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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><font style="" face="Tahoma">OK the two differing opinion responses explain the difference.<br><br>If I decide to start with simple USB and CTSS decoding in my transceiver fed to the URI cos pin would I use flat audio or dempahsized audio from the transceiver? In the case of the Alinco either the 1200 baud or 9600 baud audio data port outputs? And what input to the Alinco for TX (1200 or 9600)? <br><br>This is confusing because I am not sure if a setting of simple USB also means you send demphasized audio to the interface or do you always send "flat" audio to the interface. And the same question for audio from the interface to the TX.<br><br>I am assuming the term "flat" means before any pre/demphasis. <br id="FontBreak"></font><br><b><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">73 Doug</font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br></font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">WA3DSP</font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br></font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</font></b><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br></font><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DMK URI questions<br>From: tim.sawyer@mac.com<br>Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 08:56:01 -0700<br>CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org<br>To: doug@crompton.com<br><br>The DMK URI works with either SimpleUSB or USBradio (DSP). <div><br></div><div>- Both USBradio and SimpleUSB can do CTCSS high pass filtering and de-emphasis.</div><div>- SimpleUSB cannot do noise squelch, CTCSS squelch or pre-emphasis.</div><div>- SimpleUSB requires less CPU.</div><div><br></div><div>You may not desire or be able to use USBradio:</div><div>- If you have a low speed (less than 800 Mhz) CPU</div><div>- If you can’t get discriminator audio out of your radio</div><div>- If your radio does not produce enough high frequency discriminator audio</div><div>- If you find the squelch action of your radio better than that of USBradio<br><div><br class="ecxwebkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Personally I prefer SimpleUSB over USBradio. I use with commercial Motorola repeaters on congested hill tops. The squelch and CTCSS decode are miles better than USBradio in my opinion.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px;"><div>Tim</div><div>:wq</div></span>
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<br><div><div>On Nov 2, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Doug Crompton <<a href="mailto:doug@crompton.com">doug@crompton.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Tahoma"><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">OK Perhaps I am not using the right Allstar terminology here. My understanding is that simple USB works similar to IRLP in that you use pre/dempahsized audio and COS and there is no further processing. CTSS tones, squelch, etc. are not decoded by the SW but rather by the incoming DC level of COS.<br><br>On the other hand in what I call DSP the CTSS, etc. are decoded by the software. As a for instance the GM300 example on the DMK site uses no COS just audio in, out, and PTT. When using this mode you use flat audio from the RX or audio that has not been demphasized.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>DSP is digital signal processing. That is what the SW does to look at the incoming signal to decode things like CTSS, DTMF, squelch noise etc. I am assuming that simple USB just uses the COS signal to detect carrier. My question was why would one prefer one method over the other or does one work better than the other.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br id="ecxFontBreak"></font><br><b><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">73 Doug</font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br></font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">WA3DSP</font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br></font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><a href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio" target="_blank">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</a></font></b><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br></font><br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:kj6ko@innercite.com">kj6ko@innercite.com</a><br>To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:doug@crompton.com">doug@crompton.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DMK URI questions<br>Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 00:13:15 -0700<br><br><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Doesn't matter. It's a preference thing. By the time audio gets to the internet, it is all digitized and de-emphasized. What comes out the other end depends on what you want. If you are going to feed a modulator directly, you need pre-emphasized audio, and I don't think the URI will do that. It will de-emphasize DISC audio on RX. You should just use MIC audio into the radio and de-emphasized audio into the URI to keep it simple. I would ALWAYS use "CTCSS Valid" signal out of the radio (if avail) and feed the signal to the COS port of the URI.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">COS and CTCSS are meant to be used together, like in a repeater, but it doesn't have to be</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">MIC DC and MIC AC?? you will have to read the radio manual on that one.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">PS: DSP does NOT mean FLAT Audio. It means "Digital Signal Processing" and really has nothing to do with audio shape.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "DSP vs Simple USB"?? Is there a device called a "DSP?" </font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">I'm guessing you should keep it simple and use the "Simple USB" because that is what it is...simple! Not much involved, Audio in, audio out, PTT Out and COR/CTCSS in.(Either or). For a CTCSS detect, you need to find something that will give a GND or +5VDC when an active PL Tone is received. I think the DMK device can do this for you if you don't have one on your radio, in which case you will HAVE to use discriminator audio for RX. The DMK will de-emphasize it before it goes out over the network. </font></div><blockquote style="border-left-color:rgb(0, 0, 0);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:5px;padding-right:0px;"><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial;">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial;background-color:rgb(228, 228, 228);background-position:initial initial;"><b>From:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a title="" href="mailto:doug@crompton.com">Doug Crompton</a></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial;"><b>To:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a title="" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial;"><b>Sent:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, November 01, 2013 10:53 PM</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial;"><b>Subject:</b><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span>[App_rpt-users] DMK URI questions</div><div><br></div><div dir=" ltr"><font face="Tahoma">About a week ago I asked about DMK URI connections to an Alinco radio and I got several responses. I do have a few more questions regarding that.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>The Alinco has both flat and pre/de-emphasized audio available on its data connector as 1200 baud and 9600 baud connections.<br><br>I assume I would use the 1200 baud connections along with COS and PTT for a simple USB interface and the 9600 baud connections along with just the PTT for a DSP interface?<br><br>Do I use the (Alinco 9600 baud) audio to the TX also? Does the DSP pre-emphasize audio or is the processing just on the receive side?<br><br>Why would I want to use one over the other (DSP vs simple USB)? Which is preferred and/or works better? I am thinking there might be some differing opinions here!<br><br>The DMK URI has both mic_DC and mic_AC inputs. Does this refer to frequency response or just that one has DC blocking?<br><br>If you are using flat response (DSP) would the audio in (from the receiver) connections at the URI end matter?<br><br>The DMK URI has both COS and CTSS inputs. Why would you use one over the other? When using DSP I assume neither is needed?</font><br><br><font face="Tahoma">All of the questions above assume I am using the Acid release on a faster processor.</font><br><br><b><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">73 Doug</font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br></font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4">WA3DSP</font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br></font><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><a href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio" target="_blank">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</a></font></b><font style="font-size:16pt;" size="4"><br></font></div><br><br>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8996 (20131101) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com/" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a><br><br><hr><br>_______________________________________________<br>App_rpt-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br><a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a><br><br><br><br>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8996 (20131101) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com/" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a><br><br></blockquote><br><br>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8996 (20131101) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com/" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a><br></div></div></div><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline !important;">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline !important;">App_rpt-users mailing list</span><br style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><a href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a></blockquote></div><br></div></div> </div></body>
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