<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">With the public Allstar network DNS is needed for status updates and to register. Both process use hostnames.<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On May 5, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Doug Crompton <<a href="mailto:doug@crompton.com">doug@crompton.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Tahoma">I guess this is getting way off topic and it also seems there are some strong opinions on dns. First of all Allstar rarely uses dns. The node connections are by IP address. If<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://allstarlink.org/">allstarlink.org</a>, as defined in iax.conf is a problem put in the IP address. I doubt it would change.<br><br>99% of Internet users use dhcp and the dns is assigned by the provider. In the case of Comcast or Verizon it goes to their dns and you router defers it there when you point it to the router address. I have used a lot of routers over the years and I never had a problem. There is really no reason to muck with the dns. In most all cases if the dns is not working then your connection is not working either. There are a lot of people out there that would highly benefit by upgrading their Internet routers but thats another story.<br id="FontBreak"></font><br><b><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;">73 Doug</font><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;"><br></font><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;">WA3DSP</font><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;"><br></font><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;"><a href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</a></font></b><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;"><br></font><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:petem001@hotmail.com">petem001@hotmail.com</a><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:asylthe@kc9ona.com">asylthe@kc9ona.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:doug@crompton.com">doug@crompton.com</a><br>CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Finding older version of ACID<br>Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 11:03:39 -0400<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;"><div>I always use the DNS provided to my router by my ISP first (could be 2 or 3) THEN I use the google DNS And at the end I use 2 of intenic. (Iknow it is not good practice for use to connect to Internic DNS server. but it is in case all the other fail.. Wich is highly improbable</div><div> </div><div>that way I know that no mather what I will recive an answer to any dns query , it could take time, but I will recieve it..</div><div> </div><div>Here is a good read on how DNS server works..</div><div> </div><div><a title="http://www.linuxsv.org/training/l19_linux_dns.html" href="http://www.linuxsv.org/training/l19_linux_dns.html" target="_blank">http://www.linuxsv.org/training/l19_linux_dns.html</a></div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div style="font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;"><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: tahoma;"><div> </div><div style="background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><div><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="asylthe@kc9ona.com" href="mailto:asylthe@kc9ona.com">Andrew Sylthe</a></div><div><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, May 05, 2014 10:41 AM</div><div><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="doug@crompton.com" href="mailto:doug@crompton.com">Doug Crompton</a></div><div><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [App_rpt-users] Finding older version of ACID</div></div></div><div> </div></div><div style="font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;"><div dir="ltr">I would be careful with setting your nameserver to the IP address of your router. Not all routers act as a DNS caching server.<div> </div><div>Google offers 2 public DNS servers that anyone can use: 8.8.8.8 & 8.8.4.4 (<a href="https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/" target="_blank">https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/</a>)</div><div> </div><div>My recommendation would be to use the Google Public DNS servers in your /etc/resolv.conf if you are unsure about your router acting as a DNS caching server.</div><div> </div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Doug Crompton<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:doug@crompton.com" target="_blank">doug@crompton.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Tahoma">The usual practice is to set your nameserver, /etc/resolv.conf to the lan address of your router which would be the same as your gateway address.<br></font><br><b><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;">73 Doug</font><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;"><br></font><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;">WA3DSP</font><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;"><br></font><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;"><a href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio" target="_blank">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</a></font></b><font size="4" style="font-size: 16pt;"><br></font><br><br><div><hr>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com" target="_blank">tim.sawyer@mac.com</a><br>Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 21:02:20 -0700<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com" target="_blank">kk6ecm@gmail.com</a><br>CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" target="_blank">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><div><div class="h5"><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Finding older version of ACID<br><br>Without DNS you can’t reach anything by host name. So you wouldn’t be able to ping<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://google.com/" target="_blank">google.com</a>, for example. On the other hand you should be able to ping your router, 192.168.1.1 for example, or anything else you know the IP address for.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><div><span style="font-family: verdana; font-variant: normal; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px;"><span style="font-family: verdana; font-variant: normal; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-collapse: separate; text-transform: none; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;">--<br>Tim<br>:wq</div></span></span></div><div> </div><div><div>On May 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Bob <<a href="mailto:kk6ecm@gmail.com" target="_blank">kk6ecm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote><div lang="EN-US" style="word-wrap: break-word; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-transform: none; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-family: helvetica; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px;"><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; color: navy;">Can the DNS make it appear to not even find the connection, as though the cable is not connected? The response I get (or lack of) looks like it would if the cable were not connected. Looks like I have a bunch of things to try.</span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; color: navy;"><br>Thanks all,</span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; color: navy;">Bob</span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; color: navy;">kk6ecm</span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial; color: navy;"></span></font> </div><div><div align="center" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: tahoma;"><span> </span>Tim Sawyer [<a href="mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com" target="_blank" style="text-decoration: underline; color: blue;">mailto:tim.sawyer@mac.com</a>]<span> </span><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span> </span>Sunday, May 04, 2014 8:25 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span> </span>Willem Schreuder<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b><span> </span>Bob;<span> </span><a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" target="_blank" style="text-decoration: underline; color: blue;">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span> </span>Re: [App_rpt-users] Finding older version of ACID</span></font></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I also use ‘setup’ to set a static IP address. But setup hammers /etc/resolv.conf so I just go edit i.e. manually. Should look like so for google dns, use others if you prefer:</span></font></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Monaco" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: monaco;">nameserver 8.8.8.8</span></font></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Monaco" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: monaco;">nameserver 8.8.4.4</span></font></div><div><span style="word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">--<br>Tim<br>:wq</span></font></div></div></span></span></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </div><div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On May 4, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Willem Schreuder <<a href="mailto:willem@prinmath.com" target="_blank" style="text-decoration: underline; color: blue;">willem@prinmath.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br><br></span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Sun, 4 May 2014, Bob wrote:<br><br><br></span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">After the ACID load is complete, using a DHCP router, I run "setup" from the<br>command prompt, and configure it manually, IP, netmask, gateway, and DSN.<br>When I do this on a WinXp machine in the TC/IP window, connects directly to<br>the public (static) IP just fine. When I do it on the Linux box with ACID,<br>eth0 can't find the connection.</span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>Bob, what you are doing seems correct. I tend to manually edit files, but there is nothing wrong doing it from 'setup'. Bottom line, there is nothing in ACID that prevents this from working. I think you probably just have some field wrong somewhere.<br><br>I would approach it bottom up - try pinging the from the AllStar computer to the gateway using IP addresses, then using a symbolic name to test NDS, and work your way up. I bet you will find some subtle misconfiguraton somewhere is causing the problem.<br><br>73 Willem<br><br>================================================================<br>Dr. Willem A. 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