From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Tue Jul  2 19:54:29 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:54:29 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
Message-ID: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>

It's funny to write this yet again, however AllStar is being attacked by the
people who have contributed nothing and stolen everything from this community.

I was forwarded an email with claims of registration issues by John David
McGough.  Now these people (who use the AllStar registration servers and core
infrastructure) claim once again, AllStar has problems with registration
services.  They refuse to provide any evidence of this, but have no problems
spreading this FUD.

Registration is, and has been working.  ASL has multiple servers running, and
the nodes list is being generated properly too.  This is stable and working.
If one dies, DNS moves it to another server.

If one has a registration issue, what is a better way to handle it;
a. email the help desk <rt at allstarlink.org> or this mailing list, or
b. provide no notice and bitch about and libel the community?

Anyone can check <https://grafana.allstarlink.org> and see the registration
counts, and the top authentication failures.  This isn't on a delay, if
something is broken it's going to show there, and it's the first thing the
admin team checks when problems are reported.

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From Brad at trogdon.org  Tue Jul  2 20:54:46 2019
From: Brad at trogdon.org (Brad Trogdon)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:54:46 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
References: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <CAKAuT6Yu58H3ryPPi4=zP6hgqCPTm1VXxtQHZi5f86A5dGN7FA@mail.gmail.com>

Bryan Fields,

Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form
of product, updates and support.

I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than
Amateur applications as well.  I personally appreciate the assistance as do
all the others that come to a source that they know will offer them direct
and transparent assistance.

If the complaint were the first I would think that it?s an anomaly but
their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and
inability to connect to others.  Got that you have a tool but does the tool
provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues
connecting to others.

I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
providing a service to the community at large.   I appreciate their work.



On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:54 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:

> It's funny to write this yet again, however AllStar is being attacked by
> the
> people who have contributed nothing and stolen everything from this
> community.
>
> I was forwarded an email with claims of registration issues by John David
> McGough.  Now these people (who use the AllStar registration servers and
> core
> infrastructure) claim once again, AllStar has problems with registration
> services.  They refuse to provide any evidence of this, but have no
> problems
> spreading this FUD.
>
> Registration is, and has been working.  ASL has multiple servers running,
> and
> the nodes list is being generated properly too.  This is stable and
> working.
> If one dies, DNS moves it to another server.
>
> If one has a registration issue, what is a better way to handle it;
> a. email the help desk <rt at allstarlink.org> or this mailing list, or
> b. provide no notice and bitch about and libel the community?
>
> Anyone can check <https://grafana.allstarlink.org> and see the
> registration
> counts, and the top authentication failures.  This isn't on a delay, if
> something is broken it's going to show there, and it's the first thing the
> admin team checks when problems are reported.
>
> 73's
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From Brad at trogdon.org  Tue Jul  2 21:06:42 2019
From: Brad at trogdon.org (Brad Trogdon)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 17:06:42 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
References: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <CAKAuT6bX4OEAjFK4W9FsZH-cWN10EOFTkBn3wvsZ-oOKubBYGw@mail.gmail.com>

FYI.  AllStarLink.org is reported as down on the link provided by Bryan
Fields



On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:54 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:

> It's funny to write this yet again, however AllStar is being attacked by
> the
> people who have contributed nothing and stolen everything from this
> community.
>
> I was forwarded an email with claims of registration issues by John David
> McGough.  Now these people (who use the AllStar registration servers and
> core
> infrastructure) claim once again, AllStar has problems with registration
> services.  They refuse to provide any evidence of this, but have no
> problems
> spreading this FUD.
>
> Registration is, and has been working.  ASL has multiple servers running,
> and
> the nodes list is being generated properly too.  This is stable and
> working.
> If one dies, DNS moves it to another server.
>
> If one has a registration issue, what is a better way to handle it;
> a. email the help desk <rt at allstarlink.org> or this mailing list, or
> b. provide no notice and bitch about and libel the community?
>
> Anyone can check <https://grafana.allstarlink.org> and see the
> registration
> counts, and the top authentication failures.  This isn't on a delay, if
> something is broken it's going to show there, and it's the first thing the
> admin team checks when problems are reported.
>
> 73's
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Tue Jul  2 22:03:24 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:03:24 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAKAuT6Yu58H3ryPPi4=zP6hgqCPTm1VXxtQHZi5f86A5dGN7FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
 <CAKAuT6Yu58H3ryPPi4=zP6hgqCPTm1VXxtQHZi5f86A5dGN7FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e2c97d6d-52a3-3826-4a25-cade36c659fd@bryanfields.net>

On 7/2/19 4:54 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
> Bryan Fields,
> 
> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form
> of product, updates and support.

HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much
from it.  HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged
in criminal copyright infringement against this community.  This is trampling
on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.

Do you condone this?

> I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than
> Amateur applications as well. 

Please name and shame them.  Using John David/Inttek code certainly exposes a
commercial entity to action of copyright infringement.  If it's knowingly
using it, it's a crime.

> If the complaint were the first I would think that it?s an anomaly but
> their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and
> inability to connect to others.  Got that you have a tool but does the tool
> provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues
> connecting to others.

There's not a problem with it, no one is complaining, other than John David
McGough.

> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
> providing a service to the community at large.   

What service is he providing?  What is he contributing if he's unable to abide
by the basic tenets of the community?

-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From Brad at trogdon.org  Wed Jul  3 00:45:20 2019
From: Brad at trogdon.org (Brad Trogdon)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 20:45:20 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <e2c97d6d-52a3-3826-4a25-cade36c659fd@bryanfields.net>
References: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
 <CAKAuT6Yu58H3ryPPi4=zP6hgqCPTm1VXxtQHZi5f86A5dGN7FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <e2c97d6d-52a3-3826-4a25-cade36c659fd@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <CAKAuT6bzB5fzuoanivCf2nfPH1ERfaSCtGyL=HGKErgEPcrjEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Will respond to each point individually and will also post questions as
well.  Thanks for your engagement as this will help myself and other users
of AllStar distributions draw our own conclusions by being fully informed.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:03 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:

> On 7/2/19 4:54 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
> > Bryan Fields,
> >
> > Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> > AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> > HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
> form
> > of product, updates and support.
>
> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
> much
> from it.  HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
> engaged
> in criminal copyright infringement against this community.  This is
> trampling
> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
>

Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I
feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
version.  To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
don?t see occurring.

How are developers and users being negatively impacted?  I see nothing but
users and developers benefiting.


> Do you condone this?


>From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
yes.  I don?t see anyone being deprived.  I appreciate their hard work and
constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
opportunity.


>
> > I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other
> than
> > Amateur applications as well.
>
> Please name and shame them.  Using John David/Inttek code certainly
> exposes a
> commercial entity to action of copyright infringement.  If it's knowingly
> using it, it's a crime.


Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool.  GMRS for example how would
that group be shamed?  Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
private networks in the Amateur community.  Is this not in the spirit of
the applications creator?


>
> > If the complaint were the first I would think that it?s an anomaly but
> > their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and
> > inability to connect to others.  Got that you have a tool but does the
> tool
> > provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues
> > connecting to others.
>
> There's not a problem with it, no one is complaining, other than John David
> McGough.
>
> I beg to differ.  You should review the HamVoIP archives and you will see
> a steady stream of folks having issues that request and receive assistance
> in resolving  their nodes connectivity issues. Why are the folks asking
> others for assistance?  Could it be that they are not getting it elsewhere?



> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
> are
> > providing a service to the community at large.
>
> What service is he providing?  What is he contributing if he's unable to
> abide
> by the basic tenets of the community?


I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.  Not
sure whom created it but the SuperMon dashboard is a fantastic feature.
The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
to a HOA?  Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
disgruntled HOA members.  I as a user have the option to choose. I
obviously chose an enhanced and feature rich version whom has a large
community that provides support and guidance.  The package is user friendly
to even those non Linux folks.  Heck I figured it out.

Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

-Brad


>
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
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From k7ilo1 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 00:53:40 2019
From: k7ilo1 at gmail.com (Harold Kinchelow)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 00:53:40 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAKAuT6bzB5fzuoanivCf2nfPH1ERfaSCtGyL=HGKErgEPcrjEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
 <CAKAuT6Yu58H3ryPPi4=zP6hgqCPTm1VXxtQHZi5f86A5dGN7FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <e2c97d6d-52a3-3826-4a25-cade36c659fd@bryanfields.net>,
 <CAKAuT6bzB5fzuoanivCf2nfPH1ERfaSCtGyL=HGKErgEPcrjEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR18MB26256DDC38DCB2CB66520E3EF9FB0@BN8PR18MB2625.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

What in heck has our hobby come to?

VIA Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS

________________________________
From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of Brad Trogdon <brad at trogdon.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:45 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Will respond to each point individually and will also post questions as well.  Thanks for your engagement as this will help myself and other users of AllStar distributions draw our own conclusions by being fully informed.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:03 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net<mailto:Bryan at bryanfields.net>> wrote:
On 7/2/19 4:54 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
> Bryan Fields,
>
> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the form
> of product, updates and support.

HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen much
from it.  HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is engaged
in criminal copyright infringement against this community.  This is trampling
on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.

Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich version.  To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I don?t see occurring.

How are developers and users being negatively impacted?  I see nothing but users and developers benefiting.


Do you condone this?

>From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software, yes.  I don?t see anyone being deprived.  I appreciate their hard work and constant support to where I personally have donated when given the opportunity.



> I have witnessed support to folks whom are using the product in other than
> Amateur applications as well.

Please name and shame them.  Using John David/Inttek code certainly exposes a
commercial entity to action of copyright infringement.  If it's knowingly
using it, it's a crime.

Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool.  GMRS for example how would that group be shamed?  Their are individuals whom use this for personal and private networks in the Amateur community.  Is this not in the spirit of the applications creator?



> If the complaint were the first I would think that it?s an anomaly but
> their is a significant number of users complaining about registration and
> inability to connect to others.  Got that you have a tool but does the tool
> provide feedback that is a benefit to those actually having issues
> connecting to others.

There's not a problem with it, no one is complaining, other than John David
McGough.

I beg to differ.  You should review the HamVoIP archives and you will see a steady stream of folks having issues that request and receive assistance in resolving  their nodes connectivity issues. Why are the folks asking others for assistance?  Could it be that they are not getting it elsewhere?


> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who are
> providing a service to the community at large.

What service is he providing?  What is he contributing if he's unable to abide
by the basic tenets of the community?

I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.  Not sure whom created it but the SuperMon dashboard is a fantastic feature.  The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared to a HOA?  Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of disgruntled HOA members.  I as a user have the option to choose. I obviously chose an enhanced and feature rich version whom has a large community that provides support and guidance.  The package is user friendly to even those non Linux folks.  Heck I figured it out.

Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

-Brad



--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Wed Jul  3 12:06:44 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAKAuT6bzB5fzuoanivCf2nfPH1ERfaSCtGyL=HGKErgEPcrjEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
 <CAKAuT6Yu58H3ryPPi4=zP6hgqCPTm1VXxtQHZi5f86A5dGN7FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <e2c97d6d-52a3-3826-4a25-cade36c659fd@bryanfields.net>
 <CAKAuT6bzB5fzuoanivCf2nfPH1ERfaSCtGyL=HGKErgEPcrjEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0@bryanfields.net>

On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

>>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>> form
>>> of product, updates and support.

Post the source.  Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.

The better question; what does he have to hide?

>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>> much
>> from it.  HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>> engaged
>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community.  This is
>> trampling
>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
>>
> 
> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I
> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> version.  To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
> don?t see occurring.

AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version
2.  You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
give them the same rights you have.  If you don't you have no right to it.

John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
license, and has failed to cure this.  He has no right to distribute it, and
people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.

> How are developers and users being negatively impacted?  I see nothing but
> users and developers benefiting.

He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code.
 This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.

>> Do you condone this?
> 
> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
> yes.  I don?t see anyone being deprived.  

Produce the source, it's a legal requirement.  I'd love to audit his code in
something more than a disassembler.

> I appreciate their hard work and
> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> opportunity.

All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name.  Is this
hard?  Certainly not.

Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?

> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool.  GMRS for example how would
> that group be shamed?  Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
> private networks in the Amateur community.  Is this not in the spirit of
> the applications creator?

It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires
the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.
If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.  I
won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on
the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.

>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>> are
>>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>
>> What service is he providing?  What is he contributing if he's unable to
>> abide
>> by the basic tenets of the community?
> 
> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.

He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.  It's sad.

> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
> to a HOA?  

I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on
freely sharing ideas and improvements.  At the center of this is the GPL and
it dictates the minimum requirements of this community.  HamVoIP has turned
their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.

You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
cheering it.  What is _wrong_ with you?

> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> disgruntled HOA members.  I as a user have the option to choose.

You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman.  What more can I
say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.

> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

Your unable to ping it?  Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your
computer.

I'm done with you.  Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From Brad at trogdon.org  Wed Jul  3 16:15:20 2019
From: Brad at trogdon.org (Brad Trogdon)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:15:20 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0@bryanfields.net>
References: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
 <CAKAuT6Yu58H3ryPPi4=zP6hgqCPTm1VXxtQHZi5f86A5dGN7FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <e2c97d6d-52a3-3826-4a25-cade36c659fd@bryanfields.net>
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Source - legal - or matters??   You forgot to detail what brings us to this
thread.  ?Works!! ?

You are obviously a very bitter and sad person.  I can understand why their
is a max exodus to a friendly, supportive and reliable version.  Thank you
for your time and reinforcing any doubts that I may have chosen the correct
flavor to proceed with.

To be clear I have not paid anyone for software. I have however donated to
show my support for their efforts as I do with fellow repeater owners and
groups whom provide services to which I partake.

If the individual you are pursuing has single handedly contributed the
volumes he has you should concede and follow his lead.  He has obviously
surpassed your ability. With your passion and his get-it-done could one
only imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena?

Not that little oh me matters but you should concentrate on your version
and what you want it to be.  Provide support and most importantly a
consumer friendly solution and I promise folks will use it.  But to stomp
you feet and yell will do nothing but form unfavorable opinions and run
folks off.

To end this thread I want to say thank you to everyone that has helped me
along the way. Before this I knew zero Linux.  This is a hobby and a
learning experience to me.

Off to the teet.   With the elections soon approaching I feel our paths
will cross again.

Cya L8r Bye. ...





On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:06 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:

> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>
> >>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> >>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> >>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
> >> form
> >>> of product, updates and support.
>
> Post the source.  Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>
> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>
> >> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
> >> much
> >> from it.  HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
> >> engaged
> >> in criminal copyright infringement against this community.  This is
> >> trampling
> >> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
> reprehensible.
> >>
> >
> > Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP
> distribution I
> > feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> > version.  To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which
> I
> > don?t see occurring.
>
> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
> version
> 2.  You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
> give them the same rights you have.  If you don't you have no right to it.
>
> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
> license, and has failed to cure this.  He has no right to distribute it,
> and
> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>
> > How are developers and users being negatively impacted?  I see nothing
> but
> > users and developers benefiting.
>
> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
> code.
>  This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>
> >> Do you condone this?
> >
> > From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
> > yes.  I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>
> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement.  I'd love to audit his code
> in
> something more than a disassembler.
>
> > I appreciate their hard work and
> > constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> > opportunity.
>
> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name.  Is
> this
> hard?  Certainly not.
>
> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>
> > Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool.  GMRS for example how
> would
> > that group be shamed?  Their are individuals whom use this for personal
> and
> > private networks in the Amateur community.  Is this not in the spirit of
> > the applications creator?
>
> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
> requires
> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.
> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
> I
> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
> did on
> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
>
> >> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
> >> are
> >>> providing a service to the community at large.
> >>
> >> What service is he providing?  What is he contributing if he's unable to
> >> abide
> >> by the basic tenets of the community?
> >
> > I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>
> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.  It's
> sad.
>
> > The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> > the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
> > to a HOA?
>
> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
> on
> freely sharing ideas and improvements.  At the center of this is the GPL
> and
> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community.  HamVoIP has turned
> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>
> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
> cheering it.  What is _wrong_ with you?
>
> > Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> > and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> > disgruntled HOA members.  I as a user have the option to choose.
>
> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman.  What more
> can I
> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>
> > Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> > reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>
> Your unable to ping it?  Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
> your
> computer.
>
> I'm done with you.  Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
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From electricity440 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 17:57:47 2019
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:57:47 -0600
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <85bb2115-5202-282a-ddce-ba20b31b2fde@gmail.com>
References: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0@bryanfields.net>
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I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.

Why does the source matter?

The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
and modify things to make it better.

Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
ideas.

Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is crazy! I've never seen
>
> Bryan Fields so angry!
> Yes... I agree with him.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>
>
> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>
> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>
> form
>
> of product, updates and support.
>
>
> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>
> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>
> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
> much
> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
> engaged
> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
> trampling
> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
>
>
> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I
> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
> don?t see occurring.
>
>
> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
> version
> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>
> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and
> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>
> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
> users and developers benefiting.
>
>
> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
> code.
> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>
> Do you condone this?
>
>
> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>
>
> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in
> something more than a disassembler.
>
> I appreciate their hard work and
> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> opportunity.
>
>
> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
> this
> hard? Certainly not.
>
> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>
> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would
> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
> the applications creator?
>
>
> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
> requires
> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.
> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I
> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
> did on
> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
>
> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
> are
>
> providing a service to the community at large.
>
>
> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
> abide
> by the basic tenets of the community?
>
>
> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>
>
> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.
>
> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
> to a HOA?
>
>
> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
> on
> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and
> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned
> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>
> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>
> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>
>
> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can
> I
> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>
> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>
>
> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
> your
> computer.
>
> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
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From wb5eku at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 18:06:27 2019
From: wb5eku at gmail.com (Donald Jacob)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:06:27 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAJNyT0-f1kizGwDgf6nFSkwa0hkiWvTdnxB_ngjQ_CZZKK-WQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0@bryanfields.net>
 <85bb2115-5202-282a-ddce-ba20b31b2fde@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABCjCMCTs+O-cHSsHJ6=XMmwxO_w9aO4Un6oXSE=v1NhLft-7A@mail.gmail.com>

People,
this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we
don't want see this type of
bickering in our hobby.
Take it off list please.

WB5EKU


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
> source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
> are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
>
> Why does the source matter?
>
> The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
> and modify things to make it better.
>
> Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
> user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
> ideas.
>
> Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
> iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is crazy! I've never seen
>>
>> Bryan Fields so angry!
>> Yes... I agree with him.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
>> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>
>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>>
>> form
>>
>> of product, updates and support.
>>
>>
>> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>>
>> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>>
>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>> much
>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>> engaged
>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>> trampling
>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
>>
>>
>> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
>> I
>> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
>> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
>> don?t see occurring.
>>
>>
>> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
>> version
>> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
>> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>>
>> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
>> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
>> and
>> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>>
>> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
>> users and developers benefiting.
>>
>>
>> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
>> code.
>> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>>
>> Do you condone this?
>>
>>
>> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
>> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>>
>>
>> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
>> in
>> something more than a disassembler.
>>
>> I appreciate their hard work and
>> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
>> opportunity.
>>
>>
>> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
>> this
>> hard? Certainly not.
>>
>> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>>
>> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would
>> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
>> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
>> the applications creator?
>>
>>
>> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
>> requires
>> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
>> license.
>> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
>> I
>> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
>> did on
>> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
>> collaboration.
>>
>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>> are
>>
>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>
>>
>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>> abide
>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>>
>>
>> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>>
>>
>> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
>> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
>> sad.
>>
>> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
>> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
>> to a HOA?
>>
>>
>> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
>> on
>> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
>> and
>> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned
>> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>>
>> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
>> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>>
>> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
>> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
>> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>>
>>
>> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
>> can I
>> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>>
>> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
>> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>>
>>
>> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
>> your
>> computer.
>>
>> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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From ars.w5omr at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 19:04:42 2019
From: ars.w5omr at gmail.com (ARS W5OMR)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 14:04:42 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CABCjCMCTs+O-cHSsHJ6=XMmwxO_w9aO4Un6oXSE=v1NhLft-7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0@bryanfields.net>
 <85bb2115-5202-282a-ddce-ba20b31b2fde@gmail.com>
 <CAJNyT0-f1kizGwDgf6nFSkwa0hkiWvTdnxB_ngjQ_CZZKK-WQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABCjCMCTs+O-cHSsHJ6=XMmwxO_w9aO4Un6oXSE=v1NhLft-7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOhDOk3kQMPjHa4_jRoDNgsn3RWyqTmYdh9tWzg20zQNx1CqAg@mail.gmail.com>

I think it needs to be aired out completely. Doug Crompton and the rest of
the hamvoip ilk have stolen the code that Jim Duuuuuude (R.I.P.) wrote and
released into the open source world, and made their version proprietary for
*them*, and not releasing any code that THEY changed to the public, as is
open source policy.

I, personally, wouldn't mind seeing them hang for it.
Literally. Hang em, damn thieves!


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 13:07 Donald Jacob <wb5eku at gmail.com> wrote:

> People,
> this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we
> don't want see this type of
> bickering in our hobby.
> Take it off list please.
>
> WB5EKU
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
>> source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
>> are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
>>
>> Why does the source matter?
>>
>> The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to
>> experiment and modify things to make it better.
>>
>> Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
>> user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
>> ideas.
>>
>> Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
>> iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is crazy! I've never seen
>>>
>>> Bryan Fields so angry!
>>> Yes... I agree with him.
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
>>> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>>> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>>>
>>> form
>>>
>>> of product, updates and support.
>>>
>>>
>>> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>>>
>>> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>>>
>>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>>> much
>>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>>> engaged
>>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>>> trampling
>>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
>>> reprehensible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP
>>> distribution I
>>> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
>>> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
>>> don?t see occurring.
>>>
>>>
>>> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
>>> version
>>> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you
>>> must
>>> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>>>
>>> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
>>> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
>>> and
>>> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>>>
>>> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
>>> users and developers benefiting.
>>>
>>>
>>> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
>>> code.
>>> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>>>
>>> Do you condone this?
>>>
>>>
>>> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
>>> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>>>
>>>
>>> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
>>> in
>>> something more than a disassembler.
>>>
>>> I appreciate their hard work and
>>> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
>>> opportunity.
>>>
>>>
>>> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
>>> this
>>> hard? Certainly not.
>>>
>>> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>>>
>>> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how
>>> would
>>> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal
>>> and
>>> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
>>> the applications creator?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
>>> requires
>>> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
>>> license.
>>> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD
>>> licensed. I
>>> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
>>> did on
>>> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
>>> collaboration.
>>>
>>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>>> are
>>>
>>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>>
>>>
>>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>>> abide
>>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>>>
>>>
>>> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
>>> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
>>> sad.
>>>
>>> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
>>> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
>>> to a HOA?
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is
>>> based on
>>> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
>>> and
>>> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has
>>> turned
>>> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>>>
>>> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
>>> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>>>
>>> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
>>> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
>>> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>>>
>>>
>>> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
>>> can I
>>> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>>>
>>> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
>>> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>>>
>>>
>>> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
>>> your
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan Fields
>>>
>>> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From cnovey at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 19:26:32 2019
From: cnovey at gmail.com (cnovey at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:26:32 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAKAuT6aFetpNi9LCyFYW0pnLwMg8QJmYK1L+e7=BhvHsh=07Zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0b374f3-33f7-7292-11aa-693d284ad63b@bryanfields.net>
 <CAKAuT6Yu58H3ryPPi4=zP6hgqCPTm1VXxtQHZi5f86A5dGN7FA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hamvoip does not participate in a ?true collaborative arena? as the actual author of the software intended. They locked (stole) open source code and prevent others from contributing. Until they do what is right and open the code as was intended by the original author, I will not use their version. 

 

Open source projects are OPEN for all to examine and improve. I am always excited to find a new and useful open source project because I know that the community is working together- for both improvements AND watching out for security risks and mal-intent. If Linux was not open source we could all be paying per copy.

 

I encourage everyone to check out this article that outlines some of the benefits and reasons why keeping something open source AS INTENDED is so important and beneficial.

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/209891/10_reasons_open_source_is_good_for_business.html

 

73, 

Clifford

KK6QMS

 

From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Brad Trogdon
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 9:15 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

 

??imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena??

 

 

 

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From gravesb at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 19:35:08 2019
From: gravesb at gmail.com (Brian G)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:35:08 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAJNyT0-f1kizGwDgf6nFSkwa0hkiWvTdnxB_ngjQ_CZZKK-WQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0@bryanfields.net>
 <85bb2115-5202-282a-ddce-ba20b31b2fde@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHhhW28D_eoOPk=awphxbgQ_zA2SijJ054jxtV3SeNx4XdA7Hw@mail.gmail.com>

Well I don't really have a dog in this race but since my inbox is full of
this right now, here goes...

Anyone who thinks there's nothing wrong with what the Hamvoip team has done
doesn't understand the GPL and what open source means.

The Hamvoip website claims their product is open source. When you ask for a
link to the source code you get angry diatribes and accusations instead of
a Github link.

If they truly wanted to collaborate, they could have contributed to the
already open code base and made AllStar better. Instead one guy had a fit,
took other people's work, slapped their own branding on it and won't
release the source for any changes that have been made. Now they're turning
it into a commercial product by charging money for a service that is based
on stolen software.

This is 110% in violation of the terms laid out in the GPL... which anyone
who releases modified GPL software is required to adhere to. What is there
to hide? Release the source.

That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.

73 to all,
Brian - VA3DXV


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 PM Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
> source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
> are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
>
> Why does the source matter?
>
> The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
> and modify things to make it better.
>
> Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
> user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
> ideas.
>
> Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
> iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is crazy! I've never seen
>>
>> Bryan Fields so angry!
>> Yes... I agree with him.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
>> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>
>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>>
>> form
>>
>> of product, updates and support.
>>
>>
>> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>>
>> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>>
>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>> much
>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>> engaged
>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>> trampling
>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
>>
>>
>> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
>> I
>> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
>> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
>> don?t see occurring.
>>
>>
>> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
>> version
>> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
>> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>>
>> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
>> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
>> and
>> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>>
>> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
>> users and developers benefiting.
>>
>>
>> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
>> code.
>> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>>
>> Do you condone this?
>>
>>
>> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
>> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>>
>>
>> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
>> in
>> something more than a disassembler.
>>
>> I appreciate their hard work and
>> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
>> opportunity.
>>
>>
>> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
>> this
>> hard? Certainly not.
>>
>> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>>
>> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would
>> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
>> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
>> the applications creator?
>>
>>
>> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
>> requires
>> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
>> license.
>> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
>> I
>> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
>> did on
>> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
>> collaboration.
>>
>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>> are
>>
>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>
>>
>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>> abide
>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>>
>>
>> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>>
>>
>> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
>> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
>> sad.
>>
>> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
>> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
>> to a HOA?
>>
>>
>> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
>> on
>> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
>> and
>> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned
>> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>>
>> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
>> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>>
>> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
>> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
>> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>>
>>
>> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
>> can I
>> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>>
>> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
>> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>>
>>
>> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
>> your
>> computer.
>>
>> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
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From willem at prinmath.com  Wed Jul  3 19:58:33 2019
From: willem at prinmath.com (Willem Schreuder)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:58:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAHhhW28D_eoOPk=awphxbgQ_zA2SijJ054jxtV3SeNx4XdA7Hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0@bryanfields.net>
 <85bb2115-5202-282a-ddce-ba20b31b2fde@gmail.com>
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:

> That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
> issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
> project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.

I really don't like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires 
the community to point out violations.  In ham radio we only rely on the 
FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure.

A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams) 
are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds 
the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law.

