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Well if we're REALLY going to commit this concept to ink (or paint rather)<br>I think its time to publicly make the story behind the 'FOB' known so that <br>this horrible misinformation can perhaps stop being propagated.<br><br>I named these things 'FROBS' *NOT* 'FOBS'. See http://catb.org/jargon/html/F/frob.html<br>for further explanation. Someone, I think Steve WA6ZFT either misinterpreted the name<br>or perhaps it was just a type-o, but in any case the 'FOB' thing just got to be what everyone<br>called them. If youre going to put it on a shirt, at least call it the correct name. <br>Besides, 'FROB' will generate even more questions and strange looks then 'FOB'<br>would anyway, and if you see someone giving you a smug grin (and they appear to<br>be at least 50 years old), you should probably strongly encourage them to join<br>you singing a bar or 2 of 'Alice's PDP-10' (see http://www.hactrn.net/sra/alice).<br><br>"You can hack anything you want, with TECO and DDT"....<br><br>JIM WB6NIL<br><br><br>> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:12:53 -0400<br>> From: steve@michiganbroadband.com<br>> To: buddy@brannan.name<br>> CC: app_rpt-users@qrvc.com<br>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Question<br>> <br>> Humor: http://stuff.michiganbroadband.com/fobtee.jpg<br>> If you'd like a nonproductive 20 second diversion.<br>> I just might hve one made.<br>> <br>> ;-)<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> > Yeah, kudos to the Steves, Jims, and other really helpful people. Were it<br>> > not for W9SH's help I would have been a lot longer in getting up and<br>> > running with my node. Also thanks to N4IRS and K1LNX, I got to play with<br>> > my node under Debian and change my Echolink announcements from phonetic to<br>> > not phonetic callsigns. And all manner of things. Next project: I want to<br>> > get an HF remote base running, except that my HF rig is an Elecraft<br>> > K2/100. Seems to me it should be easy enough to send commands to it, as<br>> > it's just ascii text over serial, but would need some direction as to what<br>> > to modifry (break?) to make it work. Also, anyone wanna help me with<br>> > either a CM108-based fob or URI cable to connect the K2? I'm all thumbs.<br>> > --<br>> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA<br>> > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Bob Brown - WØNQX wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> sorry to have opened this can of worms marshall, nothing personal taken<br>> >> here.<br>> >><br>> >> yes ,the DMK device, is a quality device and we have used a few of them<br>> >> with great results, so for quality and consistency by all means use the<br>> >> DMK device!<br>> >><br>> >> but some of our systems are done on a "beer buget" and have been for a<br>> >> great long time and they work quite well, last long time.<br>> >><br>> >> so we want to add the App_rpt function to these systems and want to do<br>> >> it on the low cost side. so we use the cm108 based fob.<br>> >><br>> >> we started out with these devices, learned a lot with these devices and<br>> >> still wish to use these devices, because of cost savings. ( we dont have<br>> >> a dues paying membership in our organization, we do it for the fun of<br>> >> ham radio!)<br>> >><br>> >> yes maybe we could have bought a couple of DMKs verses the many 10+<br>> >> fobs i have bought. but hey if they all were cm108 based them i would<br>> >> have many usable devices to play with. some were not cm 108 based, some<br>> >> were. so i gambled with my $$, win some loose some. no big deal.<br>> >><br>> >> if i knew a bit more on how to make the non standard fobs play with the<br>> >> app_rpt program i would be experimenting with it, but i do not have<br>> >> those skills yet.<br>> >><br>> >> would some one like to share on how they got the cm108 device to work<br>> >> i would entertain on being shown a how to if possible or a link to where<br>> >> i can study up on this.<br>> >> as i have a few knock off samples to test and play with.<br>> >> i just cannot believe they cannot be made to work the same way as<br>> >> the cm108 device.<br>> >><br>> >> yes it takes time to compile and test the devices and time i have, in<br>> >> fact several of us here in the kc metro area have time and facilities to<br>> >> test with . just tell us how it was done...and we can/will start<br>> >> playing.... to come up with a solution.<br>> >> or if jim wants we can ship him the devices we have and he can tell us<br>> >> if it is possible to change the code for these units.<br>> >><br>> >> i like the fact all i need is PTT, discrimiator and tx audio to make a<br>> >> system work . i could careless about COS/TOS from the radio. this makes<br>> >> an interface real EZ! and the software makes the controller.<br>> >><br>> >> i am not a programmer but i have learned a lot from the elmers on this<br>> >> list<br>> >> these folks in particular:<br>> >> w9sh<br>> >> n4irs<br>> >> wb6nil<br>> >> kd8b<br>> >> wa6zft<br>> >> and many others.<br>> >><br>> >> to those i give many thanks for the help & enlightenment.....<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> Thanks in Advance<br>> >><br>> >> Bob Brown, WØNQX<br>> >><br>> >> Kansas City Metro Area<br>> >><br>> >> Its not how many watts you have,<br>> >> its the SIZE of your watts that matter! -- Johnny Marshall, W0JM-SK<br>> >> --<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 09:34, Marshall Dias <w0otm@w0otm.com> wrote:<br>> >> This is MY opinion and may not be the opinion of the AllStar Team.<br>> >><br>> >> What is the obsession with these FOBs? This community has a great<br>> >> source of quality interfaces, and there is NO reason not to utilize<br>> >> them. DMK doesn't HAVE to provide the URI, but thankfully they do. For<br>> >> all you who have bought knockoff FOBs with the hopes of them being a<br>> >> CM108, how much money have you wasted? If you are too cheap to buy a<br>> >> URI, go run an EchoStink node!<br>> >><br>> >> ok, im off my soapbox, thanks<br>> >><br>> >> md<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> From: "Bob Brown - WØNQX" <bbrown@byrg.net><br>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:27 AM<br>> >> To: "Jim Duuuude" <telesistant@hotmail.com><br>> >><br>> >> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Question<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Jim<br>> >><br>> >> If you would like samples of some of the ones i have obtained,<br>> >> thinking they were cm-108 based and they were not.....:(<br>> >><br>> >> i can send you a few for testing & evauation.<br>> >><br>> >> if it would make the fobs ezer to add since there seems to be a glut of<br>> >> the "clones" out there.