[App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Sat Jul 6 14:36:05 UTC 2019

the header of app_rpt.c on the 2011 limey distribution of allstarlink is
that:

/* #define NEW_ASTERISK */
/* #define OLD_ASTERISK */
/*
 * Asterisk -- An open source telephony toolkit.
 *
 * Copyright (C) 2002-2009, Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
 *
 * Jim Dixon, WB6NIL <jim at lambdatel.com>
 * Serious contributions by Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT <
hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
 *
 * See http://www.asterisk.org for more information about
 * the Asterisk project. Please do not directly contact
 * any of the maintainers of this project for assistance;
 * the project provides a web site, mailing lists and IRC
 * channels for your use.
 *
 * This program is free software, distributed under the terms of
 * the GNU General Public License Version 2. See the LICENSE file
 * at the top of the source tree.
 */

It is easy to find and I really dont think anyone took the time to modify
all the app_rpt.c with good time stamp on every version online of limey or
acid.

the licence is pretty clear and the Jim did released the software as gpl.

Le ven. 5 juil. 2019 à 22:56, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> a écrit :

> Did I read correctly that David believes app_rpt is public domain and not
> bound by the terms of the GPL?
>
> Here’s what I see at the top of my copy of app_rpt.c, from the 1.4pre23
> version of app_rpt that exists in an installation of ASL. I’ll happily have
> a look at an earlier version. But if there’s another version of app_rpt.c
> with no explicit licensing terms, someone please point me at it and I’ll
> happily admit to my wrongness. But…admittedly I only go back to 2009,
> although I don’t think I’ve ever seen a version that did not contain this:
>
> /*
>  * Asterisk -- An open source telephony toolkit.
>  *
>  * Copyright (C) 2002-2014, Jim Dixon, WB6NIL
>  *
>  * Jim Dixon, WB6NIL <jim at lambdatel.com>
>  * Serious contributions by Steve RoDgers, WA6ZFT <
> hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
>  *
>  * See http://www.asterisk.org for more information about
>  * the Asterisk project. Please do not directly contact
>  * any of the maintainers of this project for assistance;
>  * the project provides a web site, mailing lists and IRC
>  * channels for your use.
>  *
>  * This program is free software, distributed under the terms of
>  * the GNU General Public License Version 2. See the LICENSE file
>  * at the top of the source tree.
>  */
>
>
> Actually…I believe I have another version of app_rpt.c that mentions even
> more contributors, like W9SH for example. It also listed the GPL and
> referred to the license file in the Asterisk source tree. Actually,
> app_rpt.c was distributed with the GPL’ed Asterisk bistro for ages, even
> though it stopped working with anything after V1.4presomething. Xelatec had
> a version in their Xipar bistro that was based on 1.4.44pre-something, as I
> recall, also.
>
> I also think Jim’s views on the GPL were pretty clear from many of his
> posts on this list before his death. While he certainly encouraged the Arch
> linux effort that became hamvoip…I remember when this was going on, and
> Hamvoip ran only on the BBB…and he said “If you can do better, have at it”,
> I’m confident in my opinion that the “Contribute your changes back to the
> community” was strongly implied, if not directly stated.
>
> While I agree that my non-lawyerly opinion is that HamVOIP is in violation
> of the GPL, and while I also agree that this is not a division that’s any
> good for the ham community generally nor the ASL using community in
> particular, I don’t think Brian’s approach to addressing the problem is
> particularly helpful either. Some who are digging in their heels may be
> more willing to see the very valid points he makes if he did not give the
> arguments he poses the tone of a personal, bitter vendetta.
>
> Now…can we please try to *heal* this rift, rather than tearing it even
> wider?
>
> I’ve seen the arguments for why David has not released the source. Mostly,
> he has said that his changes are incompatible with non-HamVOIP
> distributions. OK, that’s fair, and it’s also fair to say that mixing code
> without properly taking into account any changes could be a pretty bad
> idea. But how do we know? More to the point, how do we know that someone
> else might see the changes, and further see a way to implement them in such
> a way as to make them available to everyone, in all branches of the code,
> or at least see a way to make something similar work? The idea that the
> rest of us simply can’t understand the changes and will just break more
> stuff if we try is a little insulting, and it doesn’t leave much room for
> learning. A good thing about GPL software is…lots of eyeballs can
> potentially spot flaws, make improvements, or see a better way. The
> disadvantage is that if you break it, you get to keep all the pieces. But
> that’s a small price to pay, IMO, for the benefits.
>
> Vy 73,
>
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, David McGough wrote:
> >
> >> As a matter of record, no HamVoIP code comes from any ASL source (e.g.
> >> github).  Our codebase pre-dates ASL's existence.
> >
> > ASL's existence or not is irrelevant.
> >
> > Without Asterisk, no AllStarLink version could exist.  Everybody
> including Jim Dixon relied on the GPL to be able to create derivatives of
> Asterisk.
> >
> > That means you are bound by the GPL.
> >
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