73 -Willem AC0KQ

================================================================
Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
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From wb6egr at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 20:02:36 2019
From: wb6egr at gmail.com (Kirk Just Kirk)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:02:36 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.21.1907031352060.20271@akela.prinmath.com>
References: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0@bryanfields.net>
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Wow....what ever happened to "it works so well".....the rest of us that are
not interested in the political end of things sure as hell don't want to
throw a wrench into the works. everyone has contributed to this effort....I
think Jim would be proud of it's progression. Towards the end he was very
busy with other things.....Allstar has made great progress...both sides of
the fence

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 12:58 PM Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:
>
> > That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
> > issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
> > project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to
> start.
>
> I really don't like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires
> the community to point out violations.  In ham radio we only rely on the
> FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure.
>
> A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams)
> are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds
> the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law.
>
> 73 -Willem AC0KQ
>
> ================================================================
> Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
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From rhyolite at leikhim.com  Wed Jul  3 20:23:39 2019
From: rhyolite at leikhim.com (Joe Leikhim)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 16:23:39 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
Message-ID: <37509b75-6a41-1795-9268-e4707f9108c5@leikhim.com>

I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may 
in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the 
world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the 
courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at 
Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is 
the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who 
specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this 
makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.

So who really has legal standing here?

-- 
Joe Leikhim


Leikhim and Associates

Communications Consultants

Oviedo, Florida

JLeikhim at Leikhim.com

407-982-0446

WWW.LEIKHIM.COM



From wb6egr at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 20:42:07 2019
From: wb6egr at gmail.com (Kirk Just Kirk)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:42:07 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <37509b75-6a41-1795-9268-e4707f9108c5@leikhim.com>
References: <37509b75-6a41-1795-9268-e4707f9108c5@leikhim.com>
Message-ID: <CAPN8drxaQC5k2bX6Q3iF2r0aOmqTuT5A=TJRGare6q-d9iKF1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Make it a technical battle...which variety can be the most feature
laden......

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:24 PM Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com> wrote:

> I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
> in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
> Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
> the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
> specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
> makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
>
> So who really has legal standing here?
>
> --
> Joe Leikhim
>
>
> Leikhim and Associates
>
> Communications Consultants
>
> Oviedo, Florida
>
> JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
>
> 407-982-0446
>
> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>
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From km6toa at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 20:53:13 2019
From: km6toa at gmail.com (Matthew Simmons)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:53:13 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAPN8drxaQC5k2bX6Q3iF2r0aOmqTuT5A=TJRGare6q-d9iKF1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37509b75-6a41-1795-9268-e4707f9108c5@leikhim.com>
 <CAPN8drxaQC5k2bX6Q3iF2r0aOmqTuT5A=TJRGare6q-d9iKF1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAAggjErWvPW3PhizcQPwg9OZ0iM+Hq-B6rk-L-q33bVsQkQOw@mail.gmail.com>

This is embarrassing. Do your dirty laundry in private.

KM6TOA
Node 49245

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:42 PM Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Make it a technical battle...which variety can be the most feature
> laden......
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:24 PM Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
>> in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
>> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
>> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
>> Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
>> the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
>> specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
>> makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
>>
>> So who really has legal standing here?
>>
>> --
>> Joe Leikhim
>>
>>
>> Leikhim and Associates
>>
>> Communications Consultants
>>
>> Oviedo, Florida
>>
>> JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
>>
>> 407-982-0446
>>
>> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 01:05:46 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:05:46 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAAAggjErWvPW3PhizcQPwg9OZ0iM+Hq-B6rk-L-q33bVsQkQOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37509b75-6a41-1795-9268-e4707f9108c5@leikhim.com>
 <CAPN8drxaQC5k2bX6Q3iF2r0aOmqTuT5A=TJRGare6q-d9iKF1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAAggjErWvPW3PhizcQPwg9OZ0iM+Hq-B6rk-L-q33bVsQkQOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwqU7XeXoLpP=cH6kJ3hdcXDMC1MZpL+N17634oYwtzWAA@mail.gmail.com>

My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It is
already in private, Private communication between the people that have
business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of that
thing.

Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source are
exactly for that.

It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into
moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..
this would not even be far fetched.

There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry if
it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..

It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries with
dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The main
programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept the
IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.

We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
upgrading that software..

But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.

Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
cant have nice things..

Pierre
VE2PF

P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
thing that could happen to allstarlink.





Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 ? 16:53, Matthew Simmons <km6toa at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> This is embarrassing. Do your dirty laundry in private.
>
> KM6TOA
> Node 49245
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:42 PM Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Make it a technical battle...which variety can be the most feature
>> laden......
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:24 PM Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
>>> in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
>>> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
>>> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
>>> Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
>>> the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
>>> specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
>>> makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
>>>
>>> So who really has legal standing here?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joe Leikhim
>>>
>>>
>>> Leikhim and Associates
>>>
>>> Communications Consultants
>>>
>>> Oviedo, Florida
>>>
>>> JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
>>>
>>> 407-982-0446
>>>
>>> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
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From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Thu Jul  4 03:06:56 2019
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:06:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwqU7XeXoLpP=cH6kJ3hdcXDMC1MZpL+N17634oYwtzWAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907032247290.7760-100000@goliath.inttek.net>



You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.  
This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
the Sun even more.

A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot 
from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry 
Pi cluster, leading to world domination.


....LMAO....


73, David KB4FXC


On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:

> My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It is
> already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of that
> thing.
> 
> Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
> could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
> the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source are
> exactly for that.
> 
> It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into
> moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..
> this would not even be far fetched.
> 
> There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry if
> it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
> telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
> is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> 
> It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries with
> dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The main
> programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept the
> IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
> still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> 
> We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> upgrading that software..
> 
> But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
> 
> Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> cant have nice things..
> 
> Pierre
> VE2PF
> 
> P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
> thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> 



From petem001 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 03:10:04 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:10:04 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907032247290.7760-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <CAL8dJwqU7XeXoLpP=cH6kJ3hdcXDMC1MZpL+N17634oYwtzWAA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907032247290.7760-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwpGqksT3Fr29XOnQLHXSvBX8nOA0+OhL4+R7txmvhoTYg@mail.gmail.com>

You can have good laugh, but can you prove me wrong?

;-)

Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 ? 23:07, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> a ?crit :

>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It
> is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
> that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source
> are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
> into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
> half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry
> if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
> with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
> main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept
> the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
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From asylthe at kc9ona.com  Thu Jul  4 08:41:05 2019
From: asylthe at kc9ona.com (Andrew Sylthe)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 03:41:05 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907032247290.7760-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <CAL8dJwqU7XeXoLpP=cH6kJ3hdcXDMC1MZpL+N17634oYwtzWAA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907032247290.7760-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <CAMbt3dsV+0EH85R2pC4kOsMoiF+dzTSEsRoG_VHXoeU7hHjtfg@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, fun and games, but you won't release the source, correct?

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:

>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It
> is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
> that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source
> are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
> into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
> half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry
> if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
> with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
> main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept
> the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lengriff at optimum.net  Thu Jul  4 13:31:59 2019
From: lengriff at optimum.net (Len Griffin)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 09:31:59 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 125, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1562241601.22138.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
References: <mailman.1.1562241601.22138.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
Message-ID: <000401d5326c$db3889b0$91a99d10$@optimum.net>

My Personal Experience / Thoughts

When I began learning Allstar and Linux, I became very confused. Looking for
answers using my browser, I was constantly getting conflicting information.
After some time, I became more aware that there were TWO separate AllStar
systems in place, and they did NOT work the same? This severely delayed my
initial progress, and continues to hinder, not help, new hams looking to
learn. I am very angry that this is allowed to continue. How are we to learn
if there are different answers to the same question? There MUST be ONE
answer, and ONE AllStar. Thank you Jim Dixon for your incredible programming
skill and OPENLY sharing it with us!
Doug Crompton is obviously skilled as well, and has proven that. Doug, why
not be proud of your accomplishment, comply with the LAW and share the
source code? What seems to be the problem? We ALL lose by being divided. I'm
late to this game, so I do not know what the history of this issue is. The
LAW says the initial code is OPEN SOURCE, available to anyone. Out of
RESPECT for Jim, WB6NIL, and his collaboration with Mark Spencer on
developing Asterisk, along with his work with Steve Rodgers, WA6ZFT,
developing app_rpt, I will ALWAYS use the OFFICIAL AllStar.



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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
Message-ID: <99ccdd2e-7e2c-371a-395f-bc937f41f5c0 at bryanfields.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

>>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>> form
>>> of product, updates and support.

Post the source.  Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.

The better question; what does he have to hide?

>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>> much
>> from it.  HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>> engaged
>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community.  This is
>> trampling
>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
reprehensible.
>>
> 
> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
I
> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> version.  To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
> don?t see occurring.

AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
version
2.  You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
give them the same rights you have.  If you don't you have no right to it.

John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
license, and has failed to cure this.  He has no right to distribute it, and
people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.

> How are developers and users being negatively impacted?  I see nothing but
> users and developers benefiting.

He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
code.
 This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.

>> Do you condone this?
> 
> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
> yes.  I don?t see anyone being deprived.  

Produce the source, it's a legal requirement.  I'd love to audit his code in
something more than a disassembler.

> I appreciate their hard work and
> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> opportunity.

All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name.  Is
this
hard?  Certainly not.

Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?

> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool.  GMRS for example how
would
> that group be shamed?  Their are individuals whom use this for personal
and
> private networks in the Amateur community.  Is this not in the spirit of
> the applications creator?

It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
requires
the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.
If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.  I
won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did
on
the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.

>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>> are
>>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>
>> What service is he providing?  What is he contributing if he's unable to
>> abide
>> by the basic tenets of the community?
> 
> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.

He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.  It's sad.

> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
> to a HOA?  

I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on
freely sharing ideas and improvements.  At the center of this is the GPL and
it dictates the minimum requirements of this community.  HamVoIP has turned
their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.

You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
cheering it.  What is _wrong_ with you?

> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> disgruntled HOA members.  I as a user have the option to choose.

You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman.  What more can
I
say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.

> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

Your unable to ping it?  Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
your
computer.

I'm done with you.  Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:15:20 -0400
From: Brad Trogdon <Brad at trogdon.org>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
Message-ID:
	<CAKAuT6aFetpNi9LCyFYW0pnLwMg8QJmYK1L+e7=BhvHsh=07Zg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Source - legal - or matters??   You forgot to detail what brings us to this
thread.  ?Works!! ?

You are obviously a very bitter and sad person.  I can understand why their
is a max exodus to a friendly, supportive and reliable version.  Thank you
for your time and reinforcing any doubts that I may have chosen the correct
flavor to proceed with.

To be clear I have not paid anyone for software. I have however donated to
show my support for their efforts as I do with fellow repeater owners and
groups whom provide services to which I partake.

If the individual you are pursuing has single handedly contributed the
volumes he has you should concede and follow his lead.  He has obviously
surpassed your ability. With your passion and his get-it-done could one
only imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena?

Not that little oh me matters but you should concentrate on your version
and what you want it to be.  Provide support and most importantly a
consumer friendly solution and I promise folks will use it.  But to stomp
you feet and yell will do nothing but form unfavorable opinions and run
folks off.

To end this thread I want to say thank you to everyone that has helped me
along the way. Before this I knew zero Linux.  This is a hobby and a
learning experience to me.

Off to the teet.   With the elections soon approaching I feel our paths
will cross again.

Cya L8r Bye. ...





On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:06 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:

> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>
> >>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> >>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> >>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
> >> form
> >>> of product, updates and support.
>
> Post the source.  Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>
> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>
> >> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has
stolen
> >> much
> >> from it.  HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
> >> engaged
> >> in criminal copyright infringement against this community.  This is
> >> trampling
> >> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
> reprehensible.
> >>
> >
> > Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP
> distribution I
> > feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> > version.  To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which
> I
> > don?t see occurring.
>
> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
> version
> 2.  You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you
must
> give them the same rights you have.  If you don't you have no right to it.
>
> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
> license, and has failed to cure this.  He has no right to distribute it,
> and
> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>
> > How are developers and users being negatively impacted?  I see nothing
> but
> > users and developers benefiting.
>
> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
> code.
>  This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>
> >> Do you condone this?
> >
> > From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich
software,
> > yes.  I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>
> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement.  I'd love to audit his code
> in
> something more than a disassembler.
>
> > I appreciate their hard work and
> > constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> > opportunity.
>
> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name.  Is
> this
> hard?  Certainly not.
>
> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>
> > Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool.  GMRS for example how
> would
> > that group be shamed?  Their are individuals whom use this for personal
> and
> > private networks in the Amateur community.  Is this not in the spirit of
> > the applications creator?
>
> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
> requires
> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
license.
> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
> I
> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
> did on
> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
collaboration.
>
> >> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
> >> are
> >>> providing a service to the community at large.
> >>
> >> What service is he providing?  What is he contributing if he's unable
to
> >> abide
> >> by the basic tenets of the community?
> >
> > I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>
> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.  It's
> sad.
>
> > The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> > the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be
compared
> > to a HOA?
>
> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
> on
> freely sharing ideas and improvements.  At the center of this is the GPL
> and
> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community.  HamVoIP has
turned
> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>
> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
> cheering it.  What is _wrong_ with you?
>
> > Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> > and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> > disgruntled HOA members.  I as a user have the option to choose.
>
> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman.  What more
> can I
> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>
> > Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> > reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>
> Your unable to ping it?  Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
> your
> computer.
>
> I'm done with you.  Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:57:47 -0600
From: Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.

Why does the source matter?

The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
and modify things to make it better.

Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
ideas.

Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is crazy! I've never seen
>
> Bryan Fields so angry!
> Yes... I agree with him.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>
>
> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>
> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>
> form
>
> of product, updates and support.
>
>
> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>
> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>
> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
> much
> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
> engaged
> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
> trampling
> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
>
>
> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
I
> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
> don?t see occurring.
>
>
> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
> version
> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>
> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
and
> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>
> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
> users and developers benefiting.
>
>
> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
> code.
> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>
> Do you condone this?
>
>
> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>
>
> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
in
> something more than a disassembler.
>
> I appreciate their hard work and
> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> opportunity.
>
>
> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
> this
> hard? Certainly not.
>
> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>
> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would
> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
> the applications creator?
>
>
> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
> requires
> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
license.
> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
I
> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
> did on
> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
collaboration.
>
> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
> are
>
> providing a service to the community at large.
>
>
> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
> abide
> by the basic tenets of the community?
>
>
> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>
>
> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
sad.
>
> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
> to a HOA?
>
>
> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
> on
> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
and
> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned
> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>
> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>
> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>
>
> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can
> I
> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>
> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>
>
> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
> your
> computer.
>
> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:06:27 -0700
From: Donald Jacob <wb5eku at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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People,
this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we
don't want see this type of
bickering in our hobby.
Take it off list please.

WB5EKU


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
> source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
> are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
>
> Why does the source matter?
>
> The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
> and modify things to make it better.
>
> Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
> user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
> ideas.
>
> Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
> iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is crazy! I've never seen
>>
>> Bryan Fields so angry!
>> Yes... I agree with him.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
>> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>
>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>>
>> form
>>
>> of product, updates and support.
>>
>>
>> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>>
>> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>>
>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>> much
>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>> engaged
>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>> trampling
>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
reprehensible.
>>
>>
>> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
>> I
>> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
>> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
>> don?t see occurring.
>>
>>
>> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
>> version
>> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you
must
>> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>>
>> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
>> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
>> and
>> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>>
>> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
>> users and developers benefiting.
>>
>>
>> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
>> code.
>> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>>
>> Do you condone this?
>>
>>
>> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
>> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>>
>>
>> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
>> in
>> something more than a disassembler.
>>
>> I appreciate their hard work and
>> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
>> opportunity.
>>
>>
>> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
>> this
>> hard? Certainly not.
>>
>> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>>
>> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how
would
>> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal
and
>> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
>> the applications creator?
>>
>>
>> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
>> requires
>> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
>> license.
>> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
>> I
>> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
>> did on
>> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
>> collaboration.
>>
>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>> are
>>
>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>
>>
>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>> abide
>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>>
>>
>> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>>
>>
>> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
>> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
>> sad.
>>
>> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
>> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
>> to a HOA?
>>
>>
>> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
>> on
>> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
>> and
>> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has
turned
>> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>>
>> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
>> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>>
>> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
>> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
>> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>>
>>
>> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
>> can I
>> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>>
>> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
>> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>>
>>
>> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
>> your
>> computer.
>>
>> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 14:04:42 -0500
From: ARS W5OMR <ars.w5omr at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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I think it needs to be aired out completely. Doug Crompton and the rest of
the hamvoip ilk have stolen the code that Jim Duuuuuude (R.I.P.) wrote and
released into the open source world, and made their version proprietary for
*them*, and not releasing any code that THEY changed to the public, as is
open source policy.

I, personally, wouldn't mind seeing them hang for it.
Literally. Hang em, damn thieves!


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 13:07 Donald Jacob <wb5eku at gmail.com> wrote:

> People,
> this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we
> don't want see this type of
> bickering in our hobby.
> Take it off list please.
>
> WB5EKU
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
>> source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because
many
>> are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
>>
>> Why does the source matter?
>>
>> The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to
>> experiment and modify things to make it better.
>>
>> Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
>> user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
>> ideas.
>>
>> Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
>> iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is crazy! I've never seen
>>>
>>> Bryan Fields so angry!
>>> Yes... I agree with him.
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
>>> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>>> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>>>
>>> form
>>>
>>> of product, updates and support.
>>>
>>>
>>> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>>>
>>> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>>>
>>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>>> much
>>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>>> engaged
>>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>>> trampling
>>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
>>> reprehensible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP
>>> distribution I
>>> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
>>> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which
I
>>> don?t see occurring.
>>>
>>>
>>> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
>>> version
>>> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you
>>> must
>>> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to
it.
>>>
>>> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
>>> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
>>> and
>>> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>>>
>>> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing
but
>>> users and developers benefiting.
>>>
>>>
>>> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
>>> code.
>>> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>>>
>>> Do you condone this?
>>>
>>>
>>> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich
software,
>>> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>>>
>>>
>>> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
>>> in
>>> something more than a disassembler.
>>>
>>> I appreciate their hard work and
>>> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
>>> opportunity.
>>>
>>>
>>> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
>>> this
>>> hard? Certainly not.
>>>
>>> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>>>
>>> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how
>>> would
>>> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal
>>> and
>>> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
>>> the applications creator?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
>>> requires
>>> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
>>> license.
>>> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD
>>> licensed. I
>>> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
>>> did on
>>> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
>>> collaboration.
>>>
>>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>>> are
>>>
>>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>>
>>>
>>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>>> abide
>>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>>>
>>>
>>> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and
has
>>> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
>>> sad.
>>>
>>> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
>>> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be
compared
>>> to a HOA?
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is
>>> based on
>>> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
>>> and
>>> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has
>>> turned
>>> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>>>
>>> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
>>> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>>>
>>> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
>>> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
>>> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>>>
>>>
>>> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
>>> can I
>>> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>>>
>>> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
>>> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>>>
>>>
>>> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
>>> your
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan Fields
>>>
>>> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing
listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:26:32 -0700
From: <cnovey at gmail.com>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
	<app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Hamvoip does not participate in a ?true collaborative arena? as the actual
author of the software intended. They locked (stole) open source code and
prevent others from contributing. Until they do what is right and open the
code as was intended by the original author, I will not use their version. 

 

Open source projects are OPEN for all to examine and improve. I am always
excited to find a new and useful open source project because I know that the
community is working together- for both improvements AND watching out for
security risks and mal-intent. If Linux was not open source we could all be
paying per copy.

 

I encourage everyone to check out this article that outlines some of the
benefits and reasons why keeping something open source AS INTENDED is so
important and beneficial.

 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/209891/10_reasons_open_source_is_good_for_bu
siness.html

 

73, 

Clifford

KK6QMS

 

From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf
Of Brad Trogdon
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 9:15 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

 

??imagine what would be possible in a true collaborative arena??

 

 

 

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:35:08 -0400
From: Brian G <gravesb at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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	<CAHhhW28D_eoOPk=awphxbgQ_zA2SijJ054jxtV3SeNx4XdA7Hw at mail.gmail.com>
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Well I don't really have a dog in this race but since my inbox is full of
this right now, here goes...

Anyone who thinks there's nothing wrong with what the Hamvoip team has done
doesn't understand the GPL and what open source means.

The Hamvoip website claims their product is open source. When you ask for a
link to the source code you get angry diatribes and accusations instead of
a Github link.

If they truly wanted to collaborate, they could have contributed to the
already open code base and made AllStar better. Instead one guy had a fit,
took other people's work, slapped their own branding on it and won't
release the source for any changes that have been made. Now they're turning
it into a commercial product by charging money for a service that is based
on stolen software.

This is 110% in violation of the terms laid out in the GPL... which anyone
who releases modified GPL software is required to adhere to. What is there
to hide? Release the source.

That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.

73 to all,
Brian - VA3DXV


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:58 PM Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel like many people on this list don?t understand the relevance of
> source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
> are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.
>
> Why does the source matter?
>
> The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
> and modify things to make it better.
>
> Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
> user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
> ideas.
>
> Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
> iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is crazy! I've never seen
>>
>> Bryan Fields so angry!
>> Yes... I agree with him.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
>> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>>
>> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
>> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
>> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>>
>> form
>>
>> of product, updates and support.
>>
>>
>> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>>
>> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>>
>> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
>> much
>> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
>> engaged
>> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
>> trampling
>> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
reprehensible.
>>
>>
>> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution
>> I
>> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
>> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
>> don?t see occurring.
>>
>>
>> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
>> version
>> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you
must
>> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>>
>> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
>> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it,
>> and
>> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>>
>> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
>> users and developers benefiting.
>>
>>
>> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
>> code.
>> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>>
>> Do you condone this?
>>
>>
>> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
>> yes. I don?t see anyone being deprived.
>>
>>
>> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code
>> in
>> something more than a disassembler.
>>
>> I appreciate their hard work and
>> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
>> opportunity.
>>
>>
>> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
>> this
>> hard? Certainly not.
>>
>> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>>
>> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how
would
>> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal
and
>> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
>> the applications creator?
>>
>>
>> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
>> requires
>> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
>> license.
>> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed.
>> I
>> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
>> did on
>> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
>> collaboration.
>>
>> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
>> are
>>
>> providing a service to the community at large.
>>
>>
>> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
>> abide
>> by the basic tenets of the community?
>>
>>
>> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>>
>>
>> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
>> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's
>> sad.
>>
>> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
>> the ?Community? are you referring to a small group that could be compared
>> to a HOA?
>>
>>
>> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
>> on
>> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL
>> and
>> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has
turned
>> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>>
>> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
>> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>>
>> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
>> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
>> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>>
>>
>> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more
>> can I
>> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>>
>> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
>> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>>
>>
>> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
>> your
>> computer.
>>
>> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing
listApp_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.orghttp://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/
mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:58:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:

> That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
> issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
> project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to start.

I really don't like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires 
the community to point out violations.  In ham radio we only rely on the 
FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure.

A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams) 
are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds 
the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law.

73 -Willem AC0KQ

================================================================
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Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:02:36 -0700
From: Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Wow....what ever happened to "it works so well".....the rest of us that are
not interested in the political end of things sure as hell don't want to
throw a wrench into the works. everyone has contributed to this effort....I
think Jim would be proud of it's progression. Towards the end he was very
busy with other things.....Allstar has made great progress...both sides of
the fence

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 12:58 PM Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Brian G wrote:
>
> > That being said, I respectfully think there's better ways to address the
> > issue than whats being done currently. Has anyone on the AllStarLink
> > project been in contact with the EFF? That might be a good place to
> start.
>
> I really don't like the name calling, but in the end Open Source requires
> the community to point out violations.  In ham radio we only rely on the
> FCC to go after those bad actors that do not respond to resonable censure.
>
> A number of leading figures in the OSS movement (some of whom are hams)
> are aware of what is going on, but it may come down to Digium who holds
> the copyright to Asterisk to lay down the law.
>
> 73 -Willem AC0KQ
>
> ================================================================
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> Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 16:23:39 -0400
From: Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may 
in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the 
world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the 
courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at 
Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is 
the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who 
specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this 
makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.

So who really has legal standing here?

-- 
Joe Leikhim


Leikhim and Associates

Communications Consultants

Oviedo, Florida

JLeikhim at Leikhim.com

407-982-0446

WWW.LEIKHIM.COM



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:42:07 -0700
From: Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Make it a technical battle...which variety can be the most feature
laden......

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:24 PM Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com> wrote:

> I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
> in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
> Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
> the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
> specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
> makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
>
> So who really has legal standing here?
>
> --
> Joe Leikhim
>
>
> Leikhim and Associates
>
> Communications Consultants
>
> Oviedo, Florida
>
> JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
>
> 407-982-0446
>
> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:53:13 -0700
From: Matthew Simmons <km6toa at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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This is embarrassing. Do your dirty laundry in private.

KM6TOA
Node 49245

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:42 PM Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Make it a technical battle...which variety can be the most feature
> laden......
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:24 PM Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
>> in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
>> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
>> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
>> Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
>> the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
>> specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
>> makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
>>
>> So who really has legal standing here?
>>
>> --
>> Joe Leikhim
>>
>>
>> Leikhim and Associates
>>
>> Communications Consultants
>>
>> Oviedo, Florida
>>
>> JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
>>
>> 407-982-0446
>>
>> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:05:46 -0400
From: Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It is
already in private, Private communication between the people that have
business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of that
thing.

Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source are
exactly for that.

It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into
moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..
this would not even be far fetched.

There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry if
it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..

It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries with
dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The main
programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept the
IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.

We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
upgrading that software..

But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.

Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
cant have nice things..

Pierre
VE2PF

P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
thing that could happen to allstarlink.





Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 ? 16:53, Matthew Simmons <km6toa at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> This is embarrassing. Do your dirty laundry in private.
>
> KM6TOA
> Node 49245
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:42 PM Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Make it a technical battle...which variety can be the most feature
>> laden......
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 1:24 PM Joe Leikhim <rhyolite at leikhim.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have a dog in this fight, I run neither application, though may
>>> in future. That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the
>>> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the
>>> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal standing at
>>> Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take JDM, HamVoip or whomever is
>>> the legal entity to court over the matter. The big question is who
>>> specifically has legal standing to do so. To outsiders like me, this
>>> makes the world of Allstarlink look pretty frightening and petty.
>>>
>>> So who really has legal standing here?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joe Leikhim
>>>
>>>
>>> Leikhim and Associates
>>>
>>> Communications Consultants
>>>
>>> Oviedo, Florida
>>>
>>> JLeikhim at Leikhim.com
>>>
>>> 407-982-0446
>>>
>>> WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:06:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.  
This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
the Sun even more.

A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot 
from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry 
Pi cluster, leading to world domination.


....LMAO....


73, David KB4FXC


On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:

> My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It
is
> already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
that
> thing.
> 
> Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
> could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
> the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source
are
> exactly for that.
> 
> It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into
> moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..
> this would not even be far fetched.
> 
> There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry
if
> it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
> telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
> is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> 
> It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
with
> dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
main
> programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept
the
> IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
> still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> 
> We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> upgrading that software..
> 
> But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
> 
> Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> cant have nice things..
> 
> Pierre
> VE2PF
> 
> P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
> thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> 



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:10:04 -0400
From: Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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You can have good laugh, but can you prove me wrong?

;-)

Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 ? 23:07, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> a ?crit :

>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It
> is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
> that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done
and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we
know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source
> are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
> into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
> half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry
> if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog
then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there
version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
> with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
> main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept
> the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if
he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit
fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the
worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 03:41:05 -0500
From: Andrew Sylthe <asylthe at kc9ona.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Yeah, fun and games, but you won't release the source, correct?

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:

>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It
> is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
> that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done
and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we
know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source
> are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
> into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
> half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry
> if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog
then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there
version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
> with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
> main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept
> the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if
he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit
fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the
worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
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From jd0 at broadsci.com  Thu Jul  4 15:03:09 2019
From: jd0 at broadsci.com (Jeff DePolo)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 11:03:09 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <37509b75-6a41-1795-9268-e4707f9108c5@leikhim.com>
References: <37509b75-6a41-1795-9268-e4707f9108c5@leikhim.com>
Message-ID: <144B74F549BE42639E922EA46F1432AA@OUTLAW>

> That said, it would seem to me that rather than sully the 
> world of AllStar, the continual argument should be taken to the 
> courtroom to be settled out. This means whomever has legal 
> standing at  Allstar, or Jim Dixon's heirs, should take 
> JDM, HamVoip or whomever is the legal entity to court over the matter. 