<br>> >> i have bought so many of these from the C.H.Ina co via the usual<br>> >> hong-knog souces.<br>> >><br>> >> i have a few so a wide and varried sample for testing is not a problem<br>> >> they are just cluttering up the desk...<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> Thanks in Advance<br>> >><br>> >> Bob Brown, WØNQX<br>> >><br>> >> Kansas City Metro Area<br>> >><br>> >> http://sm0kenet.net<br>> >><br>> >> http://byrg.net<br>> >><br>> >> http://kcm-108dstar.byrg.net<br>> >><br>> >> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?<br>> >><br>> >> Its not how many watts you have,<br>> >> its the SIZE of your watts that matter! -- Johnny Marshall, W0JM-SK<br>> >> --<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 09:35, Jim Duuuude <telesistant@hotmail.com><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >> The CM-108 and its fully compatible cousins (all from C-Media) are still<br>> >> very much<br>> >> in production and available as far as the actual IC goes. As far as<br>> >> pre-made USB soundcards<br>> >> that use these IC's go, yes it is seemingly more difficult to find such<br>> >> things. The CM-108<br>> >> was selected, because, at the time, it was by far the most common IC<br>> >> found in such devices<br>> >> and was of EXTREMELY high quality, reliability, and consistency (not to<br>> >> mention VERY good<br>> >> value!).<br>> >><br>> >> Nowadays, is there once again, a generalized consensus focused upon some<br>> >> new, different,<br>> >> IC, or are all the available (and inexpensive) USB sound cards pretty<br>> >> much just random??<br>> >> I haven't, nor have I had time to even look lately. If there is, perhaps<br>> >> it would be worthwhile<br>> >> to see if whatever this device is meets the requirements for this<br>> >> application.<br>> >><br>> >> If there is something worth checking out, I am not adverse to doing so.<br>> >><br>> >> JIM WB6NIL<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:35:01 -0400<br>> >><br>> >> > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Question<br>> >> > From: steve@michiganbroadband.com<br>> >> > To: telesistant@hotmail.com<br>> >> > CC: n3fe@repeater.net; app_rpt-users@qrvc.com<br>> >><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > Noted! & I know you are speaking from experience and trying to warn<br>> >> > others as they will end up wasting lots of time.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Just curious if there are any plans for future support of other tested<br>> >> > & approved sound devices eventually?<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Or do you think the CM108 will be available for years to come?<br>> >> > I'm under the impression they're getting harder & harder to actually<br>> >> find.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Just curious & thanks.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Steve<br>> >> > N8LBV<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > JUST DONT DO IT!!! There is a reason that we dont support regular<br>> >> sound<br>> >> > > cards.<br>> >> > > THEY DONT WORK WORTH A POO! They sound terrible, and are<br>> >> inconsistent.<br>> >> > > Friends dont let friends use internal soundcards to interface to<br>> >> radio<br>> >> > > systems.<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > JIM WB6NIL<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:08:23 -0400<br>> >> > > From: n3fe@repeater.net<br>> >> > > To: app_rpt-users@qrvc.com<br>> >> > > Subject: [App_rpt-users] Question<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > I have been having a heck of a time trying to find a fob with a<br>> >> > > cm108 chip in it. I have 5 fobs here all from different suppliers<br>> >> and<br>> >> > > none of<br>> >> > > them have the right chip even though they were listed as a cm108.<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > I had seen a alsaradio channel driver and tried that but it<br>> >> > > errors our asterisk with a 127 error. Is there anything out there so<br>> >> that<br>> >> > > we<br>> >> > > can use serial/soundcard interfacing instead of a fob or the<br>> >> expensive<br>> >> > > quad<br>> >> > > card?<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > Corey N3FE<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > --<br>> >> > > This message has been checked and is believed to be clean.<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > _______________________________________________<br>> >> > > App_rpt-users mailing list<br>> >> > > App_rpt-users@qrvc.com<br>> >> > > http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users<br>> >> > > --<br>> >> > > This message has been scanned for viruses and<br>> >> > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is<br>> >> > > believed to be clean.<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > _______________________________________________<br>> >> > > App_rpt-users mailing list<br>> >> > > App_rpt-users@qrvc.com<br>> >> > > http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users<br>> >> > ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > Michigan Broadband Systems Inc.<br>> >> > "Always Connected"<br>> >> ><br>> >> > (734)527-7150<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Steve's cellphone: (734)904-1811<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > --<br>> >> > This message has been scanned for viruses and<br>> >> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is<br>> >> > believed to be clean.<br>> >> ><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> App_rpt-users mailing list<br>> >> App_rpt-users@qrvc.com<br>> >> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> App_rpt-users mailing list<br>> >> App_rpt-users@qrvc.com<br>> >> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > App_rpt-users mailing list<br>> > App_rpt-users@qrvc.com<br>> > http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users<br>> ><br>> > --<br>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and<br>> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is<br>> > believed to be clean.<br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> Michigan Broadband Systems Inc.<br>> "Always Connected"<br>> <br>> (734)527-7150<br>> <br>> Steve's cellphone: (734)904-1811<br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> This message has been scanned for viruses and<br>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is<br>> believed to be clean.<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> App_rpt-users mailing list<br>> App_rpt-users@qrvc.com<br>> http://qrvc.com/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users<br> </body>
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