<p dir="ltr">Can't say about posting it to ohnosec, thats not my department, but if you'd wish me to proof read the document for you, I certainly can give you some time. I think such a document would be rather valuable to the community.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 01/04/2013 2:41 AM, "Pierre Martel" <<a href="mailto:petem001@hotmail.com">petem001@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I am working a HOW TO for tuning radio so that some other not so
bright as me will be able to do a tuning with out clogging the mailling list
;-).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Wi there be a place to post it on the ohnesec web page if it’s up to the
standard of the group??</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I will need someone more fluent then me in english to proof read it. My
english is far from being good enough..</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="petem001@hotmail.com" href="mailto:petem001@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Pierre Martel</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:26 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="jrorke@cogeco.ca" href="mailto:jrorke@cogeco.ca" target="_blank">jrorke@cogeco.ca</a> ; <a title="app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" target="_blank">APP
RPT</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users] Something is rotten in the state of
Denmark(well no so much)?</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
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<div>Looks like you did gave me the info I needed.. The squelch is now set
properly (850) and all is working as I wished.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Now lets work on the transmitter!</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="jrorke@cogeco.ca" href="mailto:jrorke@cogeco.ca" target="_blank">REDBUTTON_CTRL</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:05 AM</div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="petem001@hotmail.com" href="mailto:petem001@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Pierre Martel</a> ; <a title="app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" target="_blank">APP
RPT</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users] Something is rotten in the state of
Denmark (well no so much)?</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';display:inline;font-weight:normal">Hi
Pierre, ok looking at your output below, you did get the warning but as
mentioned earlier this happens on a lot of radios but doesn't always mean it
wont work.<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>WARNING: Insufficient high frequency noise from receiver.</div>
<div>WARNING: Rx input point may be de-emphasized and not flat.</div>
<div> usbradio.conf setting of
'carrierfrom=dsp' not recommended.</div>
<div>WARNING: RSSI=748 SQUELCH=500 and is set too loose.</div>
<div> Use 'radio tune
rxsquelch' to adjust.</div>
<div>ve2mrc*CLI> radio tune rxsquelch</div>
<div>Current Signal Strength is 755</div>
<div>Current Squelch setting is 500</div></blockquote><br>This is saying your
squelch is open right now. If you take tone decode off you will hear the squelch
noise. You need to set your squelch. <br><br>When you just do a radio tune
rxsquelch, it doesn't set any thing but it reports the current measured signal
and the squelch setting. <br><br>From the above info, your squelch is set to 500
and the signal is 755. To close the squelch you need to set your squelch to a
value greater then the rx signal level.<br>To do this, type in this
command:<br>radio tune rxsquelch 800<br><br>This will set the squelch to 800
which is above the RX level and the squelch will close. Then do a radio tune
save.<br><br>It looks like the discriminator input is ok or it wouldn't even
read the rx level from your MSR 2000.<br><br>Once you confirm the squelch is now
working, you can fine tune the squelch setting to your linking.<br><br>I
generally find the DSP squelch needs to be 50 to 100 points above the idle RX
level for reasonable operation. YMMV.<br><br>Hope this helps.<br><br>Jon
VA3RQ<br><br><br>On 3/29/2013 8:36 PM, George Csahanin wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Pierre, ignore the high freq message, all of mine do that and work just
fine...</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Good luck. I hope you did "save"</div>
<div> </div>
<div>George 2360<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div>
<div><br>On Mar 29, 2013, at 7:21 PM, "Pierre Martel" <<a href="mailto:petem001@hotmail.com" target="_blank">petem001@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
