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    Well I can tell you that I have only used the URI on the Master II
    and other radios like the GE phoenix and Deltas. All were set to
    have a disc. output of 1 Volt P-P (not rms). <br>
    The 1 V p-p seemed to be just right for the URI. <br>
    <br>
    I cant say what a modified fob would require. I did make one up and
    it didn't work the same as the URI. So maybe the modified fobs need
    more attenuation to work properly.<br>
    I have standardized on the the URI, but that is my personnel
    preference.<br>
    In the end, its what ever works. As My boss use to say "do whatever
    it takes to make it work".. so I did. <br>
    <br>
    Jon<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 10/8/2010 12:34 PM, Randy Ballard wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:AANLkTinq9TJBP-EoaqvobhEqiKmKKOQEkfzb26pSZkow@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">I have been having the same issue and the 470k
      resistor seems to make it work. <br>
      Does anyone know what voltage limits are for the sound fob i see
      in these emails someone said 1 volt should be ok but my masterII
      is set at exactly 1 and rxnoise fails until i added the resistor i
      also tried turning it down the lowest i could get was .67 volts
      and it still failed.<br>
      I am ok with using the resistor because it works but for future
      reference it would help to know if there is a magic number.<br>
      <br>
      Randy <br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://kb3hjc.net/"
        target="_blank">KB3HJC</a><br>
       <br>
      <br>
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        On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Corey Dean N3FE <span dir="ltr"><<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:n3fe@repeater.net">n3fe@repeater.net</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
                  rgb(31, 73, 125);">I don’t remember what I used.  I
                  will check tonight after
                  my Son’s away football game and post it when I get
                  home.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
                  rgb(31, 73, 125);">A fellow ham, KB3HJC, was having
                  the same problem and was
                  following the discussion last night.  He ended up
                  using a 470K.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
                  rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
                  rgb(31, 73, 125);">I gave the repeater a good workout
                  this morning and there is no
                  question it is working right.  </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
                  rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
                  rgb(31, 73, 125);">Corey  N3FE</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
                    style="font-size: 10pt;"> Bob Brown - WØNQX
                    [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:bbrown@byrg.net" target="_blank">bbrown@byrg.net</a>]
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 07, 2010 1:45 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Corey Dean N3FE<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:jrorke@cogeco.ca" target="_blank">jrorke@cogeco.ca</a>;
                    app_rpt mailing list
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                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users] Using a
                        Master II</div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">ok that being said <br>
                    what resistor values did you use?<br>
                    <br>
                    <br clear="all">
                    --<br>
                    Thanks in Advance<br>
                    <br>
                       Bob Brown, WØNQX<br>
                    <br>
                       Kansas City Metro Area<br>
                    <br>
                       <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://sm0kenet.net/" target="_blank">http://sm0kenet.net</a><br>
                    <br>
                       <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://byrg.net/" target="_blank">http://byrg.net</a><br>
                    <br>
                       <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://kcdstar.byrg.net/" target="_blank">http://kcdstar.byrg.net</a><br>
                    <br>
                    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?<br>
                    <span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
                      Its not how many watts you have, <br>
                      its the SIZE of your watts that matter! -- Johnny
                      Marshall, W0JM-SK</span></p>
                  <p>--</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 22:16,
                      Corey Dean N3FE <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:n3fe@repeater.net" target="_blank">n3fe@repeater.net</a>>
                      wrote:</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We are all
                            set.  I played around
                            with some different resistor values and now
                            all is working as it should. 
                            I used a remote base off of one of my
                            repeaters off low power and it dug right
                            in the noise.  Thanks for all of your help! 
                            It is working great
                            now….  I am learning as I got and I have
                            learned a lot of ins and
                            outs this week…</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks
                            again!</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Corey  N3FE</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                            11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                  style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
                                style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com"
                                  target="_blank">app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com</a>
                                [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com"
                                  target="_blank">app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com</a>]
                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>RED BUTTON MICRO<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 06, 2010
                                9:37 PM<br>
                                <b>Cc:</b> app_rpt mailing list</span></p>
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                                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users]
                                    Using a Master II</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Ok
                              what level do you have with a full
                              quieting signal 1k tone with 3 k
                              deviation?<br>
                              there should be no problem if there is ~ 1
                              v p-p.<br>
                              <br>
                              You can try setting thy rx boost off as
                              Jim suggested if its too high.<br>
                              <br>
                              The out put can be adjusted on a pot in
                              the discriminator box on the IF board
                              too.<br>
                              <br>
                              Jon<br>
                              <br>
                              On 10/6/2010 9:13 PM, Jim Duuuude wrote: </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
                              12pt;">try
                              setting the rxboost=0  it looks like your
                              signal is very loud and is
                              overloading<br>
                              the A/D.<br>
                              <br>
                              JIM</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
                              12pt;">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:n3fe@repeater.net"
                                target="_blank">n3fe@repeater.net</a><br>
                              To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:jrorke@cogeco.ca"
                                target="_blank">jrorke@cogeco.ca</a>; <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:app_rpt-users@qrvc.com"
                                target="_blank">app_rpt-users@qrvc.com</a><br>
                              Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:54:11 -0400<br>
                              Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Using a
                              Master II</p>
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                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Jon,</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
                                  just got done checking things out. 
