz+VRV=p3k9z2Q_TdYdv+QOe7k3JAS5GwdEugAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMkXzgQAFzgoBNhMyMPy2wwdN0Q=Lm+y8iAKQr-uyumz--FEnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a3127981-556a-26d1-a1fc-3639f9b595d8@msgstor.com>
 <3b010926-b549-5a5d-ff22-df1b8080f3ae@bryanfields.net>
 <6C114097-2223-4197-ACD4-6A87F02B7A66@bdboyle.com>
 <CAK=eTygnO8mrz+VRV=p3k9z2Q_TdYdv+QOe7k3JAS5GwdEugAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <014d01d2e052$7d557ba0$780072e0$@gmail.com>

UFW is really just a front-end for iptables.  You give instructions to UFW, it does the correct IPTables lines to make it happen.  Firewalld on CentOS 7 is the same way.  Any network firewalling tool on Linux is going to be IPTables under the hood.

 

Jeremy, NQ0M

 

From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Loren Tedford
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:13 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Security was Re: What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?

 

Bryan What about the use of UFW?? I have been using ufw in place of iptables started that about 4 years ago.. Is their a known risk from ufw rather iptables?? I thought they had similar characteristics.. 




Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) 

Phone:618-553-0806

Fax: 1-618-551-2755
Email:  <mailto:lorentedford at gmail.com> lorentedford at gmail.com

Email:  <mailto:KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com> KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com

 <http://www.lorentedford.com/> http://www.lorentedford.com

 <http://www.kc9zhv.com/> http://www.kc9zhv.com

 <http://forum.kc9zhv.com/> http://forum.kc9zhv.com

 <http://hub.kc9zhv.com/> http://hub.kc9zhv.com

 <http://ltcraft.net/> http://Ltcraft.net

http://voipham.com

 

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle at bdboyle.com <mailto:bdboyle at bdboyle.com> > wrote:

Based on tests that the security research arm of my company has run (well-known IT company that's been around for over a century...), the elapsed time that a system exposed to the network is discovered, probed, and if well-known vulnerable ports are detailed (and the scum or nation states who do this keep records), then attempted to be pwned is somewhere between a minute to a half hour.  

 

Just for giggles, i spun up a pi with a sip server enabled connected to a second port on my router  and started a tail -f on the messages file and grepped for the sip daemon.  routed the sip port on my external router to the pi, a sat back. (there was no route from the pi to my internal network)

 

3 minutes till the first probe.  15 till the attempted pwning.  SIP was the only inbound port opened.  I just watched...and went on for an hour (no, they didn't take over the system, only ate up bandwidth, of which I am pretty ok with being on FTTH).  It's all automated.  don't even need human intervention for the probe, just to select the attack vectors when the automated system pops a live port selection.

 

Default SSH is NO guarantee.  Allowing root access from an interactive login from the net port deserves to be punished.  Bogus user passwords that are guessable should be cause for your isp to turn off your connection.   Moving to a different port is just attempted security through obscurity.   Open ports from the outside inbound that allow anyone on the network to connect will be probed and attempts (DoS, null sled, buffer overruns, etc) to subvert your system as a c&c node, bitcoin miner, email spam relay, porn repository, or whathaveyou is the goal.

 

After doing this since 1988 or so,  it's only the frequency that it happens that's changing, not that it's happening.  

fail2ban is a good stopgap measure for ports that you positively HAVE to have exposed.  router firewall enabled and locked down?  good.  iptables set up properly?  passwords NOT based on dictionary words or used for your other online activities? yeah, it's a pain. the alternative is your system being taken over and used for other purposes while you sleep.  

 

Lots more you can do.  the basic mantra you should have is: "That which is not expressly permitted is prohibited".  
--

Bryan CISSP/CEH/CISM

Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.

 

 


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From shawpbx at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 12:30:42 2017
From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 05:30:42 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
In-Reply-To: <CAK=eTygHnb=EVG-zATCg8X8y-yq-2nZpTe-yfWvp=QgAG64OGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4RvbL8tA_me8ZnmgRWZ1fgMC3A7yp0=tpGhV56f2V-s_YdZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <MWHPR1301MB1885F009819199C8E436650BD9C80@MWHPR1301MB1885.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH4RvbL0Q-NLambfL4_4KfcVi0Vc9E13dO-M0xEnVSWucNfqow@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH4RvbJmuVuG5m=ZWZz2u_v1xvJcaJkRLef+eswJXzvJ58zv2A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAK=eTygHnb=EVG-zATCg8X8y-yq-2nZpTe-yfWvp=QgAG64OGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4RvbLvPs2PGofcrY2-iFER9HK76QV4r8Cdbru1eA9XkiXcSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Loren, I didn't see to many apt-get(s) in the script folders. A couple
of files where apt-get installs. Didn't look too bad.

David



--
Thanks, David

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed one."
Thomas Jefferson

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
wrote:

> David actually what i was referring to was going through and finding the
> packages for yum instead of apt-get.. I was considering downsizing one of
> my nodes out at the data center.. That's why i was asking if anyone has
> converted this to centos 7 yet.. I will try and see if i get enough time to
> play with it and see if i can find equivalent packages to make allstarlink
> work in centos 7 but no promises..
>
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
> Phone:618-553-0806 <(618)%20553-0806>
> Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755>
> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
> http://www.lorentedford.com
> http://www.kc9zhv.com
> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
> http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
> http://voipham.com
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:44 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So it wouldn't install on OpenVM. I can't find the kernel headers. I'll
>> check with the hosting site.. I loaded Debian 7.0 i386..
>>
>> Thanks, David
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks, David
>>
>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:28 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jim, I should have known. I wasn't thinking.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks, David
>>>
>>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jim Nessen <nessenj at jimsoffice.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
>>>>
>>>> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.
>>>>
>>>> Jim, K6JWN
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on
>>>> behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
>>>> To: APP RPT
>>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
>>>>
>>>> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud
>>>> base VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, David
>>>> KE6UPI
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From szingman at msgstor.com  Thu Jun  8 13:07:36 2017
From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 09:07:36 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
In-Reply-To: <3b010926-b549-5a5d-ff22-df1b8080f3ae@bryanfields.net>
References: <CAMkXzgQAFzgoBNhMyMPy2wwdN0Q=Lm+y8iAKQr-uyumz--FEnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a3127981-556a-26d1-a1fc-3639f9b595d8@msgstor.com>
 <3b010926-b549-5a5d-ff22-df1b8080f3ae@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <4fa882be-d6cf-c0c8-a48a-0768bdce0cbe@msgstor.com>

I am checking to see how far back a "force" update will go. I can force 
the node to execute a script, though it's checked for by cron once a day.

On 6/7/2017 9:11 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> On 5/10/17 3:19 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
>> That is a leftover "mandated" from above. It will be disabled in the RC.
> I can confirm debian/debian via ssh on port 222 (!) is now part of a well
> known scanner/malware tool and identified as allstarlinux.
>
> This has been brute forcing a number of dial installs on HamWAN.  They install
> a script that tests CPU and looks to either install a bitcoin miner or network
> scanner.  The RPi's got the network scanner :)
>
> 73's



From bdboyle at bdboyle.com  Thu Jun  8 13:27:27 2017
From: bdboyle at bdboyle.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 09:27:27 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Security was Re: What is the "debian" user in
	the DIAL distro?
In-Reply-To: <014d01d2e052$7d557ba0$780072e0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAMkXzgQAFzgoBNhMyMPy2wwdN0Q=Lm+y8iAKQr-uyumz--FEnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <a3127981-556a-26d1-a1fc-3639f9b595d8@msgstor.com>
 <3b010926-b549-5a5d-ff22-df1b8080f3ae@bryanfields.net>
 <6C114097-2223-4197-ACD4-6A87F02B7A66@bdboyle.com>
 <CAK=eTygnO8mrz+VRV=p3k9z2Q_TdYdv+QOe7k3JAS5GwdEugAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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you beat me to it.

thanks!
--
Bryan
Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.



> On Jun 8, 2017, at 08:26, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> UFW is really just a front-end for iptables.  You give instructions to UFW, it does the correct IPTables lines to make it happen.  Firewalld on CentOS 7 is the same way.  Any network firewalling tool on Linux is going to be IPTables under the hood.
>  
> Jeremy, NQ0M
>  
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Loren Tedford
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:13 AM
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Security was Re: What is the "debian" user in the DIAL distro?
>  
> Bryan What about the use of UFW?? I have been using ufw in place of iptables started that about 4 years ago.. Is their a known risk from ufw rather iptables?? I thought they had similar characteristics.. 
> 
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) 
> Phone:618-553-0806
> Fax: 1-618-551-2755
> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
> http://www.lorentedford.com
> http://www.kc9zhv.com
> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
> http://Ltcraft.net
> http://voipham.com
>  
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle at bdboyle.com> wrote:
> Based on tests that the security research arm of my company has run (well-known IT company that's been around for over a century...), the elapsed time that a system exposed to the network is discovered, probed, and if well-known vulnerable ports are detailed (and the scum or nation states who do this keep records), then attempted to be pwned is somewhere between a minute to a half hour.  
>  
> Just for giggles, i spun up a pi with a sip server enabled connected to a second port on my router  and started a tail -f on the messages file and grepped for the sip daemon.  routed the sip port on my external router to the pi, a sat back. (there was no route from the pi to my internal network)
>  
> 3 minutes till the first probe.  15 till the attempted pwning.  SIP was the only inbound port opened.  I just watched...and went on for an hour (no, they didn't take over the system, only ate up bandwidth, of which I am pretty ok with being on FTTH).  It's all automated.  don't even need human intervention for the probe, just to select the attack vectors when the automated system pops a live port selection.
>  
> Default SSH is NO guarantee.  Allowing root access from an interactive login from the net port deserves to be punished.  Bogus user passwords that are guessable should be cause for your isp to turn off your connection.   Moving to a different port is just attempted security through obscurity.   Open ports from the outside inbound that allow anyone on the network to connect will be probed and attempts (DoS, null sled, buffer overruns, etc) to subvert your system as a c&c node, bitcoin miner, email spam relay, porn repository, or whathaveyou is the goal.
>  
> After doing this since 1988 or so,  it's only the frequency that it happens that's changing, not that it's happening.  
> 
> fail2ban is a good stopgap measure for ports that you positively HAVE to have exposed.  router firewall enabled and locked down?  good.  iptables set up properly?  passwords NOT based on dictionary words or used for your other online activities? yeah, it's a pain. the alternative is your system being taken over and used for other purposes while you sleep.  
>  
> Lots more you can do.  the basic mantra you should have is: "That which is not expressly permitted is prohibited".  
> --
> Bryan CISSP/CEH/CISM
> Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
>  
>  
> 
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From szingman at msgstor.com  Thu Jun  8 13:29:33 2017
From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 09:29:33 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Security was Re: What is the "debian" user in
 the DIAL distro?
In-Reply-To: <C8DCF0DC-8DAF-4A1E-AD43-6B8B345963C1@bdboyle.com>
References: <CAMkXzgQAFzgoBNhMyMPy2wwdN0Q=Lm+y8iAKQr-uyumz--FEnw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <6C114097-2223-4197-ACD4-6A87F02B7A66@bdboyle.com>
 <CAK=eTygnO8mrz+VRV=p3k9z2Q_TdYdv+QOe7k3JAS5GwdEugAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <014d01d2e052$7d557ba0$780072e0$@gmail.com>
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Updated images will use Shorewall to "frontend" iptables

On 6/8/2017 9:27 AM, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
> you beat me to it.
>
> thanks!
> -- 
> Bryan
> Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of 
> this message.
>
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 08:26, Jeremy Utley <jerutley at gmail.com 
> <mailto:jerutley at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> UFW is really just a front-end for iptables.  You give instructions 
>> to UFW, it does the correct IPTables lines to make it happen.  
>> Firewalld on CentOS 7 is the same way.  Any network firewalling tool 
>> on Linux is going to be IPTables under the hood.
>>
>> Jeremy, NQ0M
>>
>> *From:* App_rpt-users 
>> [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Loren Tedford
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:13 AM
>> *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org 
>> <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] Security was Re: What is the "debian" 
>> user in the DIAL distro?
>>
>> Bryan What about the use of UFW?? I have been using ufw in place of 
>> iptables started that about 4 years ago.. Is their a known risk from 
>> ufw rather iptables?? I thought they had similar characteristics..
>>
>>
>> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
>>
>> Phone:618-553-0806
>>
>> Fax: 1-618-551-2755
>> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com <mailto:lorentedford at gmail.com>
>>
>> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com <mailto:KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com>
>>
>> http://www.lorentedford.com <http://www.lorentedford.com/>
>>
>> http://www.kc9zhv.com <http://www.kc9zhv.com/>
>>
>> http://forum.kc9zhv.com <http://forum.kc9zhv.com/>
>>
>> http://hub.kc9zhv.com <http://hub.kc9zhv.com/>
>>
>> http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
>>
>> http://voipham.com
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle at bdboyle.com 
>> <mailto:bdboyle at bdboyle.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Based on tests that the security research arm of my company has
>>     run (well-known IT company that's been around for over a
>>     century...), the elapsed time that a system exposed to the
>>     network is discovered, probed, and if well-known vulnerable ports
>>     are detailed (and the scum or nation states who do this keep
>>     records), then attempted to be pwned is somewhere between a
>>     minute to a half hour.
>>
>>     Just for giggles, i spun up a pi with a sip server enabled
>>     connected to a second port on my router  and started a tail -f on
>>     the messages file and grepped for the sip daemon.  routed the sip
>>     port on my external router to the pi, a sat back. (there was no
>>     route from the pi to my internal network)
>>
>>     3 minutes till the first probe.  15 till the attempted pwning. 
>>     SIP was the only inbound port opened.  I just watched...and went
>>     on for an hour (no, they didn't take over the system, only ate up
>>     bandwidth, of which I am pretty ok with being on FTTH).  It's all
>>     automated.  don't even need human intervention for the probe,
>>     just to select the attack vectors when the automated system pops
>>     a live port selection.
>>
>>     Default SSH is NO guarantee. Allowing root access from an
>>     interactive login from the net port deserves to be punished.
>>     Bogus user passwords that are guessable should be cause for your
>>     isp to turn off your connection.   Moving to a different port is
>>     just attempted security through obscurity.   Open ports from the
>>     outside inbound that allow anyone on the network to connect will
>>     be probed and attempts (DoS, null sled, buffer overruns, etc) to
>>     subvert your system as a c&c node, bitcoin miner, email spam
>>     relay, porn repository, or whathaveyou is the goal.
>>
>>     After doing this since 1988 or so,  it's only the frequency that
>>     it happens that's changing, not that it's happening.
>>
>>     fail2ban is a good stopgap measure for ports that you positively
>>     HAVE to have exposed.  router firewall enabled and locked down?
>>      good.  iptables set up properly?  passwords NOT based on
>>     dictionary words or used for your other online activities? yeah,
>>     it's a pain. the alternative is your system being taken over and
>>     used for other purposes while you sleep.
>>
>>     Lots more you can do.  the basic mantra you should have is: "That
>>     which is not expressly permitted is prohibited".
>>     --
>>
>>     Bryan CISSP/CEH/CISM
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending
>>     of this message.
>>
>>
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 14:03:49 2017
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 14:03:49 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
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Not all hosting site permit the installation of kernel module like Dahdi,
si check  with then before going further.
Le jeu. 8 juin 2017 ? 08:30, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hey Loren, I didn't see to many apt-get(s) in the script folders. A couple
> of files where apt-get installs. Didn't look too bad.
>
> David
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks, David
>
> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
> inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
> the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
> than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
> confidence than an armed one."
> Thomas Jefferson
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> David actually what i was referring to was going through and finding the
>> packages for yum instead of apt-get.. I was considering downsizing one of
>> my nodes out at the data center.. That's why i was asking if anyone has
>> converted this to centos 7 yet.. I will try and see if i get enough time to
>> play with it and see if i can find equivalent packages to make allstarlink
>> work in centos 7 but no promises..
>>
>> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
>> Phone:618-553-0806 <(618)%20553-0806>
>> Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755>
>> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
>> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
>> http://www.lorentedford.com
>> http://www.kc9zhv.com
>> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
>> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
>> http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
>> http://voipham.com
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:44 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So it wouldn't install on OpenVM. I can't find the kernel headers. I'll
>>> check with the hosting site.. I loaded Debian 7.0 i386..
>>>
>>> Thanks, David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks, David
>>>
>>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:28 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jim, I should have known. I wasn't thinking.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>
>>>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>>>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>>>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>>>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>>>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jim Nessen <nessenj at jimsoffice.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim, K6JWN
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on
>>>>> behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
>>>>> To: APP RPT
>>>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud
>>>>> base VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>> KE6UPI
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Thu Jun  8 18:41:52 2017
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 14:41:52 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Debian Allstar Linux Image (DIAL) vulnerability
Message-ID: <27d2ee9f-cc07-1e99-1008-8e9695697227@bryanfields.net>

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Debian Allstar Linux Image (DIAL) vulnerability
AllStarLink, Inc

June 8, 2017

Summary

	A critical vulnerability has been found in DIAL permitting a remote
	attacker log into the node and gain local user shell.