It not only actionable by Jim Dixon's estate or successor(s).  It seems to
me anyone who has contributed to the project under the same license would
have standing.

					--- Jeff WN3A


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From kb9mwr at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 17:37:29 2019
From: kb9mwr at gmail.com (Steve L)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 12:37:29 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907032247290.7760-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <CAL8dJwqU7XeXoLpP=cH6kJ3hdcXDMC1MZpL+N17634oYwtzWAA@mail.gmail.com>
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I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.

The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
the benefit of open source

Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
became the answer to my prayers.

Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
closed source case, not so much.

Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.

Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...

Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
than by providing something geared for appliance folks.

Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
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From bob at ruddy.net  Fri Jul  5 19:48:58 2019
From: bob at ruddy.net (Robert Ruddy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:48:58 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAK4XxySxtGmRZX7xZ7G4AQ3Mv4xv2d4y_RPSLw_pvefBGAgB7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8dJwqU7XeXoLpP=cH6kJ3hdcXDMC1MZpL+N17634oYwtzWAA@mail.gmail.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907032247290.7760-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
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Message-ID: <CAD-2O8r1KkwvVerj3SKw=jAF7mH3umYYv5cMYEJo+hTUenxarA@mail.gmail.com>

100% agree with everything you said.

Bob

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:

> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>
> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
> the benefit of open source
>
> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
> became the answer to my prayers.
>
> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
> closed source case, not so much.
>
> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>
> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>
> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>
> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> > release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> > completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> > becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> > This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
> even
> > more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> > the Sun even more.
> >
> > A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> > thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
> as
> > the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> > from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> > Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
> >
> >
> > ....LMAO....
> >
> >
> > 73, David KB4FXC
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
> >
> > > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say.
> It is
> > > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
> that
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done
> and
> > > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we
> know,
> > > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open
> source are
> > > exactly for that.
> > >
> > > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
> into
> > > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
> half..
> > > this would not even be far fetched.
> > >
> > > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation
> sorry if
> > > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog
> then
> > > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there
> version
> > > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> > >
> > > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
> with
> > > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
> main
> > > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always
> kept the
> > > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if
> he
> > > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we
> would
> > > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> > >
> > > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > > upgrading that software..
> > >
> > > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit
> fall.
> > >
> > > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > > cant have nice things..
> > >
> > > Pierre
> > > VE2PF
> > >
> > > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the
> worst
> > > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 20:30:10 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:30:10 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the
deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
this too.

I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
(yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.

Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit
for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift.
Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:

> 100% agree with everything you said.
>
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
>> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
>> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
>> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>>
>> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
>> the benefit of open source
>>
>> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
>> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
>> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
>> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
>> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
>> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
>> became the answer to my prayers.
>>
>> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
>> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
>> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
>> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
>> closed source case, not so much.
>>
>> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>>
>> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>>
>> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
>> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
>> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>>
>> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
>> > release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
>> > completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
>> > becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
>> > This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
>> even
>> > more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
>> > the Sun even more.
>> >
>> > A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
>> > thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
>> as
>> > the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
>> > from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>> Raspberry
>> > Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>> >
>> >
>> > ....LMAO....
>> >
>> >
>> > 73, David KB4FXC
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>> >
>> > > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say.
>> It is
>> > > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
>> > > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts
>> of that
>> > > thing.
>> > >
>> > > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
>> > > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done
>> and
>> > > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since
>> they
>> > > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we
>> know,
>> > > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open
>> source are
>> > > exactly for that.
>> > >
>> > > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
>> into
>> > > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
>> half..
>> > > this would not even be far fetched.
>> > >
>> > > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation
>> sorry if
>> > > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog
>> then
>> > > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there
>> version
>> > > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
>> > > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
>> > >
>> > > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen,
>> SDR#
>> > > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing
>> binaries with
>> > > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable.
>> The main
>> > > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always
>> kept the
>> > > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even
>> if he
>> > > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
>> > > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would
>> be
>> > > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we
>> would
>> > > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of
>> us.
>> > >
>> > > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
>> > > upgrading that software..
>> > >
>> > > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit
>> fall.
>> > >
>> > > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that
>> we
>> > > cant have nice things..
>> > >
>> > > Pierre
>> > > VE2PF
>> > >
>> > > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the
>> worst
>> > > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
>> > >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > App_rpt-users mailing list
>> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>> >
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From k7ilo1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 20:32:40 2019
From: k7ilo1 at gmail.com (Harold Kinchelow)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 20:32:40 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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The best email I have read since the start of all of this.

Harold

VIA Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS

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From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 1:29 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move. You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know this too.

I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.

Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift. Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net<mailto:bob at ruddy.net>> wrote:
100% agree with everything you said.

Bob

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com<mailto:kb9mwr at gmail.com>> wrote:
I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.

The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
the benefit of open source

Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
became the answer to my prayers.

Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
closed source case, not so much.

Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.

Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...

Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
than by providing something geared for appliance folks.

Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net<mailto:kb4fxc at inttek.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
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From kb4fxc at inttek.net  Fri Jul  5 22:11:29 2019
From: kb4fxc at inttek.net (David McGough)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:11:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CAOpEAy5Jvfvc0R8XxZOghcwt5obOdEWmYNw=41Rbg8uembSQdA@mail.gmail.com>
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Joshua,


I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2" 
comments.

The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
See the fine print at the bottom of this document:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf

AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.

If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is: 
17STPB08347

Go to this website and search for the case number:

http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate


As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g. 
github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.

So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.


Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the flames 
(hearsay) fly.


73, David KB4FXC





On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:

> John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
> respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
> You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the
> deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
> this too.
> 
> I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
> is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
> networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
> offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
> (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
> 
> Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
> done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
> proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
> deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
> not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
> fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
> easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit
> for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
> was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
> that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift.
> Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
> 
> > 100% agree with everything you said.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
> >> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
> >> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
> >> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
> >>
> >> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
> >> the benefit of open source
> >>
> >> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
> >> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
> >> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
> >> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
> >> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
> >> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
> >> became the answer to my prayers.
> >>
> >> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
> >> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
> >> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
> >> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
> >> closed source case, not so much.
> >>
> >> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
> >>
> >> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
> >>
> >> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
> >> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
> >> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
> >>
> >> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> >> > release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> >> > completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> >> > becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> >> > This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
> >> even
> >> > more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> >> > the Sun even more.
> >> >
> >> > A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> >> > thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
> >> as
> >> > the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> >> > from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
> >> Raspberry
> >> > Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ....LMAO....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 73, David KB4FXC
> >> >
> >> >



From w8khw1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 23:16:11 2019
From: w8khw1 at gmail.com (Kevin Walsh)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:16:11 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907051728230.28383-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907051728230.28383-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <44E2D49A-CA7E-4604-9FC2-7BA466FF17A4@gmail.com>

David,

I haven?t seen anything from anyone saying you need to publish your code under AllStarLink. You wouldn?t publish your code while Jim Dixon was still alive, so for me this ownership argument doesn?t hold any water.

Publish your code wherever you please. It?s yours, nobody should try to claim ownership of it and I for one would defend you if they did. You have made some great contributions, but you have also driven wedges into this community. 

I don?t care for how Mr. Fields has conducted himself at all. Just as I didn?t appreciate the constant bickering from Mr. Crompton about flaws in the usbradio driver that he could never seem to demonstrate or document. It was just childish nonsense. I was thrilled when Jim finally said ?if you can do it better, go do it?. That?s how open source works. Many others have contributed to AllStar?s maturity. Are you going to tell us that Supemon wasn?t based on Allmon or Allmon2?

The code, Asterisk, apt_rpt, etc. etc. were all developed and published under GPL. Whomever is part of AllStarLink won?t own your code, nor have I seen anyone try to lay claim to anything you or Doug have written. The request has always simply been for you to comply with the GPL and publish your work.

Stop this BS now.

Kevin Walsh
W8KHW 



> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:11 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Joshua,
> 
> 
> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2" 
> comments.
> 
> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
> 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
> 
> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
> 
> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is: 
> 17STPB08347
> 
> Go to this website and search for the case number:
> 
> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
> 
> 
> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g. 
> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
> 
> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
> 
> 
> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the flames 
> (hearsay) fly.
> 
> 
> 73, David KB4FXC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>> 
>> John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
>> respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
>> You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the
>> deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
>> this too.
>> 
>> I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
>> is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
>> networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
>> offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
>> (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
>> 
>> Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
>> done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
>> proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
>> deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
>> not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
>> fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
>> easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit
>> for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
>> was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
>> that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift.
>> Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 100% agree with everything you said.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
>>>> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
>>>> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
>>>> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>>>> 
>>>> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
>>>> the benefit of open source
>>>> 
>>>> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
>>>> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
>>>> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
>>>> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
>>>> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
>>>> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
>>>> became the answer to my prayers.
>>>> 
>>>> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
>>>> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
>>>> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
>>>> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
>>>> closed source case, not so much.
>>>> 
>>>> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>>>> 
>>>> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>>>> 
>>>> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
>>>> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
>>>> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>>>> 
>>>> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
>>>>> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
>>>>> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
>>>>> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
>>>>> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
>>>> even
>>>>> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
>>>>> the Sun even more.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
>>>>> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
>>>> as
>>>>> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
>>>>> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>>>> Raspberry
>>>>> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ....LMAO....
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
> 
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From mm at midnighteng.com  Fri Jul  5 23:24:14 2019
From: mm at midnighteng.com (Mike)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:24:14 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Take legal action or shut up !

This topic mailing is not going to change anyone's mind about the issue 
including mine.

But this topic is nearly 40% of the message traffic in the last year.

Sorry,

I AM DONE WITH IT

Live in the misery you create !? ...unsubscribing


...mike/kb8jnm



From km6toa at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 00:07:32 2019
From: km6toa at gmail.com (Matthew Simmons)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 17:07:32 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Second that. This mailing list is for people to ask and answer questions
about arterial and app repeat. Take your battle somewhere else. It's
selfish and ride to inflict your hysteria and dysfunction upon everyone
else.

KM6TOA
Node 49245

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 4:24 PM Mike <mm at midnighteng.com> wrote:

> Take legal action or shut up !
>
> This topic mailing is not going to change anyone's mind about the issue
> including mine.
>
> But this topic is nearly 40% of the message traffic in the last year.
>
> Sorry,
>
> I AM DONE WITH IT
>
> Live in the misery you create !  ...unsubscribing
>
>
> ...mike/kb8jnm
>
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From kb9mwr at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 00:56:44 2019
From: kb9mwr at gmail.com (Steve L)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:56:44 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <de7f431d-c47b-55fe-2d08-bb66f791419f@midnighteng.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907051728230.28383-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
 <44E2D49A-CA7E-4604-9FC2-7BA466FF17A4@gmail.com>
 <de7f431d-c47b-55fe-2d08-bb66f791419f@midnighteng.com>
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This will be my last post on this.

Legal action likely isn't viable.  Unless someone has a lot of money
to piss away on legal folks.   It next to never is in legal cases
where money isn't being exchanged for a product or service.  So they
only people who win are the lawyers.

The more logical thing is for either group "try to beat its own
game"... And that is precisely what I see going on here.

The best advise I can give ASL is, Work on the documentation as that
is what I see as the hamvoip advantage.  The wiki was a good move.

Educate users.  Things like iaxrpt, and allmon2 wouldn't exist in a
closed source environment.

Give and document credit where it is due to reinforce this.

While it may be that the Hamvoip code base predates a GPL license, the
problem is there is no way to substantiate without showing the source
code.  It could very well be a one way door, where all the ASL stuff,
and addons that do share their code openly are borrowed improperly
into a closed hamvoip source version.  This is the problem the end
users don't get.  Basically building a "better" thing, but built off
the backs of others.

It's like buying a Chinese made electronics item and saying you are
happy with the price, but then upset that more and more electronics
jobs are going overseas.  You can't have it two ways.


On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 6:24 PM Mike <mm at midnighteng.com> wrote:
>
> Take legal action or shut up !
>
> This topic mailing is not going to change anyone's mind about the issue
> including mine.
>
> But this topic is nearly 40% of the message traffic in the last year.
>
> Sorry,
>
> I AM DONE WITH IT
>
> Live in the misery you create !  ...unsubscribing
>
>
> ...mike/kb8jnm
>
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From willem at prinmath.com  Sat Jul  6 02:22:41 2019
From: willem at prinmath.com (Willem Schreuder)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 20:22:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907051728230.28383-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907051728230.28383-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1907052010370.4321@baloo.prinmath.com>

On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, David McGough wrote:

> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.

ASL's existence or not is irrelevant.

Without Asterisk, no AllStarLink version could exist.  Everybody including 
Jim Dixon relied on the GPL to be able to create derivatives of Asterisk.

That means you are bound by the GPL.

================================================================
Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com


From buddy at brannan.name  Sat Jul  6 02:56:37 2019
From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 22:56:37 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1907052010370.4321@baloo.prinmath.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907051728230.28383-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
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Message-ID: <CD44BD43-B77E-4238-9DE2-A37A23517680@brannan.name>

Did I read correctly that David believes app_rpt is public domain and not bound by the terms of the GPL? 

Here?s what I see at the top of my copy of app_rpt.c, from the 1.4pre23 version of app_rpt that exists in an installation of ASL. I?ll happily have a look at an earlier version. But if there?s another version of app_rpt.c with no explicit licensing terms, someone please point me at it and I?ll happily admit to my wrongness. But?admittedly I only go back to 2009, although I don?t think I?ve ever seen a version that did not contain this:

/*
 * Asterisk -- An open source telephony toolkit.
 *
 * Copyright (C) 2002-2014, Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
 *
 * Jim Dixon, WB6NIL <jim at lambdatel.com>
 * Serious contributions by Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT <hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
 *
 * See http://www.asterisk.org for more information about
 * the Asterisk project. Please do not directly contact
 * any of the maintainers of this project for assistance;
 * the project provides a web site, mailing lists and IRC
 * channels for your use.
 *
 * This program is free software, distributed under the terms of
 * the GNU General Public License Version 2. See the LICENSE file
 * at the top of the source tree.
 */


Actually?I believe I have another version of app_rpt.c that mentions even more contributors, like W9SH for example. It also listed the GPL and referred to the license file in the Asterisk source tree. Actually, app_rpt.c was distributed with the GPL?ed Asterisk bistro for ages, even though it stopped working with anything after V1.4presomething. Xelatec had a version in their Xipar bistro that was based on 1.4.44pre-something, as I recall, also. 

I also think Jim?s views on the GPL were pretty clear from many of his posts on this list before his death. While he certainly encouraged the Arch linux effort that became hamvoip?I remember when this was going on, and Hamvoip ran only on the BBB?and he said ?If you can do better, have at it?, I?m confident in my opinion that the ?Contribute your changes back to the community? was strongly implied, if not directly stated. 

While I agree that my non-lawyerly opinion is that HamVOIP is in violation of the GPL, and while I also agree that this is not a division that?s any good for the ham community generally nor the ASL using community in particular, I don?t think Brian?s approach to addressing the problem is particularly helpful either. Some who are digging in their heels may be more willing to see the very valid points he makes if he did not give the arguments he poses the tone of a personal, bitter vendetta. 

Now?can we please try to *heal* this rift, rather than tearing it even wider? 

I?ve seen the arguments for why David has not released the source. Mostly, he has said that his changes are incompatible with non-HamVOIP distributions. OK, that?s fair, and it?s also fair to say that mixing code without properly taking into account any changes could be a pretty bad idea. But how do we know? More to the point, how do we know that someone else might see the changes, and further see a way to implement them in such a way as to make them available to everyone, in all branches of the code, or at least see a way to make something similar work? The idea that the rest of us simply can?t understand the changes and will just break more stuff if we try is a little insulting, and it doesn?t leave much room for learning. A good thing about GPL software is?lots of eyeballs can potentially spot flaws, make improvements, or see a better way. The disadvantage is that if you break it, you get to keep all the pieces. But that?s a small price to pay, IMO, for the benefits. 

Vy 73,

Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy at brannan.name
Mobile: (814) 431-0962



> On Jul 5, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, David McGough wrote:
> 
>> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
>> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
> 
> ASL's existence or not is irrelevant.
> 
> Without Asterisk, no AllStarLink version could exist.  Everybody including Jim Dixon relied on the GPL to be able to create derivatives of Asterisk.
> 
> That means you are bound by the GPL.
> 
> ================================================================
> Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 04:20:15 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 00:20:15 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them tuned
(mostly ok) to the ham band.

I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.

I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for the
interfacing.

I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I used
pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch close
to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a radio
tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of usbradio
as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900.

Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?

thanks
VE2PF
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From wb6egr at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 06:04:55 2019
From: wb6egr at gmail.com (Kirk Just Kirk)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 23:04:55 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPN8dryGCLWXkz+-OFuPUt+7iJefEXz+mfWVMUJ8a+X_dUwR5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Make SURE you do the power control mod!!!!!! These radios do stupid
things...like 2 watts one time and 18 the next time. They run hot. NOT a
good choice for a Node radio.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:20 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them tuned
> (mostly ok) to the ham band.
>
> I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.
>
> I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for the
> interfacing.
>
> I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I used
> pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch close
> to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a radio
> tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of usbradio
> as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900.
>
> Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?
>
> thanks
> VE2PF
>
> _______________________________________________
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 12:48:28 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 08:48:28 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
In-Reply-To: <CAPN8dryGCLWXkz+-OFuPUt+7iJefEXz+mfWVMUJ8a+X_dUwR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thats in the to do list. But I want to have it interfaced properly before
doing this. Cause if I cant get those radio running good with allstarlink,
I wont mess with the rest of the mods..



Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 02:05, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Make SURE you do the power control mod!!!!!! These radios do stupid
> things...like 2 watts one time and 18 the next time. They run hot. NOT a
> good choice for a Node radio.
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:20 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them tuned
>> (mostly ok) to the ham band.
>>
>> I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.
>>
>> I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for the
>> interfacing.
>>
>> I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I used
>> pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch close
>> to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a radio
>> tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of usbradio
>> as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900.
>>
>> Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?
>>
>> thanks
>> VE2PF
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 12:50:26 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 08:50:26 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwpSdwYSDJjDXKOOnvi85rhoxxSCH5CarUyaN7iqxTQt9w@mail.gmail.com>

I forgot to say that I am using a URI-X , the one with the cm108 chips. It
is aleast 6 years old.



Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 00:20, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them tuned
> (mostly ok) to the ham band.
>
> I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.
>
> I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for the
> interfacing.
>
> I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I used
> pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch close
> to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a radio
> tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of usbradio
> as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900.
>
> Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?
>
> thanks
> VE2PF
>
>
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From wb6egr at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 12:56:43 2019
From: wb6egr at gmail.com (Kirk Just Kirk)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 05:56:43 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwpqrxgOYJ3iQBGXw-9sBnXE_+tQ_2AQ5DnQeyGCBAD5yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPN8dryXkgzJ0SxifmF7f8+x6-wBDp2MmGcxXTH=qpoxat+xGA@mail.gmail.com>

What are you going to use a a RCVR (902.xxxx) Mhz?


On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 5:48 AM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thats in the to do list. But I want to have it interfaced properly before
> doing this. Cause if I cant get those radio running good with allstarlink,
> I wont mess with the rest of the mods..
>
>
>
> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 02:05, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> Make SURE you do the power control mod!!!!!! These radios do stupid
>> things...like 2 watts one time and 18 the next time. They run hot. NOT a
>> good choice for a Node radio.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:20 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them tuned
>>> (mostly ok) to the ham band.
>>>
>>> I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.
>>>
>>> I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for the
>>> interfacing.
>>>
>>> I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I
>>> used pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch
>>> close to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a
>>> radio tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of
>>> usbradio as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900.
>>>
>>> Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> VE2PF
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and
>>> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press
>>> the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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>>>
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 14:06:21 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:06:21 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
In-Reply-To: <CAPN8dryXkgzJ0SxifmF7f8+x6-wBDp2MmGcxXTH=qpoxat+xGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
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902.400rx  927.400 tx


Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 08:57, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> What are you going to use a a RCVR (902.xxxx) Mhz?
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 5:48 AM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thats in the to do list. But I want to have it interfaced properly before
>> doing this. Cause if I cant get those radio running good with allstarlink,
>> I wont mess with the rest of the mods..
>>
>>
>>
>> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 02:05, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>
>>> Make SURE you do the power control mod!!!!!! These radios do stupid
>>> things...like 2 watts one time and 18 the next time. They run hot. NOT a
>>> good choice for a Node radio.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:20 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them
>>>> tuned (mostly ok) to the ham band.
>>>>
>>>> I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.
>>>>
>>>> I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for the
>>>> interfacing.
>>>>
>>>> I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I
>>>> used pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch
>>>> close to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a
>>>> radio tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of
>>>> usbradio as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> VE2PF
>>>>
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From bdboyle at bdboyle.com  Sat Jul  6 14:16:37 2019
From: bdboyle at bdboyle.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:16:37 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwr53QV63dh0EuaNwM7a8OWBnMK1-SEJUW0V9pxztHdoHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPN8dryGCLWXkz+-OFuPUt+7iJefEXz+mfWVMUJ8a+X_dUwR5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL8dJwpqrxgOYJ3iQBGXw-9sBnXE_+tQ_2AQ5DnQeyGCBAD5yA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPN8dryXkgzJ0SxifmF7f8+x6-wBDp2MmGcxXTH=qpoxat+xGA@mail.gmail.com>
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what he was asking is what hardware you?re going to use to receive @902 MHZ?  

The GTX is beyond being stone deaf at that frequency, so if you were planning to use one as a receiver, you will not be receiving anything.  

It?s pretty hard to build a cheap radio (and the GTX is a cheap radio, considering) with 25 MHZ of bandwidth between shared components on the board.  


--
Bryan
Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.



> On Jul 6, 2019, at 10:06, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 902.400rx  927.400 tx
> 
> 
>> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 08:57, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>> What are you going to use a a RCVR (902.xxxx) Mhz?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 5:48 AM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thats in the to do list. But I want to have it interfaced properly before doing this. Cause if I cant get those radio running good with allstarlink, I wont mess with the rest of the mods.. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 02:05, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>>> Make SURE you do the power control mod!!!!!! These radios do stupid things...like 2 watts one time and 18 the next time. They run hot. NOT a good choice for a Node radio.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:20 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them tuned (mostly ok) to the ham band.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for the interfacing. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I used pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch close to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a radio tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of usbradio as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> VE2PF
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 14:29:04 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:29:04 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
In-Reply-To: <A255C726-D194-4A20-B6E3-CA78A5A70907@bdboyle.com>
References: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
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We are using other gtx900.
They are not that sensible, but with a repeater at a good spot it works
pretty good.


Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 10:16, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle at bdboyle.com> a ?crit :

> what he was asking is what hardware you?re going to use to receive @902
> MHZ?
>
> The GTX is beyond being stone deaf at that frequency, so if you were
> planning to use one as a receiver, you will not be receiving anything.
>
> It?s pretty hard to build a cheap radio (and the GTX is a cheap radio,
> considering) with 25 MHZ of bandwidth between shared components on the
> board.
>
>
> --
> Bryan
> Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this
> message.
>
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2019, at 10:06, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 902.400rx  927.400 tx
>
>
> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 08:57, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> What are you going to use a a RCVR (902.xxxx) Mhz?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 5:48 AM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thats in the to do list. But I want to have it interfaced properly
>>> before doing this. Cause if I cant get those radio running good with
>>> allstarlink, I wont mess with the rest of the mods..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 02:05, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a
>>> ?crit :
>>>
>>>> Make SURE you do the power control mod!!!!!! These radios do stupid
>>>> things...like 2 watts one time and 18 the next time. They run hot. NOT a
>>>> good choice for a Node radio.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:20 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them
>>>>> tuned (mostly ok) to the ham band.
>>>>>
>>>>> I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.
>>>>>
>>>>> I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for the
>>>>> interfacing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I
>>>>> used pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch
>>>>> close to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a
>>>>> radio tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of
>>>>> usbradio as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> VE2PF
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>>>
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 14:36:05 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:36:05 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <CD44BD43-B77E-4238-9DE2-A37A23517680@brannan.name>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1907051728230.28383-100000@goliath.inttek.net>
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the header of app_rpt.c on the 2011 limey distribution of allstarlink is
that:

/* #define NEW_ASTERISK */
/* #define OLD_ASTERISK */
/*
 * Asterisk -- An open source telephony toolkit.
 *
 * Copyright (C) 2002-2009, Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
 *
 * Jim Dixon, WB6NIL <jim at lambdatel.com>
 * Serious contributions by Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT <
hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
 *
 * See http://www.asterisk.org for more information about
 * the Asterisk project. Please do not directly contact
 * any of the maintainers of this project for assistance;
 * the project provides a web site, mailing lists and IRC
 * channels for your use.
 *
 * This program is free software, distributed under the terms of
 * the GNU General Public License Version 2. See the LICENSE file
 * at the top of the source tree.
 */

It is easy to find and I really dont think anyone took the time to modify
all the app_rpt.c with good time stamp on every version online of limey or
acid.

the licence is pretty clear and the Jim did released the software as gpl.



Le ven. 5 juil. 2019 ? 22:56, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> a ?crit :

> Did I read correctly that David believes app_rpt is public domain and not
> bound by the terms of the GPL?
>
> Here?s what I see at the top of my copy of app_rpt.c, from the 1.4pre23
> version of app_rpt that exists in an installation of ASL. I?ll happily have
> a look at an earlier version. But if there?s another version of app_rpt.c
> with no explicit licensing terms, someone please point me at it and I?ll
> happily admit to my wrongness. But?admittedly I only go back to 2009,
> although I don?t think I?ve ever seen a version that did not contain this:
>
> /*
>  * Asterisk -- An open source telephony toolkit.
>  *
>  * Copyright (C) 2002-2014, Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
>  *
>  * Jim Dixon, WB6NIL <jim at lambdatel.com>
>  * Serious contributions by Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT <
> hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
>  *
>  * See http://www.asterisk.org for more information about
>  * the Asterisk project. Please do not directly contact
>  * any of the maintainers of this project for assistance;
>  * the project provides a web site, mailing lists and IRC
>  * channels for your use.
>  *
>  * This program is free software, distributed under the terms of
>  * the GNU General Public License Version 2. See the LICENSE file
>  * at the top of the source tree.
>  */
>
>
> Actually?I believe I have another version of app_rpt.c that mentions even
> more contributors, like W9SH for example. It also listed the GPL and
> referred to the license file in the Asterisk source tree. Actually,
> app_rpt.c was distributed with the GPL?ed Asterisk bistro for ages, even
> though it stopped working with anything after V1.4presomething. Xelatec had
> a version in their Xipar bistro that was based on 1.4.44pre-something, as I
> recall, also.
>
> I also think Jim?s views on the GPL were pretty clear from many of his
> posts on this list before his death. While he certainly encouraged the Arch
> linux effort that became hamvoip?I remember when this was going on, and
> Hamvoip ran only on the BBB?and he said ?If you can do better, have at it?,
> I?m confident in my opinion that the ?Contribute your changes back to the
> community? was strongly implied, if not directly stated.
>
> While I agree that my non-lawyerly opinion is that HamVOIP is in violation
> of the GPL, and while I also agree that this is not a division that?s any
> good for the ham community generally nor the ASL using community in
> particular, I don?t think Brian?s approach to addressing the problem is
> particularly helpful either. Some who are digging in their heels may be
> more willing to see the very valid points he makes if he did not give the
> arguments he poses the tone of a personal, bitter vendetta.
>
> Now?can we please try to *heal* this rift, rather than tearing it even
> wider?
>
> I?ve seen the arguments for why David has not released the source. Mostly,
> he has said that his changes are incompatible with non-HamVOIP
> distributions. OK, that?s fair, and it?s also fair to say that mixing code
> without properly taking into account any changes could be a pretty bad
> idea. But how do we know? More to the point, how do we know that someone
> else might see the changes, and further see a way to implement them in such
> a way as to make them available to everyone, in all branches of the code,
> or at least see a way to make something similar work? The idea that the
> rest of us simply can?t understand the changes and will just break more
> stuff if we try is a little insulting, and it doesn?t leave much room for
> learning. A good thing about GPL software is?lots of eyeballs can
> potentially spot flaws, make improvements, or see a better way. The
> disadvantage is that if you break it, you get to keep all the pieces. But
> that?s a small price to pay, IMO, for the benefits.
>
> Vy 73,
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, David McGough wrote:
> >
> >> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
> >> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
> >
> > ASL's existence or not is irrelevant.
> >
> > Without Asterisk, no AllStarLink version could exist.  Everybody
> including Jim Dixon relied on the GPL to be able to create derivatives of
> Asterisk.
> >
> > That means you are bound by the GPL.
> >
> > ================================================================
> > Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> > Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> > Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> > WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
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From wb6egr at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 16:17:38 2019
From: wb6egr at gmail.com (Kirk Just Kirk)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 09:17:38 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
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Nope....it wont hear for beans at 902..... use a 800 maxtrac with the
injection upside down....Take the 936Mhz filters out and put a cavity in
front of it...

