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Despite the fact that in my personal experience I have never been involved in<br>a case where it was necessary to have "launch delay", there certainly a number<br>of people that have done these things for years that are of the opinion that it<br>sure is necessary in certain cases. <br><br>Currently as the device currently stands, it does not inherently support this feature.<br>It was intended that in cases where this was necessary, it could be accomplished<br>externally to the RTCM.<br><br>Some transmitters (such as the Motorola Quantar, which we have used somewhat<br>extensively so far and had WONDERFUL results) have that feature built in to them, since<br>use as a simulcast transmitter was designed into them from the beginning.<br><br>In situations where this is not the case, an external variable delay device can be<br>utilized to accomplish this feature.<br><br>If experience over time shows us that there are a significant number of users that<br>require (as opposed to just wanting, for no good reason) this feature, I have no<br>problem designing that feature into a new version of the RTCM/Voter board.<br>It would, however increase the cost and complexity of the device. At this time,<br>it is not included in the current version of the device.<br><br>JIM WB6NIL<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: w7ry@centurytel.net<br>To: pete.elke@esquared.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org<br>Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:00:59 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module)isnowavailable<br><br>
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<div><font face="Calibri">How do you control launch delay for your simulcast
transmitters? </font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">73</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">Jim W7RY</font></div>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a title="pete.elke@esquared.com" href="mailto:pete.elke@esquared.com">Peter Elke</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:10 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt mailing list</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client
Module)isnowavailable</div></div></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Hi
Marshal,</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">We
have been running two separate test projects with the module over the last few
weeks. So far they seem very functional and cut down on node management if
your goal is “perma-link” nodes.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">The
first project is to take separate sites and merge them into one frequency (and
one big node). At this point we have two of the eight cut over and we have
worked out the basic mechanics. We use Micor receivers and MSX100
transmitters (that may change). The transmitters are frequency locked
using MSF5000 UHSO units with the reference source being a GPS’s 10Mhz
output. The UHSO creates 14.4Mhz that is fed into the MCX units. In
our testing it became very clear that all of the radios need to be
identical.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">The
voting is very cool, you can watch as is switches between the receive sites
(very quickly, multiple times in a 1 second period) and the toggling goes
unnoticed on the repeater’s output. </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Our
next phase is to create larger overlapping coverage area to see how it sounds
mixed by adding a third site in the middle of the current two. At this
point we don’t have much simulcast data, the overlap area is quite
small.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">The
other project is an upgrade to my portable Beagleboard node that I use
traveling. The old version was an Astro portable driven by a LOX
board. The Beagle had a USB WiFi to a Verizon hot spot box. The
upgrade swaps out the beagle for a RTCM and makes the connection from the road
automatic. To create the internet for the module the old USB wifi was
switched out for a Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge. When
there is cell coverage it works and when there is no cell coverage it’s dead,
simple, easy, no-dialing. The first road test was today, all went well
other than some LTE Verizon problems.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Over
all very cool stuff…</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Pete
WI6H…</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;">
app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marshall Oldham<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 21, 2011
12:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list'<br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module)
isnowavailable</span></p></div></div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">Jim,
</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">Okay so
one server running Allstar node software at a central location (like my house)
can support a dozen RTCM's being used as "Generic" conventional </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">full
duplex (repeaters) radio interfaces on far away hilltops even if I do not
want to use the RTCM GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting or Simulcast
Transmitter features?</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">As long
as I have some sort of internet connection at the remote sites back to my
house?</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">If I
understand this correctly this would mean that:</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">1) No
cost of computer at the radio site.</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">2) No
worry about the node computer locking up at the remote radio site and having to
reboot or reset it.</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">3) No cost
other than the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) to setup an Allstar
node at the remote radio site. (no computer, no URI, no Sound
FOB) </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">4) If I
use the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) I have the ability to setup a normal
Allstar node at the present time and then later if I want to I can upgrade
the hilltop </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">for GPS-Timing