	This vulnerability exists because the DIAL default install has a
	default user account with a static password.   An attacker could
	exploit this vulnerability by connecting remotely to a node and
	logging in by using the credentials for this default user account.

	AllStarLink has released new x86 and arm install images which remove
	this default account by default.

	No privilege escalation has been found.

Affected Releases

	DIAL x86
	DIAL arm (Raspberry Pi)

Workarounds

	Depending on release remove the following user accounts:
	pi - arm
	debian - x86

	Example code to disable and remove accounts:
	
	x86:
	'passwd -d debian'
	'userdel -r debian'
	
	arm:
	'passwd -d pi'
	'userdel -r pi'

	Further an acl or firewall can be used to restrict remote ssh access
	to the node.

Exploitation and Public Announcements

	A well known scanning tool has added "allstarlinux" to it's exploit
	scanning tools.  Exploited systems have been found to engage in
	bitcoin mining, SIP termination or further scanning.

	If a node has been exploited AllStarLink recommends a re-imaging of
	the system.

Fixed Releases

	Users should upgrade to the current RC1 release.
	arm - http://dvswitch.org/files/DIAL/amd64-i386-DIAL-RC1.tar.gz
	x86 - http://dvswitch.org/files/DIAL/RAT_RC1.tar.gz

Further notes

	The older centos based ACID distribution has not been checked to
	determine if it's affected by this vulnerability.  ACID has been
	depreciated and unsupported since 2015.  All ACID users should
	migrate immediately to DIAL.
	
	The AllStarLink app_rpt mailing list provides a discussion forum and
	access to the admin and development teams.  We encourage all users
	to join and participate.
	
	http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
	
Status of this Notice

   This notice provides information for the community. Distribution of
   this notice is unlimited.

Copyright

   Copyright (C) AllStarLink, Inc (2017).  All Rights Reserved.
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Thu Jun  8 18:47:00 2017
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 14:47:00 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] To All DIAL Users from AllStarLink Admin Team
Message-ID: <6500d152-0934-42a2-bae7-79544481dc95@bryanfields.net>

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All DIAL users,

The AllStarLink administrative team has identified a vulnerability in
DIAL.  These details are available in a separate notice.

In part to mitigate this, we have identified a way to fix this via the
well known user account.  We propose to to script and execute code which
should fix this issue on any nodes connected to the ASL network.

What will this script do?

	This script will disable all the "pi" and "debian" users, killall
	process running by these users and then logout of the node.  Once
	this is complete ASL will no longer have remote access to the node.

What if I don't want this done to my node?

	Change the login or restrict login via ssh for the pi and debian
	users. You may also email the admin team with your node numbers to
	opt-out.

Why is the admin team taking these actions?
Why not allow people to fix their own nodes?

	The admin team believes most users of DIAL are generally radio users
	first, and Linux administrators second.  Many may not know what
	issues this can cause on their system and the admin team believes
	this will mitigate any problems end users may have mitigating this
	on their own.

	Any user is free to opt-out and respond to this issue in their own
	way if they so choose.

What if I'm running ACID?

	ACID is unsupported and quite outdated.  We encourage all ACID users
	to migrate to DIAL.

What if I'm using another distribution or have compiled AllStar from source?
	
	It's likely you're unaffected and have the skills to maintain your
	node securely on your own.
	
What if my box is compromised?

	If your node is compromised we suggest a complete re-install.
	
	From the exploits we have seen in the wild, none have root or done
	anything other than scanning/bitcoin mining.  We have see the
	attackers download the asterisk config files so it would be wise to
	change any passwords you may have.  We suspect this is looking to
	exploit SIP call termination for profit.

What if I have questions not answered here?

	Please post them to the AllStarLink mailing list.
	Note: you must be subscribed to post.
	
	http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

When will this action take place?

	The ASL admin team is expecting to do this at 0000 UTC June 10, 2017

Status of this Notice

   This notice provides information for the community. Distribution of
   this notice is unlimited.

Copyright

   Copyright (C) AllStarLink, Inc (2017).  All Rights Reserved.
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From nessenj at jimsoffice.org  Thu Jun  8 19:08:04 2017
From: nessenj at jimsoffice.org (Jim Nessen)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 19:08:04 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] To All DIAL Users from AllStarLink Admin Team
In-Reply-To: <6500d152-0934-42a2-bae7-79544481dc95@bryanfields.net>
References: <6500d152-0934-42a2-bae7-79544481dc95@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR1301MB1885B1385CE114DB5624ED51D9C90@MWHPR1301MB1885.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Great write up, thank you!

Jim, K6JWN

________________________________________
From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:47 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: [App_rpt-users] To All DIAL Users from AllStarLink Admin Team

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All DIAL users,

The AllStarLink administrative team has identified a vulnerability in
DIAL.  These details are available in a separate notice.

In part to mitigate this, we have identified a way to fix this via the
well known user account.  We propose to to script and execute code which
should fix this issue on any nodes connected to the ASL network.

What will this script do?

        This script will disable all the "pi" and "debian" users, killall
        process running by these users and then logout of the node.  Once
        this is complete ASL will no longer have remote access to the node.

What if I don't want this done to my node?

        Change the login or restrict login via ssh for the pi and debian
        users. You may also email the admin team with your node numbers to
        opt-out.

Why is the admin team taking these actions?
Why not allow people to fix their own nodes?

        The admin team believes most users of DIAL are generally radio users
        first, and Linux administrators second.  Many may not know what
        issues this can cause on their system and the admin team believes
        this will mitigate any problems end users may have mitigating this
        on their own.

        Any user is free to opt-out and respond to this issue in their own
        way if they so choose.

What if I'm running ACID?

        ACID is unsupported and quite outdated.  We encourage all ACID users
        to migrate to DIAL.

What if I'm using another distribution or have compiled AllStar from source?

        It's likely you're unaffected and have the skills to maintain your
        node securely on your own.

What if my box is compromised?

        If your node is compromised we suggest a complete re-install.

        From the exploits we have seen in the wild, none have root or done
        anything other than scanning/bitcoin mining.  We have see the
        attackers download the asterisk config files so it would be wise to
        change any passwords you may have.  We suspect this is looking to
        exploit SIP call termination for profit.

What if I have questions not answered here?

        Please post them to the AllStarLink mailing list.
        Note: you must be subscribed to post.

        http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

When will this action take place?

        The ASL admin team is expecting to do this at 0000 UTC June 10, 2017

Status of this Notice

   This notice provides information for the community. Distribution of
   this notice is unlimited.

Copyright

   Copyright (C) AllStarLink, Inc (2017).  All Rights Reserved.
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From tom at tomh.us  Thu Jun  8 19:13:41 2017
From: tom at tomh.us (Tom Hayward)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 12:13:41 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Debian Allstar Linux Image (DIAL) vulnerability
In-Reply-To: <27d2ee9f-cc07-1e99-1008-8e9695697227@bryanfields.net>
References: <27d2ee9f-cc07-1e99-1008-8e9695697227@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <CAFXO5Z0ysph7hxrhONFN3+xTHrGdcwh1QaCwfuWHnAF66E+E_Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
>         A critical vulnerability has been found in DIAL permitting a remote
>         attacker log into the node and gain local user shell.
>
>         This vulnerability exists because the DIAL default install has a
>         default user account with a static password.   An attacker could
>         exploit this vulnerability by connecting remotely to a node and
>         logging in by using the credentials for this default user account.

I appreciate the formality of this notice, but this "vulnerability"
isn't exactly a secret. The instructions for reproducing it are FAQ #2
:-)

http://docs.allstarlink.org/drupal/node/170

Hopefully it is now obvious to everyone that this password should be
changed before deploying the node.

I wonder if it might be best to disable password login in ssh by
default. The user could place their key on the filesystem after
netinstall or flashing the SD card.

Tom KD7LXL


From lorentedford at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 21:29:43 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:29:43 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwoLckZfWDwBj_7nLSWPLhZyYsTTf1uB0JDCUR_ON7---Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4RvbL8tA_me8ZnmgRWZ1fgMC3A7yp0=tpGhV56f2V-s_YdZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Well then I suppose it's a good thing that I rent the whole rack server
lol.. I am my own web email host provider.. As far as my idea I have been
doing some reading on installing aptitude in Centos.. I use Nethserver for
my web email and vpn solutions so I am going to start up another vps with
neth 6.8 or 7 and see what happens..

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Phone: 618-553-0806
Fax: 16185512755
http://www.lorentedford.com
http://kc9zhv.com

Sent from Droid Turbo from Verizon wireless network

On Jun 8, 2017 9:04 AM, "Pierre Martel" <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not all hosting site permit the installation of kernel module like Dahdi,
> si check  with then before going further.
> Le jeu. 8 juin 2017 ? 08:30, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> Hey Loren, I didn't see to many apt-get(s) in the script folders. A
>> couple of files where apt-get installs. Didn't look too bad.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks, David
>>
>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> David actually what i was referring to was going through and finding the
>>> packages for yum instead of apt-get.. I was considering downsizing one of
>>> my nodes out at the data center.. That's why i was asking if anyone has
>>> converted this to centos 7 yet.. I will try and see if i get enough time to
>>> play with it and see if i can find equivalent packages to make allstarlink
>>> work in centos 7 but no promises..
>>>
>>> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
>>> Phone:618-553-0806 <(618)%20553-0806>
>>> Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <(618)%20551-2755>
>>> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
>>> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
>>> http://www.lorentedford.com
>>> http://www.kc9zhv.com
>>> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
>>> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
>>> http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
>>> http://voipham.com
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:44 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So it wouldn't install on OpenVM. I can't find the kernel headers. I'll
>>>> check with the hosting site.. I loaded Debian 7.0 i386..
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>
>>>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>>>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>>>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>>>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>>>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:28 PM, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Jim, I should have known. I wasn't thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>>
>>>>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>>>>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>>>>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>>>>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>>>>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>>>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Jim Nessen <nessenj at jimsoffice.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian
>>>>>> box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim, K6JWN
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on
>>>>>> behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
>>>>>> To: APP RPT
>>>>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud
>>>>>> base VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>>> KE6UPI
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From mhebert1975 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 03:20:40 2017
From: mhebert1975 at gmail.com (Michael Hebert)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 22:20:40 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Pi Zero W simplex Node
Message-ID: <CANQAhPHLJ+dM3T9O8ouBnAP+VMD8znoM4Vmpo=eAY30TEn072A@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone run 1 simplex node on a Pi Zero W?

Michael KD5DFB
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From Benjamin at Project23D.com  Sat Jun 10 03:58:02 2017
From: Benjamin at Project23D.com (Benjamin Naber)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 23:58:02 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Asterisk AJAM
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR1301MB1885F009819199C8E436650BD9C80@MWHPR1301MB1885.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAH4RvbL8tA_me8ZnmgRWZ1fgMC3A7yp0=tpGhV56f2V-s_YdZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <MWHPR1301MB1885F009819199C8E436650BD9C80@MWHPR1301MB1885.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1497067082.6635.11.camel@Project23D.com>

Howdy!

The HDD in my asterisk VoIP phone system just took a dive, and I have
begun to explore methods that were sought out by W9SH, and his
allstarlink implementation of XIPAR.

Unfortunately, his project is now known to be defunct, and is on CentOS
6.

Has anyone changed their AllStarLink DIAL system to have some of the
features, such as AJAM?

I used FreePBX in the past, so I am considering different methods of
implementation of re-compiling an older version of FreePBX with matching
Asterisk version used with DIAL with app_rpt and chan_simpleusb, (and
others)
or,
just re-compiling asterisk on the current DIAL machine with other
modules enabled, such as AJAM, and supporting config files.

I am aware that I will have to do some serious editing as both AJAM and
FreePBX modify the standard conf files, as any hand editing must be done
in such files ./custom/IAX.conf, ./custom/extensions.conf, and so on.

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ



From Benjamin at Project23D.com  Sat Jun 10 03:59:03 2017
From: Benjamin at Project23D.com (Benjamin Naber)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 23:59:03 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR1301MB1885F009819199C8E436650BD9C80@MWHPR1301MB1885.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAH4RvbL8tA_me8ZnmgRWZ1fgMC3A7yp0=tpGhV56f2V-s_YdZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <MWHPR1301MB1885F009819199C8E436650BD9C80@MWHPR1301MB1885.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1497067143.6635.12.camel@Project23D.com>

I am very happy to see this!!

Thanks to all who made this happen!!

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ


On Wed, 2017-06-07 at 23:25 +0000, Jim Nessen wrote:
> May want to start here https://github.com/AllStarLink/DIAL
> 
> Looks like it provides a script to install onto an existing Debian box.
> 
> Jim, K6JWN
> ________________________________________
> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of David KE6UPI <dshaw at ke6upi.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:16 PM
> To: APP RPT
> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Install scripts
> 
> Hello, I'm looking for install scripts for Debian. I'm using a cloud base VM server and wanted to see if I can in Dial RC1 on it.
> 
> Thanks, David
> KE6UPI
> _______________________________________________
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From tisawyer at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 13:50:10 2017
From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 06:50:10 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Asterisk AJAM
In-Reply-To: <1497067082.6635.11.camel@Project23D.com>
References: <CAH4RvbL8tA_me8ZnmgRWZ1fgMC3A7yp0=tpGhV56f2V-s_YdZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <MWHPR1301MB1885F009819199C8E436650BD9C80@MWHPR1301MB1885.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <1497067082.6635.11.camel@Project23D.com>
Message-ID: <CAG3ht9u5ucQfskrhsiPjtb8WF2_XaQfS=ycMVPLrP8oMKDNqSA@mail.gmail.com>

Have you seen Allmon? https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 It uses the AMI to
provide a web interface to common repeater control and linking functions.
Perhaps you could add the telephone features you need. Attached screen
capture to show what it looks like.


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Benjamin Naber <Benjamin at project23d.com>
wrote:

> Howdy!
>
> The HDD in my asterisk VoIP phone system just took a dive, and I have
> begun to explore methods that were sought out by W9SH, and his
> allstarlink implementation of XIPAR.
>
> Unfortunately, his project is now known to be defunct, and is on CentOS
> 6.
>
> Has anyone changed their AllStarLink DIAL system to have some of the
> features, such as AJAM?
>
> I used FreePBX in the past, so I am considering different methods of
> implementation of re-compiling an older version of FreePBX with matching
> Asterisk version used with DIAL with app_rpt and chan_simpleusb, (and
> others)
> or,
> just re-compiling asterisk on the current DIAL machine with other
> modules enabled, such as AJAM, and supporting config files.
>
> I am aware that I will have to do some serious editing as both AJAM and
> FreePBX modify the standard conf files, as any hand editing must be done
> in such files ./custom/IAX.conf, ./custom/extensions.conf, and so on.
>
> ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
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-- 
--
Tim
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From Benjamin at Project23D.com  Sat Jun 10 18:36:02 2017
From: Benjamin at Project23D.com (Benjamin Naber)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 14:36:02 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Asterisk AJAM
In-Reply-To: <CAG3ht9u5ucQfskrhsiPjtb8WF2_XaQfS=ycMVPLrP8oMKDNqSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH4RvbL8tA_me8ZnmgRWZ1fgMC3A7yp0=tpGhV56f2V-s_YdZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1497119762.6635.16.camel@Project23D.com>

Tim, et al;

I've seen that, and Supermon. Given Supermon is written with PHP,
knowledge of which I do not possess. Also, no sense in re-inventing the
wheel when a webUI already exists.

Any other experiences on this subject?