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:29 AM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> We are using other gtx900.
> They are not that sensible, but with a repeater at a good spot it works
> pretty good.
>
>
> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 10:16, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle at bdboyle.com> a
> ?crit :
>
>> what he was asking is what hardware you?re going to use to receive @902
>> MHZ?
>>
>> The GTX is beyond being stone deaf at that frequency, so if you were
>> planning to use one as a receiver, you will not be receiving anything.
>>
>> It?s pretty hard to build a cheap radio (and the GTX is a cheap radio,
>> considering) with 25 MHZ of bandwidth between shared components on the
>> board.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bryan
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this
>> message.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2019, at 10:06, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 902.400rx  927.400 tx
>>
>>
>> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 08:57, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>
>>> What are you going to use a a RCVR (902.xxxx) Mhz?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 5:48 AM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thats in the to do list. But I want to have it interfaced properly
>>>> before doing this. Cause if I cant get those radio running good with
>>>> allstarlink, I wont mess with the rest of the mods..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 02:05, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a
>>>> ?crit :
>>>>
>>>>> Make SURE you do the power control mod!!!!!! These radios do stupid
>>>>> things...like 2 watts one time and 18 the next time. They run hot. NOT a
>>>>> good choice for a Node radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:20 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them
>>>>>> tuned (mostly ok) to the ham band.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for the
>>>>>> interfacing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I
>>>>>> used pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch
>>>>>> close to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a
>>>>>> radio tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of
>>>>>> usbradio as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> VE2PF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 17:30:44 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 13:30:44 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
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References: <CAL8dJwrkUhQH8j7cVWC_r4qAF5E45xgq30yqUCfRTnPh-L-5sA@mail.gmail.com>
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the tech that got them tuned told us they were low but not that much..
Could that be the reason I just cant have the receive side to even have
enough noise in it to properly do radio tune rxnoise?


Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 12:17, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Nope....it wont hear for beans at 902..... use a 800 maxtrac with the
> injection upside down....Take the 936Mhz filters out and put a cavity in
> front of it...
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:29 AM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We are using other gtx900.
>> They are not that sensible, but with a repeater at a good spot it works
>> pretty good.
>>
>>
>> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 10:16, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle at bdboyle.com> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>>> what he was asking is what hardware you?re going to use to receive @902
>>> MHZ?
>>>
>>> The GTX is beyond being stone deaf at that frequency, so if you were
>>> planning to use one as a receiver, you will not be receiving anything.
>>>
>>> It?s pretty hard to build a cheap radio (and the GTX is a cheap radio,
>>> considering) with 25 MHZ of bandwidth between shared components on the
>>> board.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bryan
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of
>>> this message.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 6, 2019, at 10:06, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 902.400rx  927.400 tx
>>>
>>>
>>> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 08:57, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a
>>> ?crit :
>>>
>>>> What are you going to use a a RCVR (902.xxxx) Mhz?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 5:48 AM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thats in the to do list. But I want to have it interfaced properly
>>>>> before doing this. Cause if I cant get those radio running good with
>>>>> allstarlink, I wont mess with the rest of the mods..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 ? 02:05, Kirk Just Kirk <wb6egr at gmail.com> a
>>>>> ?crit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Make SURE you do the power control mod!!!!!! These radios do stupid
>>>>>> things...like 2 watts one time and 18 the next time. They run hot. NOT a
>>>>>> good choice for a Node radio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:20 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello to the group, Got a pair of GTX900 mobile radio and got them
>>>>>>> tuned (mostly ok) to the ham band.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I now want to use them for repeater use in the 900 mhz band.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I went to repeater builder page and used all the info I could for
>>>>>>> the interfacing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did went for flat audio connection, as stated on the gtx900 page I
>>>>>>> used pin 7 and 11 for the receiver audio out. And I did put the dip switch
>>>>>>> close to the interfacing jack to off as specified. I then tried to do a
>>>>>>> radio tune rxnoise but it always fail. I want to use the dsp fonction of
>>>>>>> usbradio as it is way easier then getting a cor output on the gtx900.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone ever used those radio with ASL?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>> VE2PF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>>>>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>>>>>
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From gigahacker at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 22:08:09 2019
From: gigahacker at gmail.com (Darrell Black)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:08:09 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Tailmessage Timer
Message-ID: <CAC23xXCPvGczEnxf8Nj-ZnJmt2QFHLD-byecACN+mp-mVGcETQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, kinda new into AllStar. I want to be able to change the tailmessage
timer via a macro if needed. Any hints on how to do this?

My tailmessages are set at 45 minutes but if I want to cancel a club
meeting, or set a weather alert, I can script in a new tail message but I
would want to shorten the timer to lets say every 5 minutes. I don't really
want to rewrite the rtp.conf just overwrite the timer in memory until the
reboot or until I change it back.

Thanks


-- 

Darrell Black

(517) 917-2226
GigaHacker at gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack


73 de W8DSB
"In God we trust, all others we monitor"

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From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 22:15:58 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 17:15:58 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Tailmessage Timer
In-Reply-To: <CAC23xXCPvGczEnxf8Nj-ZnJmt2QFHLD-byecACN+mp-mVGcETQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC23xXCPvGczEnxf8Nj-ZnJmt2QFHLD-byecACN+mp-mVGcETQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpEAy7f6b4efBtFXyqmOeKFL_pnsZK+L3Q2=e=y9fDgNtk3=A@mail.gmail.com>

I can help you out.

Do you have a node number, DMR ID, Gmail address or Facebook account to
communicate further?

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 5:08 PM Darrell Black <gigahacker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, kinda new into AllStar. I want to be able to change the tailmessage
> timer via a macro if needed. Any hints on how to do this?
>
> My tailmessages are set at 45 minutes but if I want to cancel a club
> meeting, or set a weather alert, I can script in a new tail message but I
> would want to shorten the timer to lets say every 5 minutes. I don't really
> want to rewrite the rtp.conf just overwrite the timer in memory until the
> reboot or until I change it back.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
>
> Darrell Black
>
> (517) 917-2226
> GigaHacker at gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack
>
>
> 73 de W8DSB
> "In God we trust, all others we monitor"
>
> GMRS WRDE739
> _______________________________________________
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From brett.friermood at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 22:25:09 2019
From: brett.friermood at gmail.com (Brett Friermood)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 17:25:09 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Tailmessage Timer
In-Reply-To: <CAOpEAy7f6b4efBtFXyqmOeKFL_pnsZK+L3Q2=e=y9fDgNtk3=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC23xXCPvGczEnxf8Nj-ZnJmt2QFHLD-byecACN+mp-mVGcETQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADS0AtREvR_QcSKPuSoNt3qHvwqXQ_G0Sh8DR_=SALqLByGUTg@mail.gmail.com>

Joshua,

You can find his gmail address in the header, but he also has it explicitly
listed in his signature.

Or, you could share with community by keeping it on the list.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 17:15 Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can help you out.
>
> Do you have a node number, DMR ID, Gmail address or Facebook account to
> communicate further?
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 5:08 PM Darrell Black <gigahacker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, kinda new into AllStar. I want to be able to change the tailmessage
>> timer via a macro if needed. Any hints on how to do this?
>>
>> My tailmessages are set at 45 minutes but if I want to cancel a club
>> meeting, or set a weather alert, I can script in a new tail message but I
>> would want to shorten the timer to lets say every 5 minutes. I don't really
>> want to rewrite the rtp.conf just overwrite the timer in memory until the
>> reboot or until I change it back.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Darrell Black
>>
>> (517) 917-2226
>> GigaHacker at gmail.com
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack
>>
>>
>> 73 de W8DSB
>> "In God we trust, all others we monitor"
>>
>> GMRS WRDE739
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
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From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 22:31:20 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 17:31:20 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Tailmessage Timer
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Thanks, :) I didn't want to email or call without confirmation that those
were still valid points of contact or that he was available. But have since
made contact.

I explained to him over the phone that my approach would be to write a
couple custom scripts to modify the variable as needed and those scripts
could be run via remote DTMF control or rotated on a fixed schedule. I will
post the solution here as well, should anyone else want to have a copy.
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From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 00:17:28 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:17:28 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Tailmessage Timer
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I can not share his rpt.conf file but I can explain what was done....

Three changes were made to his rpt.conf file as noted here:

   1. tailmessagetime=2700001 ; incremented to 2700001 to be easily found
   by DTMF control script - *in node stanza*
   2. 84=cmd,/usr/local/sbin/tail45minutes.sh ; added DTMF Controllable
   bash script to change the rpt.conf variable - *in functions stanza*
   3. 85=cmd,/usr/local/sbin/tail5minutes.sh ; added DTMF Controllable bash
   script to change the rpt.conf variable - *in functions stanza*

In the rpt.conf file I modified the tail time from 2700000 to 2700001 to
make that easy for the script to find. Easier than me dealing with SED and
spaces anyway....I then added the DTMF command of *84 to set the
tailmessage time to 45 minutes, and *85 to set the tailmessage time to 5
minutes. ALL 3 changes are commented on the file.

The deal breaker: The script from 45 to 5 minutes will only work if it is
currently set to 2700001, and the script from 5 minutes to 45 will only
work if the variable is currently set to 300001. Basically if someone
manually changes the time to anything other than 2700001 & 300001 neither
script will work.

First modify your rpt.conf file to match the above changes. Then upload the
two additional scripts linked below, these 2 scripts need to be saved to
the /usr/local/sbin/ and once there will need to be set to executable and
set by typing the following four commands:

sudo -s
chmod u+x /usr/local/sbin/tail45minutes.sh
chmod u+x /usr/local/sbin/tail5minutes.sh
sudo asterisk -rx "rpt reload"


Files linked:
 tail45minutes.sh
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/10uk28qAnGlE_kpa62ZwZw-OGt3ipOqPT/view?usp=drive_web>

 tail5minutes.sh
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l4_Z0OHxIu7DFuDOacFGVUxd4VR0hd_l/view?usp=drive_web>

All should be set after that.
Jae KG5EBI

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, :) I didn't want to email or call without confirmation that those
> were still valid points of contact or that he was available. But have since
> made contact.
>
> I explained to him over the phone that my approach would be to write a
> couple custom scripts to modify the variable as needed and those scripts
> could be run via remote DTMF control or rotated on a fixed schedule. I will
> post the solution here as well, should anyone else want to have a copy.
>
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From tisawyer at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 14:18:56 2019
From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 07:18:56 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Well, it seems to be true that registration complaints come primarily from
hamvoip as we seldom see those problems on this list.  I think that's
because the Pi crowd tends to turn off their nodes way more often than
others. It does take a while for the IP address of recently powered up
nodes propagate. Hamvoip fixed that but won't share the code so it might
look like ASL registration is broken to some.

VE2PF's theory of "the other distro playing with registration" isn't so far
fetched. In fact, there's a whole lot of truth to that.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:

>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It
> is
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
> that
> > thing.
> >
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source
> are
> > exactly for that.
> >
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
> into
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
> half..
> > this would not even be far fetched.
> >
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry
> if
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> >
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
> with
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
> main
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept
> the
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> >
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > upgrading that software..
> >
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.
> >
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > cant have nice things..
> >
> > Pierre
> > VE2PF
> >
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> >
>
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From tisawyer at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 14:32:13 2019
From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 07:32:13 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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The AllStar branding did come later.

The AllStar brand started when the infrastructure (portal, registration, IP
distribution and ham network) came to be as embodied in allstarlink.org.
Back then AllStar was the ham network and app_rpt was the Asterisk
application. I still like that delineation because anyone can use app_rpt
(such as GMRS) but only hams can use the AllStar network.

Water under the bridge, it's all AllStar now.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:37 AM Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:

> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>
> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
> the benefit of open source
>
> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
> became the answer to my prayers.
>
> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
> closed source case, not so much.
>
> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>
> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>
> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>
> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> > release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> > completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> > becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> > This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
> even
> > more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> > the Sun even more.
> >
> > A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> > thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
> as
> > the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> > from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry
> > Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
> >
> >
> > ....LMAO....
> >
> >
> > 73, David KB4FXC
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:
> >
> > > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say.
> It is
> > > already in private, Private communication between the people that have
> > > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of
> that
> > > thing.
> > >
> > > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The
> > > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done
> and
> > > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they
> > > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we
> know,
> > > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open
> source are
> > > exactly for that.
> > >
> > > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro
> into
> > > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in
> half..
> > > this would not even be far fetched.
> > >
> > > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation
> sorry if
> > > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog
> then
> > > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there
> version
> > > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.
> > > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..
> > >
> > > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#
> > > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries
> with
> > > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The
> main
> > > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always
> kept the
> > > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if
> he
> > > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he
> > > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be
> > > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we
> would
> > > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.
> > >
> > > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and
> > > upgrading that software..
> > >
> > > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit
> fall.
> > >
> > > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we
> > > cant have nice things..
> > >
> > > Pierre
> > > VE2PF
> > >
> > > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the
> worst
> > > thing that could happen to allstarlink.
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >
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From tisawyer at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 16:56:10 2019
From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 09:56:10 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Zapatelephony predates both app_rpt and Asterisk. Asterisk and app_rpt are
based on concepts presented on the Zapatelephony web site. This bit of
history is not well understood but Todd Lesser (who's name in on that site
and is a current AllStar board member) was there through it all. That
Zapatelephony site is about the circuit board. Read the whole
http://zapatatelephony.org web site, not just the one page taken out of
context.

The Zapatelephony circuit board was released under public domain to lower
the cost of PBX creation. Asterisk and app_rpt have been open source since
day one. There is no question about that any "proof" to the contrary is
plainly wrong.


On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:

>
>
> Joshua,
>
>
> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2"
> comments.
>
> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
>
> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
>
> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is:
> 17STPB08347
>
> Go to this website and search for the case number:
>
> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
>
>
> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
>
> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
>
>
> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the flames
> (hearsay) fly.
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>
> > John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
> > respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
> > You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand
> the
> > deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
> > this too.
> >
> > I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
> > is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
> > networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
> > offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
> > (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
> >
> > Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what
> was
> > done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
> > proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
> > deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
> > not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
> > fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
> > easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the
> credit
> > for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
> > was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really
> is
> > that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this
> gift.
> > Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
> >
> > > 100% agree with everything you said.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
> > >> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
> > >> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
> > >> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
> > >>
> > >> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
> > >> the benefit of open source
> > >>
> > >> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
> > >> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
> > >> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
> > >> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
> > >> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
> > >> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
> > >> became the answer to my prayers.
> > >>
> > >> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
> > >> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
> > >> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
> > >> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
> > >> closed source case, not so much.
> > >>
> > >> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored
> Tomato.
> > >>
> > >> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
> > >>
> > >> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
> > >> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
> > >> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
> > >>
> > >> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the
> HamVoIP
> > >> > release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing
> it
> > >> > completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the
> effect
> > >> > becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot
> Minimum.
> > >> > This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots
> means
> > >> even
> > >> > more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn,
> dampens
> > >> > the Sun even more.
> > >> >
> > >> > A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> > >> > thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David
> McGough,
> > >> as
> > >> > the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the
> plot
> > >> > from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
> > >> Raspberry
> > >> > Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ....LMAO....
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 73, David KB4FXC
> > >> >
> > >> >
>
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From tisawyer at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 18:59:43 2019
From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 11:59:43 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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I asked Todd to comment on this. He has done so here:
https://community.allstarlink.org/t/history-of-zapata-telephony-asterisk-allstar-and-app-rpt-open-source/15162

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Zapatelephony predates both app_rpt and Asterisk. Asterisk and app_rpt are
> based on concepts presented on the Zapatelephony web site. This bit of
> history is not well understood but Todd Lesser (who's name in on that site
> and is a current AllStar board member) was there through it all. That
> Zapatelephony site is about the circuit board. Read the whole
> http://zapatatelephony.org web site, not just the one page taken out of
> context.
>
> The Zapatelephony circuit board was released under public domain to lower
> the cost of PBX creation. Asterisk and app_rpt have been open source since
> day one. There is no question about that any "proof" to the contrary is
> plainly wrong.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Joshua,
>>
>>
>> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
>> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
>> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
>> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2"
>> comments.
>>
>> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
>> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
>> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
>> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
>>
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
>>
>> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
>> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
>> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
>> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
>> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
>>
>> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is:
>> 17STPB08347
>>
>> Go to this website and search for the case number:
>>
>> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
>>
>>
>> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
>> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
>>
>> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
>> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
>> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
>>
>>
>> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the
>> flames
>> (hearsay) fly.
>>
>>
>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>>
>> > John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
>> > respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this
>> move.
>> > You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand
>> the
>> > deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
>> > this too.
>> >
>> > I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug
>> too
>> > is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
>> > networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
>> > offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
>> > (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
>> >
>> > Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what
>> was
>> > done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
>> > proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
>> > deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
>> > not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying
>> to
>> > fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all
>> so
>> > easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the
>> credit
>> > for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this.
>> It
>> > was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really
>> is
>> > that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this
>> gift.
>> > Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > 100% agree with everything you said.
>> > >
>> > > Bob
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
>> > >> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
>> > >> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just
>> have
>> > >> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>> > >>
>> > >> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
>> > >> the benefit of open source
>> > >>
>> > >> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
>> > >> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
>> > >> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
>> > >> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
>> > >> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
>> > >> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
>> > >> became the answer to my prayers.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
>> > >> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
>> > >> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
>> > >> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
>> > >> closed source case, not so much.
>> > >>
>> > >> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored
>> Tomato.
>> > >>
>> > >> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>> > >>
>> > >> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
>> > >> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
>> > >> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>> > >>
>> > >> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
>> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the
>> HamVoIP
>> > >> > release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator,
>> throwing it
>> > >> > completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the
>> effect
>> > >> > becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot
>> Minimum.
>> > >> > This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots
>> means
>> > >> even
>> > >> > more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn,
>> dampens
>> > >> > the Sun even more.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic
>> 1962
>> > >> > thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David
>> McGough,
>> > >> as
>> > >> > the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of
>> the plot
>> > >> > from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>> > >> Raspberry
>> > >> > Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ....LMAO....
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 73, David KB4FXC
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
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From buddy at brannan.name  Mon Jul  8 00:00:51 2019
From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 20:00:51 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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References: <CAOpEAy5Jvfvc0R8XxZOghcwt5obOdEWmYNw=41Rbg8uembSQdA@mail.gmail.com>
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Seems pretty clear to me. It seemed pretty clear to me when V1.5RC was released a couple years ago and I, among others, asked about why the source was not forthcoming. The reasons seem to change somewhat every so often. I?d have to look at the original email, but it definitely didn?t mention any belief that app_rpt or anything related was public domain. 


Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy at brannan.name
Mobile: (814) 431-0962



> On Jul 7, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I asked Todd to comment on this. He has done so here: https://community.allstarlink.org/t/history-of-zapata-telephony-asterisk-allstar-and-app-rpt-open-source/15162
> 
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Zapatelephony predates both app_rpt and Asterisk. Asterisk and app_rpt are based on concepts presented on the Zapatelephony web site. This bit of history is not well understood but Todd Lesser (who's name in on that site and is a current AllStar board member) was there through it all. That Zapatelephony site is about the circuit board. Read the whole http://zapatatelephony.org web site, not just the one page taken out of context. 
> 
> The Zapatelephony circuit board was released under public domain to lower the cost of PBX creation. Asterisk and app_rpt have been open source since day one. There is no question about that any "proof" to the contrary is plainly wrong.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Joshua,
> 
> 
> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2" 
> comments.
> 
> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
> 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
> 
> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
> 
> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is: 
> 17STPB08347
> 
> Go to this website and search for the case number:
> 
> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
> 
> 
> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g. 
> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
> 
> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
> 
> 
> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the flames 
> (hearsay) fly.
> 
> 
> 73, David KB4FXC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
> 
> > John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
> > respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
> > You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the
> > deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
> > this too.
> > 
> > I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
> > is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
> > networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
> > offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
> > (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
> > 
> > Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
> > done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
> > proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
> > deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
> > not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
> > fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
> > easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit
> > for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
> > was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
> > that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift.
> > Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > 100% agree with everything you said.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
> > >> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
> > >> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
> > >> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
> > >>
> > >> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
> > >> the benefit of open source
> > >>
> > >> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
> > >> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
> > >> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
> > >> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
> > >> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
> > >> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
> > >> became the answer to my prayers.
> > >>
> > >> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
> > >> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
> > >> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
> > >> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
> > >> closed source case, not so much.
> > >>
> > >> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
> > >>
> > >> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
> > >>
> > >> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
> > >> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
> > >> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
> > >>
> > >> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> > >> > release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> > >> > completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> > >> > becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> > >> > This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
> > >> even
> > >> > more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> > >> > the Sun even more.
> > >> >
> > >> > A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> > >> > thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
> > >> as
> > >> > the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> > >> > from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
> > >> Raspberry
> > >> > Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ....LMAO....
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 73, David KB4FXC
> > >> >
> > >> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 01:36:16 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 21:36:16 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
In-Reply-To: <2b5f7bdb-f390-b079-b59c-e27d33bfda60@w2db.com>
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ok, I will have to find a receiver..
looks like all quantar on flybay right now are pricey...

I would really like to find a suitable receiver in the mean time, till I
have something else to put on site.
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Mon Jul  8 05:54:21 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 01:54:21 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
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Message-ID: <6f458e22-5ad7-5112-9d3e-7f6062400cf3@bryanfields.net>

On 7/7/19 9:36 PM, Pierre Martel wrote:
> ok, I will have to find a receiver..
> looks like all quantar on flybay right now are pricey...

You can convert a 800 MHz Quantar to 900 MHz.  The 800 MHz units are mostly
trash/junk now for the cost of pickup or $100 bux.  I'm sure there are people
selling on eBay for thousands, but they are not moving.

> I would really like to find a suitable receiver in the mean time, till I
> have something else to put on site.

I may have a converted kenwood TK-941 marked "Orlando 2016, 927.0700/902" if
you want.  It's yours if you want it, unicast me a USPS shipping label for a
medium rate box.

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 07:56:55 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 02:56:55 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
Message-ID: <CAOpEAy498QyREGmptGZSu3YO4=bn5ELZf1jyMjj9UUPZzg1saQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have put together a <15 minute tutorial on everything needed to record
the QSO's on your Allstar node, move them to an internet accessible web
folder and convert them from large .WAV files (the compression used is not
all that bad really) into manageable .MP3 files that will play back simply
through your browser.

YouTube link: https://youtu.be/SnOBoF85k0k

The process requires the installation of 4 packages.

   1. Apache2 (most likely have this installed already)
   2. rsync (very small, lightweight and reliable)
   3. ffmpeg to convert the audio
   4. lame encoder to convert to mp3 codec

Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the YouTube
tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it can be
downloaded here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE

The software mentioned above will still need installed as per video
instructions. Quick overview is here:

sudo -s
apt update
apt-get install apache2
apt-get install rsync
apt-get install ffmpeg
apt-get install lame
mkdir /var/www/html/library

Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official
Allstar Community forum here: https://community.allstarlink.org/
73's
Jae   KG5EBI
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 19:08:00 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:08:00 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] gtx900
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I have some interrest!

I need to log into the usps web site to check on the price , it does not
seem to answer my request after my login.. The dman small wheel keep on
turning and the click and ship tool never come..


Le lun. 8 juil. 2019 ? 01:54, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> a ?crit :

> On 7/7/19 9:36 PM, Pierre Martel wrote:
> > ok, I will have to find a receiver..
> > looks like all quantar on flybay right now are pricey...
>
> You can convert a 800 MHz Quantar to 900 MHz.  The 800 MHz units are mostly
> trash/junk now for the cost of pickup or $100 bux.  I'm sure there are
> people
> selling on eBay for thousands, but they are not moving.
>
> > I would really like to find a suitable receiver in the mean time, till I
> > have something else to put on site.
>
> I may have a converted kenwood TK-941 marked "Orlando 2016, 927.0700/902"
> if
> you want.  It's yours if you want it, unicast me a USPS shipping label for
> a
> medium rate box.
>
> 73's
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
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From russell at kv4s.com  Mon Jul  8 22:33:17 2019
From: russell at kv4s.com (Russell Thomas)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:33:17 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
In-Reply-To: <CAOpEAy498QyREGmptGZSu3YO4=bn5ELZf1jyMjj9UUPZzg1saQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOpEAy498QyREGmptGZSu3YO4=bn5ELZf1jyMjj9UUPZzg1saQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAANUOmH5KgCWRhoiD_-rjdcs0OWmM3hAJiEG=O_DdEgy3iYxWw@mail.gmail.com>

I watched this today and I might give it a shot.
I'm assuming you just setup a crontab schedule to kick off the script?

Also, do we need a delete script to remove them if the MP3s are older than
a month or week.

73,
Russell Thomas, KV4S
DMR TG: 240218 | YSF: US KV4S | D-STAR: XRF334R
Allstar: 47923 | IRLP: 4535 | EchoLink: KV4S-L
Web: http://KV4S.com

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 2:57 AM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have put together a <15 minute tutorial on everything needed to record
> the QSO's on your Allstar node, move them to an internet accessible web
> folder and convert them from large .WAV files (the compression used is not
> all that bad really) into manageable .MP3 files that will play back simply
> through your browser.
>
> YouTube link: https://youtu.be/SnOBoF85k0k
>
> The process requires the installation of 4 packages.
>
>    1. Apache2 (most likely have this installed already)
>    2. rsync (very small, lightweight and reliable)
>    3. ffmpeg to convert the audio
>    4. lame encoder to convert to mp3 codec
>
> Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the
> YouTube tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it
> can be downloaded here:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE
>
> The software mentioned above will still need installed as per video
> instructions. Quick overview is here:
>
> sudo -s
> apt update
> apt-get install apache2
> apt-get install rsync
> apt-get install ffmpeg
> apt-get install lame
> mkdir /var/www/html/library
>
> Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official
> Allstar Community forum here: https://community.allstarlink.org/
> 73's
> Jae   KG5EBI
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From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 22:55:11 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 05:55:11 +0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
In-Reply-To: <CAANUOmH5KgCWRhoiD_-rjdcs0OWmM3hAJiEG=O_DdEgy3iYxWw@mail.gmail.com>
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I hope you do try it Russell, if you run into hiccups feel free to reach
out. But after watching some your videos I am confident you can pull this
mod off in under 10 minutes. As far as the few questions, I have it running
in two different ways on 2 different servers.