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<div>Ok got it to tune. with rxboost=1. Did I forgot to reload the data when
I made my initial test? dont know.. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>the program did told me that there was not a lot of high freq and not
to use dsp.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>But I find this odd.. Did try another URI-x, same thing. so my URI are
either bad or either both good.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Using pin 21 and ground 19 is this a bad idea? There is a voltage going
out from my msr2000 pin 5, I dont think it would be wise to plug it to the
mic in dc on the URI..</div>
<div> </div>
<div>here is the whole process..</div>
<div> </div>
<div>ve2mrc*CLI> radio active usb28739</div>
<div>Active (command) USB Radio device set to [usb28739]</div>
<div>ve2mrc*CLI> radio tune rxnoise</div>
<div>tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=27000, tolerance=2750</div>
<div>tries=0, setting=2, meas=8224</div>
<div>tries=1, setting=7, meas=20627</div>
<div>tries=2, setting=9, meas=26110</div>
<div>tries=3, setting=9, meas=25809</div>
<div>tries=4, setting=9, meas=26031</div>
<div>tries=5, setting=9, meas=25882</div>
<div>tries=6, setting=9, meas=25827</div>
<div>DONE tries=6, setting=563, meas=25827, sqnoise=8293</div>
<div>INFO: RX INPUT ADJUST SUCCESS.</div>
<div>WARNING: Insufficient high frequency noise from receiver.</div>
<div>WARNING: Rx input point may be de-emphasized and not flat.</div>
<div> usbradio.conf setting
of 'carrierfrom=dsp' not recommended.</div>
<div>WARNING: RSSI=748 SQUELCH=500 and is set too loose.</div>
<div> Use 'radio tune
rxsquelch' to adjust.</div>
<div>ve2mrc*CLI> radio tune rxsquelch</div>
<div>Current Signal Strength is 755</div>
<div>Current Squelch setting is 500</div>
<div>ve2mrc*CLI> radio tune rxtone</div>
<div>INFO: RX CTCSS ADJUST START.</div>
<div>target=2400 tolerance=100</div>
<div>tries=0, setting=1.000000, meas=847</div>
<div>tries=1, setting=2.833530, meas=2379</div>
<div>tries=2, setting=2.858542, meas=2402</div>
<div>tries=3, setting=2.856162, meas=2401</div>
<div>tries=4, setting=2.856162, meas=2405</div>
<div>tries=5, setting=2.856162, meas=2397</div>
<div>DONE tries=5, setting=2.856162, meas=2397.00</div>
<div>INFO: RX CTCSS GAIN ADJUST SUCCESS.</div>
<div>INFO: RX RSSI=989</div>
<div> -- Hungup 'Zap/pseudo-<a href="tel:2047300106" value="+12047300106" target="_blank">2047300106</a>'</div>
<div>ve2mrc*CLI> radio tune rxvoice</div>
<div>INFO: RX VOICE ADJUST START.</div>
<div>target=7200 tolerance=360</div>
<div>tries=0, setting=1.000000, meas=11572</div>
<div>tries=1, setting=0.622191, meas=6708</div>
<div>tries=2, setting=0.667826, meas=7197</div>
<div>tries=3, setting=0.668105, meas=6958</div>
<div>tries=4, setting=0.668105, meas=7229</div>
<div>tries=5, setting=0.668105, meas=6849</div>
<div>DONE tries=5, setting=0.668105, meas=6849.000000</div>
<div>INFO: RX VOICE GAIN ADJUST SUCCESS.</div>
<div> -- Hungup 'Zap/pseudo-1459324833'</div>
<div> -- Hungup 'Zap/pseudo-1663732594'</div>
<div>ve2mrc*CLI> radio tune save</div>
<div>Saved radio tuning settings to usbradio_tune_usb28739.conf</div>
<div>[Mar 29 20:00:14] NOTICE[2331]: chan_usbradio.c:1771 hidthread: USB
Parameters written to EEPROM on usb28739</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Now after reading the second notice I am think if I am not mixing again
with my flat vs de-emphasis audio.. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>right now I stated that my audio is flat with rxdemod=flat... Am I
ok?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks for your help.. this is getting in my head.. LOL</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="george@dyb.com" href="mailto:george@dyb.com" target="_blank">George Csahanin</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 29, 2013 3:55 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="petem001@hotmail.com" href="mailto:petem001@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Pierre Martel</a>
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users] Something is rotten in the state of
Denmark</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Last question first, yes, always save the
settings unless you know t is only temporary. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">The RXNOISE test suggests that there isn not
enough noise getting to the URI. It had the gain as high as possible and
still doesn''t see the amount of noise it needs. Again, that does account
for your symptom. My MSR2000 manual is a UHF unit, but the control side
should be looking for the same amoiunt of noise, I'll get out the manual.