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ


On Sat, 2017-06-10 at 06:50 -0700, Tim Sawyer wrote:
> Have you seen Allmon? https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 It uses the
> AMI to provide a web interface to common repeater control and linking
> functions. Perhaps you could add the telephone features you need.
> Attached screen capture to show what it looks like. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Benjamin Naber
> <Benjamin at project23d.com> wrote:
>         Howdy!
>         
>         The HDD in my asterisk VoIP phone system just took a dive, and
>         I have
>         begun to explore methods that were sought out by W9SH, and his
>         allstarlink implementation of XIPAR.
>         
>         Unfortunately, his project is now known to be defunct, and is
>         on CentOS
>         6.
>         
>         Has anyone changed their AllStarLink DIAL system to have some
>         of the
>         features, such as AJAM?
>         
>         I used FreePBX in the past, so I am considering different
>         methods of
>         implementation of re-compiling an older version of FreePBX
>         with matching
>         Asterisk version used with DIAL with app_rpt and
>         chan_simpleusb, (and
>         others)
>         or,
>         just re-compiling asterisk on the current DIAL machine with
>         other
>         modules enabled, such as AJAM, and supporting config files.
>         
>         I am aware that I will have to do some serious editing as both
>         AJAM and
>         FreePBX modify the standard conf files, as any hand editing
>         must be done
>         in such files ./custom/IAX.conf, ./custom/extensions.conf, and
>         so on.
>         
>         ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         App_rpt-users mailing list
>         App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>         http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>         
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>         email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please
>         send a message to the list detailing the problem. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> --
> 
> Tim
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From zl1bhd at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 20:55:16 2017
From: zl1bhd at gmail.com (Steve Wright)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:55:16 +1200
Subject: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 100, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <mailman.589.1496886919.5828.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
References: <mailman.589.1496886919.5828.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
Message-ID: <CAHxJrt0_a8CPSpZg1NcVEvFkTHKO4gkDokXif3hXFLooRJwCEg@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> From: Barry Buelow <iabarryyy at gmail.com>
> To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Anyone doing HF remote base using hamlib?
>
> I'd be interested in asking some questions off-list.
>

I would have liked to read these responses.

Steve
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From Ramesh at va3uv.com  Wed Jun 14 02:08:26 2017
From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 22:08:26 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] radio tune rxnoise
Message-ID: <b7bf4fc6-1329-5f6d-9d64-b77fa1b8bd53@va3uv.com>

Hi Guys:

One of my repeaters, using usbradio, is failing 'radio tune rxnoise'.

The raw discrim' output from the Bridgecom BCM220 RX is 100mV pk-pk.  In 
usbradio.conf, I have rxboost set to 1 (20dB attenuator removed).

The symptom that I am seeing (or hearing) is that the repeater has a 
hard time distinguishing a weak / noisy signal from "noise".

This is what I see in the asterisk CLI when attempting a 'radio tune 
rxnoise'

tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=27000, tolerance=2750
tries=0, setting=2, meas=32767
tries=1, setting=2, meas=32767
tries=2, setting=2, meas=32767
tries=3, setting=2, meas=32767
tries=4, setting=1, meas=32767
tries=5, setting=1, meas=32767
tries=6, setting=1, meas=32767
tries=7, setting=1, meas=32767
tries=8, setting=1, meas=32767
tries=9, setting=1, meas=32767
tries=10, setting=1, meas=32767
tries=11, setting=1, meas=32767
DONE tries=12, setting=63, meas=32767, sqnoise=24631
ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.


Unless I am mistaken the above seems to suggest that the ADC is 
saturated, meaning too much signal??

I can try to set rxboost to 0 - but of course, this will mess up my 
rxvoice calibration (assuming that the rxnoise passes).  Is there a 
mathematical operation I can apply to the rxvoice setting in the 
radio_tune file to compensate for the 20dB attenuation? (the repeater is 
at a remote location, which I will not be returning to for another 2 
weeks or so).

My usbradio_tune file currently shows:

[usb_2424]
; name=usb_2424
; devicenum=2
devstr=1-1.3:1.0
rxmixerset=125
txmixaset=70
txmixbset=300
rxvoiceadj=0.316923
rxctcssadj=0.227263
txctcssadj=300
rxsquelchadj=400
fever=1

Cheers!

Ramesh.



From Benjamin at Project23D.com  Wed Jun 14 15:56:43 2017
From: Benjamin at Project23D.com (Benjamin Naber)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 11:56:43 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] radio tune rxnoise
In-Reply-To: <b7bf4fc6-1329-5f6d-9d64-b77fa1b8bd53@va3uv.com>
References: <b7bf4fc6-1329-5f6d-9d64-b77fa1b8bd53@va3uv.com>
Message-ID: <1497455803.6635.52.camel@Project23D.com>

The RX audio being fed into your allstarlink node URI is too loud.

The target for RX noise is 27000, whereas your levels were a continuous
32767..... which is rather odd as each measurement is exactly the same.

Curious, why are you using DSP for valid RX signal detection? The
BridgeCom repeater has a COR/COS/CAS/whatever output for when a valid RX
signal is present.

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ

On Tue, 2017-06-13 at 22:08 -0400, Ramesh Dhami wrote:
> Hi Guys:
> 
> One of my repeaters, using usbradio, is failing 'radio tune rxnoise'.
> 
> The raw discrim' output from the Bridgecom BCM220 RX is 100mV pk-pk.  In 
> usbradio.conf, I have rxboost set to 1 (20dB attenuator removed).
> 
> The symptom that I am seeing (or hearing) is that the repeater has a 
> hard time distinguishing a weak / noisy signal from "noise".
> 
> This is what I see in the asterisk CLI when attempting a 'radio tune 
> rxnoise'
> 
> tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=27000, tolerance=2750
> tries=0, setting=2, meas=32767
> tries=1, setting=2, meas=32767
> tries=2, setting=2, meas=32767
> tries=3, setting=2, meas=32767
> tries=4, setting=1, meas=32767
> tries=5, setting=1, meas=32767
> tries=6, setting=1, meas=32767
> tries=7, setting=1, meas=32767
> tries=8, setting=1, meas=32767
> tries=9, setting=1, meas=32767
> tries=10, setting=1, meas=32767
> tries=11, setting=1, meas=32767
> DONE tries=12, setting=63, meas=32767, sqnoise=24631
> ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.
> 
> 
> Unless I am mistaken the above seems to suggest that the ADC is 
> saturated, meaning too much signal??
> 
> I can try to set rxboost to 0 - but of course, this will mess up my 
> rxvoice calibration (assuming that the rxnoise passes).  Is there a 
> mathematical operation I can apply to the rxvoice setting in the 
> radio_tune file to compensate for the 20dB attenuation? (the repeater is 
> at a remote location, which I will not be returning to for another 2 
> weeks or so).
> 
> My usbradio_tune file currently shows:
> 
> [usb_2424]
> ; name=usb_2424
> ; devicenum=2
> devstr=1-1.3:1.0
> rxmixerset=125
> txmixaset=70
> txmixbset=300
> rxvoiceadj=0.316923
> rxctcssadj=0.227263
> txctcssadj=300
> rxsquelchadj=400
> fever=1
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Ramesh.
> 
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From selkie2 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 14 16:03:56 2017
From: selkie2 at comcast.net (DuaneVT .)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:03:56 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
Message-ID: <CABhxdJ=t+GDv0405gS8qPyJDj-+EtpQ1iuvdyYRoiK5LXCm0xg@mail.gmail.com>

Our node is offline currently due to an exploit attack. Our network
administrator shows heavy traffic out on port 2222 among others. We don't
use this port.
So reload the new image.
For future reloads, how best to reconstruct the local changes done to the
original image to carry over the custom config files?
73,
Duane KA1LM
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From szingman at msgstor.com  Wed Jun 14 16:07:25 2017
From: szingman at msgstor.com (Steve Zingman)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:07:25 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
In-Reply-To: <CABhxdJ=t+GDv0405gS8qPyJDj-+EtpQ1iuvdyYRoiK5LXCm0xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABhxdJ=t+GDv0405gS8qPyJDj-+EtpQ1iuvdyYRoiK5LXCm0xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54fbd3ff-06ab-53d8-7aea-35a45c4ecbb4@msgstor.com>

Best to zip up the /etc/asterisk directory.
The RC1 version disabled the exploited login.

Steve

On 6/14/2017 12:03 PM, DuaneVT . wrote:
> Our node is offline currently due to an exploit attack. Our network 
> administrator shows heavy traffic out on port 2222 among others. We 
> don't use this port.
> So reload the new image.
> For future reloads, how best to reconstruct the local changes done to 
> the original image to carry over the custom config files?
> 73,
> Duane KA1LM
>
>
>
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From haydenph91 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 00:43:25 2017
From: haydenph91 at gmail.com (Hayden Honeywood)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:43:25 +1000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Simulcast coverage plotting
Message-ID: <CAC0VLD1pC2=GiAxoCS=mc4TTBXXEmEDknhb0-VGdwADmbaU8-A@mail.gmail.com>

Jim posted a while back -
http://lists.allstarlink.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/2013-September/008322.html

About plotting simulcast plots using Splat!. This is the only post I can
see about this. Looking in the svn, I can see the simul.c file and various
READMES and docos, but no real information on how to compile Splat! for
this functionality. I'm also not a Linux buff, but I had a quick go at
compiling and I got errors on a test Debian machine I had.

Has anyone gotten this working, or do you use an alternate like Radio
Mobile? I've used Radio Mobile's online plotter, but this doesn't include
simulcast support.

http://radiomobile.pe1mew.nl/?How_to:Combined_Cartesian:Simulcast&q=simulcast
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From shawpbx at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 01:53:06 2017
From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 18:53:06 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Simulcast coverage plotting
In-Reply-To: <CAC0VLD1pC2=GiAxoCS=mc4TTBXXEmEDknhb0-VGdwADmbaU8-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC0VLD1pC2=GiAxoCS=mc4TTBXXEmEDknhb0-VGdwADmbaU8-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4RvbKP5jzz=_yjBqPRBE57cd+Ke6tVUgnnwG2rVdPiwjBvQg@mail.gmail.com>

Jim said that it used to much CPU. He then started to use radio mobile. I
don't know if he ever finished it.

David

On Jun 14, 2017 5:43 PM, "Hayden Honeywood" <haydenph91 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jim posted a while back -
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/2013-
> September/008322.html
>
> About plotting simulcast plots using Splat!. This is the only post I can
> see about this. Looking in the svn, I can see the simul.c file and various
> READMES and docos, but no real information on how to compile Splat! for
> this functionality. I'm also not a Linux buff, but I had a quick go at
> compiling and I got errors on a test Debian machine I had.
>
> Has anyone gotten this working, or do you use an alternate like Radio
> Mobile? I've used Radio Mobile's online plotter, but this doesn't include
> simulcast support.
>
> http://radiomobile.pe1mew.nl/?How_to:Combined_Cartesian:
> Simulcast&q=simulcast
>
>
>
>
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From Benjamin at Project23D.com  Thu Jun 15 20:18:34 2017
From: Benjamin at Project23D.com (Benjamin Naber)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:18:34 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
In-Reply-To: <CABhxdJ=t+GDv0405gS8qPyJDj-+EtpQ1iuvdyYRoiK5LXCm0xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABhxdJ=t+GDv0405gS8qPyJDj-+EtpQ1iuvdyYRoiK5LXCm0xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1497557914.1433.1.camel@Project23D.com>

What was the exploit attack?

Was the node DMZ'ed, or had more than necessary ports open to it?

Was the standard port, 4569, opened on the WAN into the network?



On Wed, 2017-06-14 at 12:03 -0400, DuaneVT . wrote:
> Our node is offline currently due to an exploit attack. Our network
> administrator shows heavy traffic out on port 2222 among others. We
> don't use this port.
> So reload the new image.
> For future reloads, how best to reconstruct the local changes done to
> the original image to carry over the custom config files?
> 73,
> Duane KA1LM
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jerutley at gmail.com  Fri Jun 16 03:22:15 2017
From: jerutley at gmail.com (Jeremy Utley)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 22:22:15 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
In-Reply-To: <1497557914.1433.1.camel@Project23D.com>
References: <CABhxdJ=t+GDv0405gS8qPyJDj-+EtpQ1iuvdyYRoiK5LXCm0xg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1497557914.1433.1.camel@Project23D.com>
Message-ID: <028b01d2e64f$c1277880$43766980$@gmail.com>

Port 4569 has to be open to the world for inbound link connections, but unless you're also running Echolink, that's the only port that needs to be open to the world.  My own nodes now sit behind a NAT gateway that only forwards 4569 back.  The NAT gateway also serves as an OpenVPN endpoint which I connect to from home to allow SSH administration of the node.

Most likely, I would suspect it's an older install without the "debian" or "pi" user secured, and they logged into the node that way.

I need to finish my HowTo on how to properly provide security to an AllStar node that's exposed to the internet.  If at all possible, people should put their nodes behind something like a PFSense firewall box, or at least behind some kind of NAT router, with only the necessary port 4569 forwarded back to the machine.

Jeremy, NQ0M

-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin Naber
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 3:19 PM
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack

What was the exploit attack?

Was the node DMZ'ed, or had more than necessary ports open to it?

Was the standard port, 4569, opened on the WAN into the network?



On Wed, 2017-06-14 at 12:03 -0400, DuaneVT . wrote:
> Our node is offline currently due to an exploit attack. Our network 
> administrator shows heavy traffic out on port 2222 among others. We 
> don't use this port.
> So reload the new image.
> For future reloads, how best to reconstruct the local changes done to 
> the original image to carry over the custom config files?
> 73,
> Duane KA1LM
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Fri Jun 16 03:42:14 2017
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 23:42:14 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
In-Reply-To: <028b01d2e64f$c1277880$43766980$@gmail.com>
References: <CABhxdJ=t+GDv0405gS8qPyJDj-+EtpQ1iuvdyYRoiK5LXCm0xg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1497557914.1433.1.camel@Project23D.com>
 <028b01d2e64f$c1277880$43766980$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ba8977d-cf70-c984-ecfb-10ab09308793@bryanfields.net>

On 6/15/17 11:22 PM, Jeremy Utley wrote:
> Most likely, I would suspect it's an older install without the "debian" or
> "pi" user secured, and they logged into the node that way.

Bingo.

Tim documented this on the docs site, but many (most) people forgot to secure
it/didn't read the docs.

There is now a allstarlinux "hack" in a popular hacking/scanning toolkit.  The
more blackhat toolkits automate scanning/hacking this.  44/8 has seen a bunch
of traffic for this.

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From selkie2 at comcast.net  Fri Jun 16 12:56:24 2017
From: selkie2 at comcast.net (DuaneVT .)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 08:56:24 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
Message-ID: <CABhxdJ==PhKxPn3yjfiU=G5q2zm0BGDQwtiJo_SbD069uTWmqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good to know about RC1. I had months ago disabled access to root via ssh.
Even I have to ssh in as SU with a password. I was wondering if this
exploit hack was seen by others, just a heads-up.
Duane KA1LM
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From selkie2 at comcast.net  Fri Jun 16 13:06:19 2017
From: selkie2 at comcast.net (DuaneVT .)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:06:19 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL update restore configs question
Message-ID: <CABhxdJmpBz=vgsh+hHqk_hP-V3QBBX_jxfwij+N4+pgPOF7maw@mail.gmail.com>

I have copied my entire /etc/asterisk folder. When I re-image the hard
drive, how best to restore the custom conf files..
The question is how best to maintain configs for a possible re-image.
There is a "include custom" statement at the bottom of most conf files.
Exactly what is expected as a custom conf? The entire config, but with user
changes? Does the template conf run and then the exact same customized conf
file? This has not been explained in much detail.

I COULD copy the ENTIRE SD contents after any ssh change, but that MIGHT
also capture any hacked-but-dormant changes.