*Server #1* the script runs every 30 seconds by a cron job and the files
are synced to Google Drive, not even hosted on the node server. Since my
Drive account has 500GB of space I don't really need to think about
deleting anything.
*Server #2* the script runs on command only. I run an MQTT server on the
host and a simple button on my phone to send an MQTT message. When the
message trips from 0 (false) to 1 (true) the bash script executes for one
run.

If you are on a system that you are concerned with file space you could
periodically (daily even) run a script that will purge any .mp3 file in
said directory that is beyond XX days old. So in bash form it would look
something like this with 21 being the day count, feel free to modify that
number:

#!/bin/bash
find /var/www/html/library/ -type f -mtime +21 -name '*.mp3' -execdir rm --
'{}' \;
done

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:33 AM Russell Thomas <russell at kv4s.com> wrote:

> I watched this today and I might give it a shot.
> I'm assuming you just setup a crontab schedule to kick off the script?
>
> Also, do we need a delete script to remove them if the MP3s are older than
> a month or week.
>
> 73,
> Russell Thomas, KV4S
> DMR TG: 240218 | YSF: US KV4S | D-STAR: XRF334R
> Allstar: 47923 | IRLP: 4535 | EchoLink: KV4S-L
> Web: http://KV4S.com
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 2:57 AM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have put together a <15 minute tutorial on everything needed to record
>> the QSO's on your Allstar node, move them to an internet accessible web
>> folder and convert them from large .WAV files (the compression used is not
>> all that bad really) into manageable .MP3 files that will play back simply
>> through your browser.
>>
>> YouTube link: https://youtu.be/SnOBoF85k0k
>>
>> The process requires the installation of 4 packages.
>>
>>    1. Apache2 (most likely have this installed already)
>>    2. rsync (very small, lightweight and reliable)
>>    3. ffmpeg to convert the audio
>>    4. lame encoder to convert to mp3 codec
>>
>> Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the
>> YouTube tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it
>> can be downloaded here:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE
>>
>> The software mentioned above will still need installed as per video
>> instructions. Quick overview is here:
>>
>> sudo -s
>> apt update
>> apt-get install apache2
>> apt-get install rsync
>> apt-get install ffmpeg
>> apt-get install lame
>> mkdir /var/www/html/library
>>
>> Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official
>> Allstar Community forum here: https://community.allstarlink.org/
>> 73's
>> Jae   KG5EBI
>> _______________________________________________
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From todd at nccom.com  Tue Jul  9 15:58:55 2019
From: todd at nccom.com (todd@lesser.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 08:58:55 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
In-Reply-To: <C169BED1-50A8-4125-B4B6-ABA0360F26AE@brannan.name>
References: <CAOpEAy5Jvfvc0R8XxZOghcwt5obOdEWmYNw=41Rbg8uembSQdA@mail.gmail.com>
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They definitely didn?t say anything about public domain and actually acknowledged on their web page that it open source! In other words, they knew it was open source when they chose to download the source code. They knew that any changes they made and redistributed that they have to release back to the community.

https://www.hamvoip.org <https://www.hamvoip.org/>
?Why Allstar?

We are often asked why Allstar with all of the new RF digital repeaters and their VOIP connection schemes out there. The best answer is open source, quality audio, and freedom to do what you want. Dstar, Fusion, DMR, etc are all at least partially if not completely proprietary systems??

To make matters even worse, they now they are monetizing on all the work many people have done to make Allstar what it is today by asking for people to send them money!

I know there are some personality conflicts with Doug and some of the tech support people. I personally have tried to be the buffer and was rebuffed. There is no excuse not to release the code.

Jim Dixon would be so upset if he was alive today.
Shame on them.


> On Jul 7, 2019, at 17:00, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
> 
> Seems pretty clear to me. It seemed pretty clear to me when V1.5RC was released a couple years ago and I, among others, asked about why the source was not forthcoming. The reasons seem to change somewhat every so often. I?d have to look at the original email, but it definitely didn?t mention any belief that app_rpt or anything related was public domain. 
> 
> 
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I asked Todd to comment on this. He has done so here: https://community.allstarlink.org/t/history-of-zapata-telephony-asterisk-allstar-and-app-rpt-open-source/15162
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Zapatelephony predates both app_rpt and Asterisk. Asterisk and app_rpt are based on concepts presented on the Zapatelephony web site. This bit of history is not well understood but Todd Lesser (who's name in on that site and is a current AllStar board member) was there through it all. That Zapatelephony site is about the circuit board. Read the whole http://zapatatelephony.org web site, not just the one page taken out of context. 
>> 
>> The Zapatelephony circuit board was released under public domain to lower the cost of PBX creation. Asterisk and app_rpt have been open source since day one. There is no question about that any "proof" to the contrary is plainly wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Joshua,
>> 
>> 
>> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
>> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
>> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
>> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2" 
>> comments.
>> 
>> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
>> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
>> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
>> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
>> 
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
>> 
>> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
>> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
>> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
>> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
>> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
>> 
>> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is: 
>> 17STPB08347
>> 
>> Go to this website and search for the case number:
>> 
>> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
>> 
>> 
>> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g. 
>> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
>> 
>> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
>> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
>> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
>> 
>> 
>> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the flames 
>> (hearsay) fly.
>> 
>> 
>> 73, David KB4FXC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>> 
>>> John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
>>> respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
>>> You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the
>>> deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
>>> this too.
>>> 
>>> I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
>>> is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
>>> networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
>>> offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
>>> (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
>>> 
>>> Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
>>> done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
>>> proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
>>> deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
>>> not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
>>> fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
>>> easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit
>>> for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
>>> was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
>>> that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift.
>>> Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 100% agree with everything you said.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
>>>>> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
>>>>> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
>>>>> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
>>>>> the benefit of open source
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
>>>>> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
>>>>> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
>>>>> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
>>>>> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
>>>>> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
>>>>> became the answer to my prayers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
>>>>> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
>>>>> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
>>>>> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
>>>>> closed source case, not so much.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
>>>>> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
>>>>> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
>>>>>> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
>>>>>> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
>>>>>> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
>>>>>> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
>>>>> even
>>>>>> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
>>>>>> the Sun even more.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
>>>>>> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
>>>>> as
>>>>>> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
>>>>>> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>>>>> Raspberry
>>>>>> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ....LMAO....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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From electricity440 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 16:21:23 2019
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:21:23 -0600
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Here is a direct recording from Doug Crompton on his interview on QSO today:
He states the downside of IRLP on the closed source manner, and the fact is
operated by one person, and then later states the benefits of AllStar
Sounds familiar Doug??

kg0sky.duckdns.org/doug_crompton.wav

Whole interview can be found here:
https://www.qsotoday.com/podcasts/wa3dsp

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:58 AM todd at lesser.com <todd at nccom.com> wrote:

> They definitely didn?t say anything about public domain and actually
> acknowledged on their web page that it open source! In other words, they
> knew it was open source when they chose to download the source code. They
> knew that any changes they made and redistributed that they have to release
> back to the community.
>
> https://www.hamvoip.org
>
> ?Why Allstar?
>
> We are often asked why Allstar with all of the new RF digital repeaters
> and their VOIP connection schemes out there. The best answer is open
> source, quality audio, and freedom to do what you want. Dstar, Fusion, DMR,
> etc are all at least partially if not completely proprietary systems??
>
> To make matters even worse, they now they are monetizing on all the work
> many people have done to make Allstar what it is today by asking for people
> to send them money!
>
> I know there are some personality conflicts with Doug and some of the tech
> support people. I personally have tried to be the buffer and was rebuffed.
> There is no excuse not to release the code.
>
> Jim Dixon would be so upset if he was alive today.
> Shame on them.
>
> On Jul 7, 2019, at 17:00, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>
> Seems pretty clear to me. It seemed pretty clear to me when V1.5RC was
> released a couple years ago and I, among others, asked about why the source
> was not forthcoming. The reasons seem to change somewhat every so often.
> I?d have to look at the original email, but it definitely didn?t mention
> any belief that app_rpt or anything related was public domain.
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name <buddy at brannan.name>
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I asked Todd to comment on this. He has done so here:
> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/history-of-zapata-telephony-asterisk-allstar-and-app-rpt-open-source/15162
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Zapatelephony predates both app_rpt and Asterisk. Asterisk and app_rpt are
> based on concepts presented on the Zapatelephony web site. This bit of
> history is not well understood but Todd Lesser (who's name in on that site
> and is a current AllStar board member) was there through it all. That
> Zapatelephony site is about the circuit board. Read the whole
> http://zapatatelephony.org web site, not just the one page taken out of
> context.
>
> The Zapatelephony circuit board was released under public domain to lower
> the cost of PBX creation. Asterisk and app_rpt have been open source since
> day one. There is no question about that any "proof" to the contrary is
> plainly wrong.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>
>
> Joshua,
>
>
> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2"
> comments.
>
> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
>
> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
>
> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is:
> 17STPB08347
>
> Go to this website and search for the case number:
>
> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
>
>
> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
>
> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
>
>
> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the flames
> (hearsay) fly.
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>
> John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
> respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
> You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand the
> deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
> this too.
>
> I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
> is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
> networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
> offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
> (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
>
> Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
> done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
> proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
> deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
> not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
> fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
> easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the credit
> for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
> was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
> that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this gift.
> Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
>
> 100% agree with everything you said.
>
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>
> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
> the benefit of open source
>
> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
> became the answer to my prayers.
>
> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
> closed source case, not so much.
>
> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>
> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>
> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>
> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
>
> even
>
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
> the Sun even more.
>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
>
> as
>
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>
> Raspberry
>
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>
>
> ....LMAO....
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
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Subject: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
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Hey that's a good one!

Le mar. 9 juill. 2019 12 h 21, Skyler F <electricity440 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Here is a direct recording from Doug Crompton on his interview on QSO
> today:
> He states the downside of IRLP on the closed source manner, and the fact
> is operated by one person, and then later states the benefits of AllStar
> Sounds familiar Doug??
>
> kg0sky.duckdns.org/doug_crompton.wav
>
> Whole interview can be found here:
> https://www.qsotoday.com/podcasts/wa3dsp
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:58 AM todd at lesser.com <todd at nccom.com> wrote:
>
>> They definitely didn?t say anything about public domain and actually
>> acknowledged on their web page that it open source! In other words, they
>> knew it was open source when they chose to download the source code. They
>> knew that any changes they made and redistributed that they have to release
>> back to the community.
>>
>> https://www.hamvoip.org
>>
>> ?Why Allstar?
>>
>> We are often asked why Allstar with all of the new RF digital repeaters
>> and their VOIP connection schemes out there. The best answer is open
>> source, quality audio, and freedom to do what you want. Dstar, Fusion, DMR,
>> etc are all at least partially if not completely proprietary systems??
>>
>> To make matters even worse, they now they are monetizing on all the work
>> many people have done to make Allstar what it is today by asking for people
>> to send them money!
>>
>> I know there are some personality conflicts with Doug and some of the
>> tech support people. I personally have tried to be the buffer and was
>> rebuffed. There is no excuse not to release the code.
>>
>> Jim Dixon would be so upset if he was alive today.
>> Shame on them.
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 17:00, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>>
>> Seems pretty clear to me. It seemed pretty clear to me when V1.5RC was
>> released a couple years ago and I, among others, asked about why the source
>> was not forthcoming. The reasons seem to change somewhat every so often.
>> I?d have to look at the original email, but it definitely didn?t mention
>> any belief that app_rpt or anything related was public domain.
>>
>>
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name <buddy at brannan.name>
>> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I asked Todd to comment on this. He has done so here:
>> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/history-of-zapata-telephony-asterisk-allstar-and-app-rpt-open-source/15162
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Zapatelephony predates both app_rpt and Asterisk. Asterisk and app_rpt
>> are based on concepts presented on the Zapatelephony web site. This bit of
>> history is not well understood but Todd Lesser (who's name in on that site
>> and is a current AllStar board member) was there through it all. That
>> Zapatelephony site is about the circuit board. Read the whole
>> http://zapatatelephony.org web site, not just the one page taken out of
>> context.
>>
>> The Zapatelephony circuit board was released under public domain to lower
>> the cost of PBX creation. Asterisk and app_rpt have been open source since
>> day one. There is no question about that any "proof" to the contrary is
>> plainly wrong.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Joshua,
>>
>>
>> I am now restating FACTS which have been presented multiple times. While
>> various persons will quickly try and dispute these statements, to this
>> date, NO ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't
>> truth. There continues to be plenty of hearsay and "oh, it's all GPL2"
>> comments.
>>
>> The fact is that I firmly believe that app_rpt and some related software
>> are dedicated to the public domain, as is stated in this document which
>> was on the "official"  Zapata Telephony website from 2005 through 2016.
>> See the fine print at the bottom of this document:
>>
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20160315124205/http://zapatatelephony.org/Rpt_Flow.pdf
>>
>> AllStar Link Inc (ASL) is an organization which formed after Jim Dixon
>> died INTESTATE (he had no will).  I have not been presented with any PROOF
>> that ASL has LEGAL ownership of *ANYTHING* related to Jim Dixon's estate.
>> While various persons will quickly dispute this statement with hearsay, NO
>> ONE has provided ANY LEGAL PROOF that this information isn't truth.
>>
>> If you wish to lookup Jim Dixon's probate case, the case number is:
>> 17STPB08347
>>
>> Go to this website and search for the case number:
>>
>> http://www.lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/index.aspx?casetype=probate
>>
>>
>> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
>> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
>>
>> So, there isn't any "face to lose."  The HamVoIP team has done nothing
>> wrong. My earlier post, which is at the bottom of this message, is simply
>> a response to the stupidity of implications being made by others.
>>
>>
>> Enough said, I've got other more important fish to fry. Now let the
>> flames
>> (hearsay) fly.
>>
>>
>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>>
>> John don't go so far as to lose the dignity. Many of us in both aisles
>> respect you both as developers even though we don't agree with this move.
>> You're now making jokes about something serious and most who understand
>> the
>> deeper issues know it is not a laughing matter, as a developer you know
>> this too.
>>
>> I am not bashing you guys. I know you guys have good intentions. Doug too
>> is a good man. You have made Pi specific improvements, you know VoIP
>> networking very well (probably better than the ASL team) and your team
>> offers TONS of support to the public. But those of us who know software
>> (yourself included) also know you are not doing the right thing.
>>
>> Forking software is one thing, and is acceptable, but that is not what was
>> done. You can not take open source software and brand it as your own
>> proprietary product, released as a package or not. I am sure you feel a
>> deep connection to it after all the years you've put into it, but it was
>> not yours to foster in the first place. Worse than that you are trying to
>> fork the entire community. It is getting ugly and you could fix it all so
>> easily. Your improvements are good, so commit it to master, take the
>> credit
>> for it and be done with what could get nasty. Don't lose face on this. It
>> was a gift to all of us on the condition that it remain open, it really is
>> that simple. Have some respect for Jim and the team that gave us this
>> gift.
>> Please just do the right thing and let's put this behind us.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 2:49 PM Robert Ruddy <bob at ruddy.net> wrote:
>>
>> 100% agree with everything you said.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 13:37 Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in
>> the compiled hamvoip code.  That is something that really on concerns
>> me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal.  Here we just have
>> two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.
>>
>> The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see
>> the benefit of open source
>>
>> Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically
>> App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)
>> from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source
>> issues.  And I am no appliance operator.  I can only be satisfied so
>> long being and end user.  I wanted to modify things, change things
>> that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to.  Allstar
>> became the answer to my prayers.
>>
>> Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many
>> you will be unsatisfied at some point later.  Then there is the whole
>> what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug?  In an
>> opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has.  In the
>> closed source case, not so much.
>>
>> Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.
>>
>> Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...
>>
>> Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out
>> there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other
>> than by providing something geared for appliance folks.
>>
>> Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP
>> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it
>> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect
>> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.
>> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means
>>
>> even
>>
>> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens
>> the Sun even more.
>>
>> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962
>> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough,
>>
>> as
>>
>> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot
>> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge
>>
>> Raspberry
>>
>> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.
>>
>>
>> ....LMAO....
>>
>>
>> 73, David KB4FXC
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Tim WD6AWP
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tim WD6AWP
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Tue Jul  9 17:19:09 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:19:09 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
In-Reply-To: <CAOpEAy498QyREGmptGZSu3YO4=bn5ELZf1jyMjj9UUPZzg1saQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOpEAy498QyREGmptGZSu3YO4=bn5ELZf1jyMjj9UUPZzg1saQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4a7ba43-5ab2-e803-a3a4-e95261659f57@bryanfields.net>

On 7/8/19 3:56 AM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
> Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the YouTube
> tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it can be
> downloaded here:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE

Cool, you should add this to the wiki.

Another thing I've been thinking, since we both have google accounts, take the
files and send them to the speech to text google service.  We could add in a
small plugin to the node log and reference the filename and the text.  You
could grep for callsigns :)

https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/
> Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official
> Allstar Community forum here: https://community.allstarlink.org/

Well it's not really used by anyone.  Lists are superior they are not subject
to the same sort of censorship as a web forum.
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 18:36:25 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 01:36:25 +0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
In-Reply-To: <d4a7ba43-5ab2-e803-a3a4-e95261659f57@bryanfields.net>
References: <CAOpEAy498QyREGmptGZSu3YO4=bn5ELZf1jyMjj9UUPZzg1saQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d4a7ba43-5ab2-e803-a3a4-e95261659f57@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <CAOpEAy5srx_tp0voUpskESj-dEMMgQFvWcxC4+9uUvW7-HBFfg@mail.gmail.com>

First let me say thank you for the response Bryan, you have given this
community so much and I personally am grateful for your work.

So you are thinking of transcriptions of the audio recordings? I t would be
a fun test! I like the idea. I would be curious how the tool would handle
the nuances of radio. Issues such as the horrid static of RF out of range,
the robotic narrow bandwidth of digital modes, the accents of world and so
on. Again I think the test would be fun.

As far as the forum vs. mail list thing... I just find it difficult to
monitor so many channels and maillists have modlists/banlists as I am 90%
sure you probably are aware. :P

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 12:19 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:

> On 7/8/19 3:56 AM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
> > Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the
> YouTube
> > tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it can be
> > downloaded here:
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE
>
> Cool, you should add this to the wiki.
>
> Another thing I've been thinking, since we both have google accounts, take
> the
> files and send them to the speech to text google service.  We could add in
> a
> small plugin to the node log and reference the filename and the text.  You
> could grep for callsigns :)
>
> https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/
> > Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official
> > Allstar Community forum here: https://community.allstarlink.org/
>
> Well it's not really used by anyone.  Lists are superior they are not
> subject
> to the same sort of censorship as a web forum.
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
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From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 19:02:28 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:02:28 +0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
In-Reply-To: <CAOpEAy5srx_tp0voUpskESj-dEMMgQFvWcxC4+9uUvW7-HBFfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOpEAy498QyREGmptGZSu3YO4=bn5ELZf1jyMjj9UUPZzg1saQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d4a7ba43-5ab2-e803-a3a4-e95261659f57@bryanfields.net>
 <CAOpEAy5srx_tp0voUpskESj-dEMMgQFvWcxC4+9uUvW7-HBFfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpEAy5_LvYtpPxOi9G32rNhJpHf12UOa9O0LVV-=8Mo4QrGjA@mail.gmail.com>

I uploaded a couple sample audio clips to see how quickly it could
transcribe. It is nothing that could be done in real time, they took 40-90
seconds on average. The accuracy results on the first file was pretty good,
I was impressed. The second file not so much haha.... Take a listen. Still
it would be fun, now I am looking forward to the humor honestly.

Link to Audio File 1 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023732.mp3>

*Resulting Transcription*
[image: Rec01.png]

Link to Audio File 2 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023755.mp3>

*Resulting Transcription*
[image: Rec02.png]

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:36 AM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:

> First let me say thank you for the response Bryan, you have given this
> community so much and I personally am grateful for your work.
>
> So you are thinking of transcriptions of the audio recordings? I t would
> be a fun test! I like the idea. I would be curious how the tool would
> handle the nuances of radio. Issues such as the horrid static of RF out of
> range, the robotic narrow bandwidth of digital modes, the accents of world
> and so on. Again I think the test would be fun.
>
> As far as the forum vs. mail list thing... I just find it difficult to
> monitor so many channels and maillists have modlists/banlists as I am 90%
> sure you probably are aware. :P
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 12:19 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/8/19 3:56 AM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>> > Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the
>> YouTube
>> > tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it can be
>> > downloaded here:
>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE
>>
>> Cool, you should add this to the wiki.
>>
>> Another thing I've been thinking, since we both have google accounts,
>> take the
>> files and send them to the speech to text google service.  We could add
>> in a
>> small plugin to the node log and reference the filename and the text.  You
>> could grep for callsigns :)
>>
>> https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/
>> > Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official
>> > Allstar Community forum here: https://community.allstarlink.org/
>>
>> Well it's not really used by anyone.  Lists are superior they are not
>> subject
>> to the same sort of censorship as a web forum.
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> http://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
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>> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press
>> the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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From kb9mwr at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 01:39:01 2019
From: kb9mwr at gmail.com (Steve L)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 20:39:01 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
In-Reply-To: <CAOpEAy5_LvYtpPxOi9G32rNhJpHf12UOa9O0LVV-=8Mo4QrGjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOpEAy498QyREGmptGZSu3YO4=bn5ELZf1jyMjj9UUPZzg1saQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d4a7ba43-5ab2-e803-a3a4-e95261659f57@bryanfields.net>
 <CAOpEAy5srx_tp0voUpskESj-dEMMgQFvWcxC4+9uUvW7-HBFfg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAK4XxyTsgiR013D8LL=+ktFiLUsu2rVxwyehhxbScqkeGoCAGg@mail.gmail.com>

There was some brief discussion back in January about using artificial
intelligence (AI) to control Allstar.

It was in response to a hackaday entry about a google assistant on ham
radio.



On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:02 PM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I uploaded a couple sample audio clips to see how quickly it could
> transcribe. It is nothing that could be done in real time, they took 40-90
> seconds on average. The accuracy results on the first file was pretty good,
> I was impressed. The second file not so much haha.... Take a listen. Still
> it would be fun, now I am looking forward to the humor honestly.
>
> Link to Audio File 1 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023732.mp3>
>
> *Resulting Transcription*
> [image: Rec01.png]
>
> Link to Audio File 2 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023755.mp3>
>
> *Resulting Transcription*
> [image: Rec02.png]
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:36 AM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> First let me say thank you for the response Bryan, you have given this
>> community so much and I personally am grateful for your work.
>>
>> So you are thinking of transcriptions of the audio recordings? I t would
>> be a fun test! I like the idea. I would be curious how the tool would
>> handle the nuances of radio. Issues such as the horrid static of RF out of
>> range, the robotic narrow bandwidth of digital modes, the accents of world
>> and so on. Again I think the test would be fun.
>>
>> As far as the forum vs. mail list thing... I just find it difficult to
>> monitor so many channels and maillists have modlists/banlists as I am 90%
>> sure you probably are aware. :P
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 12:19 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/8/19 3:56 AM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>>> > Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the
>>> YouTube
>>> > tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it can be
>>> > downloaded here:
>>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE
>>>
>>> Cool, you should add this to the wiki.
>>>
>>> Another thing I've been thinking, since we both have google accounts,
>>> take the
>>> files and send them to the speech to text google service.  We could add
>>> in a
>>> small plugin to the node log and reference the filename and the text.
>>> You
>>> could grep for callsigns :)
>>>
>>> https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/
>>> > Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official
>>> > Allstar Community forum here: https://community.allstarlink.org/
>>>
>>> Well it's not really used by anyone.  Lists are superior they are not
>>> subject
>>> to the same sort of censorship as a web forum.
>>> --
>>> Bryan Fields
>>>
>>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>>> http://bryanfields.net
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and
>>> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press
>>> the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
>>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email
>>> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to
>>> the list detailing the problem.
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 02:03:17 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:03:17 +0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
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Thanks for sharing Steve. The idea is very cool and it would be fun to play
with it more. Personally, I am not a fan of bringing the home assistants
into the ham space, at least not on the air. I have used Amazon (echo)
Alexa and Google Home both to link and unlink from various nodes, announce
time/IP and reboot but the variables were pre-programmed with a few of my
favorites, kind of like memory stations/channels. I have heard Siri on the
air in the past. I do not like putting the audio on the air at all or
letting people know that my node can be controlled by anyone's voice.
Remember it is speech recognition, not voice recognition.

I think Pierre Martel is working on a project similar to what you describe,
using a keyword to start listening to commands on the node itself - inline
with the audio live. So if configured properly right in the middle of his
QSO transmission he could say "We've been getting a lot of rain here...
Allstar Connect to node 45373... Let's see what John's weather is like over
in Madrid". Interesting concept, and a great goal to practice scripting,
but far too insecure for my liking to be put into play on one of my public
nodes. Private node? Perhaps.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:39 AM Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:

> There was some brief discussion back in January about using artificial
> intelligence (AI) to control Allstar.
>
> It was in response to a hackaday entry about a google assistant on ham
> radio.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:02 PM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I uploaded a couple sample audio clips to see how quickly it could
>> transcribe. It is nothing that could be done in real time, they took 40-90
>> seconds on average. The accuracy results on the first file was pretty good,
>> I was impressed. The second file not so much haha.... Take a listen. Still
>> it would be fun, now I am looking forward to the humor honestly.
>>
>> Link to Audio File 1 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023732.mp3>
>>
>> *Resulting Transcription*
>> [image: Rec01.png]
>>
>> Link to Audio File 2 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023755.mp3>
>>
>> *Resulting Transcription*
>> [image: Rec02.png]
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:36 AM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> First let me say thank you for the response Bryan, you have given this
>>> community so much and I personally am grateful for your work.
>>>
>>> So you are thinking of transcriptions of the audio recordings? I t would
>>> be a fun test! I like the idea. I would be curious how the tool would
>>> handle the nuances of radio. Issues such as the horrid static of RF out of
>>> range, the robotic narrow bandwidth of digital modes, the accents of world
>>> and so on. Again I think the test would be fun.
>>>
>>> As far as the forum vs. mail list thing... I just find it difficult to
>>> monitor so many channels and maillists have modlists/banlists as I am 90%
>>> sure you probably are aware. :P
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 12:19 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/8/19 3:56 AM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>>>> > Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the
>>>> YouTube
>>>> > tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it can
>>>> be
>>>> > downloaded here:
>>>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE
>>>>
>>>> Cool, you should add this to the wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Another thing I've been thinking, since we both have google accounts,
>>>> take the
>>>> files and send them to the speech to text google service.  We could add
>>>> in a
>>>> small plugin to the node log and reference the filename and the text.
>>>> You
>>>> could grep for callsigns :)
>>>>
>>>> https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/
>>>> > Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official
>>>> > Allstar Community forum here: https://community.allstarlink.org/
>>>>
>>>> Well it's not really used by anyone.  Lists are superior they are not
>>>> subject
>>>> to the same sort of censorship as a web forum.
>>>> --
>>>> Bryan Fields
>>>>
>>>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>>>> http://bryanfields.net
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
>>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>> and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and
>>>> press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
>>>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email
>>>> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to
>>>> the list detailing the problem.
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Wed Jul 10 02:27:39 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 22:27:39 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
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On 7/9/19 3:02 PM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
> I uploaded a couple sample audio clips to see how quickly it could
> transcribe. It is nothing that could be done in real time, they took 40-90
> seconds on average. The accuracy results on the first file was pretty good,
> I was impressed. The second file not so much haha.... Take a listen. Still
> it would be fun, now I am looking forward to the humor honestly.

Neat.  I actually played around with it several months back.

> Link to Audio File 1 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023732.mp3>
> 
> *Resulting Transcription*

Do tell!  What's it transcribe to?

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From petem001 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 02:44:19 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 22:44:19 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
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Yeah, I,ve been able to work with both porcupine (wake word detection) and
chetah speech to text, and rhino speech to intent.

They all work well and they dont need any links to a server online like
alexa or google home.