</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">OK, VHF and UHF are identical here. Where you
pickup noise/rx detect audio is about 250mV. I really don't know if that is
enough to drive it all. It may not be. It is amplified in the Receiver
Audio/Squelch board to 380 mvRMS. That is off the output of U1 on the
receive audio/squelch board which in two receiver kodels is a
horizontal card under teh vertically slotted cards. In a single frequency
model it is in position 7 There is no pin where the amplified detected audio
comes out, so it requires surgery. I would capacitively couple itr to pin 1
of U1This is a place where JU101, JU102, R7 (pot) , R4 (pot),m R6 33k and U1
pin 1 connect. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I'd re-check your connections and DC isolation
first. I know this audio in might have voltage pn it. Or that may be the
tranamit side. Wait! Just noticed something important. Your rxboost=0 on
28739. The amount you're off on the level should easily be made up there. It
WILL make a difference. I just tried with rxboost=0, normal for me, and
noted gain at 13 for that. I changed rxboost=1, restarted asterisk and now
doe the test. Level went to 32000 gain at 0 or 1, and failed. Too high.
Backed it down and it was ok. My point is that rxboost WILL make a
difference for you. Then it is a matter of setting squelch. I look at radio
tune rxsquelch several times and set the squelch point to be about 150 to
200 over the rxnoiselevel (labeled Signal Strength)</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">GeorgeC</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Node 2360, try connecting when you get
it...</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Here's my setup:</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">[usb2360]</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">hdwtype=0<br>rxboost=0<br>txboost=1<br>rxctcssrelax=1<br>txctcssdefault=114.8<br>rxctcssfreqs=114.8<br>txctcssfreqs=114.8<br>rxctcssoverride=0<br>carrierfrom=dsp<br>ctcssfrom=dsp<br>rxdemod=flat<br>
txprelim=yes<br>txlimonly=no<br>txtoctype=notone<br>txmixa=composite<br>txmixb=composite<br>invertptt=0<br>duplex=1<br>rxondelay=0<br>rxnoisefiltype=0<br>rxsquelchdelay=100
; delayline in ms carrier squelch tail eliminator<br>eeprom=0</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Don't know what else to suggest...</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">GeorgeC</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a title="petem001@hotmail.com" href="mailto:petem001@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Pierre Martel</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="george@dyb.com" href="mailto:george@dyb.com" target="_blank">George Csahanin</a> ;
<a title="app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" target="_blank">APP RPT</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 29, 2013 12:57
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users]
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark</div>
<div> </div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Calibri'">
<div>Goerge, if you take a look at the receiver part of the mrs 2000 you
will see that it connect to the back plane by a connector, those
connection then goes to various part of the repeater for filtering and
tone detection on vairous different cards.. I take the audio signal
directly from pin 5 of the receiver board. I dont see any filtering on the
reciver board. In fact from the service manual that you can find
here (for the vhf receiver) <a href="http://www.repeater-builder.com/motorola/msr2000/pdfs/vhf-msr2000-receiver.pdf" target="_blank"><font face="Times New Roman">http://www.repeater-builder.com/motorola/msr2000/pdfs/vhf-msr2000-receiver.pdf</font></a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>on page 7 there is a block diagram of the receiver and we can easily
see that there is no audio limitting and or filtering at all on the
board. Nad the leevl that I can see on my scope is pretty close to
250 mv as stated on the service manual..</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I think that the trouble is with my settings..</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I am working on the 28739 node.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>here is my usbradio.conf file</div>
<div> </div>
<div>[general]</div>
<div> </div>
<div>[usb27821]</div>
<div> </div>
<div>hdwtype=0</div>
<div>rxboost=1</div>
<div>txboost=1</div>
<div>rxctcssrelax=1</div>
<div>txctcssdefault=103.5</div>
<div>rxctcssfreqs=103.5</div>
<div>txctcssfreqs=103.5</div>
<div>;rxctcssoverride=0</div>
<div>carrierfrom=dsp</div>
<div>ctcssfrom=dsp</div>
<div>rxdemod=flat</div>
<div>txprelim=yes</div>
<div>txlimonly=no</div>
<div>txtoctype=no</div>
<div>txmixa=composite</div>
<div>txmixb=composite</div>
<div>invertptt=0</div>
<div>duplex=0</div>
<div>rxondelay=1</div>
<div>rxnoisefiltype=0</div>
<div>eeprom=1</div>
<div> </div>
<div>[usb28739]</div>
<div> </div>
<div>hdwtype=0</div>
<div>rxboost=0</div>
<div>txboost=0</div>
<div>rxctcssrelax=0</div>
<div>txctcssdefault=103.5</div>
<div>rxctcssfreqs=103.5</div>
<div>txctcssfreqs=103.5</div>
<div>;rxctcssoverride=0</div>
<div>carrierfrom=dsp</div>
<div>ctcssfrom=dsp</div>
<div>rxdemod=flat</div>
<div>txprelim=yes</div>
<div>txlimonly=no</div>
<div>txtoctype=no</div>
<div>txmixa=composite</div>
<div>txmixb=composite</div>
<div>invertptt=0</div>
<div>duplex=1</div>
<div>rxondelay=0</div>
<div>rxnoisefiltype=1</div>
<div>eeprom=1</div>
<div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';display:inline;font-weight:normal">