More experienced administrator comments are appreciated.
73,
Duane KA1LM
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Fri Jun 16 13:46:42 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 08:46:42 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL update restore configs question
In-Reply-To: <CABhxdJmpBz=vgsh+hHqk_hP-V3QBBX_jxfwij+N4+pgPOF7maw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABhxdJmpBz=vgsh+hHqk_hP-V3QBBX_jxfwij+N4+pgPOF7maw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK=eTyhLnrhjxCFA8K__Y6B_drBGo=cAaQE35PS0zR4dUDa-Eg@mail.gmail.com>

Typically when i come across a machine that I believe has been compromised
the first thing i do is remove it from the network completely.. If possible
i boot it up in finnex or a similar utility tool and then i run clam av via
command line after mounting the drives manually.. Next i personally only
grab files that are of text nature and to ensure that nothing else maybe
attached i use the cat command to display the text of example conf files
and then copy and past them into an editor of your choice.. Personally i
use Notepad ++ on my windows machine for each one of the files re saving
them on my machine.. If I was to guess you were probably root kitted this
is common these days however its usually difficult to find the root kits
while in the os.. Tools like Finnex are nice because your no longer in that
os and generally speaking can search hidden files a little easier.. Still
not going to be fun.. What i would recommend in the future is to setup your
node the way you want it then clonezilla it or reimage it and store it in a
safe spot.. This way if you run into this issue in the future your back up
and running in short order..  Just my 2 cents..

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 8:06 AM, DuaneVT . <selkie2 at comcast.net> wrote:

> I have copied my entire /etc/asterisk folder. When I re-image the hard
> drive, how best to restore the custom conf files..
> The question is how best to maintain configs for a possible re-image.
> There is a "include custom" statement at the bottom of most conf files.
> Exactly what is expected as a custom conf? The entire config, but with user
> changes? Does the template conf run and then the exact same customized conf
> file? This has not been explained in much detail.
>
> I COULD copy the ENTIRE SD contents after any ssh change, but that MIGHT
> also capture any hacked-but-dormant changes.
>
> More experienced administrator comments are appreciated.
> 73,
> Duane KA1LM
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bdboyle at bdboyle.com  Fri Jun 16 14:33:35 2017
From: bdboyle at bdboyle.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:33:35 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
In-Reply-To: <CABhxdJ==PhKxPn3yjfiU=G5q2zm0BGDQwtiJo_SbD069uTWmqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABhxdJ==PhKxPn3yjfiU=G5q2zm0BGDQwtiJo_SbD069uTWmqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4577af41-162b-3de9-c463-130032aee637@bdboyle.com>

On 6/16/2017 8:56 AM, DuaneVT . wrote:
> Good to know about RC1. I had months ago disabled access to root via 
> ssh. Even I have to ssh in as SU with a password. I was wondering if 
> this exploit hack was seen by others, just a heads-up.
> Duane KA1LM

ANY port that you have open to the outside world is going to add to the 
risk you enjoy (!) from being connected to the network.  There are 
well-known ports; in the U/Lin-UX world, the goldmine ports (ie those 
which are reserved to the root group, are those port #s < 1024...and 
once you have root, all bets are off as to what you can do.

That many people have their routers set up to automagically establish 
persistent connections when any outbound traffic port is opened, this 
means that if your machine is pwned and a rogue daemon sets up a channel 
to a command and control system, YOUR machine is part of a 
botnet...doing who knows what.

In 7 years of running an asterisk box, I have NEVER had a reason, while 
away from the site, of having to log in to do something.  Now, it may be 
different if your box is on a mountain top and inaccessible for 4 months 
of the year...but, my rule is, if you can drive there, then I don't 
enable shell access from the outside.  I turn off, on my router, PnP.  I 
deny ANY to ANY inbound connections as the default ACL.  My boxes have 
static IPs on the inside of a NAT, and ports are routed to specific 
host/ports.  Fail2ban is running, and, as a luxury, my logs are NOT 
stored on the machines that ARE accessible; the first thing that a 
miscreant is going to do is try and erase system log entries of what 
they've done.

So...how to do those things that you have to do administratively? Think 
belt and suspenders.

One of the nice things about asterisk is that you can script almost 
anything both inside the application as well as the operating system to 
respond to DTMF.  Now, I realize that not everyone has this ability, 
but, being all my boxes are accessible via the net in some manner...I 
have a receive-only node on an oddball frequency in a second location 
locally, which also has an echolink node assigned...and have scripted 
the admin functions *I* use on a regular basis.  Things like reboot the 
box...restart asterisk...even down to connect and disconnect nodes (ie 
command *node#3 or *node#1 to connect or disconnect node#), etc.

Add in the fact that you can have control over the GPIO pins on the DMK 
and RIM URIs, and you can even do relay-driven (I like electromechanical 
stuff) things: turn on fans, turn off fans, turn on power, turn off 
power...the possibilities are endless, if you think through just what it 
is that you need to when you supposedly have to log in via a shell.  
Haven't quite worked out how to mount a cdrom that has a clonezilla 
image of a fresh box to restore a system from a DTMF command...but, I'm 
sure with some hacking, even that could be done to remotely restore a 
system that HAS been trashed.

In my opinion, we have to get away from thinking that we need to have 
terminal access to what is (or should be) essentially an appliance that 
controls radios.  And, no, I'm not thinking that a web interface is 
necessarily the way to go either.


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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Fri Jun 16 14:41:23 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:41:23 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
In-Reply-To: <4577af41-162b-3de9-c463-130032aee637@bdboyle.com>
References: <CABhxdJ==PhKxPn3yjfiU=G5q2zm0BGDQwtiJo_SbD069uTWmqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4577af41-162b-3de9-c463-130032aee637@bdboyle.com>
Message-ID: <CAK=eTygtuyAiqwmCYdsi6myn0JbUhDM4rGz51NcWPV1p5GbRuA@mail.gmail.com>

Bryan you can run a DD command on a backup hard drive where you store your
images to flash your running drive.. Typically speaking most of your os is
in the memory so you won't affect much until the reboot.. Better hope you
setup the boot manger correctly but it can be done via dtmf and shell
script if you really wanted to. Its the same principle as doing a rm -r /
command.. But yes this can be technically done via dtmf however i don't
recommend it.. #I<3Shellscripts

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
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On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle at bdboyle.com> wrote:

> On 6/16/2017 8:56 AM, DuaneVT . wrote:
>
> Good to know about RC1. I had months ago disabled access to root via ssh.
> Even I have to ssh in as SU with a password. I was wondering if this
> exploit hack was seen by others, just a heads-up.
> Duane KA1LM
>
>
> ANY port that you have open to the outside world is going to add to the
> risk you enjoy (!) from being connected to the network.  There are
> well-known ports; in the U/Lin-UX world, the goldmine ports (ie those which
> are reserved to the root group, are those port #s < 1024...and once you
> have root, all bets are off as to what you can do.
>
> That many people have their routers set up to automagically establish
> persistent connections when any outbound traffic port is opened, this means
> that if your machine is pwned and a rogue daemon sets up a channel to a
> command and control system, YOUR machine is part of a botnet...doing who
> knows what.
>
> In 7 years of running an asterisk box, I have NEVER had a reason, while
> away from the site, of having to log in to do something.  Now, it may be
> different if your box is on a mountain top and inaccessible for 4 months of
> the year...but, my rule is, if you can drive there, then I don't enable
> shell access from the outside.  I turn off, on my router, PnP.  I deny ANY
> to ANY inbound connections as the default ACL.  My boxes have static IPs on
> the inside of a NAT, and ports are routed to specific host/ports.  Fail2ban
> is running, and, as a luxury, my logs are NOT stored on the machines that
> ARE accessible; the first thing that a miscreant is going to do is try and
> erase system log entries of what they've done.
>
> So...how to do those things that you have to do administratively?  Think
> belt and suspenders.
>
> One of the nice things about asterisk is that you can script almost
> anything both inside the application as well as the operating system to
> respond to DTMF.  Now, I realize that not everyone has this ability, but,
> being all my boxes are accessible via the net in some manner...I have a
> receive-only node on an oddball frequency in a second location locally,
> which also has an echolink node assigned...and have scripted the admin
> functions *I* use on a regular basis.  Things like reboot the box...restart
> asterisk...even down to connect and disconnect nodes (ie command *node#3 or
> *node#1 to connect or disconnect node#), etc.
>
> Add in the fact that you can have control over the GPIO pins on the DMK
> and RIM URIs, and you can even do relay-driven (I like electromechanical
> stuff) things: turn on fans, turn off fans, turn on power, turn off
> power...the possibilities are endless, if you think through just what it is
> that you need to when you supposedly have to log in via a shell.  Haven't
> quite worked out how to mount a cdrom that has a clonezilla image of a
> fresh box to restore a system from a DTMF command...but, I'm sure with some
> hacking, even that could be done to remotely restore a system that HAS been
> trashed.
>
> In my opinion, we have to get away from thinking that we need to have
> terminal access to what is (or should be) essentially an appliance that
> controls radios.  And, no, I'm not thinking that a web interface is
> necessarily the way to go either.
>
>
>
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From selkie2 at comcast.net  Fri Jun 16 15:47:38 2017
From: selkie2 at comcast.net (DuaneVT .)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:47:38 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
Message-ID: <CABhxdJmhj3bZ6T4DOprFtXymG01DRDT_giHKYxq+_GZtjKv3LQ@mail.gmail.com>

The node is on an academic "guest" network. Open outgoing, firewalled in.
The default use/password was removed several months ago. No access to root
now. Ports are just those needed for Echolink and ssh.
Duane KA1LM
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Fri Jun 16 15:53:59 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:53:59 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
In-Reply-To: <CABhxdJmhj3bZ6T4DOprFtXymG01DRDT_giHKYxq+_GZtjKv3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABhxdJmhj3bZ6T4DOprFtXymG01DRDT_giHKYxq+_GZtjKv3LQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK=eTygGvZJCWo8wXU_DNxBtZrQ8Jg4Li3kV-PiO3SqDD+KNMA@mail.gmail.com>

Now Duane I don't know exactly what type of system or router you have but
after you get things setup you might want to limit the node to only 20 Mbps
both ways.. This will help in the future if you get infected and won't
cripple your network completely depending one what type of internet speeds
you have from your isp (Internet Service Provider).. I know in the Data
Center world i just limit the band width in Proxmox.. Makes things really
easy..

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
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http://voipham.com

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:47 AM, DuaneVT . <selkie2 at comcast.net> wrote:

> The node is on an academic "guest" network. Open outgoing, firewalled in.
> The default use/password was removed several months ago. No access to root
> now. Ports are just those needed for Echolink and ssh.
> Duane KA1LM
>
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From electricity440 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 17 04:34:14 2017
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 22:34:14 -0600
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Audio Sputtering Vs. Unreasonable Delay
Message-ID: <CAJNyT08ZSx2zBOAE9ru+mzuRFJ96wqDHhbNATqo-9=yMtV24pg@mail.gmail.com>

Relavant For Raspberry Pi , dont recall the issue on other hardware, but
potentially is.

The only choices are usbradio or simpleusb so far. I'm being pretty pretty
picky, but I think its an important manner to discuss.

With usbradio, the audio sputters and sometimes gets pretty bad. It never
breaks up enough to loose what someone is saying, but definitely could use
some improvement. It doesen't seem to be affected weather I use dsp or
usb/usbinvert from the carrierfrom parameter.

Wth simpleusb, the audio repeat delay is not consistent. Sometimes I will
get a nice and good 0.25 second delay, but other times it will go all the
way up to 1.5 seconds. This varies and I have not been able to control
this, really annoying to hear not just the last syllable but my entire
callsign when I unkey the repeater.

Any solution to eliminate both problems??

And I know I am being really picky, but the more I hear it, the more
noticeable it gets and starts to get a little annoying.

Thanks,
Skyler
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From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 17 05:28:40 2017
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 22:28:40 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Audio Sputtering Vs. Unreasonable Delay
In-Reply-To: <CAJNyT08ZSx2zBOAE9ru+mzuRFJ96wqDHhbNATqo-9=yMtV24pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJNyT08ZSx2zBOAE9ru+mzuRFJ96wqDHhbNATqo-9=yMtV24pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9136B4DB-07E7-4299-B74D-E3BA39AE8D31@gmail.com>

Never liked the simpleusb delay, but use usbradio on RPi, dsp, disabled all unused services, and no audio sputtering. I've not had your experience. Curious.

Thanks,
Bob
k6ecm
73

Sent from iPad


> On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:34 PM, Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Relavant For Raspberry Pi , dont recall the issue on other hardware, but potentially is.
> 
> The only choices are usbradio or simpleusb so far. I'm being pretty pretty picky, but I think its an important manner to discuss. 
> 
> With usbradio, the audio sputters and sometimes gets pretty bad. It never breaks up enough to loose what someone is saying, but definitely could use some improvement. It doesen't seem to be affected weather I use dsp or usb/usbinvert from the carrierfrom parameter. 
> 
> Wth simpleusb, the audio repeat delay is not consistent. Sometimes I will get a nice and good 0.25 second delay, but other times it will go all the way up to 1.5 seconds. This varies and I have not been able to control this, really annoying to hear not just the last syllable but my entire callsign when I unkey the repeater. 
> 
> Any solution to eliminate both problems?? 
> 
> And I know I am being really picky, but the more I hear it, the more noticeable it gets and starts to get a little annoying.
>  
> Thanks,
> Skyler
> 
> 
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From selkie2 at comcast.net  Sat Jun 17 20:19:08 2017
From: selkie2 at comcast.net (DuaneVT .)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:19:08 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
Message-ID: <CABhxdJk6_fycPXyK=vSngtHftZ9SSZVkvsXr97ZOz9Md1dcecA@mail.gmail.com>

The node is on a "Guest" server on a University firewalled network. They
punch incoming holes to us for only 222 ssh. We have disabled root access
and have to SU with user and password to modify files.
Duane KA1LM
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From Benjamin at Project23D.com  Sat Jun 17 20:36:17 2017
From: Benjamin at Project23D.com (Benjamin Naber)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:36:17 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
In-Reply-To: <CABhxdJk6_fycPXyK=vSngtHftZ9SSZVkvsXr97ZOz9Md1dcecA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABhxdJk6_fycPXyK=vSngtHftZ9SSZVkvsXr97ZOz9Md1dcecA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1497731777.1433.9.camel@Project23D.com>

If you want to have a more secure means, implement SSH keys on the
node(s).

In this manner, the RPi won't so much as send a squawk back unless the
remote user has the correct key to present to the SSH server.

This also prevents (not really stops sharing credentials) the usual
sharing of passwords!

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ



On Sat, 2017-06-17 at 16:19 -0400, DuaneVT . wrote:
> The node is on a "Guest" server on a University firewalled network.
> They punch incoming holes to us for only 222 ssh. We have disabled
> root access and have to SU with user and password to modify files.
> Duane KA1LM
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 04:21:11 2017
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 04:21:11 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] DIAL node hack
In-Reply-To: <4577af41-162b-3de9-c463-130032aee637@bdboyle.com>
References: <CABhxdJ==PhKxPn3yjfiU=G5q2zm0BGDQwtiJo_SbD069uTWmqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4577af41-162b-3de9-c463-130032aee637@bdboyle.com>
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwp5FJeHY05AQF1DOX+v9YawsNW9iUcNRtML1Kfeu6YcVg@mail.gmail.com>

To restore a node to its original state can be done by a simple script and
the script can be called by dtmf, just need some preparation first..

first when your node is as it should be, all configured tested and secur.
do a dd command to dump an image of your system.

to find what you need to dump do first a fdisk -l command. this will list
all the filessystem on the machine. find the disk you want to backup, let
say sda. you wil have a list of all the partition on sda, sda1, sda2... now
take note of the last used sector of the last partition on the disk. add
one to it and take the bs or block size value,usely 512 bites.

now the dd command type dd if=/dev/sda of= /mnt/ what ever the disk you
mounted to back your image/ nodexxxx.img count=(the number of the last used
block on your last partitio plus 1 , we calculate it earlier) bs=the block
size found on the fdisk command usely 512 then it enter.

this will make a file named nodexxxx.img and will be the smaller it can be
since we stop copying the data 1 block after the last used block. you can
then tar and gz it. but I find it not usefull for such utility we do now.

then in the script you call by dtmf make asterisk stop and call the command
dd if=/mnt/where is your backup file/ nodexxxx.img of=/dev/sda

then do a reboot and your node is back as itwas when you  did the first
image..

hope it helped someone..