My problem is with splitting the audio from the receiver to both app-rpt
and wake word and other software . Then sending the answer only to the node
where the command been sent from. They answer could realy be some local
play command, and a ifttt server that do the script needed when a certain
command is understood.. But when a node is connected to anynode every node
audio could trigger a wake word trigger and do a command..

And thats what slowing me.



Le mar. 9 juil. 2019 ? 22:03, Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Thanks for sharing Steve. The idea is very cool and it would be fun to
> play with it more. Personally, I am not a fan of bringing the home
> assistants into the ham space, at least not on the air. I have used Amazon
> (echo) Alexa and Google Home both to link and unlink from various nodes,
> announce time/IP and reboot but the variables were pre-programmed with a
> few of my favorites, kind of like memory stations/channels. I have heard
> Siri on the air in the past. I do not like putting the audio on the air at
> all or letting people know that my node can be controlled by anyone's
> voice. Remember it is speech recognition, not voice recognition.
>
> I think Pierre Martel is working on a project similar to what you
> describe, using a keyword to start listening to commands on the node itself
> - inline with the audio live. So if configured properly right in the middle
> of his QSO transmission he could say "We've been getting a lot of rain
> here... Allstar Connect to node 45373... Let's see what John's weather is
> like over in Madrid". Interesting concept, and a great goal to practice
> scripting, but far too insecure for my liking to be put into play on one of
> my public nodes. Private node? Perhaps.
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:39 AM Steve L <kb9mwr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There was some brief discussion back in January about using artificial
>> intelligence (AI) to control Allstar.
>>
>> It was in response to a hackaday entry about a google assistant on ham
>> radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:02 PM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I uploaded a couple sample audio clips to see how quickly it could
>>> transcribe. It is nothing that could be done in real time, they took 40-90
>>> seconds on average. The accuracy results on the first file was pretty good,
>>> I was impressed. The second file not so much haha.... Take a listen. Still
>>> it would be fun, now I am looking forward to the humor honestly.
>>>
>>> Link to Audio File 1 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023732.mp3>
>>>
>>> *Resulting Transcription*
>>> [image: Rec01.png]
>>>
>>> Link to Audio File 2 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023755.mp3>
>>>
>>> *Resulting Transcription*
>>> [image: Rec02.png]
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:36 AM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> First let me say thank you for the response Bryan, you have given this
>>>> community so much and I personally am grateful for your work.
>>>>
>>>> So you are thinking of transcriptions of the audio recordings? I t
>>>> would be a fun test! I like the idea. I would be curious how the tool would
>>>> handle the nuances of radio. Issues such as the horrid static of RF out of
>>>> range, the robotic narrow bandwidth of digital modes, the accents of world
>>>> and so on. Again I think the test would be fun.
>>>>
>>>> As far as the forum vs. mail list thing... I just find it difficult to
>>>> monitor so many channels and maillists have modlists/banlists as I am 90%
>>>> sure you probably are aware. :P
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 12:19 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/8/19 3:56 AM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>>>>> > Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the
>>>>> YouTube
>>>>> > tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it can
>>>>> be
>>>>> > downloaded here:
>>>>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE
>>>>>
>>>>> Cool, you should add this to the wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thing I've been thinking, since we both have google accounts,
>>>>> take the
>>>>> files and send them to the speech to text google service.  We could
>>>>> add in a
>>>>> small plugin to the node log and reference the filename and the text.
>>>>> You
>>>>> could grep for callsigns :)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/
>>>>> > Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official
>>>>> > Allstar Community forum here: https://community.allstarlink.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Well it's not really used by anyone.  Lists are superior they are not
>>>>> subject
>>>>> to the same sort of censorship as a web forum.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bryan Fields
>>>>>
>>>>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>>>>> http://bryanfields.net
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>>>
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From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 02:52:46 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 21:52:46 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
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Sorry Bryan I didn't realize that the images weren't shared/posted. The
first audio clip was transcribed almost perfectly. The second one asked "Is
that a pinched nerve surgery where they like moving in herb underneath the
balls?"... Good ole Google.

Pierre the Sox package should split the audio for you. I agree the wake
word would be an issue, but maybe not if it monitors on a private node from
your mic only?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 9:27 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:

> On 7/9/19 3:02 PM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
> > I uploaded a couple sample audio clips to see how quickly it could
> > transcribe. It is nothing that could be done in real time, they took
> 40-90
> > seconds on average. The accuracy results on the first file was pretty
> good,
> > I was impressed. The second file not so much haha.... Take a listen.
> Still
> > it would be fun, now I am looking forward to the humor honestly.
>
> Neat.  I actually played around with it several months back.
>
> > Link to Audio File 1 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023732.mp3>
> >
> > *Resulting Transcription*
>
> Do tell!  What's it transcribe to?
>
> 73's
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 11:58:58 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 07:58:58 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
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Is app_rpt using sox at all? I need to find more on this.


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Le mar. 9 juil. 2019 ? 22:52, Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Sorry Bryan I didn't realize that the images weren't shared/posted. The
> first audio clip was transcribed almost perfectly. The second one asked "Is
> that a pinched nerve surgery where they like moving in herb underneath the
> balls?"... Good ole Google.
>
> Pierre the Sox package should split the audio for you. I agree the wake
> word would be an issue, but maybe not if it monitors on a private node from
> your mic only?
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 9:27 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/9/19 3:02 PM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>> > I uploaded a couple sample audio clips to see how quickly it could
>> > transcribe. It is nothing that could be done in real time, they took
>> 40-90
>> > seconds on average. The accuracy results on the first file was pretty
>> good,
>> > I was impressed. The second file not so much haha.... Take a listen.
>> Still
>> > it would be fun, now I am looking forward to the humor honestly.
>>
>> Neat.  I actually played around with it several months back.
>>
>> > Link to Audio File 1 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023732.mp3
>> >
>> >
>> > *Resulting Transcription*
>>
>> Do tell!  What's it transcribe to?
>>
>> 73's
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> http://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
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From luvencl8 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 17:46:13 2019
From: luvencl8 at gmail.com (Lu V)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:46:13 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
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It is usually part of any Linux package. 

Sent from my iPhone, Lu Vencl

> On Jul 10, 2019, at 7:58 AM, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is app_rpt using sox at all? I need to find more on this.
> 
> 
> 	Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com
> 
>> Le mar. 9 juil. 2019 ? 22:52, Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>> Sorry Bryan I didn't realize that the images weren't shared/posted. The first audio clip was transcribed almost perfectly. The second one asked "Is that a pinched nerve surgery where they like moving in herb underneath the balls?"... Good ole Google.
>> 
>> Pierre the Sox package should split the audio for you. I agree the wake word would be an issue, but maybe not if it monitors on a private node from your mic only?
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 9:27 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
>>> On 7/9/19 3:02 PM, Joshua Nulton wrote:
>>> > I uploaded a couple sample audio clips to see how quickly it could
>>> > transcribe. It is nothing that could be done in real time, they took 40-90
>>> > seconds on average. The accuracy results on the first file was pretty good,
>>> > I was impressed. The second file not so much haha.... Take a listen. Still
>>> > it would be fun, now I am looking forward to the humor honestly.
>>> 
>>> Neat.  I actually played around with it several months back.
>>> 
>>> > Link to Audio File 1 <http://108.61.224.90/library/2019-07-05023732.mp3>
>>> > 
>>> > *Resulting Transcription*
>>> 
>>> Do tell!  What's it transcribe to?
>>> 
>>> 73's
>>> -- 
>>> Bryan Fields
>>> 
>>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>>> http://bryanfields.net
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>> 
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From tgundo2003 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 10 19:12:14 2019
From: tgundo2003 at yahoo.com (TGundo 2003)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:12:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Recording your QSO's as an MP3 file
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 Joshua-
Would you be willing to share how you sync to google drive? I'm pretty green in linux, but I love the idea of recording this and shipping it off to a google drive.
Thanks!TomW9SRV
    On Monday, July 8, 2019, 05:55:51 PM CDT, Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I hope you do try it Russell, if you run into hiccups feel free to reach out. But after watching some your videos I am confident you can pull this mod off in under 10 minutes. As far as the few questions, I have it running in two different ways on 2 different servers.
Server #1 the script runs every 30 seconds by a cron job and the files are synced to Google Drive, not even hosted on the node server. Since my Drive account has 500GB of space I don't really need to think about deleting anything.Server #2 the script runs on command only. I run an MQTT server on the host and a simple button on my phone to send an MQTT message. When the message trips from 0 (false) to 1 (true) the bash script executes for one run.
If you are on a system that you are concerned with file space you could periodically (daily even) run a script that will purge any .mp3 file in said directory that is beyond XX days old. So in bash form it would look something like this with 21 being the day count, feel free to modify that number:
#!/bin/bash
find /var/www/html/library/ -type f -mtime +21 -name '*.mp3' -execdir rm -- '{}' \;done
On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:33 AM Russell Thomas <russell at kv4s.com> wrote:

I watched this today and I might give it a shot.I'm assuming you just setup a crontab schedule to kick off the script?
Also, do we need a delete script to remove them if the MP3s are older than a month or week.
73,
Russell Thomas, KV4S
DMR TG: 240218 | YSF: US KV4S | D-STAR: XRF334R
Allstar: 47923 | IRLP: 4535 | EchoLink: KV4S-L
Web: http://KV4S.com
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 2:57 AM Joshua Nulton <kg5ebi at gmail.com> wrote:

I have put together a <15 minute tutorial on everything needed to record the QSO's on your Allstar node, move them to an internet accessible web folder and convert them from large .WAV files (the compression used is not all that bad really) into manageable .MP3 files that will play back simply through your browser.
YouTube link:?https://youtu.be/SnOBoF85k0k

The process requires the installation of 4 packages.   
   - Apache2 (most likely have this installed already)
   - rsync (very small, lightweight and reliable)
   - ffmpeg to convert the audio
   - lame encoder to convert to mp3 codec
Installation and configuration of everything is demonstrated in the YouTube tutorial video. If you don't want to type out the bash script it can be downloaded here:https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-z9UgW_L81MKl9eBKqMmDeT0xO9jl7qE

The software mentioned above will still need installed as per video instructions. Quick overview is here:
sudo -sapt updateapt-get install apache2apt-get install rsyncapt-get install ffmpegapt-get install lamemkdir /var/www/html/library
Enjoy and if you have any questions, please post them on the official Allstar Community forum here:?https://community.allstarlink.org/73'sJae? ?KG5EBI_______________________________________________
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Thu Jul 11 03:56:44 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 23:56:44 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal issue
Message-ID: <1644c82c-e324-3a9f-1787-2a95c7c5b14a@bryanfields.net>

We're aware of an issue with our provider for the 763-230-0000 and
509-ALL-STAR numbers fast busying.  I've opened a ticket, not sure when it's
going to have a resolution.

Sip is up, so it's some sort of a PSTN routing issue on their end.

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Thu Jul 11 15:18:51 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:18:51 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal issue
In-Reply-To: <1644c82c-e324-3a9f-1787-2a95c7c5b14a@bryanfields.net>
References: <1644c82c-e324-3a9f-1787-2a95c7c5b14a@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <875ae4d3-fb26-661e-728d-d7c9ed852414@bryanfields.net>

On 7/10/19 11:56 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> We're aware of an issue with our provider for the 763-230-0000 and
> 509-ALL-STAR numbers fast busying.  I've opened a ticket, not sure when it's
> going to have a resolution.
> 
> Sip is up, so it's some sort of a PSTN routing issue on their end.

As of this morning it looks like it's working.

A reminder, if you're having a problem, post about it on this list or send an
email to he help desk.  Bitching about it on a third party forum like facebook
isn't the right way to go about it.

-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 04:05:42 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:05:42 +0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Using MQTT to monitor connection status
Message-ID: <CAOpEAy6L7_f1i8_FuQi=D_AUw=LoTBDDEgXF4qRFOJNEQJs9Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a 1 minute video demonstrating another way MQTT can be used on your
Allstar server. I am using it to monitor the connection status to other
nodes. On the app side on the phone there is an icon that looks like an
LED. If the node is connected to my node the LED is green. If it is not
connected the LED goes to red. Additional alerts, vibrations, sound alarms,
auto reconnect scripts and more could be set up, but just the visual
indicator is enough for my use case.

Notice though the delay.... it is only about 300ms between the connection
status changing to the app seeing it. That is a pretty quick notification
rate. The best thing about the MQTT protocol is that the system is so
lightweight that you probably would not even see a 1% increase in system
resource usage. Super light, super fast, free, open source and very
extensible - what more could ya' want or of a messaging protocol?

YouTube Video link is here: https://youtu.be/M2wnmIV-o74
73's
Jae KG5EBI
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From bcranston at wideopenwest.com  Sat Jul 13 15:49:35 2019
From: bcranston at wideopenwest.com (Ben Cranston)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:49:35 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Making a node with a baofeng 888s 2018 ver9 radio
Message-ID: <0540C9D7-0670-42FD-B6C9-BC74A1DAC1F4@wideopenwest.com>

Greetings,
Has anyone come across this ?new? variant of the 888s radio?  I?ve been looking over the guide(s) on modifying them for use with AllStar and cannot for the life of me figure out where several of the signals can be picked up..  Here?s an image of the back of the main board in the radio:



I?ve removed the 5 screws on this board but also cannot figure out how to liberate it from the heatsink/RF shield on the bottom of it.  Anyone with some ideas or experience with this variant of the 888?  I?m a bit lost.  The Crompton guide (http://crompton.com/hamradio/baofeng888/ <http://crompton.com/hamradio/baofeng888/>) stops with the 2015 ver7 iteration of this radio.  The little header/through holes used in the guides are not present, or I cannot find them.  Thanks all!

73 KE8CGS
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Sat Jul 13 19:10:35 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 15:10:35 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Making a node with a baofeng 888s 2018 ver9
 radio
In-Reply-To: <0540C9D7-0670-42FD-B6C9-BC74A1DAC1F4@wideopenwest.com>
References: <0540C9D7-0670-42FD-B6C9-BC74A1DAC1F4@wideopenwest.com>
Message-ID: <f3b44d90-ef75-e32c-02d8-8ba61f395233@bryanfields.net>

On 7/13/19 11:49 AM, Ben Cranston wrote:
> Greetings, Has anyone come across this ?new? variant of the 888s radio?
> I?ve been looking over the guide(s) on modifying them for use with AllStar
> and cannot for the life of me figure out where several of the signals can
> be picked up..  Here?s an image of the back of the main board in the
> radio:

The only thing about these radios which is good is the price.  In RF, audio,
and interface performance they are truly terrible.

I've attempted to get discriminator audio out of them, and it's impossible as
the entire radio from RF input to audio output is on a single chip.  This
means you're limited to using a simpleusb to drive them.

That said, yes, they change the boards all the time, and there are about a
dozen different variants of the 888 radio I've seen from different sellers.
But at under 10 USD per radio, even Macklemore can buy two.  If during probing
around, you blow it up, toss it and start over with the other one :)

I've not seen this latest version you describe, but it looks like you may have
to use some wirewrap wire and come off the IC on the component side of the
board directly now.  This isn't hard, but will require some skills to solder
to the pins of the SMD parts directly.

Happy probing,
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From km6toa at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 20:32:54 2019
From: km6toa at gmail.com (Matthew Simmons)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 13:32:54 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Making a node with a baofeng 888s 2018 ver9
 radio
In-Reply-To: <0540C9D7-0670-42FD-B6C9-BC74A1DAC1F4@wideopenwest.com>
References: <0540C9D7-0670-42FD-B6C9-BC74A1DAC1F4@wideopenwest.com>
Message-ID: <CAAAggjGTrBnkh3d8DGRryRa6jN=WPAyrO-xqoU3Zo_TTeGbAhw@mail.gmail.com>

I believe you are using the same board I used for my node. Here is a link
to the pictures I found on the site when I was modifying my 888.
https://hamvoip.org/hamradio/baofeng888/New-888-mods.pdf

Soldering onto the leg of the IC for the COS was not that hard. Small gauge
wire and a steady hand gets it done pretty easily.

Message me directly if you want detailed pics of my modified board.

-Matt
KM6TOA.





On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 8:49 AM Ben Cranston <bcranston at wideopenwest.com>
wrote:

> Greetings,
> Has anyone come across this ?new? variant of the 888s radio?  I?ve been
> looking over the guide(s) on modifying them for use with AllStar and cannot
> for the life of me figure out where several of the signals can be picked
> up..  Here?s an image of the back of the main board in the radio:
>
>
> I?ve removed the 5 screws on this board but also cannot figure out how to
> liberate it from the heatsink/RF shield on the bottom of it.  Anyone with
> some ideas or experience with this variant of the 888?  I?m a bit lost.
> The Crompton guide (http://crompton.com/hamradio/baofeng888/) stops with
> the 2015 ver7 iteration of this radio.  The little header/through holes
> used in the guides are not present, or I cannot find them.  Thanks all!
>
> 73 KE8CGS
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
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From W3XOX at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 14 18:14:22 2019
From: W3XOX at hotmail.com (Kevin Lear W3XOX)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:14:22 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] IAX2 percieved not registered. Help
Message-ID: <BN6PR13MB125150366319FBC92E308004E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

First of all I should say greeting to all in the group.

I've been trying to get my first node up for the past few days to no avail. I can not get my node to show up on the ASL node list.

I have heart beat,
Can ping google
can ping register.allstarlink.org
when I show IAX2 registry I receive "perceived unregistered"  https://imgur.com/a/YB5aq8t
[https://i.imgur.com/DArxxor.jpg?fb]<https://imgur.com/a/YB5aq8t>
Imgur<https://imgur.com/a/YB5aq8t>
IAX not registering
imgur.com

I have compared my rpt.conf, extensions.conf, iax.conf, modules.conf, manager.conf, simpleusb.conf to another known working nodes files and can not seem to find anything i'm missing.

Any help you can offer at this point is greatly appreciated.


Kevin P. Lear    W3XOX
ARRL Technical Specialist WPA
W3XOX at Hotmail.com

814-934-2500
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Sun Jul 14 18:41:32 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:41:32 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] IAX2 percieved not registered. Help
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR13MB125150366319FBC92E308004E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR13MB125150366319FBC92E308004E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <bed99a17-bb87-761e-7bc8-dbc0807bd1cf@bryanfields.net>

On 7/14/19 2:14 PM, Kevin Lear W3XOX wrote:
> First of all I should say greeting to all in the group.
> 
> I've been trying to get my first node up for the past few days to no avail.
> I can not get my node to show up on the ASL node list.

What's your IP and node number?  Are you sure your password matches what's in
the web portal and iax?

I'm not seeing you fail due to password or anything, it's like you're unable
to reach the register server.  Can you ping register.allstarlink.org?

> I have compared my rpt.conf, extensions.conf, iax.conf, modules.conf,
> manager.conf, simpleusb.conf to another known working nodes files and can
> not seem to find anything i'm missing.

I added your node number:passwd to a test node, and can confirm it works from
a known working allstar node:

44.98.254.145:4569    Y       50116       44.98.249.6:4569           60
Registered
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From W3XOX at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 14 21:51:14 2019
From: W3XOX at hotmail.com (Kevin Lear W3XOX)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 21:51:14 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] IAX2 percieved not registered. Help
In-Reply-To: <bed99a17-bb87-761e-7bc8-dbc0807bd1cf@bryanfields.net>
References: <BN6PR13MB125150366319FBC92E308004E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
 <bed99a17-bb87-761e-7bc8-dbc0807bd1cf@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <BN6PR13MB125122245E13D746761238F3E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Brian, 

207.255.83.251 is my up address node number is 50116. Password matched. 
Currently loading a new image and updating. 

Kevin P. Lear
ARRL WPA Technical Specialist
President Horseshoe Radio Club
W3XOX at Hotmail.com
814-934-2500


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/14/19 2:14 PM, Kevin Lear W3XOX wrote:
>> First of all I should say greeting to all in the group.
>> 
>> I've been trying to get my first node up for the past few days to no avail.
>> I can not get my node to show up on the ASL node list.
> 
> What's your IP and node number?  Are you sure your password matches what's in
> the web portal and iax?
> 
> I'm not seeing you fail due to password or anything, it's like you're unable
> to reach the register server.  Can you ping register.allstarlink.org?
> 
>> I have compared my rpt.conf, extensions.conf, iax.conf, modules.conf,
>> manager.conf, simpleusb.conf to another known working nodes files and can
>> not seem to find anything i'm missing.
> 
> I added your node number:passwd to a test node, and can confirm it works from
> a known working allstar node:
> 
> 44.98.254.145:4569    Y       50116       44.98.249.6:4569           60
> Registered
> -- 
> Bryan Fields
> 
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Sun Jul 14 22:17:59 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:17:59 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] IAX2 percieved not registered. Help
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR13MB125122245E13D746761238F3E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR13MB125150366319FBC92E308004E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <bed99a17-bb87-761e-7bc8-dbc0807bd1cf@bryanfields.net>
 <BN6PR13MB125122245E13D746761238F3E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <02461c72-bbb0-f5a8-d987-1979d2695567@bryanfields.net>

On 7/14/19 5:51 PM, Kevin Lear W3XOX wrote:
> Brian, 
> 
> 207.255.83.251 is my up address node number is 50116. Password matched. 

I'm going to bet you've mistyped something, double check.

I cannot ping 207.255.83.251 or traceroute to it and there's no traffic from
207.255.83.251 hitting any of the registration servers.

> Currently loading a new image and updating.

Troubleshoot what you have and figure it out before just re-installing.

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From W3XOX at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 15 00:22:00 2019
From: W3XOX at hotmail.com (Kevin Lear W3XOX)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 00:22:00 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] IAX2 percieved not registered. Help
In-Reply-To: <02461c72-bbb0-f5a8-d987-1979d2695567@bryanfields.net>
References: <BN6PR13MB125150366319FBC92E308004E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <bed99a17-bb87-761e-7bc8-dbc0807bd1cf@bryanfields.net>
 <BN6PR13MB125122245E13D746761238F3E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
 <02461c72-bbb0-f5a8-d987-1979d2695567@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <BN6PR13MB12510A0C4CEAFE952AE1C28FE4CF0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>



Kevin P. Lear
ARRL WPA Technical Specialist
President Horseshoe Radio Club
W3XOX at Hotmail.com
814-934-2500


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/14/19 5:51 PM, Kevin Lear W3XOX wrote:
>> Brian, 
>> 
>> 207.255.83.251 is my up address node number is 50116. Password matched. 
> 
> I'm going to bet you've mistyped something, double check.
> 
> I cannot ping 207.255.83.251 or traceroute to it and there's no traffic from
> 207.255.83.251 hitting any of the registration servers.
> 
>> Currently loading a new image and updating.
> 
> Troubleshoot what you have and figure it out before just re-installing.
> 
> 73's
> -- 
> Bryan Fields
> 
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> 
> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. 


From W3XOX at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 15 00:26:25 2019
From: W3XOX at hotmail.com (Kevin Lear W3XOX)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 00:26:25 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] IAX2 percieved not registered. Help
In-Reply-To: <02461c72-bbb0-f5a8-d987-1979d2695567@bryanfields.net>
References: <BN6PR13MB125150366319FBC92E308004E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <bed99a17-bb87-761e-7bc8-dbc0807bd1cf@bryanfields.net>
 <BN6PR13MB125122245E13D746761238F3E4CC0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
 <02461c72-bbb0-f5a8-d987-1979d2695567@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <BN6PR13MB12510ED0FA0DE91BF3221D5CE4CF0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Brian,

I?m back. 
Reloaded the image
Updated and still can not connect

I was on the phone and teamviewer with Fred that replied first for the last hour and half. He said he has done about 20 nodes and has not a clue as what?s is going on with mine. 

Mine turn to lean on you if I can. 
My ip is 207.255.83.251
Node 50116


Kevin P. Lear
ARRL WPA Technical Specialist
President Horseshoe Radio Club
W3XOX at Hotmail.com
814-934-2500


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/14/19 5:51 PM, Kevin Lear W3XOX wrote:
>> Brian, 
>> 
>> 207.255.83.251 is my up address node number is 50116. Password matched. 
> 
> I'm going to bet you've mistyped something, double check.
> 
> I cannot ping 207.255.83.251 or traceroute to it and there's no traffic from
> 207.255.83.251 hitting any of the registration servers.
> 
>> Currently loading a new image and updating.
> 
> Troubleshoot what you have and figure it out before just re-installing.
> 
> 73's
> -- 
> Bryan Fields
> 
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> 
> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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From W3XOX at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 15 02:28:01 2019
From: W3XOX at hotmail.com (Kevin Lear W3XOX)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 02:28:01 +0000
Subject: [App_rpt-users] IAX2 not perceived registered
Message-ID: <BN6PR13MB125172F00B9462E9F3E896F9E4CF0@BN6PR13MB1251.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

I want to put a thank you out to Bryan and Fred that helped trouble shoot my issue.

Turns out that the reason my node wasn't hitting the registration server is that I input an error when bringing ports through my router. So the issue was wholly on my end.

Again, Thank you Bryan and Fred for jumping in and offering your assistance.

Kevin P. Lear    W3XOX
ARRL Technical Specialist WPA
W3XOX at Hotmail.com

814-934-2500
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From gigahacker at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 02:32:20 2019
From: gigahacker at gmail.com (Darrell Black)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:32:20 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Connection Failed
Message-ID: <CAC23xXC__OY24t8GbMC0zs0+5_GL1Zb+XjTn5nGdCwtjvwg8Lw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a node behind my NAT router (50026):
192.168.1.250
port 4569 allstar
port 5198-5200 echolink
port 5201 supermon
The above all works!!! The echolink and allstar can accept connections from
outside

I have a second PI running a different node(49267):
192.168.1.249
port 4568 allstar
port 5202 supermon
This node will not connect to the first node..always a "Connection Failed"

I have updated the iax.conf file
[general]
bindport=4568
bindaddr=0.0.0.0

I have updated the the port at the server end to 4568

iax2 show registry
44.98.254.145:4569    Y       49267                  68.40.45.218:1025   60
 Registered

What have I missed?




-- 

Darrell Black

(517) 917-2226
GigaHacker at gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack


73 de W8DSB
"In God we trust, all others we monitor"

GMRS WRDE739
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Tue Jul 16 02:43:15 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:43:15 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Connection Failed
In-Reply-To: <CAC23xXC__OY24t8GbMC0zs0+5_GL1Zb+XjTn5nGdCwtjvwg8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC23xXC__OY24t8GbMC0zs0+5_GL1Zb+XjTn5nGdCwtjvwg8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9891f9e5-c234-7a5d-8f14-ff2f5731bdc5@bryanfields.net>

On 7/15/19 10:32 PM, Darrell Black wrote:
> I have a node behind my NAT router (50026):
> 192.168.1.250
> port 4569 allstar
> port 5198-5200 echolink
> port 5201 supermon
> The above all works!!! The echolink and allstar can accept connections from
> outside

https://wiki.allstarlink.org/wiki/Two_Servers_Behind_NAT_Router

You have to configure each node for the other's node number in the [nodes] stanza.

This is due to the IP for your nodes in extnodes being the public IP.  This
means node 49267 will try to connect to the public IP for 50026.  You need to
set this up so it knows the direct private IP connection.

Technically some routers can be configured to permit this, but most don't.

