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Well I can tell you that I have only used the URI on the Master II
and other radios like the GE phoenix and Deltas. All were set to
have a disc. output of 1 Volt P-P (not rms). <br>
The 1 V p-p seemed to be just right for the URI. <br>
<br>
I cant say what a modified fob would require. I did make one up and
it didn't work the same as the URI. So maybe the modified fobs need
more attenuation to work properly.<br>
I have standardized on the the URI, but that is my personnel
preference.<br>
In the end, its what ever works. As My boss use to say "do whatever
it takes to make it work".. so I did. <br>
<br>
Jon<br>
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On 10/8/2010 12:34 PM, Randy Ballard wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTinq9TJBP-EoaqvobhEqiKmKKOQEkfzb26pSZkow@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I have been having the same issue and the 470k
resistor seems to make it work. <br>
Does anyone know what voltage limits are for the sound fob i see
in these emails someone said 1 volt should be ok but my masterII
is set at exactly 1 and rxnoise fails until i added the resistor i
also tried turning it down the lowest i could get was .67 volts
and it still failed.<br>
I am ok with using the resistor because it works but for future
reference it would help to know if there is a magic number.<br>
<br>
Randy <br>
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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Corey Dean N3FE <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">I don’t remember what I used. I
will check tonight after
my Son’s away football game and post it when I get
home.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">A fellow ham, KB3HJC, was having
the same problem and was
following the discussion last night. He ended up
using a 470K.</span></p>
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rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">I gave the repeater a good workout
this morning and there is no
question it is working right. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ok that being said <br>
what resistor values did you use?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 22:16,
Corey Dean N3FE <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We are all
set. I played around
with some different resistor values and now
all is working as it should.
I used a remote base off of one of my
repeaters off low power and it dug right
in the noise. Thanks for all of your help!
It is working great
now…. I am learning as I got and I have
learned a lot of ins and
outs this week…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
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again!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok
what level do you have with a full
quieting signal 1k tone with 3 k
deviation?<br>
there should be no problem if there is ~ 1
v p-p.<br>
<br>
You can try setting thy rx boost off as
Jim suggested if its too high.<br>
<br>
The out put can be adjusted on a pot in
the discriminator box on the IF board
too.<br>
<br>
Jon<br>
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On 10/6/2010 9:13 PM, Jim Duuuude wrote: </p>
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12pt;">try
setting the rxboost=0 it looks like your
signal is very loud and is
overloading<br>
the A/D.<br>
<br>
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:54:11 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Using a
Master II</p>
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<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Jon,</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
just got done checking things out.
The
same audio that is located on Volume
Squelch hi is located on the
backplane.
I just traced the circuit back and
double checked it with my VOM.
Here is a link to the file I used
many years ago.
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<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
fail every time I run the RX squelch
detect
from radio-tune-menu. Here are the
results for that…</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tune
rxnoise maxtries=12, target=27000,
tolerance=2750</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=0,
setting=2, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=1,
setting=2, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=2,
setting=2, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=3,
setting=2, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=4,
setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=5,
setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=6,
setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=7,
setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=8,
setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=9,
setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=10,
setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=11,
setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">DONE
tries=12, setting=63, meas=32767,
sqnoise=20936</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">ERROR:
RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If
I set the squelch setting low manually
I can
hear the squelch tail everytime I
unkey. If I have someone with a noisy
but legible signal it just won’t
hold. I can go to cas and it will
work just fine. Could it be the PL
detect that is holding it from
digging?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Any
other suggestions?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Corey
N3FE</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p>I think the audio out lines on the back
plane are de-emphasized or flat to
3k then it rolls off. Either way In this
case that is not what you want. If you
were connecting to a hardware controller
and using the cas/RX mute then it
works just fine. <br>
In the case of using DSP squelch and DSP
L decode by the fob/ URI it must be
connected to the Discriminator. You
could also set your node to speaker
out instead of flat and use the USB for
the cas connection. That should
work too. <br>
<br>
I personally like using the DSP Squelch
and DSP tone as it is very quick - no
squelch busts! That is... if you have
the RX squelch set right. ;-) <br>
<br>
Jon<br>
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On 10/6/2010 9:19 AM, Corey Dean N3FE
wrote: </p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This
is making some sense now. I did pull
off the back plane but I never traced
it back to see where exactly it was
coming from. Many moons ago I
followed the Scom 7k to Master II
hookup
info. I have always just used that
same spot on all other controllers in
the past without an issue and
excellent audio. I will give that a
try
tonight. I know what pin you are
referring to. It would be the same
pin that you would use in a mobile
conversion and it is also available
where
the stock PL board would plug in. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks
and I will give it a try this evening!</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Corey</span></p>
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<p>I have set up a Master II repeater
station in full duplex mode using a URI
for dsp squelch and dsp pl decode and it
works just fine. The main thing is to
connect it to the volume/squelch hi (raw
discriminator) or you will have
problems. The master II should be able
to give you 1V p-p output with 1k tone @
3k dev on the volumw/squelch hi which is
not available on the back plane. You
have to pull it off one of the
connectors on the drawer. Have to check
my notes
on what pin. <br>
<br>
Any way I have a couple of units working
in this manner with no problems.<br>
<br>
Jon VA3RQ<br>
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On 10/6/2010 7:46 AM, Corey Dean N3FE
wrote: </p>
<p>So I have been using a GE Master II
repeater (actual repeater, not a
converted mobile) for the allstar node
in full duplex repeater mode. I
noticed it just doesn’t dig too well
when using the fob to decode the
PL. I have a maxtrac on another fob and
that will dig into the noise
great. As a test I hooked up a ts32 and
ran the output of that in the
CAS/COR on the fob and it worked great!
I want to try to get the built in
decoder working correctly though.
Another friend of mine is also running
a GE Master II and he is having the same
problem. When we run the rxnoise
level from either the radio-tune-menu or
using the radio tune command from
asterisk it always fails. Anyone have
any suggestions on a way to resolve
this? I have another use for my
hardware pl decoder so I would like
to get the USB Frob working
correctly!!!!</p>
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<p>Corey N3FE </p>
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