Pierre
VE2PF




Le ven. 16 juin 2017 ? 10:33, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle at bdboyle.com> a ?crit :

> On 6/16/2017 8:56 AM, DuaneVT . wrote:
>
> Good to know about RC1. I had months ago disabled access to root via ssh.
> Even I have to ssh in as SU with a password. I was wondering if this
> exploit hack was seen by others, just a heads-up.
> Duane KA1LM
>
>
> ANY port that you have open to the outside world is going to add to the
> risk you enjoy (!) from being connected to the network.  There are
> well-known ports; in the U/Lin-UX world, the goldmine ports (ie those which
> are reserved to the root group, are those port #s < 1024...and once you
> have root, all bets are off as to what you can do.
>
> That many people have their routers set up to automagically establish
> persistent connections when any outbound traffic port is opened, this means
> that if your machine is pwned and a rogue daemon sets up a channel to a
> command and control system, YOUR machine is part of a botnet...doing who
> knows what.
>
> In 7 years of running an asterisk box, I have NEVER had a reason, while
> away from the site, of having to log in to do something.  Now, it may be
> different if your box is on a mountain top and inaccessible for 4 months of
> the year...but, my rule is, if you can drive there, then I don't enable
> shell access from the outside.  I turn off, on my router, PnP.  I deny ANY
> to ANY inbound connections as the default ACL.  My boxes have static IPs on
> the inside of a NAT, and ports are routed to specific host/ports.  Fail2ban
> is running, and, as a luxury, my logs are NOT stored on the machines that
> ARE accessible; the first thing that a miscreant is going to do is try and
> erase system log entries of what they've done.
>
> So...how to do those things that you have to do administratively?  Think
> belt and suspenders.
>
> One of the nice things about asterisk is that you can script almost
> anything both inside the application as well as the operating system to
> respond to DTMF.  Now, I realize that not everyone has this ability, but,
> being all my boxes are accessible via the net in some manner...I have a
> receive-only node on an oddball frequency in a second location locally,
> which also has an echolink node assigned...and have scripted the admin
> functions *I* use on a regular basis.  Things like reboot the box...restart
> asterisk...even down to connect and disconnect nodes (ie command *node#3 or
> *node#1 to connect or disconnect node#), etc.
>
> Add in the fact that you can have control over the GPIO pins on the DMK
> and RIM URIs, and you can even do relay-driven (I like electromechanical
> stuff) things: turn on fans, turn off fans, turn on power, turn off
> power...the possibilities are endless, if you think through just what it is
> that you need to when you supposedly have to log in via a shell.  Haven't
> quite worked out how to mount a cdrom that has a clonezilla image of a
> fresh box to restore a system from a DTMF command...but, I'm sure with some
> hacking, even that could be done to remotely restore a system that HAS been
> trashed.
>
> In my opinion, we have to get away from thinking that we need to have
> terminal access to what is (or should be) essentially an appliance that
> controls radios.  And, no, I'm not thinking that a web interface is
> necessarily the way to go either.
>
>
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From Benjamin at Project23D.com  Wed Jun 21 12:44:55 2017
From: Benjamin at Project23D.com (Benjamin Naber)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:44:55 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] TK-820 Config Question
In-Reply-To: <CAKA-DjxB7xeR3jHihRyaOX1V2r_nUQPYOzMXss7wYUvCpvw+zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKA-DjxB7xeR3jHihRyaOX1V2r_nUQPYOzMXss7wYUvCpvw+zg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1498049095.2157.16.camel@Project23D.com>

Scott,

I have a TKR-820 using a RA-35...

The info and symptoms your provided are kinda vague, please expand:

- what is NOT happening that should be
or
- what is happening that should not be

AND
 - what connections from the URI are going where to the repeater?

AND
- What are your settings for simpleUSB.conf?

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ


On Fri, 2017-05-19 at 18:02 +0000, Scott Westerman wrote:
> My setup is a Raspberry Pi 3, URIx (no eprom) and a Kenwood TK-820.
> I'm getting good audio out when I use iaxrpt, the IDs and times
> transmit fine, but inbound rf signals to the repeater can't be heard
> and don't trigger beeps, etc. When manually open the COS, I can hear
> the squelch noise and the inbound audio. Here are my settings.
> 
> 
> Any advice on what I might be doing wrong?
> 
> 
> Card is:         0
> Name is:         usb
> Rx Level:        500
> Rx no-delay:     0
> Rx audio-delay:  0
> Tx A Level:      500
> Tx B Level:      500
> preemphasis:     no
> deemphasis:      no
> plfilter:        yes
> rxboost:         yes
> 
> 
> PTT:             Active LOW
> PTT status:      Un-Keyed
> 
> 
> CTCSS (input):   CM108/CM119 Active LOW
> COS (input):     CM108/CM119 Active HIGH
> COS (test):      Un-Keyed
> COS (composite): Un-Keyed
> 
> 
> Thanks very much for any wisdom you can share!
> 
> 
> Scott W. - W9WSW
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From brett.friermood at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 14:39:45 2017
From: brett.friermood at gmail.com (Brett Friermood)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:39:45 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Output CTCSS Follow Input?
Message-ID: <CADS0AtTzLTfpunR1Bfy5+WkqcYPvUceW_+Dw-BONKtviw2gJGg@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to recall discussion of a setting that transmits CTCSS only when
local repeater input or linked audio is being transmitted, and does not for
ID, courtesy tone, etc. I've looked through the archives but have not found
anything. I may just be confusing it with features of some other
controllers.

The reason I ask is a recent discussion on the other list ended with the
answer of being unable to do it since there is not any code in all of
asterisk/app_rpt to handle it.

Thanks,

Brett KQ9N
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 03:33:19 2017
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 23:33:19 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] tone sent in usbradio setting
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwoO8YkvBLKFaN=VEj31Fp1WQp6B+ryF13874WM3vf9ndg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi I am trying to find what is the frequency of the tone sent when we use
the command radio tune txvoice??

I am asking cause if it would be 1247 hz we could use the bessel null
methode to adjust our tx to 3hz with just a simple rtl-sdr and sdr#

the theory behind this is a bit complcated but at a certain frequency and
level the carrier is completly or almost completly off.

this can easily be seen on a spectrum analyzer. but our sdr# are like
spectrum analyzer.

so if we would want a 3khz deviation we need to send a 1247 hz signal and
adjust the levels till the main carrier disapear on the spectrum analyzer.

the maths are this 3000/2.405=1247

you can see the theory at use here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IBOYoIV5m8

So if there is a way to decide the tone we want we could use that methode
to adjust or repeater deviation ( for the voice part at least)

now if we wanted to adjust the deviation for the ctcss, this is another
story. but could it be calculated by the voice level setting if sent on the
same output?

thanks for listening to my crazy idea ;-)

By the way you can set a radio with a sound card attached to it a known
level and use that as the signal to adjust the rxvoice level also. since we
can set that with simple audio generating software available free online
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From kc2irv at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 03:39:01 2017
From: kc2irv at gmail.com (Joe Moskalski)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 23:39:01 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] tone sent in usbradio setting
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwoO8YkvBLKFaN=VEj31Fp1WQp6B+ryF13874WM3vf9ndg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8dJwoO8YkvBLKFaN=VEj31Fp1WQp6B+ryF13874WM3vf9ndg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAES28qxmmsbZQW9R6RtSnn224b9PJ16zeo=JMcgK8O6Wbeazbw@mail.gmail.com>

That's and excellent idea. I have used this method before to set deviation
before. One way you could do this easily without modifying the code of the
app_rpt module would simply be to create an audio with this constant tone
frequency and call it up with a macro command using the localplay function.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi I am trying to find what is the frequency of the tone sent when we use
> the command radio tune txvoice??
>
> I am asking cause if it would be 1247 hz we could use the bessel null
> methode to adjust our tx to 3hz with just a simple rtl-sdr and sdr#
>
> the theory behind this is a bit complcated but at a certain frequency and
> level the carrier is completly or almost completly off.
>
> this can easily be seen on a spectrum analyzer. but our sdr# are like
> spectrum analyzer.
>
> so if we would want a 3khz deviation we need to send a 1247 hz signal and
> adjust the levels till the main carrier disapear on the spectrum analyzer.
>
> the maths are this 3000/2.405=1247
>
> you can see the theory at use here:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IBOYoIV5m8
>
> So if there is a way to decide the tone we want we could use that methode
> to adjust or repeater deviation ( for the voice part at least)
>
> now if we wanted to adjust the deviation for the ctcss, this is another
> story. but could it be calculated by the voice level setting if sent on the
> same output?
>
> thanks for listening to my crazy idea ;-)
>
> By the way you can set a radio with a sound card attached to it a known
> level and use that as the signal to adjust the rxvoice level also. since we
> can set that with simple audio generating software available free online
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
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From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Thu Jun 22 06:19:52 2017
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 02:19:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] tone sent in usbradio setting
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwoO8YkvBLKFaN=VEj31Fp1WQp6B+ryF13874WM3vf9ndg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1706220214430.21670-100000@goliath.inttek.net>


Hi Pierre,

The Bessel-null method for setting deviation certainly works and can be 
accurately performed with a $15 rtl-sdr style receiver.

Note that the tone frequency generated from app_rpt is 1000 hertz. And, 
this frequency will work fine for testing, as explained in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWcFqsh7ZvQ


73, David KB4FXC


On Wed, 21 Jun 2017, Pierre Martel wrote:

> Hi I am trying to find what is the frequency of the tone sent when we use
> the command radio tune txvoice??
> 
> I am asking cause if it would be 1247 hz we could use the bessel null
> methode to adjust our tx to 3hz with just a simple rtl-sdr and sdr#
> 
> the theory behind this is a bit complcated but at a certain frequency and
> level the carrier is completly or almost completly off.
> 
> this can easily be seen on a spectrum analyzer. but our sdr# are like
> spectrum analyzer.
> 
> so if we would want a 3khz deviation we need to send a 1247 hz signal and
> adjust the levels till the main carrier disapear on the spectrum analyzer.
> 
> the maths are this 3000/2.405=1247
> 
> you can see the theory at use here:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IBOYoIV5m8
> 
> So if there is a way to decide the tone we want we could use that methode
> to adjust or repeater deviation ( for the voice part at least)
> 
> now if we wanted to adjust the deviation for the ctcss, this is another
> story. but could it be calculated by the voice level setting if sent on the
> same output?
> 
> thanks for listening to my crazy idea ;-)
> 
> By the way you can set a radio with a sound card attached to it a known
> level and use that as the signal to adjust the rxvoice level also. since we
> can set that with simple audio generating software available free online
> 



From petem001 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 19:19:04 2017
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:19:04 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] tone sent in usbradio setting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1706220214430.21670-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <CAL8dJwoO8YkvBLKFaN=VEj31Fp1WQp6B+ryF13874WM3vf9ndg@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.44.1706220214430.21670-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwpM77t+uQYQS2+Wi60Yeiczi_R-ybKqUuzE8xXcuz3kCg@mail.gmail.com>

I know uswd it to adjust the deviation of my dmr repeater that run on a
mmdvm and raspberry py. The thing with the 1000 hz you need to make lots of
calculation to achieve the desired settings. But with a 1247 hz signal the
bessel null happen at exactly 3 khz deviation. And this is what we are
looking for with the radio txvoice command. Of course we could work our way
with setting a 1000 hz xmitter at the sessel null modulation level and use
it to feed the receiver of the repeater and then do the same for the
xmitter and adjust the same bessel null. The input would be balanced to the
output. But would it be balanced to the rest of the network.. not so sure.

Le 22 juin 2017 2:19 AM, "David McGough" <kb4fxc at inttek.net> a ?crit :

>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> The Bessel-null method for setting deviation certainly works and can be
> accurately performed with a $15 rtl-sdr style receiver.
>
> Note that the tone frequency generated from app_rpt is 1000 hertz. And,
> this frequency will work fine for testing, as explained in this video:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWcFqsh7ZvQ
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > Hi I am trying to find what is the frequency of the tone sent when we use
> > the command radio tune txvoice??
> >
> > I am asking cause if it would be 1247 hz we could use the bessel null
> > methode to adjust our tx to 3hz with just a simple rtl-sdr and sdr#
> >
> > the theory behind this is a bit complcated but at a certain frequency and
> > level the carrier is completly or almost completly off.
> >
> > this can easily be seen on a spectrum analyzer. but our sdr# are like
> > spectrum analyzer.
> >
> > so if we would want a 3khz deviation we need to send a 1247 hz signal and
> > adjust the levels till the main carrier disapear on the spectrum
> analyzer.
> >
> > the maths are this 3000/2.405=1247
> >
> > you can see the theory at use here:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IBOYoIV5m8
> >
> > So if there is a way to decide the tone we want we could use that methode
> > to adjust or repeater deviation ( for the voice part at least)
> >
> > now if we wanted to adjust the deviation for the ctcss, this is another
> > story. but could it be calculated by the voice level setting if sent on
> the
> > same output?
> >
> > thanks for listening to my crazy idea ;-)
> >
> > By the way you can set a radio with a sound card attached to it a known
> > level and use that as the signal to adjust the rxvoice level also. since
> we
> > can set that with simple audio generating software available free online
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
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From Benjamin at Project23D.com  Tue Jun 27 01:10:23 2017
From: Benjamin at Project23D.com (Benjamin Naber)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:10:23 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
Message-ID: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>

Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
been some issues with allstarlink.

Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
All without apparent cause.

Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
and those connections worked fine.

When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
is an issue.


All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
possibility of ISP issue.

Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
noticed similar issues.

Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?

~Benjamin, KB9LFZ





From steve at m0hoy.com  Tue Jun 27 05:19:05 2017
From: steve at m0hoy.com (Stephen Curtis)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:19:05 +0100
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
Message-ID: <E6F6A34C-04CC-46DD-A393-9FC19A005B59@m0hoy.com>

There have been the occasional issue of nodes not being able to connect which has been down to the database that is downloaded to your node from allstarlink not always being populated with any data. (It has only happened to people who have restarted their node for some reason) This has happened to a few people I know on a small number of occasions. There has been a little chatter about it in related forums but to be honest this is an Amateur System provided to us freely through the kind generosity of a small number of radio hams. I don?t expect it to be a military grade 100% bomb proof system and expect there to be the odd bump along the way!

On another note, connections being dropped are not anything to do with allstarlink it can only be an issue with the individual nodes themselves, internet connectivity etc. All allstarlink is involved with is providing the database telling your node the IP address of all the other nodes in the system. Once you are connected it?s out of there hands.

Thanks again to Steve and all the guys behind the scene?

Cheers
Steve M0HOY



> On 27 Jun 2017, at 02:10, Benjamin Naber <Benjamin at Project23D.com> wrote:
> 
> Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
> been some issues with allstarlink.
> 
> Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
> dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
> All without apparent cause.
> 
> Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
> this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
> our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
> and those connections worked fine.
> 
> When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
> is an issue.
> 
> 
> All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
> possibility of ISP issue.
> 
> Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
> noticed similar issues.
> 
> Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
> 
> ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> 
> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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From shawpbx at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 06:58:09 2017
From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 07:58:09 +0100
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <E6F6A34C-04CC-46DD-A393-9FC19A005B59@m0hoy.com>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
 <E6F6A34C-04CC-46DD-A393-9FC19A005B59@m0hoy.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4RvbLtLmjoBCYZLJvTniuX8M8vSO8HeSCwXcb5=0ckyk0pWw@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried to diagnose the problem?

Sense you wrote the nodes in rpt.conf you wouldn't need a list from the
master servers. So my question is, does the other nodes have your node info
in their rpt.conf file? Have you tried mtr to test your nodes network? When
you try to connect what does the logs or command line output say?

Like to help,
David
KE6UPI



--
Thanks, David

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed one."
Thomas Jefferson

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:19 AM, Stephen Curtis <steve at m0hoy.com> wrote:

> There have been the occasional issue of nodes not being able to connect
> which has been down to the database that is downloaded to your node from
> allstarlink not always being populated with any data. (It has only happened
> to people who have restarted their node for some reason) This has happened
> to a few people I know on a small number of occasions. There has been a
> little chatter about it in related forums but to be honest this is an
> Amateur System provided to us freely through the kind generosity of a small
> number of radio hams. I don?t expect it to be a military grade 100% bomb
> proof system and expect there to be the odd bump along the way!
>
> On another note, connections being dropped are not anything to do with
> allstarlink it can only be an issue with the individual nodes themselves,
> internet connectivity etc. All allstarlink is involved with is providing
> the database telling your node the IP address of all the other nodes in the
> system. Once you are connected it?s out of there hands.
>
> Thanks again to Steve and all the guys behind the scene?
>
> Cheers
> Steve M0HOY
>
>
>
> > On 27 Jun 2017, at 02:10, Benjamin Naber <Benjamin at Project23D.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
> > been some issues with allstarlink.
> >
> > Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
> > dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
> > All without apparent cause.
> >
> > Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
> > this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
> > our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
> > and those connections worked fine.
> >
> > When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
> > is an issue.
> >
> >
> > All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
> > possibility of ISP issue.
> >
> > Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
> > noticed similar issues.
> >
> > Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
> >
> > ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/
> cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of
> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit
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> > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email
> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to
> the list detailing the problem.
>
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Tue Jun 27 15:57:39 2017
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:57:39 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
Message-ID: <60d6e169-3749-7eb5-e5c3-4ff2e2eb70df@bryanfields.net>

On 6/26/17 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber wrote:
> Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
> been some issues with allstarlink.
> 
> Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
> dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
> All without apparent cause.