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From gigahacker at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 12:20:07 2019
From: gigahacker at gmail.com (Darrell Black)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 08:20:07 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 125, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1563278401.17088.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
References: <mailman.0.1563278401.17088.app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
Message-ID: <CAC23xXC8u2uu2uXUa+E6KB6UUqsUBZMtAXBGwayOd-ObHnCmrg@mail.gmail.com>

The additional node commands fixed the issue. Thank You

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> To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> Cc:
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:32:20 -0400
> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Connection Failed
> I have a node behind my NAT router (50026):
> 192.168.1.250
> port 4569 allstar
> port 5198-5200 echolink
> port 5201 supermon
> The above all works!!! The echolink and allstar can accept connections
> from outside
>
> I have a second PI running a different node(49267):
> 192.168.1.249
> port 4568 allstar
> port 5202 supermon
> This node will not connect to the first node..always a "Connection Failed"
>
> I have updated the iax.conf file
> [general]
> bindport=4568
> bindaddr=0.0.0.0
>
> I have updated the the port at the server end to 4568
>
> iax2 show registry
> 44.98.254.145:4569    Y       49267                  68.40.45.218:1025
>  60  Registered
>
> What have I missed?
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Darrell Black
>
> (517) 917-2226
> GigaHacker at gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack
>
>
> 73 de W8DSB
> "In God we trust, all others we monitor"
>
> GMRS WRDE739
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:43:15 -0400
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Connection Failed
> On 7/15/19 10:32 PM, Darrell Black wrote:
> > I have a node behind my NAT router (50026):
> > 192.168.1.250
> > port 4569 allstar
> > port 5198-5200 echolink
> > port 5201 supermon
> > The above all works!!! The echolink and allstar can accept connections
> from
> > outside
>
> https://wiki.allstarlink.org/wiki/Two_Servers_Behind_NAT_Router
>
> You have to configure each node for the other's node number in the [nodes]
> stanza.
>
> This is due to the IP for your nodes in extnodes being the public IP.  This
> means node 49267 will try to connect to the public IP for 50026.  You need
> to
> set this up so it knows the direct private IP connection.
>
> Technically some routers can be configured to permit this, but most don't.
>
> 73's
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 

Darrell Black

(517) 917-2226
GigaHacker at gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack


73 de W8DSB
"In God we trust, all others we monitor"

GMRS WRDE739
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From Ramesh at va3uv.com  Fri Jul 19 20:45:49 2019
From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:45:49 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] rpt_extnodes not updating
Message-ID: <8a970120-0bf3-7258-146d-10f4d5bff475@va3uv.com>

Hi Guys:

rpt_extnodes on one of my hub nodes (2200) is not being updated.? I
built this system on top of a stock Debian 9 OS' by following a
procedure that was supplied here via the group.

2200 seems to be reporting in and shows as registered...

Any ideas?

Thx!

Ramesh.

VA3UV, WA3UV



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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Fri Jul 19 21:04:48 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:04:48 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] rpt_extnodes not updating
In-Reply-To: <8a970120-0bf3-7258-146d-10f4d5bff475@va3uv.com>
References: <8a970120-0bf3-7258-146d-10f4d5bff475@va3uv.com>
Message-ID: <c3f2f785-3f89-fb2d-775b-4c9fd5f05ac7@bryanfields.net>

On 7/19/19 4:45 PM, Ramesh Dhami wrote:
> Hi Guys:
> 
> rpt_extnodes on one of my hub nodes (2200) is not being updated.? I
> built this system on top of a stock Debian 9 OS' by following a
> procedure that was supplied here via the group.
> 
> 2200 seems to be reporting in and shows as registered

It's online from 50.101.80.8.

On the node try this command:
$ curl -s http://register.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/nodes.pl | tail -n6

You should see output like the below.

;Generated 3361 records in 0.157 seconds.
;Served in 0.042 seconds.
;Served from cache: Yes
;Generated at 2019-07-19 20:59:46 UTC by register-tpa.allstarlink.org


If you don't, let me know and we'll go from there.

73's
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From Ramesh at va3uv.com  Fri Jul 19 21:06:54 2019
From: Ramesh at va3uv.com (Ramesh Dhami)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:06:54 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] rpt_extnodes not updating
In-Reply-To: <c3f2f785-3f89-fb2d-775b-4c9fd5f05ac7@bryanfields.net>
References: <8a970120-0bf3-7258-146d-10f4d5bff475@va3uv.com>
 <c3f2f785-3f89-fb2d-775b-4c9fd5f05ac7@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <18c90698-3572-81a1-551c-aa381f17c6d1@va3uv.com>

On 2019-07-19 5:04 p.m., Bryan Fields wrote:
> On 7/19/19 4:45 PM, Ramesh Dhami wrote:
>> Hi Guys:
>>
>> rpt_extnodes on one of my hub nodes (2200) is not being updated.? I
>> built this system on top of a stock Debian 9 OS' by following a
>> procedure that was supplied here via the group.
>>
>> 2200 seems to be reporting in and shows as registered
> It's online from 50.101.80.8.
>
> On the node try this command:
> $ curl -s http://register.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/nodes.pl | tail -n6
>
> You should see output like the below.
>
> ;Generated 3361 records in 0.157 seconds.
> ;Served in 0.042 seconds.
> ;Served from cache: Yes
> ;Generated at 2019-07-19 20:59:46 UTC by register-tpa.allstarlink.org
>
>
> If you don't, let me know and we'll go from there.
>
> 73's

<-- Hi Brian:

Yep - QSL...

;Generated 3352 records in 0.185 seconds.
;Served in 0.042 seconds.
;Served from cache: Yes
;Generated at 2019-07-19 21:05:47 UTC by register-tpa.allstarlink.org



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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Fri Jul 19 21:14:07 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:14:07 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] rpt_extnodes not updating
In-Reply-To: <18c90698-3572-81a1-551c-aa381f17c6d1@va3uv.com>
References: <8a970120-0bf3-7258-146d-10f4d5bff475@va3uv.com>
 <c3f2f785-3f89-fb2d-775b-4c9fd5f05ac7@bryanfields.net>
 <18c90698-3572-81a1-551c-aa381f17c6d1@va3uv.com>
Message-ID: <cf720118-e9d2-835d-8ffa-64fec73a9861@bryanfields.net>

On 7/19/19 5:06 PM, Ramesh Dhami wrote:
> <-- Hi Brian:
> 
> Yep - QSL...
> 
> ;Generated 3352 records in 0.185 seconds.
> ;Served in 0.042 seconds.
> ;Served from cache: Yes
> ;Generated at 2019-07-19 21:05:47 UTC by register-tpa.allstarlink.org

Ok, awesome the access list is permitting you in.

Now, do

$ ls -al /var/lib/asterisk/rpt_extnodes

You should see the following with a current date code.

-rwx------ 1 root root 171069 Jul 19 17:07 /var/lib/asterisk/rpt_extnodes

tail -n 6 /var/lib/asterisk/rpt_extnodes

This will show you the age of the file on your system and where it came from.

If this is not updating check that updatenodes is running on the host, it
should be started at system boot.

-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From george at dyb.com  Sat Jul 20 16:35:48 2019
From: george at dyb.com (George Csahanin)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:35:48 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Spectrum issue
Message-ID: <6f4a6e48-76f4-e1b8-7213-e1748bbb02c6@dyb.com>

Spectrum forced a router reboot this morning. When it came back up I 
can't connect out or in. The port forwarding is still correct.

On the nodelist my nodes are not shown with green background. On 
stats.allstarlink.org they are shown normally and uptime, etc is correct...

Any thoughts? It's been 45 minutes or so since the router restart, and I 
have also given a restart to the router and the node computers.

Suspecting Spectrum, was considering going back to AT&T... Didn't think 
any provider could be worse than ATT, but Spectrum sure is. When I 
called in to complain they guy actually hung up on me...

Oh yeah, email, web browse, streaming radio/tv all work fine.

GeorgeC W2DB

2360, 28599



From ka1mxl at cox.net  Sat Jul 20 17:57:03 2019
From: ka1mxl at cox.net (Kevin Halton)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:57:03 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Spectrum issue
In-Reply-To: <6f4a6e48-76f4-e1b8-7213-e1748bbb02c6@dyb.com>
References: <6f4a6e48-76f4-e1b8-7213-e1748bbb02c6@dyb.com>
Message-ID: <792121CF-3937-499E-97D8-F085E9DE2919@cox.net>

Both nodes show up time over 2 hours now  and I am able to connect to both. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 12:35 PM, George Csahanin <george at dyb.com> wrote:
> 
> Spectrum forced a router reboot this morning. When it came back up I can't connect out or in. The port forwarding is still correct.
> 
> On the nodelist my nodes are not shown with green background. On stats.allstarlink.org they are shown normally and uptime, etc is correct...
> 
> Any thoughts? It's been 45 minutes or so since the router restart, and I have also given a restart to the router and the node computers.
> 
> Suspecting Spectrum, was considering going back to AT&T... Didn't think any provider could be worse than ATT, but Spectrum sure is. When I called in to complain they guy actually hung up on me...
> 
> Oh yeah, email, web browse, streaming radio/tv all work fine.
> 
> GeorgeC W2DB
> 
> 2360, 28599
> 
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From george at dyb.com  Sat Jul 20 17:59:15 2019
From: george at dyb.com (George Csahanin)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:59:15 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Spectrum
Message-ID: <A733BB44-AAA6-4420-A2C1-E74D6DFABB26@dyb.com>

Gave a power off reset to the modem and router and it all came back snd works 
GeorgeC W2DB 2360, 28599

George Csahanin
Retired
Sent from my iPhone


From kg5ebi at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 21:11:50 2019
From: kg5ebi at gmail.com (Joshua Nulton)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:11:50 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Sync to Google Drive
Message-ID: <CAOpEAy4UN075r40E-XQeUTXS+mcjBUizi=sYMMmqX4WkaSujQQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am sorry Tom,  I didn't see your message until today.  There have been
numerous methods shared over the years to sync to Drive,  they seem to go
in and out of style depending on which is working the best as Google
modifies their code. I think the current flavor of the week is called
drivesync,  a tutorial that is easy to follow can be found here:
https://www.2daygeek.com/drivesync-google-drive-sync-client-for-linux/

Personally my method is quite a bit more complex as I sync to a database on
firebase, but the above link should get the job done for you.  Again sorry
for the delayed reply.

73's
Jae
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Sun Jul 21 17:21:20 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:21:20 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal and stats
Message-ID: <b3f47d47-235d-bbef-6e02-3f743b8fafab@bryanfields.net>

We're having a network outage today that has taken down the phone portal and
the stats server.

The admin team is working with our service provider to resolve this asap.

Thanks,
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Sun Jul 21 17:35:18 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:35:18 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal and stats
In-Reply-To: <b3f47d47-235d-bbef-6e02-3f743b8fafab@bryanfields.net>
References: <b3f47d47-235d-bbef-6e02-3f743b8fafab@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <8b79bdb5-d08e-5682-8baf-bb7e684911a9@bryanfields.net>

On 7/21/19 1:21 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> We're having a network outage today that has taken down the phone portal and
> the stats server.
> 
> The admin team is working with our service provider to resolve this asap.
> 
> Thanks,

Packets are routing once again, and Stats and the Phone Portal are back online.

Thanks,
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From paulkn2r at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 18:08:27 2019
From: paulkn2r at gmail.com (Paul - KN2R)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:08:27 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal and stats
In-Reply-To: <8b79bdb5-d08e-5682-8baf-bb7e684911a9@bryanfields.net>
References: <b3f47d47-235d-bbef-6e02-3f743b8fafab@bryanfields.net>
 <8b79bdb5-d08e-5682-8baf-bb7e684911a9@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <003b01d53fef$4c5e4dc0$e51ae940$@com>

The astdb database has been irretrievable all morning and still is.



-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Fields
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:35 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal and stats

On 7/21/19 1:21 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> We're having a network outage today that has taken down the phone 
> portal and the stats server.
> 
> The admin team is working with our service provider to resolve this asap.
> 
> Thanks,

Packets are routing once again, and Stats and the Phone Portal are back
online.

Thanks,
--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Sun Jul 21 18:30:08 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:30:08 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal and stats
In-Reply-To: <003b01d53fef$4c5e4dc0$e51ae940$@com>
References: <b3f47d47-235d-bbef-6e02-3f743b8fafab@bryanfields.net>
 <8b79bdb5-d08e-5682-8baf-bb7e684911a9@bryanfields.net>
 <003b01d53fef$4c5e4dc0$e51ae940$@com>
Message-ID: <4d2915a9-b280-c2b9-0906-ef79362c1f11@bryanfields.net>

On 7/21/19 2:08 PM, Paul - KN2R wrote:
> The astdb database has been irretrievable all morning and still is.

Paul, try now.  Looks like the tunnel this was going over was up/up, but was
not actually passing traffic.  I've kicked and confirmed it's working.

Thanks,
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From paulkn2r at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 18:33:33 2019
From: paulkn2r at gmail.com (Paul - KN2R)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:33:33 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal and stats
In-Reply-To: <4d2915a9-b280-c2b9-0906-ef79362c1f11@bryanfields.net>
References: <b3f47d47-235d-bbef-6e02-3f743b8fafab@bryanfields.net>
 <8b79bdb5-d08e-5682-8baf-bb7e684911a9@bryanfields.net>
 <003b01d53fef$4c5e4dc0$e51ae940$@com>
 <4d2915a9-b280-c2b9-0906-ef79362c1f11@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <003d01d53ff2$cdccbc40$696634c0$@com>

Working now, thanks!


-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Fields
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 2:30 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal and stats

On 7/21/19 2:08 PM, Paul - KN2R wrote:
> The astdb database has been irretrievable all morning and still is.

Paul, try now.  Looks like the tunnel this was going over was up/up, but was
not actually passing traffic.  I've kicked and confirmed it's working.

Thanks,
--
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Sun Jul 21 18:35:14 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:35:14 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Phone portal and stats
In-Reply-To: <003d01d53ff2$cdccbc40$696634c0$@com>
References: <b3f47d47-235d-bbef-6e02-3f743b8fafab@bryanfields.net>
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On 7/21/19 2:33 PM, Paul - KN2R wrote:
> Working now, thanks!

BTW, if you see something is down or not working, or giving erroneous output
please let us know, either post to the list or pop a ticket via email to
helpdesk at allstarlink.org.  Our NMS is good, but it's not perfect.

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From vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 21:04:22 2019
From: vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com (Ed Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:04:22 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] iaxRPT on Win10 and a massive headache
Message-ID: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>

I am quite befuddled at this point.

Have had iaxRPT running on my nodes for quite sometime and I have a 
couple Win10 laptops that work just fine with it. Never a problem.

Buddy is getting ready to go on some extended travels and wanted to use 
iaxRPT to connect with my node and stay in touch.

Can not get it to work on his laptop. Can not get audio to his speakers. 
Shows on iaxRPT VU but can not get it to speakers.

Yes, audio per app is turned up in settings.

Second issue, will not key up anything on network. PTT goes red but 
nothing else happens. Looking at Asterisk CLI on my node see no activity 
at all when he tries to transmit. He is another city so we have been 
doing this via phone and Teamviewer.

All of his settings match the ones that I'm using on my Win10 machine as 
far as I can see.

Have tried running as administrator, compatibility mode and turning 
firewall off for giggles.

Probably something really stupid, but I'm overlooking it.

Hope one of our resident gurus may have an idea.

Going to go take a couple Tylenol's now.

Ed W8VT



From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 22:45:07 2019
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:45:07 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] iaxRPT on Win10 and a massive headache
In-Reply-To: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>
References: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F49C41DB-5F76-4CCC-9916-0643E8968014@gmail.com>

Have you tried Zoiper?

Thanks,
Bob
K6ECM
73


> On Jul 21, 2019, at 2:04 PM, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am quite befuddled at this point.
> 
> Have had iaxRPT running on my nodes for quite sometime and I have a couple Win10 laptops that work just fine with it. Never a problem.
> 
> Buddy is getting ready to go on some extended travels and wanted to use iaxRPT to connect with my node and stay in touch.
> 
> Can not get it to work on his laptop. Can not get audio to his speakers. Shows on iaxRPT VU but can not get it to speakers.
> 
> Yes, audio per app is turned up in settings.
> 
> Second issue, will not key up anything on network. PTT goes red but nothing else happens. Looking at Asterisk CLI on my node see no activity at all when he tries to transmit. He is another city so we have been doing this via phone and Teamviewer.
> 
> All of his settings match the ones that I'm using on my Win10 machine as far as I can see.
> 
> Have tried running as administrator, compatibility mode and turning firewall off for giggles.
> 
> Probably something really stupid, but I'm overlooking it.
> 
> Hope one of our resident gurus may have an idea.
> 
> Going to go take a couple Tylenol's now.
> 
> Ed W8VT
> 
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From martin.boroff at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 23:10:58 2019
From: martin.boroff at gmail.com (Martin Boroff)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:10:58 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] iaxRPT on Win10 and a massive headache
In-Reply-To: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>
References: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D321E77B-1720-4BF1-B380-5D930419842D@gmail.com>

Are you sure IAXRPT client is pointing to the mic and speakers? Are mic and speakers default sound devices?

73, Marty WD9GYM 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am quite befuddled at this point.
> 
> Have had iaxRPT running on my nodes for quite sometime and I have a couple Win10 laptops that work just fine with it. Never a problem.
> 
> Buddy is getting ready to go on some extended travels and wanted to use iaxRPT to connect with my node and stay in touch.
> 
> Can not get it to work on his laptop. Can not get audio to his speakers. Shows on iaxRPT VU but can not get it to speakers.
> 
> Yes, audio per app is turned up in settings.
> 
> Second issue, will not key up anything on network. PTT goes red but nothing else happens. Looking at Asterisk CLI on my node see no activity at all when he tries to transmit. He is another city so we have been doing this via phone and Teamviewer.
> 
> All of his settings match the ones that I'm using on my Win10 machine as far as I can see.
> 
> Have tried running as administrator, compatibility mode and turning firewall off for giggles.
> 
> Probably something really stupid, but I'm overlooking it.
> 
> Hope one of our resident gurus may have an idea.
> 
> Going to go take a couple Tylenol's now.
> 
> Ed W8VT
> 
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From vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 23:30:18 2019
From: vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com (Ed Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:30:18 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] iaxRPT on Win10 and a massive headache
In-Reply-To: <D321E77B-1720-4BF1-B380-5D930419842D@gmail.com>
References: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>
 <D321E77B-1720-4BF1-B380-5D930419842D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e6792ea9-5151-67d9-bca2-9a2be2cf3c6a@gmail.com>

It is. The level is also turned up in the 'app volume and sound device 
preferences". Pointing at same device as the browser which will play 
youtube audio through speakers nicely.

The other problem with it not keying things up or showing any activity 
on Asterisk CLI with PTT is vaguely familiar. Had something like that 
long time ago and just can't remember the details.

Comparing his settings with mine, can't find any differences. Got to be 
something really stupid I'm just not seeing.

BTW, have played with Zoiper in the past, not too impressed.

Ed W8VT

On 7/21/19 7:10 PM, Martin Boroff wrote:
> Are you sure IAXRPT client is pointing to the mic and speakers? Are mic and speakers default sound devices?
>
> 73, Marty WD9GYM
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am quite befuddled at this point.
>>
>> Have had iaxRPT running on my nodes for quite sometime and I have a couple Win10 laptops that work just fine with it. Never a problem.
>>
>> Buddy is getting ready to go on some extended travels and wanted to use iaxRPT to connect with my node and stay in touch.
>>
>> Can not get it to work on his laptop. Can not get audio to his speakers. Shows on iaxRPT VU but can not get it to speakers.
>>
>> Yes, audio per app is turned up in settings.
>>
>> Second issue, will not key up anything on network. PTT goes red but nothing else happens. Looking at Asterisk CLI on my node see no activity at all when he tries to transmit. He is another city so we have been doing this via phone and Teamviewer.
>>
>> All of his settings match the ones that I'm using on my Win10 machine as far as I can see.
>>
>> Have tried running as administrator, compatibility mode and turning firewall off for giggles.
>>
>> Probably something really stupid, but I'm overlooking it.
>>
>> Hope one of our resident gurus may have an idea.
>>
>> Going to go take a couple Tylenol's now.
>>
>> Ed W8VT
>>
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From tgundo2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 21 23:37:53 2019
From: tgundo2003 at yahoo.com (TGundo 2003)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:37:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [App_rpt-users] iaxRPT on Win10 and a massive headache
In-Reply-To: <e6792ea9-5151-67d9-bca2-9a2be2cf3c6a@gmail.com>
References: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>
 <D321E77B-1720-4BF1-B380-5D930419842D@gmail.com>
 <e6792ea9-5151-67d9-bca2-9a2be2cf3c6a@gmail.com>
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 Funny- I was just about to make the same post...
Just put in a new Win10 Machine in the office. I have IAX running fine on 2 other laptops and my desktop at work. I cannot get this machine to work. Same problem, I can see the VU moving, no audio, but I can get audio from the program itself (like hitting the connect button when it's already connected gives you a 'bonk' noise).?
I have matched settings from the laptop sitting right next to it, played with the audio devices, etc, no joy. Also does not key up the node. Connected to the exact same network switch, same router, etc.
TomW9SRV
    On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 06:30:35 PM CDT, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 It is. The level is also turned up in the 'app volume and sound device 
preferences". Pointing at same device as the browser which will play 
youtube audio through speakers nicely.

The other problem with it not keying things up or showing any activity 
on Asterisk CLI with PTT is vaguely familiar. Had something like that 
long time ago and just can't remember the details.

Comparing his settings with mine, can't find any differences. Got to be 
something really stupid I'm just not seeing.

BTW, have played with Zoiper in the past, not too impressed.

Ed W8VT

On 7/21/19 7:10 PM, Martin Boroff wrote:
> Are you sure IAXRPT client is pointing to the mic and speakers? Are mic and speakers default sound devices?
>
> 73, Marty WD9GYM
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am quite befuddled at this point.
>>
>> Have had iaxRPT running on my nodes for quite sometime and I have a couple Win10 laptops that work just fine with it. Never a problem.
>>
>> Buddy is getting ready to go on some extended travels and wanted to use iaxRPT to connect with my node and stay in touch.
>>
>> Can not get it to work on his laptop. Can not get audio to his speakers. Shows on iaxRPT VU but can not get it to speakers.
>>
>> Yes, audio per app is turned up in settings.
>>
>> Second issue, will not key up anything on network. PTT goes red but nothing else happens. Looking at Asterisk CLI on my node see no activity at all when he tries to transmit. He is another city so we have been doing this via phone and Teamviewer.
>>
>> All of his settings match the ones that I'm using on my Win10 machine as far as I can see.
>>
>> Have tried running as administrator, compatibility mode and turning firewall off for giggles.
>>
>> Probably something really stupid, but I'm overlooking it.
>>
>> Hope one of our resident gurus may have an idea.
>>
>> Going to go take a couple Tylenol's now.
>>
>> Ed W8VT
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From luvencl8 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 10:22:47 2019
From: luvencl8 at gmail.com (Lu V)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:22:47 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] iaxRPT on Win10 and a massive headache
In-Reply-To: <D321E77B-1720-4BF1-B380-5D930419842D@gmail.com>
References: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>
 <D321E77B-1720-4BF1-B380-5D930419842D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C15CB198-709E-4938-A4D6-1AEDD54383D5@gmail.com>

I have seen this recently as well. If you don?t have the proper devices selected, push to talk will not engage even though it shows it is. Go through and make sure you have the right device selected. Another thing to consider is that your devices may be disabled via  device manager. I had to enable the Microsoft sound mapper on a windows surface for a friend just the other day. 

Sent from my iPhone, Lu Vencl

> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Martin Boroff <martin.boroff at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Are you sure IAXRPT client is pointing to the mic and speakers? Are mic and speakers default sound devices?
> 
> 73, Marty WD9GYM 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am quite befuddled at this point.
>> 
>> Have had iaxRPT running on my nodes for quite sometime and I have a couple Win10 laptops that work just fine with it. Never a problem.
>> 
>> Buddy is getting ready to go on some extended travels and wanted to use iaxRPT to connect with my node and stay in touch.
>> 
>> Can not get it to work on his laptop. Can not get audio to his speakers. Shows on iaxRPT VU but can not get it to speakers.
>> 
>> Yes, audio per app is turned up in settings.
>> 
>> Second issue, will not key up anything on network. PTT goes red but nothing else happens. Looking at Asterisk CLI on my node see no activity at all when he tries to transmit. He is another city so we have been doing this via phone and Teamviewer.
>> 
>> All of his settings match the ones that I'm using on my Win10 machine as far as I can see.
>> 
>> Have tried running as administrator, compatibility mode and turning firewall off for giggles.
>> 
>> Probably something really stupid, but I'm overlooking it.
>> 
>> Hope one of our resident gurus may have an idea.
>> 
>> Going to go take a couple Tylenol's now.
>> 
>> Ed W8VT
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>> 
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From luvencl8 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 11:28:17 2019
From: luvencl8 at gmail.com (Lu V)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:28:17 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] iaxRPT on Win10 and a massive headache
In-Reply-To: <e6792ea9-5151-67d9-bca2-9a2be2cf3c6a@gmail.com>
References: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>
 <D321E77B-1720-4BF1-B380-5D930419842D@gmail.com>
 <e6792ea9-5151-67d9-bca2-9a2be2cf3c6a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201CC028-5257-4C64-B8D1-ED55CAE831AD@gmail.com>

Zoiper has no PTT. Vox or dtmf operation would be required. 
But as I mentioned in another reply, I had seen this just the other day. Make sure the driver is actually enabled, and be sure you are sleeting the right device. It might seem correct but it may not be the correct one. Also try using the windows 10 sound troubleshooter which will go through and check some things for you. After all of that I got it working.
I think I ended up using soundmapper and USB mic. 

