In my looking at this issue I noted that iax2 is headed for ietf standardization and is currently in draft. me thinks that a few choice commands placed in the iax2 protocol to do this in call signalling would be quite nice. (I may ask a friend of mine who works at digium about that) If IAX2 had the commands to do polarity reversal in call what would it take to have app_rpt control it?
<br><br>Eric<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 3/11/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jim Duuuude</b> <<a href="mailto:telesistant@hotmail.com">telesistant@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
No SIP ATA's even come CLOSE to supporting what we need.<br><br>What they call battery reversal is an indication that the call has answered<br>on the far end<br>which may happen ONLY once per call (if it un-answers on the far end it
<br>terminates the<br>call).<br><br>Our needs are to have a SIP call initiated and for it to say up (rather<br>permanently or so)<br>and to have the ability to send on-hook/off-hook states many times as<br>needed. No<br>one does this or even has a concept of this.
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(UTC)<br>>FILETIME=[08D200A0:01C76420]<br>><br>><br>>Eric,<br>><br>>You can research this further, but I'm not convinced SIP ATA's give a<br>>fine enough level of control for polarity reversal, or battery
<br>>interruption.<br>><br>>What would be required are special SIP commands which tell the far end<br>>Asterisk server when a phone goes off hook (for RX), and special SIP<br>>commands for applying and removing battery for the TX loop.
<br>><br>>For RX, SIP ATA's do not work like this. When a user goes off hook, a<br>>LOCAL dialtone is generated in the ATA, and only when the digits are<br>>dialed which match a route programmed into the ATA, does the ATA make
<br>>connection with the Asterisk server. For TX, SIP ATA's provide battery<br>>all of the time and cannot be set up to interrupt battery on an ad-hoc<br>>basis.<br>><br>><br>>Even if all of the above were eventually sfound to be supported, App_rpt
<br>>wuld have to undergo a significant rewrite to support SIP on the<br>>repeater port. A lot of things in app_rpt depend on the support Zaptel<br>>provides.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>Eric Fort wrote:
<br>> > Steve, Yes I read your reply below...then I googled and composed this<br>> > query. Why will it not work? how can it work?<br>> ><br>> > (Worst case a patch to asterisk may come to mind since we are running
<br>> > seperate channels for tx/rx anyway)<br>> ><br>> > All of the ata's below (the majority of the market) would appear to<br>>support<br>> > polarity reversal now how can that feature be used with an arib board
<br>>to<br>> > place a remote node at the end of an ethernet cable across the network<br>> > (where the controlling asterisk box is say on another continent)?<br>> ><br>> > cisco ata186 and ata188
<br>> ><br>><a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/gatecont/ps514/products_administration_guide_chapter09186a0080160f73.html#1021012">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/gatecont/ps514/products_administration_guide_chapter09186a0080160f73.html#1021012
</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > SIPURA SPA-3000<br>> > <a href="http://www.sipura.com/Documents/SipuraSPAUserGuidev2.0.9.pdf">http://www.sipura.com/Documents/SipuraSPAUserGuidev2.0.9.pdf</a>
<br>> > also SPA-2000, SPA-2100, SPA-1001<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ustarcom<br>> > <a href="http://www.utstar.com/Document_Library/0043.pdf">http://www.utstar.com/Document_Library/0043.pdf</a><br>
> ><br>> > HandyTone 286<br>> > <a href="http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HandyTone.pdf">http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HandyTone.pdf</a><br>> ><br>> > Grandstream Handytone ATA-496
<br>> > <a href="http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HT-496.pdf">http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HT-496.pdf</a><br>> ><br>> > Grandstream Handytone ATA-386<br>> > <a href="http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HandyTone-386UserManual.pdf">
http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HandyTone-386UserManual.pdf</a><br>> ><br>> > Grandstream Handytone ATA-488<br>> > <a href="http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HT488UserManual.pdf">http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HT488UserManual.pdf
</a><br>> ><br>> > Grandstream Handytone ATA-486<br>> > <a href="http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HandyTone-486UserManual.pdf">http://www.grandstream.com/user_manuals/HandyTone-486UserManual.pdf</a>
<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Eric<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On 2/27/07, Stephen Rodgers < <a href="mailto:hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com">hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>> >> ATA's don't support the line signalling methods required by the ARIB to<br>> >> indicate PTT and/or COR presence.<br>> >><br>> >> Steve.<br>> >><br>
> >><br>> >><br>> >> David Craig wrote:<br>> >> > Can App_rpt be used with an ATA for a simplex or half duplex remote<br>> >> base.<br>> >> > The example might be an Grandstream HandyTone 286 with the FXS port
<br>> >> > connected ARIB.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > I have a situation where I need a very small radio interface and my<br>> >> > asterisk<br>> >> > box will be remote via a high speed connection.
<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > Thanks for any help.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > David<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >><br>
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