When and where?

Allstarlink.org is and has been online and stable for some time.

Docs.allstarlink.org had a network outage recently due to a dead switch.  It
was rectified about 5-6 hours later by our network vendor.

> Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
> this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
> our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
> and those connections worked fine.

Again, when and where?  Connections from node to node are direct, the only
thing ASL does is build a database and push that to the nodes every 10 mins or
so.

If your nodes are listed as online, but they cannot talk, there is a network
issue unrelated to ASL.


> When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
> is an issue.

This sort of "error" report is lacking.  You would need to give the errors,
dates/times, source node IP and AS path if you can provide that.

> All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
> possibility of ISP issue.

No, it makes it less likely, but it in no way rules it out.  Are you doing NAT
or is each node on it's own IP?

> Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
> noticed similar issues.

This is nothing but scuttlebutt without evidence.

> Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?

In the last 6 months ASL has lost Jim Dixon, formally incorporated as a
non-profit organization and been forced to document a number of things which
Jim had in his head.

"The death of God left the angels in a strange position."

We had to identify the ASL infrastructure, which was spread out over a number
of different locations.  We've done this and have access to everything, and
backups in case anything fails.  We've assembled an infrastructure team and
have an architecture we're building into (docker).  Over the next few months
we're going to move servers one by one into this environment.

The mailing lists have been moved to a high performance server with real spam
filtering.  Nagios is watching everything and we know in 5-10 minutes when
there is an outage of a service.

This is a huge undertaking.

Tim's working on a new website, and Steve's been running everything else
including development.  Oh, and all the source code is on github now too.

If there's network issues we _want_ to know about them, but it must be in a
detailed manner.  I've responded to people on reddit and said to post details
over on this list.  Without detailed logs and reports we cannot do anything to
confirm them.

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From lorentedford at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 16:24:48 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:24:48 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <60d6e169-3749-7eb5-e5c3-4ff2e2eb70df@bryanfields.net>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
 <60d6e169-3749-7eb5-e5c3-4ff2e2eb70df@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <CAK=eTyg6gqDG3ZKmF=+k4f7vtKyOdv5_5F33smcq5A8nTDSNeg@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good Bryan! Also special shout out to the rest of the team as well..
I think i might have an idea what maybe going on in regards to your
question Benjamin.. I have recently noticed heavier than normal latency on
the iax ports I am not sure if service providers are doing some funny
business with 4569 or what.. But what i recommend is if your having
connectivity issues download mtr on to your allstarlink node..  You can
install it by typing apt-get install mtr then use this command as an
example mtr -rwc 100 ip-p-host-Address

example command would be:
mtr -rwc 100 lorentedford.com

Now this will show you percentages of packet loss for each hop this is
generally a good place to start in troubleshooting if your having issues..

Providing the output of the above can be very useful and assist others in
seeing what type of network congestion is going on where around the
country.. In the future some of us might have to look into consistent VPN
services between major hubs to maintain stable connectivity and routing..
Examples being multiple hub systems where you have geographically located
allstarlink hubs around the world..

Just a thought

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
http://www.lorentedford.com
http://www.kc9zhv.com
http://forum.kc9zhv.com
http://hub.kc9zhv.com
http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
wrote:

> On 6/26/17 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber wrote:
> > Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
> > been some issues with allstarlink.
> >
> > Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
> > dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
> > All without apparent cause.
>
> When and where?
>
> Allstarlink.org is and has been online and stable for some time.
>
> Docs.allstarlink.org had a network outage recently due to a dead switch.
> It
> was rectified about 5-6 hours later by our network vendor.
>
> > Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
> > this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
> > our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
> > and those connections worked fine.
>
> Again, when and where?  Connections from node to node are direct, the only
> thing ASL does is build a database and push that to the nodes every 10
> mins or
> so.
>
> If your nodes are listed as online, but they cannot talk, there is a
> network
> issue unrelated to ASL.
>
>
> > When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
> > is an issue.
>
> This sort of "error" report is lacking.  You would need to give the errors,
> dates/times, source node IP and AS path if you can provide that.
>
> > All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
> > possibility of ISP issue.
>
> No, it makes it less likely, but it in no way rules it out.  Are you doing
> NAT
> or is each node on it's own IP?
>
> > Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
> > noticed similar issues.
>
> This is nothing but scuttlebutt without evidence.
>
> > Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
>
> In the last 6 months ASL has lost Jim Dixon, formally incorporated as a
> non-profit organization and been forced to document a number of things
> which
> Jim had in his head.
>
> "The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
>
> We had to identify the ASL infrastructure, which was spread out over a
> number
> of different locations.  We've done this and have access to everything, and
> backups in case anything fails.  We've assembled an infrastructure team and
> have an architecture we're building into (docker).  Over the next few
> months
> we're going to move servers one by one into this environment.
>
> The mailing lists have been moved to a high performance server with real
> spam
> filtering.  Nagios is watching everything and we know in 5-10 minutes when
> there is an outage of a service.
>
> This is a huge undertaking.
>
> Tim's working on a new website, and Steve's been running everything else
> including development.  Oh, and all the source code is on github now too.
>
> If there's network issues we _want_ to know about them, but it must be in a
> detailed manner.  I've responded to people on reddit and said to post
> details
> over on this list.  Without detailed logs and reports we cannot do
> anything to
> confirm them.
>
> 73's
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 16:33:53 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:33:53 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <CAK=eTyg6gqDG3ZKmF=+k4f7vtKyOdv5_5F33smcq5A8nTDSNeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
 <60d6e169-3749-7eb5-e5c3-4ff2e2eb70df@bryanfields.net>
 <CAK=eTyg6gqDG3ZKmF=+k4f7vtKyOdv5_5F33smcq5A8nTDSNeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK=eTygjB50T5Ta-JB8Bk9g3-_xs+wC_u+Gtg+YiEg9TBSVVBw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the double email forgot to add some things...

Sounds good Bryan! Also special shout out to the rest of the team as well..
I think i might have an idea what maybe going on in regards to your
question Benjamin.. I have recently noticed heavier than normal latency on
the iax ports I am not sure if service providers are doing some funny
business with 4569 or what.. But what i recommend is if your having
connectivity issues download mtr on to your allstarlink node..  You can
install it by typing apt-get install mtr then use this command as an
example mtr -rwc 100 ip-p-host-Address

example command would be:
mtr -rwc 100 lorentedford.com

Now this will show you percentages of packet loss for each hop this is
generally a good place to start in troubleshooting if your having issues..

Providing the output of the above can be very useful and assist others in
seeing what type of network congestion is going on where around the
country.. In the future some of us might have to look into consistent VPN
services between major hubs to maintain stable connectivity and routing..
Examples being multiple hub systems where you have geographically located
allstarlink hubs around the world..

Just a thought

===========================================================================
This is my added on section i forgot to post in the original email

I forgot to add how to do commandline speed testing..
[root at webserver ~]# nano speedtest.sh
#!/bin/bash
wget
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sivel/speedtest-cli/master/speedtest.py
--no-check-certificate
chmod a+rx speedtest.py
mv speedtest.py /usr/local/bin/
chown root:root /usr/local/bin/speedtest.py
/usr/local/bin/speedtest.py

After the above has been ran at least once I comment out everything to make
it look like this..

[root at webserver ~]# cat speedtest.sh
#!/bin/bash
#wget
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sivel/speedtest-cli/master/speedtest.py
--no-check-certificate
#chmod a+rx speedtest.py
#mv speedtest.py /usr/local/bin/
#chown root:root /usr/local/bin/speedtest.py
/usr/local/bin/speedtest.py

Now to run the speedtest just type sh speedtest.sh you can even have this
save the output into a text file later if you wish..

Also below is an example of what an MTR report will look like
loren at loren-Inspiron-1501:~$ mtr -rwc 100 lorentedford.com
Start: Tue Jun 27 11:25:43 2017
HOST: loren-Inspiron-1501             Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst
StDev
  1.|-- VerizonBRV                       0.0%   100    1.6   0.8   0.6
3.1   0.2
  2.|-- 113.sub-66-174-52.myvzw.com      0.0%   100   35.7  38.6  32.1
 52.2   4.2
  3.|-- 34.sub-69-83-89.myvzw.com        0.0%   100   39.5  39.6  24.2
 53.0   4.8
  4.|-- 49.sub-69-83-89.myvzw.com        0.0%   100   37.4  39.1  26.1
 54.2   4.6
  5.|-- 194.sub-69-83-88.myvzw.com       0.0%   100   39.7  40.7  25.6
 55.3   5.1
  6.|-- ???                             100.0   100    0.0   0.0   0.0
0.0   0.0
  7.|-- ???                             100.0   100    0.0   0.0   0.0
0.0   0.0
  8.|-- 101.sub-66-174-49.myvzw.com      0.0%   100   42.1  41.3  29.5
 64.5   6.0
  9.|-- 0.et-2-0-0.GW10.CHI2.ALTER.NET   0.0%   100   34.8  40.6  24.2
 66.9   7.4
 10.|-- 0.et-11-3-0.GW8.CHI13.ALTER.NET  0.0%   100   38.0  41.5  26.5
 69.2   5.9
 11.|-- ???                             100.0   100    0.0   0.0   0.0
0.0   0.0
 12.|-- nyk-bb3-link.telia.net           0.0%   100   56.0  61.8  52.9
232.9  17.9
 13.|-- nyk-b2-link.telia.net            0.0%   100   48.9  61.4  47.5
174.1  13.3
 14.|-- ???                             100.0   100    0.0   0.0   0.0
0.0   0.0
loren at loren-Inspiron-1501:~$




Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
http://www.lorentedford.com
http://www.kc9zhv.com
http://forum.kc9zhv.com
http://hub.kc9zhv.com
http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sounds good Bryan! Also special shout out to the rest of the team as
> well.. I think i might have an idea what maybe going on in regards to your
> question Benjamin.. I have recently noticed heavier than normal latency on
> the iax ports I am not sure if service providers are doing some funny
> business with 4569 or what.. But what i recommend is if your having
> connectivity issues download mtr on to your allstarlink node..  You can
> install it by typing apt-get install mtr then use this command as an
> example mtr -rwc 100 ip-p-host-Address
>
> example command would be:
> mtr -rwc 100 lorentedford.com
>
> Now this will show you percentages of packet loss for each hop this is
> generally a good place to start in troubleshooting if your having issues..
>
> Providing the output of the above can be very useful and assist others in
> seeing what type of network congestion is going on where around the
> country.. In the future some of us might have to look into consistent VPN
> services between major hubs to maintain stable connectivity and routing..
> Examples being multiple hub systems where you have geographically located
> allstarlink hubs around the world..
>
> Just a thought
>
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
> Phone:
> Fax:
> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
> http://www.lorentedford.com
> http://www.kc9zhv.com
> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
> http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
> http://voipham.com
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/26/17 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber wrote:
>> > Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
>> > been some issues with allstarlink.
>> >
>> > Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
>> > dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
>> > All without apparent cause.
>>
>> When and where?
>>
>> Allstarlink.org is and has been online and stable for some time.
>>
>> Docs.allstarlink.org had a network outage recently due to a dead
>> switch.  It
>> was rectified about 5-6 hours later by our network vendor.
>>
>> > Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
>> > this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
>> > our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
>> > and those connections worked fine.
>>
>> Again, when and where?  Connections from node to node are direct, the only
>> thing ASL does is build a database and push that to the nodes every 10
>> mins or
>> so.
>>
>> If your nodes are listed as online, but they cannot talk, there is a
>> network
>> issue unrelated to ASL.
>>
>>
>> > When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
>> > is an issue.
>>
>> This sort of "error" report is lacking.  You would need to give the
>> errors,
>> dates/times, source node IP and AS path if you can provide that.
>>
>> > All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
>> > possibility of ISP issue.
>>
>> No, it makes it less likely, but it in no way rules it out.  Are you
>> doing NAT
>> or is each node on it's own IP?
>>
>> > Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
>> > noticed similar issues.
>>
>> This is nothing but scuttlebutt without evidence.
>>
>> > Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
>>
>> In the last 6 months ASL has lost Jim Dixon, formally incorporated as a
>> non-profit organization and been forced to document a number of things
>> which
>> Jim had in his head.
>>
>> "The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
>>
>> We had to identify the ASL infrastructure, which was spread out over a
>> number
>> of different locations.  We've done this and have access to everything,
>> and
>> backups in case anything fails.  We've assembled an infrastructure team
>> and
>> have an architecture we're building into (docker).  Over the next few
>> months
>> we're going to move servers one by one into this environment.
>>
>> The mailing lists have been moved to a high performance server with real
>> spam
>> filtering.  Nagios is watching everything and we know in 5-10 minutes when
>> there is an outage of a service.
>>
>> This is a huge undertaking.
>>
>> Tim's working on a new website, and Steve's been running everything else
>> including development.  Oh, and all the source code is on github now too.
>>
>> If there's network issues we _want_ to know about them, but it must be in
>> a
>> detailed manner.  I've responded to people on reddit and said to post
>> details
>> over on this list.  Without detailed logs and reports we cannot do
>> anything to
>> confirm them.
>>
>> 73's
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> http://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/c
>> gi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of
>> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit
>> options button"
>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email
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>>
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From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Tue Jun 27 16:45:22 2017
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:45:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <CAK=eTyg6gqDG3ZKmF=+k4f7vtKyOdv5_5F33smcq5A8nTDSNeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1706271237450.4705-100000@goliath.inttek.net>


Just a comment about using mtr or other tools that attempt to show packet
loss to various ISP core or edge routers--this really does NOT give an
accurate picture, in many cases, particularly for latency....The job of
these routers is to forward traffic, not respond to pings.

...And, I am an ISP with core and edge routers.