Sent from my iPhone, Lu Vencl
KA4EPS

> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It is. The level is also turned up in the 'app volume and sound device preferences". Pointing at same device as the browser which will play youtube audio through speakers nicely.
> 
> The other problem with it not keying things up or showing any activity on Asterisk CLI with PTT is vaguely familiar. Had something like that long time ago and just can't remember the details.
> 
> Comparing his settings with mine, can't find any differences. Got to be something really stupid I'm just not seeing.
> 
> BTW, have played with Zoiper in the past, not too impressed.
> 
> Ed W8VT
> 
>> On 7/21/19 7:10 PM, Martin Boroff wrote:
>> Are you sure IAXRPT client is pointing to the mic and speakers? Are mic and speakers default sound devices?
>> 
>> 73, Marty WD9GYM
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am quite befuddled at this point.
>>> 
>>> Have had iaxRPT running on my nodes for quite sometime and I have a couple Win10 laptops that work just fine with it. Never a problem.
>>> 
>>> Buddy is getting ready to go on some extended travels and wanted to use iaxRPT to connect with my node and stay in touch.
>>> 
>>> Can not get it to work on his laptop. Can not get audio to his speakers. Shows on iaxRPT VU but can not get it to speakers.
>>> 
>>> Yes, audio per app is turned up in settings.
>>> 
>>> Second issue, will not key up anything on network. PTT goes red but nothing else happens. Looking at Asterisk CLI on my node see no activity at all when he tries to transmit. He is another city so we have been doing this via phone and Teamviewer.
>>> 
>>> All of his settings match the ones that I'm using on my Win10 machine as far as I can see.
>>> 
>>> Have tried running as administrator, compatibility mode and turning firewall off for giggles.
>>> 
>>> Probably something really stupid, but I'm overlooking it.
>>> 
>>> Hope one of our resident gurus may have an idea.
>>> 
>>> Going to go take a couple Tylenol's now.
>>> 
>>> Ed W8VT
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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From k6ecm1 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 12:13:09 2019
From: k6ecm1 at gmail.com (Bob Pyke)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 05:13:09 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] iaxRPT on Win10 and a massive headache
In-Reply-To: <201CC028-5257-4C64-B8D1-ED55CAE831AD@gmail.com>
References: <735fd94f-7404-f39f-32e4-875e5e998439@gmail.com>
 <D321E77B-1720-4BF1-B380-5D930419842D@gmail.com>
 <e6792ea9-5151-67d9-bca2-9a2be2cf3c6a@gmail.com>
 <201CC028-5257-4C64-B8D1-ED55CAE831AD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF5DCF5F-76E1-41A7-8BDC-3677E35B0558@gmail.com>

Zoiper: VOX + MIC(on/off) = PTT (effectively)

Thanks,
Bob
K6ECM

Sent from iPad


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 4:28 AM, Lu V <luvencl8 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Zoiper has no PTT. Vox or dtmf operation would be required. 
> But as I mentioned in another reply, I had seen this just the other day. Make sure the driver is actually enabled, and be sure you are sleeting the right device. It might seem correct but it may not be the correct one. Also try using the windows 10 sound troubleshooter which will go through and check some things for you. After all of that I got it working.
> I think I ended up using soundmapper and USB mic. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, Lu Vencl
> KA4EPS
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It is. The level is also turned up in the 'app volume and sound device preferences". Pointing at same device as the browser which will play youtube audio through speakers nicely.
>> 
>> The other problem with it not keying things up or showing any activity on Asterisk CLI with PTT is vaguely familiar. Had something like that long time ago and just can't remember the details.
>> 
>> Comparing his settings with mine, can't find any differences. Got to be something really stupid I'm just not seeing.
>> 
>> BTW, have played with Zoiper in the past, not too impressed.
>> 
>> Ed W8VT
>> 
>>> On 7/21/19 7:10 PM, Martin Boroff wrote:
>>> Are you sure IAXRPT client is pointing to the mic and speakers? Are mic and speakers default sound devices?
>>> 
>>> 73, Marty WD9GYM
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Ed Wilhelm <vacuumtubesforever at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am quite befuddled at this point.
>>>> 
>>>> Have had iaxRPT running on my nodes for quite sometime and I have a couple Win10 laptops that work just fine with it. Never a problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Buddy is getting ready to go on some extended travels and wanted to use iaxRPT to connect with my node and stay in touch.
>>>> 
>>>> Can not get it to work on his laptop. Can not get audio to his speakers. Shows on iaxRPT VU but can not get it to speakers.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, audio per app is turned up in settings.
>>>> 
>>>> Second issue, will not key up anything on network. PTT goes red but nothing else happens. Looking at Asterisk CLI on my node see no activity at all when he tries to transmit. He is another city so we have been doing this via phone and Teamviewer.
>>>> 
>>>> All of his settings match the ones that I'm using on my Win10 machine as far as I can see.
>>>> 
>>>> Have tried running as administrator, compatibility mode and turning firewall off for giggles.
>>>> 
>>>> Probably something really stupid, but I'm overlooking it.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope one of our resident gurus may have an idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Going to go take a couple Tylenol's now.
>>>> 
>>>> Ed W8VT
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From ted.holdahl at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 12:14:27 2019
From: ted.holdahl at gmail.com (Ted Holdahl)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:14:27 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar/DVswitch error message
Message-ID: <CAKcwtZXYCw5wS5tYELu5Ef9rHhQ_oOU18N6YE7Veq3eTqoFN3A@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone tell me why I am seeing this empty registration message:

Connected to Asterisk GIT Version adaec47 currently running on repeater
(pid = 555)

Verbosity is at least 3

[Jul 24 16:20:55] NOTICE[617]: chan_iax2.c:6809 register_verify: Empty
registration from 24.124.97.212

repeater*CLI>


This message repeats every 30 seconds.  24.124.97.212 is my IP
address.   Everything
seems to be working fairly well.  It is running on a Raspberry Pi 3B+. Hams
connect to it with Zoiper, Echolink, and Dvswitch Mobile and use it to make
a connection  to the QRM DMR network.


Ted, KC3OL
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From Bryan at bryanfields.net  Thu Jul 25 12:47:13 2019
From: Bryan at bryanfields.net (Bryan Fields)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:47:13 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar/DVswitch error message
In-Reply-To: <CAKcwtZXYCw5wS5tYELu5Ef9rHhQ_oOU18N6YE7Veq3eTqoFN3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKcwtZXYCw5wS5tYELu5Ef9rHhQ_oOU18N6YE7Veq3eTqoFN3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dc5f34d6-6c62-a29c-ed31-f0214e1080c3@bryanfields.net>

On 7/25/19 8:14 AM, Ted Holdahl wrote:

> [Jul 24 16:20:55] NOTICE[617]: chan_iax2.c:6809 register_verify: Empty
> registration from 24.124.97.212
> 
> repeater*CLI>
> 
> 
> This message repeats every 30 seconds.  24.124.97.212 is my IP
> address.  

What's your node number?  are you behind NAT/PAT?  If so do you have any other
nodes/phones behind this same NAT box trying to connect to it?


-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


From shawpbx at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 14:21:44 2019
From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:21:44 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Connection Failed
In-Reply-To: <9891f9e5-c234-7a5d-8f14-ff2f5731bdc5@bryanfields.net>
References: <CAC23xXC__OY24t8GbMC0zs0+5_GL1Zb+XjTn5nGdCwtjvwg8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
 <9891f9e5-c234-7a5d-8f14-ff2f5731bdc5@bryanfields.net>
Message-ID: <CAH4RvbKEjMrv7LueTaS=KnqDthca1x4sgRB3qroFeZpPavohzw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Darrell, Did you resolve your issue?


--
Thanks, David

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed one."
Thomas Jefferson


On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:43 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:

> On 7/15/19 10:32 PM, Darrell Black wrote:
> > I have a node behind my NAT router (50026):
> > 192.168.1.250
> > port 4569 allstar
> > port 5198-5200 echolink
> > port 5201 supermon
> > The above all works!!! The echolink and allstar can accept connections
> from
> > outside
>
> https://wiki.allstarlink.org/wiki/Two_Servers_Behind_NAT_Router
>
> You have to configure each node for the other's node number in the [nodes]
> stanza.
>
> This is due to the IP for your nodes in extnodes being the public IP.  This
> means node 49267 will try to connect to the public IP for 50026.  You need
> to
> set this up so it knows the direct private IP connection.
>
> Technically some routers can be configured to permit this, but most don't.
>
> 73's
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
> _______________________________________________
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From gigahacker at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 14:52:21 2019
From: gigahacker at gmail.com (Darrell Black)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:52:21 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Connection Failed
In-Reply-To: <CAH4RvbKEjMrv7LueTaS=KnqDthca1x4sgRB3qroFeZpPavohzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC23xXC__OY24t8GbMC0zs0+5_GL1Zb+XjTn5nGdCwtjvwg8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
 <9891f9e5-c234-7a5d-8f14-ff2f5731bdc5@bryanfields.net>
 <CAH4RvbKEjMrv7LueTaS=KnqDthca1x4sgRB3qroFeZpPavohzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EB308C3-294C-4DBB-9DB3-2FEAA8678065@gmail.com>

Yes, thank you


Darrell - 73 de W8DSB

"In God we trust, all others we monitor"




> On Jul 26, 2019, at 10:21, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Darrell, Did you resolve your issue? 
> 
> 
> --
> Thanks, David
> 
> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one."
> Thomas Jefferson
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:43 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
>> On 7/15/19 10:32 PM, Darrell Black wrote:
>> > I have a node behind my NAT router (50026):
>> > 192.168.1.250
>> > port 4569 allstar
>> > port 5198-5200 echolink
>> > port 5201 supermon
>> > The above all works!!! The echolink and allstar can accept connections from
>> > outside
>> 
>> https://wiki.allstarlink.org/wiki/Two_Servers_Behind_NAT_Router
>> 
>> You have to configure each node for the other's node number in the [nodes] stanza.
>> 
>> This is due to the IP for your nodes in extnodes being the public IP.  This
>> means node 49267 will try to connect to the public IP for 50026.  You need to
>> set this up so it knows the direct private IP connection.
>> 
>> Technically some routers can be configured to permit this, but most don't.
>> 
>> 73's
>> -- 
>> Bryan Fields
>> 
>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> http://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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From gigahacker at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 16:37:50 2019
From: gigahacker at gmail.com (Darrell Black)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:37:50 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Connection Failed
In-Reply-To: <3EB308C3-294C-4DBB-9DB3-2FEAA8678065@gmail.com>
References: <CAC23xXC__OY24t8GbMC0zs0+5_GL1Zb+XjTn5nGdCwtjvwg8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
 <9891f9e5-c234-7a5d-8f14-ff2f5731bdc5@bryanfields.net>
 <CAH4RvbKEjMrv7LueTaS=KnqDthca1x4sgRB3qroFeZpPavohzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <3EB308C3-294C-4DBB-9DB3-2FEAA8678065@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC23xXCU0BwA4GGEwhoTfLom2fBsuvpxZ15v2mWh4JhF-TX4Eg@mail.gmail.com>

This was the missing information that I needed.In the RPT.CONF file you
must define the internal address for each node:

50165 = radio at 192.168.1.187:4570/50165,NONE
50165 = radio at 68.40.x.x:4570/50165,NONE
50165 = radio at 127.0.0.1:4570/50165,NONE
49267 = radio at 192.168.1.249:4568/49267,NONE ; comment out when on the road
50026 = radio at 192.168.1.250:4569/50026,NONE

If you don't do this they can't find each other behind the firewall. One
warning, my one node is in a ammo box so it goes in the car with me...when
I do that I need to comment out that line in the homes nodes or it won;t
look for the portable node's public address.


On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:52 AM Darrell Black <gigahacker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, thank you
>
>
> Darrell - 73 de W8DSB
>
> "In God we trust, all others we monitor"
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2019, at 10:21, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Darrell, Did you resolve your issue?
>
>
> --
> Thanks, David
>
> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
> inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
> the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
> than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
> confidence than an armed one."
> Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:43 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/15/19 10:32 PM, Darrell Black wrote:
>> > I have a node behind my NAT router (50026):
>> > 192.168.1.250
>> > port 4569 allstar
>> > port 5198-5200 echolink
>> > port 5201 supermon
>> > The above all works!!! The echolink and allstar can accept connections
>> from
>> > outside
>>
>> https://wiki.allstarlink.org/wiki/Two_Servers_Behind_NAT_Router
>>
>> You have to configure each node for the other's node number in the
>> [nodes] stanza.
>>
>> This is due to the IP for your nodes in extnodes being the public IP.
>> This
>> means node 49267 will try to connect to the public IP for 50026.  You
>> need to
>> set this up so it knows the direct private IP connection.
>>
>> Technically some routers can be configured to permit this, but most don't.
>>
>> 73's
>> --
>> Bryan Fields
>>
>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> http://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and
>> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press
>> the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email
>> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to
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>>
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>

-- 

Darrell Black

(517) 917-2226
GigaHacker at gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack


73 de W8DSB
"In God we trust, all others we monitor"

GMRS WRDE739
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From shawpbx at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 00:09:10 2019
From: shawpbx at gmail.com (David Shaw)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:09:10 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Connection Failed
In-Reply-To: <CAC23xXCU0BwA4GGEwhoTfLom2fBsuvpxZ15v2mWh4JhF-TX4Eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC23xXC__OY24t8GbMC0zs0+5_GL1Zb+XjTn5nGdCwtjvwg8Lw@mail.gmail.com>
 <9891f9e5-c234-7a5d-8f14-ff2f5731bdc5@bryanfields.net>
 <CAH4RvbKEjMrv7LueTaS=KnqDthca1x4sgRB3qroFeZpPavohzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <3EB308C3-294C-4DBB-9DB3-2FEAA8678065@gmail.com>
 <CAC23xXCU0BwA4GGEwhoTfLom2fBsuvpxZ15v2mWh4JhF-TX4Eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH4RvbKJqUxoBQgoLxmXjx1cZw=1eoe5RH6_dt77LgGUc6eMEw@mail.gmail.com>

Well you have a good understanding of whats going on.

--
Thanks, David

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed one."
Thomas Jefferson


On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 9:38 AM Darrell Black <gigahacker at gmail.com> wrote:

> This was the missing information that I needed.In the RPT.CONF file you
> must define the internal address for each node:
>
> 50165 = radio at 192.168.1.187:4570/50165,NONE
> 50165 = radio at 68.40.x.x:4570/50165,NONE
> 50165 = radio at 127.0.0.1:4570/50165,NONE
> 49267 = radio at 192.168.1.249:4568/49267,NONE ; comment out when on the road
> 50026 = radio at 192.168.1.250:4569/50026,NONE
>
> If you don't do this they can't find each other behind the firewall. One
> warning, my one node is in a ammo box so it goes in the car with me...when
> I do that I need to comment out that line in the homes nodes or it won;t
> look for the portable node's public address.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:52 AM Darrell Black <gigahacker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, thank you
>>
>>
>> Darrell - 73 de W8DSB
>>
>> "In God we trust, all others we monitor"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 10:21, David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Darrell, Did you resolve your issue?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks, David
>>
>> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
>> neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>> worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>> encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>> greater confidence than an armed one."
>> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:43 PM Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/15/19 10:32 PM, Darrell Black wrote:
>>> > I have a node behind my NAT router (50026):
>>> > 192.168.1.250
>>> > port 4569 allstar
>>> > port 5198-5200 echolink
>>> > port 5201 supermon
>>> > The above all works!!! The echolink and allstar can accept connections
>>> from
>>> > outside
>>>
>>> https://wiki.allstarlink.org/wiki/Two_Servers_Behind_NAT_Router
>>>
>>> You have to configure each node for the other's node number in the
>>> [nodes] stanza.
>>>
>>> This is due to the IP for your nodes in extnodes being the public IP.
>>> This
>>> means node 49267 will try to connect to the public IP for 50026.  You
>>> need to
>>> set this up so it knows the direct private IP connection.
>>>
>>> Technically some routers can be configured to permit this, but most
>>> don't.
>>>
>>> 73's
>>> --
>>> Bryan Fields
>>>
>>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>>> http://bryanfields.net
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and
>>> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press
>>> the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
>>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email
>>> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to
>>> the list detailing the problem.
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Darrell Black
>
> (517) 917-2226
> GigaHacker at gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack
>
>
> 73 de W8DSB
> "In God we trust, all others we monitor"
>
> GMRS WRDE739
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From lengriff at optimum.net  Sat Jul 27 14:27:05 2019
From: lengriff at optimum.net (Len Griffin)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:27:05 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ASL SETUP
Message-ID: <001301d54487$5e5acb60$1b106220$@optimum.net>

I am trying to help a friend with a first-time Allstar setup by creating a
step-by-step guide. I'm following the ' Beginners Guide ' from the Wiki.

All went well until the radio-tune-menu. Step 1 OK. Step 2 OK, plenty of
noise level and squelch set. Step 3 - set rx voice level - there is no level
at all, no matter what number I use.

Secondary issue..I cannot connect with SSH ( WinSCP ).

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From petem001 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 02:12:28 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 22:12:28 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] ASL SETUP
In-Reply-To: <001301d54487$5e5acb60$1b106220$@optimum.net>
References: <001301d54487$5e5acb60$1b106220$@optimum.net>
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwqZWWS9yrBoOXjXWTqfLz0NbJxnsh4bKT_yK0+J1mz9qg@mail.gmail.com>

are you trying to connect to the server in ssh with root login?? did you
enabled root login in sshd config?

About the audio out, what output did he used? LEFT? RIGHT? usb fob or uri-x
or rim ?  you can check in usbradio.conf to see wich one as voice or
composite. this could help..





Le sam. 27 juil. 2019 ? 10:27, Len Griffin <lengriff at optimum.net> a ?crit :

> I am trying to help a friend with a first-time Allstar setup by creating a
> step-by-step guide. I?m following the ? Beginners Guide ? from the Wiki.
>
> All went well until the radio-tune-menu. Step 1 OK. Step 2 OK, plenty of
> noise level and squelch set. Step 3 ? set rx voice level ? there is no
> level at all, no matter what number I use.
>
> Secondary issue..I cannot connect with SSH ( WinSCP ).
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From tisawyer at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 19:30:35 2019
From: tisawyer at gmail.com (Tim Sawyer)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 12:30:35 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Important Copyright Notification
Message-ID: <CAG3ht9s7BXLBsTF15kDDOk6zVa7XNjUkeVWBBV3H=Y1pzXV3PA@mail.gmail.com>

Please see this post on the AllStarLink Community Forum.

https://community.allstarlink.org/t/important-copyright-notification/15232

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From buddy at brannan.name  Sun Jul 28 19:41:03 2019
From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:41:03 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Important Copyright Notification
In-Reply-To: <CAG3ht9s7BXLBsTF15kDDOk6zVa7XNjUkeVWBBV3H=Y1pzXV3PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG3ht9s7BXLBsTF15kDDOk6zVa7XNjUkeVWBBV3H=Y1pzXV3PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83B4C1C7-88D2-417B-900D-AC5A6BB247CD@brannan.name>

At the risk of opening a can of worms (who?s ever put worms in a can anyway?), what impact will this have on the recent discussion of forked and unreleased code, if any? 


Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy at brannan.name
Mobile: (814) 431-0962



> On Jul 28, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Please see this post on the AllStarLink Community Forum.
> 
> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/important-copyright-notification/15232
> 
> -- 
> Tim WD6AWP
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From kuggie at kuggie.com  Sun Jul 28 21:55:27 2019
From: kuggie at kuggie.com (Kevin Custer)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:55:27 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Important Copyright Notification
In-Reply-To: <83B4C1C7-88D2-417B-900D-AC5A6BB247CD@brannan.name>
References: <CAG3ht9s7BXLBsTF15kDDOk6zVa7XNjUkeVWBBV3H=Y1pzXV3PA@mail.gmail.com>
 <83B4C1C7-88D2-417B-900D-AC5A6BB247CD@brannan.name>
Message-ID: <1ec94d70-e197-9f2e-cf78-3ba71933baea@kuggie.com>

Howdy Buddy,

AllStarLink, Inc., is now in a position to defend the Open Source 
position of the project.? It is our hope that anyone who has (or will) 
fork the code base will comply with the obligations of Open Source, as 
they did prior to Jim Dixon's death, and release their source code.

Kevin Custer W3KKC
Board Member
AllStarLink, Inc.



On 7/28/2019 3:41 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> At the risk of opening a can of worms (who?s ever put worms in a can anyway?), what impact will this have on the recent discussion of forked and unreleased code, if any?
>
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>> On Jul 28, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Please see this post on the AllStarLink Community Forum.
>>
>> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/important-copyright-notification/15232
>>
>> -- 
>> Tim WD6AWP



From lengriff at optimum.net  Mon Jul 29 13:26:31 2019
From: lengriff at optimum.net (Len Griffin)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 09:26:31 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] STATIC IP / ASL MENU
Message-ID: <000a01d54611$3c0d7180$b4285480$@optimum.net>

I am trying to setup a system by just following the Beginners Guide and
using ASL_MEMU. I want to have a static IP, and followed the instructions in
the menu entering the data and then saving it. The system remains in DHCP
mode every time. When I look at the /etc/network/interfaces file, there are
no entries made. When I look for information on setting a linux static IP,
it shows entering data in  this file. Has anyone had success following the
ASL-MENU?

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From gigahacker at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 14:15:59 2019
From: gigahacker at gmail.com (Darrell Black)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:15:59 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] STATIC IP / ASL MENU
In-Reply-To: <000a01d54611$3c0d7180$b4285480$@optimum.net>
References: <000a01d54611$3c0d7180$b4285480$@optimum.net>
Message-ID: <CAC23xXAkQ+uzvkvk27OW1TwrNLs14C64q_1yfmFq89pVwuBQxw@mail.gmail.com>

I have three nodes and they are all static. I used the on screen menus and
had no issues. My nodes are all Ethernet not wifi.

Make sure if you select a static address that you select a compatible
gateway

IE 192.168.1.250 then your gateway might be 192.168.1.1 and it has worked
for me.....

Are you using WIFI or Ethernet yourself? Have you tried to reboot after to
see if it takes effect after? What does the onscreen IPaddress show after
the reboot.?

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 AM Len Griffin <lengriff at optimum.net> wrote:

> I am trying to setup a system by just following the Beginners Guide and
> using ASL_MEMU. I want to have a static IP, and followed the instructions
> in the menu entering the data and then saving it. The system remains in
> DHCP mode every time. When I look at the /etc/network/interfaces file,
> there are no entries made. When I look for information on setting a linux
> static IP, it shows entering data in  this file. Has anyone had success
> following the ASL-MENU?
> _______________________________________________
> App_rpt-users mailing list
> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>
> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and
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> the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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> the list detailing the problem.
>


-- 

Darrell Black

(517) 917-2226
GigaHacker at gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack


73 de W8DSB
"In God we trust, all others we monitor"

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From cnovey at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 18:22:42 2019
From: cnovey at gmail.com (Clifford Novey)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:22:42 -0700
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Important Copyright Notification
In-Reply-To: <CAG3ht9s7BXLBsTF15kDDOk6zVa7XNjUkeVWBBV3H=Y1pzXV3PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG3ht9s7BXLBsTF15kDDOk6zVa7XNjUkeVWBBV3H=Y1pzXV3PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJB0vg8N46vWPXw1D+SZ5fexxG3coz7-xiND9Bc8rJnRw8PvfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome!
Clifford - KK6QMS

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:30 PM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please see this post on the AllStarLink Community Forum.
>
> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/important-copyright-notification/15232
>
> --
> Tim WD6AWP
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 18:55:37 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:55:37 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Important Copyright Notification
In-Reply-To: <CAJB0vg8N46vWPXw1D+SZ5fexxG3coz7-xiND9Bc8rJnRw8PvfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG3ht9s7BXLBsTF15kDDOk6zVa7XNjUkeVWBBV3H=Y1pzXV3PA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJB0vg8N46vWPXw1D+SZ5fexxG3coz7-xiND9Bc8rJnRw8PvfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwrLgtCesaQTsYgpPRoRhRB0HKhridTH0mPKDcSauDFegQ@mail.gmail.com>

Best news since the passing of Jim.


Le lun. 29 juil. 2019 ? 14:23, Clifford Novey <cnovey at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Awesome!
> Clifford - KK6QMS
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:30 PM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please see this post on the AllStarLink Community Forum.
>>
>> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/important-copyright-notification/15232
>>
>> --
>> Tim WD6AWP
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
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From nhardman1428 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 00:19:29 2019
From: nhardman1428 at gmail.com (Nate Hardman)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:19:29 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] STATIC IP / ASL MENU
In-Reply-To: <CAC23xXAkQ+uzvkvk27OW1TwrNLs14C64q_1yfmFq89pVwuBQxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000a01d54611$3c0d7180$b4285480$@optimum.net>
 <CAC23xXAkQ+uzvkvk27OW1TwrNLs14C64q_1yfmFq89pVwuBQxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC9hojXFnnbT_DewZGv1KM=H694SEcbADQ6v3VSXsDxj0LWjNw@mail.gmail.com>

In the newer releases of Debian based systems, The networking is controlled
by DHCPCD and NOT the /etc/network/interfaces file.  The net-setup scripts
called by ASL-MENU will check if DHCPCD is installed and add the static
configuration in the /etc/dhcpcd.conf  If there is an error using the
static configuration, DHCPCD will fall back to DHCP and attempt to obtain
an IP address from a DHCP server.
Check your /etc/dhcpcd.conf file for proper settings. (will be located at
end of the file)

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:16 AM Darrell Black <gigahacker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have three nodes and they are all static. I used the on screen menus and
> had no issues. My nodes are all Ethernet not wifi.
>
> Make sure if you select a static address that you select a compatible
> gateway
>
> IE 192.168.1.250 then your gateway might be 192.168.1.1 and it has worked
> for me.....
>
> Are you using WIFI or Ethernet yourself? Have you tried to reboot after to
> see if it takes effect after? What does the onscreen IPaddress show after
> the reboot.?
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 AM Len Griffin <lengriff at optimum.net> wrote:
>
>> I am trying to setup a system by just following the Beginners Guide and
>> using ASL_MEMU. I want to have a static IP, and followed the instructions
>> in the menu entering the data and then saving it. The system remains in
>> DHCP mode every time. When I look at the /etc/network/interfaces file,
>> there are no entries made. When I look for information on setting a linux
>> static IP, it shows entering data in  this file. Has anyone had success
>> following the ASL-MENU?
>> _______________________________________________
>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit
>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and
>> scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press
>> the "Unsubscribe or edit options button"
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>> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to
>> the list detailing the problem.
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Darrell Black
>
> (517) 917-2226
> GigaHacker at gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/darrellblack
>
>
> 73 de W8DSB
> "In God we trust, all others we monitor"
>
> GMRS WRDE739
> _______________________________________________
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From petem001 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 00:43:26 2019
From: petem001 at gmail.com (Pierre Martel)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:43:26 -0400
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Important Copyright Notification
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwrLgtCesaQTsYgpPRoRhRB0HKhridTH0mPKDcSauDFegQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG3ht9s7BXLBsTF15kDDOk6zVa7XNjUkeVWBBV3H=Y1pzXV3PA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJB0vg8N46vWPXw1D+SZ5fexxG3coz7-xiND9Bc8rJnRw8PvfQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL8dJwrLgtCesaQTsYgpPRoRhRB0HKhridTH0mPKDcSauDFegQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL8dJwreLAM77u7ji17PDv8mgVj-HEPpuVmSfQdP4LM9zOeXJA@mail.gmail.com>

btw I dont mean that Jim passing away was a good news.. but since his
death, that news is a good one..

English language is not my best "expertise"

Le lun. 29 juil. 2019 ? 14:55, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Best news since the passing of Jim.
>
>
> Le lun. 29 juil. 2019 ? 14:23, Clifford Novey <cnovey at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> Awesome!
>> Clifford - KK6QMS
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:30 PM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please see this post on the AllStarLink Community Forum.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/important-copyright-notification/15232
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim WD6AWP
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>
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From brett.friermood at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 00:53:44 2019
From: brett.friermood at gmail.com (Brett Friermood)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 19:53:44 -0500
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Important Copyright Notification
In-Reply-To: <CAL8dJwreLAM77u7ji17PDv8mgVj-HEPpuVmSfQdP4LM9zOeXJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG3ht9s7BXLBsTF15kDDOk6zVa7XNjUkeVWBBV3H=Y1pzXV3PA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJB0vg8N46vWPXw1D+SZ5fexxG3coz7-xiND9Bc8rJnRw8PvfQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL8dJwrLgtCesaQTsYgpPRoRhRB0HKhridTH0mPKDcSauDFegQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL8dJwreLAM77u7ji17PDv8mgVj-HEPpuVmSfQdP4LM9zOeXJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADS0AtQkTosM5+fFx=B3sx3jJozNm_obuPi0cT8ZX+30WTSR0A@mail.gmail.com>

No worries, Pierre. We all knew what you meant rather than what it read as.

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 7:44 PM Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> wrote:

> btw I dont mean that Jim passing away was a good news.. but since his
> death, that news is a good one..
>
> English language is not my best "expertise"
>
> Le lun. 29 juil. 2019 ? 14:55, Pierre Martel <petem001 at gmail.com> a
> ?crit :
>
>> Best news since the passing of Jim.
>>
>>
>> Le lun. 29 juil. 2019 ? 14:23, Clifford Novey <cnovey at gmail.com> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>>> Awesome!
>>> Clifford - KK6QMS
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:30 PM Tim Sawyer <tisawyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please see this post on the AllStarLink Community Forum.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://community.allstarlink.org/t/important-copyright-notification/15232
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tim WD6AWP
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> App_rpt-users mailing list
>>>> App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>>> http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
>>>>
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>>>> the list detailing the problem.
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From electricity440 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 14:31:58 2019
From: electricity440 at gmail.com (Skyler F)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:31:58 -0600
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Manual control of telemetry packet
Message-ID: <CAJNyT0-ViF9E6dz0uEzgBvwQtQCdgnCECxJr6+66LB0RSqDqqw@mail.gmail.com>

The two types of telemetry I can send off right now are
Playback -- Plays to all nodes ( even ones with telemetry disabled )
Localplay -- Plays to current node only

The app_rpt telemetry in the back end seems to consist of more than these
two. For instance, if I connect to a node, telemetry is sent out, and only
nodes with telemetry enabled play this. In addition, the files are stored
on each node locally, and does not have to be sent out through the network.
This differs from both localplay and playback, which actually transmit the
file over the network.

Is there any interface or command that I can manually send out this type of
telemetry packet? For example, broadcast a packet that tells the nodes to
say "Node ABC connected to node XYZ" even though the event never happened?

Thanks,
Skyler
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