[App_rpt-users] Politics

Mike Besemer mwbesemer at cox.net
Tue Sep 18 20:39:25 UTC 2018 

I just wish all this talk would stop!  I get it - I really do - but all this talk is just stirring the pot and it certainly doesn't solve anything.  

It's like watching Congress!

Mike
WM4B

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From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:34 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Politics

Heya Lauren,

Nope. This is all to do with the HamVOIP folks, AKA Doug ’n Dave, who developed an alternative bistro for the Pi, previous the BBB and friends, on an ArchLinux bistro. There’s some not nice ball playing going on here, beginning with but not limited to development of software without any source code release in evidence or, apparently, planned, like ever. 

> On Sep 18, 2018, at 10:05 AM, Loren Tedford <loren at lorentedford.com> wrote:
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> I have been seeing some of theses posts.. But what the heck is going on????????????
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> Is this over the whole deal where i am degrading the product or what ever because of my purchase of voipham.com? I created it originally to be a tutorial kinda page for those of us that had trouble installing allstar link back in the day.. Yeah i know its about 5 or 6 years old now and i haven't done much with it since my accident in October of 2014 and sorry about that.. Also Tim I am looking at digging a bit further into allmon will update things eventually but was looking at making it more mobile compliant that sort of thing and possibly locking it down with like an admin page using MySQL database or some thing.. Just haven't gotten around to having Mark to help me with some of that since i have forgotten just about all of it now.
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> Anyway still trying to figure out exactly what i missed that started this whole political incorrectness or what ever.. 
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> Thank You all involved :) Keep up the good work!
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> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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> On 9/18/2018 9:11 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:
>> Supermon is based on my Allmon 2 software https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2 which I give freely to anyone who wants it with no restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their total disregard for fairness. 
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>> But it's more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon the knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP took Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours of development by countless people and closed it, ending the path to the next level of knowledge. Think about where we'd be if no one shared their knowledge. "We stand on the shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be standing on HamVoIP's shoulders.  
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>> HamVoIP (David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon 2.  A whole lot more of that should be happening. 
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>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon, wich I dont remember the name. 
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>> Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> a écrit :
>> Harold, did you get put on moderated status after daring to question the lack of any source code release? I did. No real skin off my nose, but still. 
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>> As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean magloop at yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly, our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were it not so. 
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>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <k7ilo1 at gmail.com> <k7ilo1 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I don’t know much about them but after going to the website, it reminded me of how I had known about them.
>>> They private emailed me about what they were up to after I hit this post with a question about something that I don’t remember, but that’s besides the point.
>>> The email if I remember correctly was kind of, in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group.
>>> I never pursued their website or anything else about them since.
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>>> It really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this way.  I left the magnetic loop group after expressing my feelings toward something that was said.
>>> It put down all of the people that had joined this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC introduced the no code technician and they bashed the crap out of em.
>>> Which I took personal because Im one of them.
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>>> Anyway, I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about how political and how ham groups bash the other.  What has OUR HOBBY come to?
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>>> Harold
>>> K7ILO
>>> Las Vegas, NV.
>>> Node 27863
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>>> From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:11 PM
>>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Politics
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>>> There has been a ton of inaccurate statements by the HamVoIP principals in numerous posts, emails and telephone calls regarding what AllStarLink is up to. Before you read the rest of this email please take a look at the August 16 post over on hamVoIP.org.
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>>> I really don't want to wade                                             into this political BS. I should be coding not spending time on this BS. Even so I've spent tons of time behind the scenes attempting to get folks working together. I hesitate to speak publicly on this but my low key approach has not worked. So, some false statements must be publicly corrected. I will address only this particular post at this time. 
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>>> First, "The server" is not owned by one person. The very reason AllStarLink, Inc. was formed is to prevent that scenario. 
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>>> Second, there is not just one server. There are numerous servers around the country run by folks that donate their time, effort and money.
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>>> Third, HamVoIP principals                                             continually imply that AllStar was unofficially taken over. That's just not true. The reigns were turned as officially as possible given Jim's sudden death. Jim's long time friends and co-developers of AllStar contacted current and past AllStarLink board members and made arrangements for what you see today. 
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>>> Additionally, it's true that migration to the new servers didn't go perfectly. But it's extreme unfair to bash individuals who are only attempting to improve AllStar. Ham Radio is about learning if it's about anything. Making mistakes happens as part of the learning process. Now we have a better system and no one got shot as my Marine friend used to say.
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>>> The August 16 HamVoIP statements are divisive and only serve to build up some individuals at the expense of others. To HamVoIP principals I say enough of that crap! If you                                             want to build a better mouse trap you are welcome to that. Go for it. But don't justify yourself by speaking badly of others who have nothing but good intentions. 
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