73, David KB4FXC




On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Loren Tedford wrote:

> Sounds good Bryan! Also special shout out to the rest of the team as well..
> I think i might have an idea what maybe going on in regards to your
> question Benjamin.. I have recently noticed heavier than normal latency on
> the iax ports I am not sure if service providers are doing some funny
> business with 4569 or what.. But what i recommend is if your having
> connectivity issues download mtr on to your allstarlink node..  You can
> install it by typing apt-get install mtr then use this command as an
> example mtr -rwc 100 ip-p-host-Address
> 
> example command would be:
> mtr -rwc 100 lorentedford.com
> 
> Now this will show you percentages of packet loss for each hop this is
> generally a good place to start in troubleshooting if your having issues..
> 
> Providing the output of the above can be very useful and assist others in
> seeing what type of network congestion is going on where around the
> country.. In the future some of us might have to look into consistent VPN
> services between major hubs to maintain stable connectivity and routing..
> Examples being multiple hub systems where you have geographically located
> allstarlink hubs around the world..
> 
> Just a thought
> 
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
> Phone:
> Fax:
> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
> http://www.lorentedford.com
> http://www.kc9zhv.com
> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
> http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
> http://voipham.com
> 
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > On 6/26/17 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber wrote:
> > > Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
> > > been some issues with allstarlink.
> > >
> > > Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
> > > dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
> > > All without apparent cause.
> >
> > When and where?
> >
> > Allstarlink.org is and has been online and stable for some time.
> >
> > Docs.allstarlink.org had a network outage recently due to a dead switch.
> > It
> > was rectified about 5-6 hours later by our network vendor.
> >
> > > Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
> > > this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
> > > our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
> > > and those connections worked fine.
> >
> > Again, when and where?  Connections from node to node are direct, the only
> > thing ASL does is build a database and push that to the nodes every 10
> > mins or
> > so.
> >
> > If your nodes are listed as online, but they cannot talk, there is a
> > network
> > issue unrelated to ASL.
> >
> >
> > > When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
> > > is an issue.
> >
> > This sort of "error" report is lacking.  You would need to give the errors,
> > dates/times, source node IP and AS path if you can provide that.
> >
> > > All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
> > > possibility of ISP issue.
> >
> > No, it makes it less likely, but it in no way rules it out.  Are you doing
> > NAT
> > or is each node on it's own IP?
> >
> > > Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
> > > noticed similar issues.
> >
> > This is nothing but scuttlebutt without evidence.
> >
> > > Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
> >
> > In the last 6 months ASL has lost Jim Dixon, formally incorporated as a
> > non-profit organization and been forced to document a number of things
> > which
> > Jim had in his head.
> >
> > "The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
> >
> > We had to identify the ASL infrastructure, which was spread out over a
> > number
> > of different locations.  We've done this and have access to everything, and
> > backups in case anything fails.  We've assembled an infrastructure team and
> > have an architecture we're building into (docker).  Over the next few
> > months
> > we're going to move servers one by one into this environment.
> >
> > The mailing lists have been moved to a high performance server with real
> > spam
> > filtering.  Nagios is watching everything and we know in 5-10 minutes when
> > there is an outage of a service.
> >
> > This is a huge undertaking.
> >
> > Tim's working on a new website, and Steve's been running everything else
> > including development.  Oh, and all the source code is on github now too.
> >
> > If there's network issues we _want_ to know about them, but it must be in a
> > detailed manner.  I've responded to people on reddit and said to post
> > details
> > over on this list.  Without detailed logs and reports we cannot do
> > anything to
> > confirm them.
> >
> > 73's
> > --
> > Bryan Fields
> >
> > 727-409-1194 - Voice
> > http://bryanfields.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/
> > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of
> > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit
> > options button"
> > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email
> > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to
> > the list detailing the problem.
> >
> 



From lorentedford at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 16:50:50 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:50:50 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1706271237450.4705-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <CAK=eTyg6gqDG3ZKmF=+k4f7vtKyOdv5_5F33smcq5A8nTDSNeg@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.44.1706271237450.4705-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <CAK=eTyjfbj4u1_A+u-bHb18K9jDoUnC+tRuqasX09Qs+_dRAhg@mail.gmail.com>

That's great David however most people don't want to spend the time and
energy into getting a pfsense box and fighting with their provider unless
they can get reasonable idea of what is going on the network side of
things.. I agree ping's packet loss isn't everything but I have found that
mtr is still good basic for individuals looking to trouble shooting network
issues..

I can't help what providers block out on their end of the network.. However
ping times and percentage of packet loss is a good start just to get an
idea..

I am sorry i didn't add nothing is perfect..

So in curiosity side in the linux world what tool would you use to diagnose
your connections?? This is assuming you already use ping commands and
netstat commands etc..

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
http://www.lorentedford.com
http://www.kc9zhv.com
http://forum.kc9zhv.com
http://hub.kc9zhv.com
http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:45 AM, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:

>
> Just a comment about using mtr or other tools that attempt to show packet
> loss to various ISP core or edge routers--this really does NOT give an
> accurate picture, in many cases, particularly for latency....The job of
> these routers is to forward traffic, not respond to pings.
>
> ...And, I am an ISP with core and edge routers.
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Loren Tedford wrote:
>
> > Sounds good Bryan! Also special shout out to the rest of the team as
> well..
> > I think i might have an idea what maybe going on in regards to your
> > question Benjamin.. I have recently noticed heavier than normal latency
> on
> > the iax ports I am not sure if service providers are doing some funny
> > business with 4569 or what.. But what i recommend is if your having
> > connectivity issues download mtr on to your allstarlink node..  You can
> > install it by typing apt-get install mtr then use this command as an
> > example mtr -rwc 100 ip-p-host-Address
> >
> > example command would be:
> > mtr -rwc 100 lorentedford.com
> >
> > Now this will show you percentages of packet loss for each hop this is
> > generally a good place to start in troubleshooting if your having
> issues..
> >
> > Providing the output of the above can be very useful and assist others in
> > seeing what type of network congestion is going on where around the
> > country.. In the future some of us might have to look into consistent VPN
> > services between major hubs to maintain stable connectivity and routing..
> > Examples being multiple hub systems where you have geographically located
> > allstarlink hubs around the world..
> >
> > Just a thought
> >
> > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
> > Phone:
> > Fax:
> > Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
> > Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
> > http://www.lorentedford.com
> > http://www.kc9zhv.com
> > http://forum.kc9zhv.com
> > http://hub.kc9zhv.com
> > http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
> > http://voipham.com
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/26/17 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber wrote:
> > > > Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there
> have
> > > > been some issues with allstarlink.
> > > >
> > > > Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are
> radanomly
> > > > dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
> > > > All without apparent cause.
> > >
> > > When and where?
> > >
> > > Allstarlink.org is and has been online and stable for some time.
> > >
> > > Docs.allstarlink.org had a network outage recently due to a dead
> switch.
> > > It
> > > was rectified about 5-6 hours later by our network vendor.
> > >
> > > > Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
> > > > this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some
> of
> > > > our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the
> rpt.conf,
> > > > and those connections worked fine.
> > >
> > > Again, when and where?  Connections from node to node are direct, the
> only
> > > thing ASL does is build a database and push that to the nodes every 10
> > > mins or
> > > so.
> > >
> > > If your nodes are listed as online, but they cannot talk, there is a
> > > network
> > > issue unrelated to ASL.
> > >
> > >
> > > > When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one,
> there
> > > > is an issue.
> > >
> > > This sort of "error" report is lacking.  You would need to give the
> errors,
> > > dates/times, source node IP and AS path if you can provide that.
> > >
> > > > All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
> > > > possibility of ISP issue.
> > >
> > > No, it makes it less likely, but it in no way rules it out.  Are you
> doing
> > > NAT
> > > or is each node on it's own IP?
> > >
> > > > Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
> > > > noticed similar issues.
> > >
> > > This is nothing but scuttlebutt without evidence.
> > >
> > > > Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
> > >
> > > In the last 6 months ASL has lost Jim Dixon, formally incorporated as a
> > > non-profit organization and been forced to document a number of things
> > > which
> > > Jim had in his head.
> > >
> > > "The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
> > >
> > > We had to identify the ASL infrastructure, which was spread out over a
> > > number
> > > of different locations.  We've done this and have access to
> everything, and
> > > backups in case anything fails.  We've assembled an infrastructure
> team and
> > > have an architecture we're building into (docker).  Over the next few
> > > months
> > > we're going to move servers one by one into this environment.
> > >
> > > The mailing lists have been moved to a high performance server with
> real
> > > spam
> > > filtering.  Nagios is watching everything and we know in 5-10 minutes
> when
> > > there is an outage of a service.
> > >
> > > This is a huge undertaking.
> > >
> > > Tim's working on a new website, and Steve's been running everything
> else
> > > including development.  Oh, and all the source code is on github now
> too.
> > >
> > > If there's network issues we _want_ to know about them, but it must be
> in a
> > > detailed manner.  I've responded to people on reddit and said to post
> > > details
> > > over on this list.  Without detailed logs and reports we cannot do
> > > anything to
> > > confirm them.
> > >
> > > 73's
> > > --
> > > Bryan Fields
> > >
> > > 727-409-1194 - Voice
> > > http://bryanfields.net
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit
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> of
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From asylthe at kc9ona.com  Tue Jun 27 17:14:24 2017
From: asylthe at kc9ona.com (Andrew Sylthe)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:14:24 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
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Most core and edge routers (most notably Cisco devices) provide priority to
regular packet forwarding.  An ICMP reply is given much lower priority.  As
a result, you can't rely on the ICMP information provided by these devices
under test as being accurate.  David is absolutely correct with his
statements.  I've personally seen Cisco routers indicate ~10% packet loss
while doing a ping test, but with forwarded packets being unaffected at 0%
loss.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
wrote:

> That's great David however most people don't want to spend the time and
> energy into getting a pfsense box and fighting with their provider unless
> they can get reasonable idea of what is going on the network side of
> things.. I agree ping's packet loss isn't everything but I have found that
> mtr is still good basic for individuals looking to trouble shooting network
> issues..
>
> I can't help what providers block out on their end of the network..
> However ping times and percentage of packet loss is a good start just to
> get an idea..
>
> I am sorry i didn't add nothing is perfect..
>
> So in curiosity side in the linux world what tool would you use to
> diagnose your connections?? This is assuming you already use ping commands
> and netstat commands etc..
>
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
> Phone:
> Fax:
> Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
> Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
> http://www.lorentedford.com
> http://www.kc9zhv.com
> http://forum.kc9zhv.com
> http://hub.kc9zhv.com
> http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
> http://voipham.com
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:45 AM, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Just a comment about using mtr or other tools that attempt to show packet
>> loss to various ISP core or edge routers--this really does NOT give an
>> accurate picture, in many cases, particularly for latency....The job of
>> these routers is to forward traffic, not respond to pings.
>>
>> ...And, I am an ISP with core and edge routers.
>>
>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Loren Tedford wrote:
>>
>> > Sounds good Bryan! Also special shout out to the rest of the team as
>> well..
>> > I think i might have an idea what maybe going on in regards to your
>> > question Benjamin.. I have recently noticed heavier than normal latency
>> on
>> > the iax ports I am not sure if service providers are doing some funny
>> > business with 4569 or what.. But what i recommend is if your having
>> > connectivity issues download mtr on to your allstarlink node..  You can
>> > install it by typing apt-get install mtr then use this command as an
>> > example mtr -rwc 100 ip-p-host-Address
>> >
>> > example command would be:
>> > mtr -rwc 100 lorentedford.com
>> >
>> > Now this will show you percentages of packet loss for each hop this is
>> > generally a good place to start in troubleshooting if your having
>> issues..
>> >
>> > Providing the output of the above can be very useful and assist others
>> in
>> > seeing what type of network congestion is going on where around the
>> > country.. In the future some of us might have to look into consistent
>> VPN
>> > services between major hubs to maintain stable connectivity and
>> routing..
>> > Examples being multiple hub systems where you have geographically
>> located
>> > allstarlink hubs around the world..
>> >
>> > Just a thought
>> >
>> > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
>> > Phone:
>> > Fax:
>> > Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
>> > Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
>> > http://www.lorentedford.com
>> > http://www.kc9zhv.com
>> > http://forum.kc9zhv.com
>> > http://hub.kc9zhv.com
>> > http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
>> > http://voipham.com
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 6/26/17 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber wrote:
>> > > > Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there
>> have
>> > > > been some issues with allstarlink.
>> > > >
>> > > > Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are
>> radanomly
>> > > > dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
>> > > > All without apparent cause.
>> > >
>> > > When and where?
>> > >
>> > > Allstarlink.org is and has been online and stable for some time.
>> > >
>> > > Docs.allstarlink.org had a network outage recently due to a dead
>> switch.
>> > > It
>> > > was rectified about 5-6 hours later by our network vendor.
>> > >
>> > > > Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
>> > > > this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone.
>> Some of
>> > > > our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the
>> rpt.conf,
>> > > > and those connections worked fine.
>> > >
>> > > Again, when and where?  Connections from node to node are direct, the
>> only
>> > > thing ASL does is build a database and push that to the nodes every 10
>> > > mins or
>> > > so.
>> > >
>> > > If your nodes are listed as online, but they cannot talk, there is a
>> > > network
>> > > issue unrelated to ASL.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one,
>> there
>> > > > is an issue.
>> > >
>> > > This sort of "error" report is lacking.  You would need to give the
>> errors,
>> > > dates/times, source node IP and AS path if you can provide that.
>> > >
>> > > > All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
>> > > > possibility of ISP issue.
>> > >
>> > > No, it makes it less likely, but it in no way rules it out.  Are you
>> doing
>> > > NAT
>> > > or is each node on it's own IP?
>> > >
>> > > > Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they
>> have
>> > > > noticed similar issues.
>> > >
>> > > This is nothing but scuttlebutt without evidence.
>> > >
>> > > > Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
>> > >
>> > > In the last 6 months ASL has lost Jim Dixon, formally incorporated as
>> a
>> > > non-profit organization and been forced to document a number of things
>> > > which
>> > > Jim had in his head.
>> > >
>> > > "The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
>> > >
>> > > We had to identify the ASL infrastructure, which was spread out over a
>> > > number
>> > > of different locations.  We've done this and have access to
>> everything, and
>> > > backups in case anything fails.  We've assembled an infrastructure
>> team and
>> > > have an architecture we're building into (docker).  Over the next few
>> > > months
>> > > we're going to move servers one by one into this environment.
>> > >
>> > > The mailing lists have been moved to a high performance server with
>> real
>> > > spam
>> > > filtering.  Nagios is watching everything and we know in 5-10 minutes
>> when
>> > > there is an outage of a service.
>> > >
>> > > This is a huge undertaking.
>> > >
>> > > Tim's working on a new website, and Steve's been running everything
>> else
>> > > including development.  Oh, and all the source code is on github now
>> too.
>> > >
>> > > If there's network issues we _want_ to know about them, but it must
>> be in a
>> > > detailed manner.  I've responded to people on reddit and said to post
>> > > details
>> > > over on this list.  Without detailed logs and reports we cannot do
>> > > anything to
>> > > confirm them.
>> > >
>> > > 73's
>> > > --
>> > > Bryan Fields
>> > >
>> > > 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> > > http://bryanfields.net
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > App_rpt-users mailing list
>> > > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> > > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>> > >
>> > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/
>> > > cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom
>> of
>> > > the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit
>> > > options button"
>> > > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email
>> > > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a
>> message to
>> > > the list detailing the problem.
>> > >
>> >
>>
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>
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From tom at tomh.us  Tue Jun 27 17:15:53 2017
From: tom at tomh.us (Tom Hayward)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:15:53 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's great David however most people don't want to spend the time and
> energy into getting a pfsense box and fighting with their provider unless
> they can get reasonable idea of what is going on the network side of
> things.. I agree ping's packet loss isn't everything but I have found that
> mtr is still good basic for individuals looking to trouble shooting network
> issues..
>
> I can't help what providers block out on their end of the network.. However
> ping times and percentage of packet loss is a good start just to get an
> idea..
>
> I am sorry i didn't add nothing is perfect..
>
> So in curiosity side in the linux world what tool would you use to diagnose
> your connections?? This is assuming you already use ping commands and
> netstat commands etc..

Loren,

I think you missed David's point. He's saying that ICMP loss to core
routers is not an accurate assessment of their packet forwarding
ability. These routers have dedicated hardware to forward packets and
can do so at line rate. However, when a ping comes in addressed to
them, this does not get handled by the dedicated packet forwarding
chip. It must be sent to the CPU for processing. If the CPU has some
free time, it will parse the ICMP packet, find the echo request, and
send an echo reply. If the CPU is busy, it'll just ignore the packet.
Pings are the lowest priority in a router like this.

To test for packet loss, use an end-to-end tool on the same protocol
as your application. In this case, test for UDP loss and jitter. You
can do that with a tool like iperf:
https://iperf.fr/

Tom KD7LXL


From lorentedford at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 17:22:07 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:22:07 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
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Tom can you explain a bit more on iperf? How to install and run from
command line and possibly from windows?

Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
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http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Tom Hayward <tom at tomh.us> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > That's great David however most people don't want to spend the time and
> > energy into getting a pfsense box and fighting with their provider unless
> > they can get reasonable idea of what is going on the network side of
> > things.. I agree ping's packet loss isn't everything but I have found
> that
> > mtr is still good basic for individuals looking to trouble shooting
> network
> > issues..
> >
> > I can't help what providers block out on their end of the network..
> However
> > ping times and percentage of packet loss is a good start just to get an
> > idea..
> >
> > I am sorry i didn't add nothing is perfect..
> >
> > So in curiosity side in the linux world what tool would you use to
> diagnose
> > your connections?? This is assuming you already use ping commands and
> > netstat commands etc..
>
> Loren,
>
> I think you missed David's point. He's saying that ICMP loss to core
> routers is not an accurate assessment of their packet forwarding
> ability. These routers have dedicated hardware to forward packets and
> can do so at line rate. However, when a ping comes in addressed to
> them, this does not get handled by the dedicated packet forwarding
> chip. It must be sent to the CPU for processing. If the CPU has some
> free time, it will parse the ICMP packet, find the echo request, and
> send an echo reply. If the CPU is busy, it'll just ignore the packet.
> Pings are the lowest priority in a router like this.
>
> To test for packet loss, use an end-to-end tool on the same protocol
> as your application. In this case, test for UDP loss and jitter. You
> can do that with a tool like iperf:
> https://iperf.fr/
>
> Tom KD7LXL
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
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From tom at tomh.us  Tue Jun 27 17:34:12 2017
From: tom at tomh.us (Tom Hayward)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:34:12 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tom can you explain a bit more on iperf? How to install and run from command
> line and possibly from windows?