Multi receiver voting and Simulcast Transmitter by simply adding a GPS
receiver at the site and reconfiguring the software.</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">If so,
this seems like a pretty cool little piece of
hardware! </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">Marshall
- ke6pcv </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> Jim Duuuude
[mailto:telesistant@hotmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 21, 2011
11:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> Marshall Oldham; app_rpt mailing
list<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client
Module) is nowavailable</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;">Yeah, that's the
general idea. The location of the Linux server running app_rpt/Asterisk can
be<br>more or less anywhere within Internet connectivity of all of the
receiver and/or transmitter sites.<br>Of course, "Internet" can mean either
some sort of public Internet connection, or a privately-provided<br>Internet
connection (low-cost microwave link(s), etc).<br><br>The only limitation is
that an RTCM/Voter module *must* be located on the same LAN as the
Linux<br>server, to at least provide a GPS-based timing reference. A system
could be set up with a server<br>located in some sort of datacenter "on the
ground", and all the radios could have an RTCM "on the<br>hill" with them, and
as long as there is Internet connectivity of some sort between each of
them<br>and the server, the system will work nicely. That is providing that
there is an RTCM located at<br>the server location also (whether or not that
particular RTCM has radio hardware connected to it<br>or not).<br><br>One
minimal Linux server can easily support 1 or 2 dozen RTCM's (on 1 or 2 allstar
nodes),<br>and a larger server could easily support MANY dozens of them on
dozens of allstar nodes.<br>Of course, you REALLY dont want to put too many of
them on a single server, being a potential<br>single point of failure. For
pretty much any practical purpose, the reasonable limitation is<br>the point
of failure/redundancy issue, not technical limitations.<br><br>I'm not sure if
you were clear on this, so I thought I would mention that the RTCM is not
just<br>usable as a GPS-timing-based Multi-Receiver Voting system and/or a
Simulcast Transmitter system.<br>It can also be used as a "generic" radio
interface for a conventional (non-GPS-based) either simplex<br>or full duplex
(repeater) radio. The advantage of doing this would be to not have the
Linux<br>host "on the hill" with the radio (as mentioned above). In addition,
the RTCM allows for <br>portable/mobile operation with a mobile/portable
Internet connection in both the GPS-based<br>and non-GPS-based environments.
<br><br>JIM WB6NIL<br><br></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;">From:
ke6pcv@cal-net.org<br>To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org<br>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011
10:54:18 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client
Module) is nowavailable</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span class="ecx104503518-21122011"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">I have
been looking at the Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) and it
really looks like a GREAT product and addition to the already cool
Allstar hardware. </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span class="ecx104503518-21122011"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">Among
all the other cool features of the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module)
like Transmitter Simulcasting and Receiver Voting, if I understand
the documentation </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span class="ecx104503518-21122011"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">correctly
you can use this very small Radio Thin Client Module at a remote radio
site to set up an Allstar repeater node if the site has internet
connection without a COMPUTER at the site?</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span class="ecx104503518-21122011"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">Then
you can point the node on the hilltop back to a server on the ground somewhere
that is easy to get too? </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span class="ecx104503518-21122011"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">How
many total sites can you use Radio Thin Client Modules on and point
back to a single server on the ground? </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span class="ecx104503518-21122011"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">If
this is the case, All I can say is WOW, how cool!</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span class="ecx104503518-21122011"><span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: blue; font-size: 10pt;">73</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;">
app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Guibord<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 18, 2011
11:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org<br><b>Subject:</b>
[App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is
nowavailable</span></p>
<div><pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white; color: black; font-size: 11pt;">Allstar RTCM Radio Thin-Client Module, an Open-Source VOIP-Based Voting Multi-Receiver and Simulcast Transmit System is now available for purchase. </span></pre><pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white; color: black; font-size: 11pt;"> </span></pre><pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white; color: black; font-size: 11pt;">F</span><span style="color: black; font-size: 11pt;">or more information visit </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><a href="http://micro-node.com/thin-m1.html" target="_blank">http://micro-node.com/thin-m1.html</a> </span></pre><pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 11pt;"> </span></pre><pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 11pt;">Regards,</span></pre><pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 11pt;">Mark Guibord</span></pre><pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black; font-size: 11pt;">Micro-Node International</span></pre>
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