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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Brown - WØNQX<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 22, 2013 9:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users] Voter Question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>OK,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have been trying to follow this thread for a bit now.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The documentation is good. But the question still remains...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Can you use ACID or <span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";background:white'>XIPAR</span> (assuming current builds) to do voting<span style='background:#FFFF66'> without</span> using an RTCM?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You can using Xiapr. That is what I am currently using.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2. IF you can, What are the settings required to do this?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> A. on the RX only site.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> B. on the TX Site.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <a href="http://www.xelatec.com/xipar/simplevoter">http://www.xelatec.com/xipar/simplevoter</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3. Can the TX site be used as a RX site as well? 1 URI or modded cm108 fob or is 2 required ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> Only 1 is needed. Here is the rpt.conf file settings for the repeater side<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>votertype=1 ; 0=default, no voting, 1=voter repeater, 2=voter receiver<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>votermode=2 ; 0=default, no voting, 1=voter one-shot, 2=voter continuous<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>votermargin=50 ; 10=default sets signal margin to vote a new winner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You also need to define it as a node like this on the server.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>5001 = radio@192.168.1.189:4561/5001,NONE,VOTE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Here is the repeater and client side urd.conf file.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>sendvoter=1 ; 0=default, no voter rssi, 1=enable voter rssi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>4. Is GPS absolutely necessary, can we use network timing in place of GPS?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> No gps is required using XIPAR. When it voter you might here a missed or gained syllable depending on which way it votes. It is dependent on internet latency. Using it on something with a ping less than 25 ms it is very hard to detect. I have one that on a different netowork with a 50 -70 ms delay and you can hear it switch but mose users won’t even notice.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Has anyone done this set up yet?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Using it on Zipar since it was implemented.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>RTCMs are our of our price range right now.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That was my issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Corey N3FE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>--<br>Thanks in Advance<br><br> Bob Brown, WØNQX<br><br> Kansas City Metro Area<br><br> <br>Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?<br><br><br><br><br>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Scott Weis <<a href="mailto:kb2ear@kb2ear.net" target="_blank">kb2ear@kb2ear.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>For ACID to do voting you NEED at least 2 RTCMs and 2 GPS receivers and one<br>computer running ACID. The RTCMs send RX audio RSSI and GPS timing data<br>back to computer which compares the RSSI levels and picks the best one and<br>sends it to the transmitter.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org</a>] On Behalf Of Corey Dean<br>Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:30 AM<br>To: Tim Sawyer<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a> list<br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Voter Question<br><br>I think you are missing what i am getting at. He will NOT be using rtcm at<br>all. That is why I ask about setting up a computer running acid as the<br>receive site. I need to know what to configure on the pc since we aren't<br>using an rtcm. I doubt the pc will know what the server ants without<br>configuring something on it.<br><br>Corey N3FE<br><br>On Apr 20, 2013, at 11:21 AM, "Tim Sawyer" <<a href="mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com">tim.sawyer@me.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Those changes are on the server. The client (the RTCM) has no config<br>files, all settings are done through a menu.<br>><br>> The one line in rpt.conf that changes is:<br>><br>> rxchannel = Voter/1234 ; Voter node 1234<br>> --<br>> Tim<br>> :wq<br>><br>> On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:47 AM, Corey Dean <<a href="mailto:n3fe@repeater.net">n3fe@repeater.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> I am assuming the changes you mention below are for the client (voter)<br>side of things. Where do I find the server side setup? I will still need<br>to know the one line change in rpt.conf.<br>>><br>>> Corey N3FE<br>>> ________________________________________<br>>> From: <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org</a><br>[<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org</a>] On Behalf Of Tim Sawyer<br>[<a href="mailto:tim.sawyer@me.com">tim.sawyer@me.com</a>]<br>>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:27 PM<br>>> To: <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Voter Question<br>>><br>>> Yes, ACID is the distro that is used with RTCM voting. The difference<br>between a URI and a RTCM set up is minimal. Only one line in rpt.conf needs<br>to be changed. One file, voter.conf is added to the ACID config. That's the<br>entire difference. There is an example voter.conf here:<br><a href="http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/180" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/180</a>. Complete RTCM documentation is available<br>from the micro-node site here:<br><a href="http://206.212.254.21/unode_docs/rtcm_%20manual.pdf" target="_blank"><b><span style='color:red'>MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious:</span></b> http://206.212.254.21/unode_docs/rtcm_%20manual.pdf</a><br>>><br>>> --<br>>> Tim<br>>> :wq<br>>><br>>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Corey Dean <<a href="mailto:n3fe@repeater.net">n3fe@repeater.net</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Hopefully this will change the subject at hand...<br>>>><br>>>> I was reading about the acid voters and had a question or more.<br>>>><br>>>> I currently run the voting in Zipar so I am not familiar with the way<br>the voter works in the ACID distro. I am trying to understand a few thing<br>in ACID to help a friend. I have seen the rtcm that will act as a voting<br>interface as well as the voting card. Can a regular acid install on a<br>computer be used as a voter as well? If so is their any documentation for<br>this? I know a GPS could be connected up to the computer and a radio with<br>true discriminator audio should do the job. I am just curious if the<br>computer with the ACID distro can also be used as a voter with the right<br>configuration.<br>>>><br>>>> Corey N3FE<br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> App_rpt-users mailing list<br>>>> <a href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>>>> <a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> App_rpt-users mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a><br>>><br>>> --<br>>> This message was scanned and is believed to be clean.<br>>> Click here to report this message as spam.<br>>> <a href="http://simba.repeater.net/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=0ACA61FA3.A8987" target="_blank">http://simba.repeater.net/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=0ACA61FA3.A8987</a><br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> This message was scanned and is believed to be clean.<br>> Click here to report this message as spam.<br>> <a href="http://simba.repeater.net/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=3C2BB1FA3.A3363" target="_blank">http://simba.repeater.net/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=3C2BB1FA3.A3363</a><br>><br>><br>_______________________________________________<br>App_rpt-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br><a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>App_rpt-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br><a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-- <br>This message was scanned and is believed to be clean. <br><a href="http://simba.repeater.net:8080/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=CA2121FA3.AAA96">Click here to report this message as spam.</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>