Sorry, I'm not a Windows user and don't know how. Besides, you'll want
to test this between two nodes. Testing on Windows would be
superfluous.

On DIAL you can install it with:
sudo apt update && sudo apt install -y iperf3

Tom KD7LXL


From luvencl8 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 19:13:09 2017
From: luvencl8 at gmail.com (Lu V)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:13:09 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
Message-ID: <F1E77A8A-0C95-4854-A7A3-F06CDC662F8E@gmail.com>

Who is your service provider?

Lu Vencl

> On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber <Benjamin at Project23D.com> wrote:
> 
> Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
> been some issues with allstarlink.
> 
> Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
> dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
> All without apparent cause.
> 
> Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
> this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
> our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
> and those connections worked fine.
> 
> When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
> is an issue.
> 
> 
> All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
> possibility of ISP issue.
> 
> Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
> noticed similar issues.
> 
> Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
> 
> ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 20:04:43 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:04:43 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <F1E77A8A-0C95-4854-A7A3-F06CDC662F8E@gmail.com>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
 <F1E77A8A-0C95-4854-A7A3-F06CDC662F8E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK=eTyijVyJFaJLKP1DdvW8-r1NNhMdreuk+iCCq=HpUmN9AKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ok i am playing around with iperf could some one hold my hand and explain
to me exactly what i am looking for in issues with my voip traffic since
mtr is not a viable solution to figuring this out??

Here is Server Side Stuff and Information

root at vhf:~# sh speedtest.sh
Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
Testing from OVH (158.69.235.237)...
Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
Selecting best server based on ping...
Hosted by Fibrenoire Internet (Montreal, QC) [1.26 km]: 2.094 ms
Testing download
speed................................................................................
Download: 650.05 Mbit/s
Testing upload
speed................................................................................................
Upload: 795.92 Mbit/s
root at vhf:~#

root at vhf:~# iperf -s -u
------------------------------------------------------------
Server listening on UDP port 5001
Receiving 1470 byte datagrams
UDP buffer size:  160 KByte (default)
------------------------------------------------------------
[  3] local 158.69.235.237 port 5001 connected with 209.97.91.7 port 38285
[ ID] Interval       Transfer     Bandwidth        Jitter   Lost/Total
Datagrams
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.25 MBytes  1.05 Mbits/sec   1.694 ms    0/  893 (0%)
[  4] local 158.69.235.237 port 5001 connected with 174.221.4.20 port 5940
[  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.25 MBytes  1.05 Mbits/sec   7.710 ms    2/  893
(0.22%)
[  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  2 datagrams received out-of-order
[  3] local 158.69.235.237 port 5001 connected with 209.97.91.7 port 37650
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.25 MBytes  1.05 Mbits/sec   1.031 ms    0/  893 (0%)


Here is my repeater site on Verizon Wireless Network..

loren at loren-Inspiron-1501:~$ iperf -c 158.69.235.237 -u
------------------------------------------------------------
Client connecting to 158.69.235.237, UDP port 5001
Sending 1470 byte datagrams
UDP buffer size:  208 KByte (default)
------------------------------------------------------------
[  3] local 192.168.1.200 port 40947 connected with 158.69.235.237 port 5001
[ ID] Interval       Transfer     Bandwidth
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.25 MBytes  1.05 Mbits/sec
[  3] Sent 893 datagrams
[  3] Server Report:
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.25 MBytes  1.05 Mbits/sec   7.710 ms    2/  893
(0.22%)
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  2 datagrams received out-of-order
loren at loren-Inspiron-1501:~$

loren at loren-Inspiron-1501:~$ sh speedtest.sh
Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
Testing from Verizon Wireless (174.221.4.20)...
Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
Selecting best server based on ping...
Hosted by tzulo, inc (Chicago, IL) [2.82 km]: 49.058 ms
Testing download
speed................................................................................
Download: 11.51 Mbit/s
Testing upload
speed................................................................................................
Upload: 6.16 Mbit/s
loren at loren-Inspiron-1501:~$

Here is My home internet information..

loren at loren-VirtualBox:~$ sh speedtest.sh
Retrieving speedtest.net configuration...
Testing from NewWave (209.97.91.7)...
Retrieving speedtest.net server list...
Selecting best server based on ping...
Hosted by Endeavor Communications (Cloverdale, IN) [114.94 km]: 51.567 ms
Testing download
speed................................................................................
Download: 95.78 Mbit/s
Testing upload
speed................................................................................................
Upload: 9.23 Mbit/s
loren at loren-VirtualBox:~$ nano iperftest.sh
loren at loren-VirtualBox:~$ sh iperftest.sh
------------------------------------------------------------
Client connecting to 158.69.235.237, UDP port 5001
Sending 1470 byte datagrams
UDP buffer size:  208 KByte (default)
------------------------------------------------------------
[  3] local 192.168.9.99 port 37650 connected with 158.69.235.237 port 5001
[ ID] Interval       Transfer     Bandwidth
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.25 MBytes  1.05 Mbits/sec
[  3] Sent 893 datagrams
[  3] Server Report:
[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.25 MBytes  1.05 Mbits/sec   1.031 ms    0/  893 (0%)
loren at loren-VirtualBox:~$



Some one explain to me what i am seeing here? What exactly is good and bad
in network latency dealing with Voip Traffic?


Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
Phone:
Fax:
Email: lorentedford at gmail.com
Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com
http://www.lorentedford.com
http://www.kc9zhv.com
http://forum.kc9zhv.com
http://hub.kc9zhv.com
http://Ltcraft.net <http://ltcraft.net/>
http://voipham.com

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Lu V <luvencl8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Who is your service provider?
>
> Lu Vencl
>
> > On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber <Benjamin at Project23D.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
> > been some issues with allstarlink.
> >
> > Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
> > dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
> > All without apparent cause.
> >
> > Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
> > this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
> > our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
> > and those connections worked fine.
> >
> > When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
> > is an issue.
> >
> >
> > All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
> > possibility of ISP issue.
> >
> > Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
> > noticed similar issues.
> >
> > Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
> >
> > ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >
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> cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of
> the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit
> options button"
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> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to
> the list detailing the problem.
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From Benjamin at Project23D.com  Tue Jun 27 20:20:24 2017
From: Benjamin at Project23D.com (Benjamin Naber)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:20:24 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <F1E77A8A-0C95-4854-A7A3-F06CDC662F8E@gmail.com>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
 <F1E77A8A-0C95-4854-A7A3-F06CDC662F8E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1498594824.29442.33.camel@Project23D.com>

WoW, who took over knology in this area.

No issues, have been reported, although trying to actually talk to
someone who works in their local NOC, is like pulling teeth.

Their has been some issues with DNS, have no lead at to why, so I
replaced the URL strings with IPs in the iax.conf.


~Benjamin, KB9LFZ

On Tue, 2017-06-27 at 15:13 -0400, Lu V wrote:
> Who is your service provider?
> 
> Lu Vencl
> 
> > On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber <Benjamin at Project23D.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
> > been some issues with allstarlink.
> > 
> > Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
> > dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
> > All without apparent cause.
> > 
> > Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
> > this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
> > our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
> > and those connections worked fine.
> > 
> > When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
> > is an issue.
> > 
> > 
> > All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
> > possibility of ISP issue.
> > 
> > Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
> > noticed similar issues.
> > 
> > Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
> > 
> > ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Tue Jun 27 20:42:55 2017
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:42:55 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <1498594824.29442.33.camel@Project23D.com>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
 <F1E77A8A-0C95-4854-A7A3-F06CDC662F8E@gmail.com>
 <1498594824.29442.33.camel@Project23D.com>
Message-ID: <a8f3a906-faf9-c223-59d7-5a337926f5b9@bryanfields.net>

On 6/27/17 4:20 PM, Benjamin Naber wrote:
> WoW, who took over knology in this area.

Which area is that?  What is your IP?

> No issues, have been reported, although trying to actually talk to
> someone who works in their local NOC, is like pulling teeth.

Typical of any MSO.  You need know the right contacts with clue.

> Their has been some issues with DNS, have no lead at to why, so I
> replaced the URL strings with IPs in the iax.conf.

You may want to use an alternate DNS server.


-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From bdboyle at bdboyle.com  Tue Jun 27 21:00:20 2017
From: bdboyle at bdboyle.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:00:20 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <a8f3a906-faf9-c223-59d7-5a337926f5b9@bryanfields.net>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
 <F1E77A8A-0C95-4854-A7A3-F06CDC662F8E@gmail.com>
 <1498594824.29442.33.camel@Project23D.com>
 <a8f3a906-faf9-c223-59d7-5a337926f5b9@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <4F7FD396-11C8-433A-9FDE-472F28678DB3@bdboyle.com>

8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are google's high availability/DR'd DNS servers.  

--
Bryan
Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.



> On Jun 27, 2017, at 16:42, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/27/17 4:20 PM, Benjamin Naber wrote:
>> WoW, who took over knology in this area.
> 
> Which area is that?  What is your IP?
> 
>> No issues, have been reported, although trying to actually talk to
>> someone who works in their local NOC, is like pulling teeth.
> 
> Typical of any MSO.  You need know the right contacts with clue.
> 
>> Their has been some issues with DNS, have no lead at to why, so I
>> replaced the URL strings with IPs in the iax.conf.
> 
> You may want to use an alternate DNS server.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Fields
> 
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From nessenj at jimsoffice.org  Tue Jun 27 23:05:20 2017
From: nessenj at jimsoffice.org (Jim Nessen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:05:20 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Reliability / Network Stability
In-Reply-To: <1498594824.29442.33.camel@Project23D.com>
References: <1498525823.29442.30.camel@Project23D.com>
 <F1E77A8A-0C95-4854-A7A3-F06CDC662F8E@gmail.com>,
 <1498594824.29442.33.camel@Project23D.com>
Message-ID: <CF81060A-F7D9-4A3E-BA88-925A157CBECB@jimsoffice.org>

I never rely on my ISP for DNS lookups.  I find that they are good at providing me transit, but are terrible for keeping servers and services running.

I am lucky enough to have a pair of DNS servers scattered about the US, but if I didnt have them, I would rely on google (8.8.8.8)

Jim, K6JWN

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Benjamin Naber <Benjamin at Project23D.com> wrote:
> 
> WoW, who took over knology in this area.
> 
> No issues, have been reported, although trying to actually talk to
> someone who works in their local NOC, is like pulling teeth.
> 
> Their has been some issues with DNS, have no lead at to why, so I
> replaced the URL strings with IPs in the iax.conf.
> 
> 
> ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
> 
>> On Tue, 2017-06-27 at 15:13 -0400, Lu V wrote:
>> Who is your service provider?
>> 
>> Lu Vencl
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Benjamin Naber <Benjamin at Project23D.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Over the course of the last six months or so, I have noticed there have
>>> been some issues with allstarlink.
>>> 
>>> Either the allstarlink website doesn't work, connections are radanomly
>>> dropped on known high-reliability networks and connected equipment.
>>> All without apparent cause.
>>> 
>>> Again today, for no apparent reason, all links on several systems in
>>> this area were dropped, and were not able to connect to anyone. Some of
>>> our nodes have "direct access" to other nodes specified in the rpt.conf,
>>> and those connections worked fine.
>>> 
>>> When a node cannot connect to node 2000, or some other random one, there
>>> is an issue.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> All nodes in this area have different ISPs, so it rules out the
>>> possibility of ISP issue.
>>> 
>>> Other folks I have talked to across the country have stated they have
>>> noticed similar issues.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone noticed this, and not said anything, or what is going on?
>>> 
>>> ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>> 
>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
>>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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> 
> 
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From zl1bhd at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 01:48:41 2017
From: zl1bhd at gmail.com (Steve Wright ZL1BHD)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:48:41 +1200
Subject: [App_rpt-users] receive CTCSS and squelch tail removal
Message-ID: <1569bc62-c2d0-7c76-8d5e-92cecc356f48@gmail.com>

Greetings,

What is the proper way to make sure app_rpt removes the squelch tail
from incoming audio?

Of course, the calling stations' transmitter must be releasing tone
before releasing carrier, but I want to make sure I assemble the
controller properly.


Thanks,

Steve




From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 10:54:12 2017
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 03:54:12 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] receive CTCSS and squelch tail removal
In-Reply-To: <1569bc62-c2d0-7c76-8d5e-92cecc356f48@gmail.com>
References: <1569bc62-c2d0-7c76-8d5e-92cecc356f48@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <284FF78A-3A3D-43F8-99CB-DFA9318B9C96@gmail.com>

I'm missing something in the question. How are these getting on the linked audio in the first place?

Thanks,
Bob
k6ecm
73

Sent from iPad


> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Steve Wright ZL1BHD <zl1bhd at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> What is the proper way to make sure app_rpt removes the squelch tail
> from incoming audio?
> 
> Of course, the calling stations' transmitter must be releasing tone
> before releasing carrier, but I want to make sure I assemble the
> controller properly.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> 
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From george at dyb.com  Wed Jun 28 12:27:06 2017
From: george at dyb.com (George Csahanin)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 07:27:06 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 100, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <mailman.636.1498604726.5828.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
References: <mailman.636.1498604726.5828.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
Message-ID: <06396aea-1a8d-e7b6-312d-10a0f9d779e5@dyb.com>

I have had many recent issues with DNS. Verizon at the node I just 
turned off (28599) was usually good but last week had DNS resolver 
issues, used google's, and here in Texas AT&T's DNS resolvers are messed 
up. Slow always but additionally cannot get my iPad to Apples site for 
cloud service, etc. My iPhone gets there on the cellular network. And I 
can get my iPad there using celphone as hotspot. But with a GB to move 
that's not a solution.

Bottom line is I like to use google's servers, usually fast. And in 
rpt.conf I always keep the ip address, not hostnames, of the nodes I 
usually connect to(27849, 27891)

GeorgeC

W2DB

2360


-- 
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Crowley, TX 76036
682-708-5716 home
401-338-0568 cel
http://dyb.com
PLEASE NOTE: Effective January 1, 2018 george at dyb.com will no longer function
USE george at w2db.com



From selkie2 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 29 13:15:33 2017
From: selkie2 at comcast.net (DuaneVT .)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:15:33 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] RSA Public key authentication and Fail2ban?
Message-ID: <CABhxdJm8_4AEbQFSz1uTaobiSb0dPuJr1hUPXi3rkmcoxYadrw@mail.gmail.com>

Upgrading login authentication of the DIAL node for SSH with RSA Public key
and disabled passwords. Does Fail2ban work with Public key and is it a
necessary option?
Thanks,
Duane KA1LM
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From dshaw at ke6upi.com  Thu Jun 29 14:42:41 2017
From: dshaw at ke6upi.com (David KE6UPI)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 07:42:41 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] RSA Public key authentication and Fail2ban?
In-Reply-To: <CABhxdJm8_4AEbQFSz1uTaobiSb0dPuJr1hUPXi3rkmcoxYadrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABhxdJm8_4AEbQFSz1uTaobiSb0dPuJr1hUPXi3rkmcoxYadrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4RvbLp8Vo+8cUEBep1-yGNgYRXODu+zKtqKmY08n=-G4bhVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes it will. If this is the first time you have played with Fail2Ban. You
should play with it first at home. If you get locked out. You can use a
monitor and key to login.

David
KE6UPI

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:15 AM, DuaneVT . <selkie2 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Upgrading login authentication of the DIAL node for SSH with RSA Public
> key and disabled passwords. Does Fail2ban work with Public key and is it a
> necessary option?
> Thanks,
> Duane KA1LM
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lorentedford at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 15:03:05 2017
From: lorentedford at gmail.com (Loren Tedford)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:03:05 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] RSA Public key authentication and Fail2ban?
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Duane, I use to  use this to help me  secure my linode servers about 4
years ago figure this might help ya!
https://www.linode.com/docs/security/securing-your-server/


I hope this helps

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On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:15 AM, DuaneVT . <selkie2 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Upgrading login authentication of the DIAL node for SSH with RSA Public
> key and disabled passwords. Does Fail2ban work with Public key and is it a
> necessary option?
> Thanks,
> Duane KA1LM
>
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