<div style="FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div> </div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">I did not touch the 27821 one since I put
it down to use one main controler not a machine connected to port 3 of our
rc210, so I know its not ok..</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">when i try to tune the base
noise....</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div>ve2mrc*CLI> radio active usb28739</div>
<div>Active (command) USB Radio device set to [usb28739]</div>
<div>ve2mrc*CLI> radio tune rxnoise</div>
<div>tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=27000, tolerance=2750</div>
<div>tries=0, setting=2, meas=1754</div>
<div>tries=1, setting=16, meas=16505</div>
<div>tries=2, setting=16, meas=17517</div>
<div>tries=3, setting=16, meas=15942</div>
<div>tries=4, setting=16, meas=15816</div>
<div>tries=5, setting=16, meas=16604</div>
<div>tries=6, setting=16, meas=17943</div>
<div>tries=7, setting=16, meas=17805</div>
<div>tries=8, setting=16, meas=15489</div>
<div>tries=9, setting=16, meas=18234</div>
<div>tries=10, setting=16, meas=16747</div>
<div>tries=11, setting=16, meas=17647</div>
<div>DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=17647, sqnoise=5040</div>
<div>ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED.</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">then I set rxtone and rx voice. but I have
a long tail of noise (about 500 ms) before it stop then I have no sound
and the courtesy tone..</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">I never saved my settings before making
test, would that be the problem? do i need to save the settings every time
I adjust the system so that the settings are used in my test?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="george@dyb.com" href="mailto:george@dyb.com" target="_blank">George Csahanin</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 29, 2013 2:33 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="petem001@hotmail.com" href="mailto:petem001@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Pierre
Martel</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users] Something is rotten in the state
of Denmark</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';display:inline;font-weight:normal">
<div><font face="Arial">Pierre, are you sure that you are getting
wideband noise to the usb device? Before de-emphasis? I am looking at a
manual for a MSR2000 and it shows a "variable gain amplifier (U1) which
feeds the squalch detector, but alsdo feeds a low pass filter on its way
to the noise gate and also feeds a de-emphasis network (U2). Any audio
after that cannot have enough hi frequency component to make the setup for
tune rxnoise work properly, which will not let the squelch work properly.
The long squelch tail you refer to is usbradio not having its squelch set
properly. And that cannot be done without wide band noise in. The result
would never have enough hi freq noise at the uri to actually squelch the
radio. What is eventually kmuting it is the end of input PL
tone...</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Just my thoughts, but I have never had my
hands on a MSR2000. I own one, just haven't received it yet. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">GeorgeC</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">W2DB</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">2360</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a title="petem001@hotmail.com" href="mailto:petem001@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Pierre Martel</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" target="_blank">APP RPT</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 27, 2013
9:38 PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [App_rpt-users] Something
is rotten in the state of Denmark</div>
<div> </div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Calibri'">
<div>Got that phrase in the head, and could not find a good title for
the mail ;-)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Ok Here I am again.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Still with my project to have a full App_rpt controler for my 2
repeater system.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I manage to have our msr 2000 in the shack today cause the exiter
is giving us some trouble.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>so I said, lets fix the exiter AND plug in the URI so that I wont
have to do this on site.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>exiter is ok, well for now...</div>
<div> </div>
<div>So I connect the URI pin 22 (mic AC) to pin 5 of the receiver
inside the msr2000, why 22 there is a big dc bias at this place so uning
the mic dc would nt be wise, I beleive..</div>
<div> </div>
<div>now I go to the computer set active radio usb 28739</div>
<div> </div>
<div>now I do radio tune rxnoise.. It fail.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>there is at leat 200 mv of audio there. changed rxboosst in
usbradio.conf for that node, reload, no difference.</div>
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<div>still did the radio tune rxvoice and rxtone.</div>
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<div>then tested without saving , I have a big white noise at the end of
every receiption before the coutesy tone..</div>
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<div>what Am I doing wrong?</div>
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