                                  The
                                  same audio that is located on Volume
                                  Squelch hi is located on the
                                  backplane.
                                   I just traced the circuit back and
                                  double checked it with my VOM.
                                   Here is a link to the file I used
                                  many years ago. 
                                     <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://www.scomcontrollers.com/downloads/7kgem2bs.pdf"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.scomcontrollers.com/downloads/7kgem2bs.pdf</a></span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
                                  fail every time I run the RX squelch
                                  detect
                                  from radio-tune-menu.  Here are the
                                  results for that…</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tune
                                  rxnoise maxtries=12, target=27000,
                                  tolerance=2750</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=0,
                                  setting=2, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=1,
                                  setting=2, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=2,
                                  setting=2, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=3,
                                  setting=2, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=4,
                                  setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=5,
                                  setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=6,
                                  setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=7,
                                  setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=8,
                                  setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=9,
                                  setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=10,
                                  setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tries=11,
                                  setting=1, meas=32767</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">DONE
                                  tries=12, setting=63, meas=32767,
                                  sqnoise=20936</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">ERROR:
                                  RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If
                                  I set the squelch setting low manually
                                  I can
                                  hear the squelch tail everytime I
                                  unkey.  If I have someone with a noisy
                                  but legible signal it just won’t
                                  hold.  I can go to cas and it will
                                  work just fine.  Could it be the PL
                                  detect that is holding it from
                                  digging?</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Any
                                  other suggestions?</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Corey 
                                  N3FE</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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                                  <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
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                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com"
                                        target="_blank">app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com</a>
                                      [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com"
                                        target="_blank">mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com</a>]
                                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Rorke<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October
                                      06, 2010 9:53 AM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> APP_RPT_Users<br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                      [App_rpt-users] Using a Master II</span></p>
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                              <p> </p>
                              <p>I think the audio out lines on the back
                                plane are de-emphasized or flat to
                                3k then it rolls off. Either way In this
                                case that is not what you want. If you
                                were connecting to a hardware controller
                                and using the cas/RX mute then it
                                works just fine. <br>
                                In the case of using DSP squelch and DSP
                                L decode by the fob/ URI it must be
                                connected to the Discriminator.  You
                                could also set your node to speaker
                                out instead of flat and use the USB for
                                the cas connection.  That should
                                work too. <br>
                                <br>
                                I personally like using the DSP Squelch
                                and DSP tone as it is very quick - no
                                squelch busts! That is... if you have
                                the RX squelch set right. ;-) <br>
                                <br>
                                Jon<br>
                                <br>
                                On 10/6/2010 9:19 AM, Corey Dean N3FE
                                wrote: </p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This
                                  is making some sense now.  I did pull
                                  off the back plane but I never traced
                                  it back to see where exactly it was
                                  coming from.  Many moons ago I
                                  followed the Scom 7k to Master II
                                  hookup
                                  info.  I have always just used that
                                  same spot on all other controllers in
                                  the past without an issue and
                                  excellent audio.  I will give that a
                                  try
                                  tonight.  I know what pin you are
                                  referring to.  It would be the same
                                  pin that you would use in a mobile
                                  conversion and it is also available
                                  where
                                  the stock PL board would plug in.  </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks
                                  and I will give it a try this evening!</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Corey</span></p>
                              <p><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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                                  <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
                                      style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com"
                                        target="_blank">app_rpt-users-bounces@qrvc.com</a>
                                      [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Rorke<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October
                                      06, 2010 8:35 AM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> APP_RPT_Users<br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                      [App_rpt-users] Using a Master II</span></p>
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                              <p>I have set up a Master II repeater
                                station in full duplex mode using a URI
                                for dsp squelch and dsp pl decode and it
                                works just fine. The main thing is to
                                connect it to the volume/squelch hi (raw
                                discriminator) or you will have
                                problems. The master II should be able
                                to give you 1V p-p output with 1k tone @
                                3k dev on the volumw/squelch hi which is
                                not available on the back plane. You
                                have to pull it off one of the
                                connectors on the drawer. Have to check
                                my notes
                                on what pin. <br>
                                <br>
                                Any way I have a couple of units working
                                in this manner with no problems.<br>
                                <br>
                                Jon VA3RQ<br>
                                <br>
                                On 10/6/2010 7:46 AM, Corey Dean N3FE
                                wrote: </p>
                              <p>So I have been using a GE Master II
                                repeater (actual repeater, not a
                                converted mobile) for the allstar node
                                in full duplex repeater mode.  I
                                noticed it just doesn’t dig too well
                                when using the fob to decode the
                                PL.  I have a maxtrac on another fob and
                                that will dig into the noise
                                great.  As a test I hooked up a ts32 and
                                ran the output of that in the
                                CAS/COR on the fob and it worked great! 
                                I want to try to get the built in
                                decoder working correctly though. 
                                Another friend of mine is also running
                                a GE Master II and he is having the same
                                problem.  When we run the rxnoise
                                level from either the radio-tune-menu or
                                using the radio tune command from
                                asterisk it always fails.  Anyone have
                                any suggestions on a way to resolve
                                this?   I have another use for my
                                hardware pl decoder so I would like
                                to get the USB Frob working
                                correctly!!!!</p>
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                              <p> </p>
                              <p>Corey  N3FE </p>
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