<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3415">KD6GDB here,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3416"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3417" dir="ltr">I got 5 nodes on a single supermirco 1 RU server. 4 of them are currently GM300 motorola radios using the DMK-URI fob and one of them is to a Doug Hall RBI-1 kenwood remote base also using the DMK-URI fob. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3477" dir="ltr">I discovered the hard way that you need a PCI usb card (not a hub) that can support USB2.0 (default acid build not yet supporting usb3.0). Eveything starts and runs fine and can address each device for audio tuning but....</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3476" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3423" dir="ltr">as i have written about out here before i have a strange problem with intermitten transmitt (recieve on all radios is very relyable). At first i thought that it was a bandwidth limitation but the server is an eight core server with 24gig of ram and top shows that i am never using more than 0.50 percent of resources avalible. i am convinced that it is something in the configuration with the GM300 radios.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3419"><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3422"><div> </div><div><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3532"><br></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3421"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1421959597333_3420">Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Sub-chapter II, ß227,<br>"Any and all non-solicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of $500.00 U.S.". 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More than 4 nodes on a PC (Cole Cunningham)<br> 2. Re: More than 4 nodes on a PC (Keith Goobie)<br> 3. Re: More than 4 nodes on a PC (Cole Cunningham)<br> 4. Re: More than 4 nodes on a PC (Keith Goobie)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:30:34 -0700<br>From: "Cole Cunningham" <<a ymailto="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com" href="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com">colecaz@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>Subject: [App_rpt-users] More than 4 nodes on a PC<br>Message-ID: <020601d034df$2e8b8030$8ba28090$@com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>We're looking at app_rpt for sites with up to eight radios, all currently<br>controlled by a RLC-3. Our initial approach is to use a PC and try to run<br>all eight radios off of it. For testing we're using modified fobs running<br>on USB 2.0 ports and when we try to use more than four, things break up,<br>sound bad, etc. I've found that CentOS 5 that comes on the ACID disk<br>doesn't support USB 3.0, which we were thinking might offer more bandwidth<br>and handle the added fobs.<br><br> <br><br>Has anyone used this PC based approach for 4+ nodes using USB fobs? Or<br>could I get some suggestions as to how to approach the implementation of<br>eight nodes without using fobs or the discontinued 4 port PC card? <br><br> <br><br>Or is it a viable solution to use a BBB for every radio and connect them all<br>with Ethernet switches and treat each BBB like a separate server.<br><br> <br><br>Any ideas are appreciated<br><br> <br><br>Cole<br><br>AA7RD<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20150120/c9ee1709/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20150120/c9ee1709/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:46:54 -0500<br>From: Keith Goobie <<a ymailto="mailto:keith@goobie.org" href="mailto:keith@goobie.org">keith@goobie.org</a>><br>To: Cole Cunningham <<a ymailto="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com" href="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com">colecaz@gmail.com</a>>, <<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] More than 4 nodes on a PC<br>Message-ID: <D0E428EE.3E068%<a ymailto="mailto:keith@goobie.org" href="mailto:keith@goobie.org">keith@goobie.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>We have an asterisk node that runs three USB URI devices and it works well.<br>Getting there was an education. We found that we needed to spread out our<br>USB devices amongst as many Bus? as you can. Loading down a single bus will<br>create breaks in the sound. If you want things to work better add USB 2.0<br>sound cards to increase the USB bus count. Use the lsusb command to see how<br>things are placed. Below is our layout.<br><br>As you found out, ACID is based on Centos 5.x which does not work with USB<br>3.0. <br><br>We still use a blend of RLC-DSP404?s and Allstar. If you are making the<br>move to a PC-Linux solution, I suggest investment in SSD, UPS for AC, and a<br>remotely controlled AC/DC power switch to control the computer.<br><br>Thinking along the lines of your BBB solution, you could probably do things<br>with two PC-Linux servers.<br><br>Cheers<br>Keith VA3YC<br><br><br><br>[<a ymailto="mailto:root@allstar" href="mailto:root@allstar">root@allstar</a> ~]# lsusb<br>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000<br>Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc.<br>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc.<br>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000<br>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000<br>Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc.<br>Bus 003 Device 003: ID 04b3:4001 IBM Corp.<br><br>On 1/20/15 1:30 PM, "Cole Cunningham" <<a ymailto="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com" href="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com">colecaz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> We?re looking at app_rpt for sites with up to eight radios, all currently<br>> controlled by a RLC-3. Our initial approach is to use a PC and try to run all<br>> eight radios off of it. For testing we?re using modified fobs running on USB<br>> 2.0 ports and when we try to use more than four, things break up, sound bad,<br>> etc. I?ve found that CentOS 5 that comes on the ACID disk doesn?t support USB<br>> 3.0, which we were thinking might offer more bandwidth and handle the added<br>> fobs.<br>> <br>> Has anyone used this PC based approach for 4+ nodes using USB fobs? Or could<br>> I get some suggestions as to how to approach the implementation of eight nodes<br>> without using fobs or the discontinued 4 port PC card?<br>> <br>> Or is it a viable solution to use a BBB for every radio and connect them all<br>> with Ethernet switches and treat each BBB like a separate server.<br>> <br>> Any ideas are appreciated<br>> <br>> Cole<br>> AA7RD<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> App_rpt-users mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>> <a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a><br>> <br>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit<br>> <a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users </a>and scroll down to<br>> the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or<br>> edit options button"<br>> You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email<br>> confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the<br>> list detailing the problem.<br><br>-- <br><a ymailto="mailto:keith@goobie.org" href="mailto:keith@goobie.org">keith@goobie.org</a><br>Keith Goobie<br>Richmond Hill, ON, CANADA<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20150120/efa75d8a/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20150120/efa75d8a/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:04:22 -0700<br>From: "Cole Cunningham" <<a ymailto="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com" href="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com">colecaz@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "'Keith Goobie'" <<a ymailto="mailto:keith@goobie.org" href="mailto:keith@goobie.org">keith@goobie.org</a>>, <<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] More than 4 nodes on a PC<br>Message-ID: <023201d034f4$ab3e5d40$01bb17c0$@com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Keith,<br><br> <br><br>Your setup looks exactly like the test rig I am using except I have four of<br>the C-Media fobs. And yes, I discovered you need no more than two fobs per<br>USB bus. With two busses available in the PC that limits it to four fobs.<br>The goal is eight nodes per server.<br><br> <br><br>I've looked at USB 2.0 port cards and they seem to be going out of<br>production. That is a concern for long term availability because we will be<br>making the change over a period of several years. And a lot of them are PCI<br>interface instead of the current PCIe used in newer motherboards.<br><br> <br><br>We're hoping to make Asterisk Allstar the replacement for the RLC-3's.<br><br> <br><br>I wonder if anybody has gotten Asterisk/app_rpt running on a distro that<br>supports USB 3.0?<br><br> <br><br>Cole, AA7RD<br><br>Phoenix, AZ<br><br>www.w7ara.org<br><br> <br><br> <br><br>From: Keith Goobie [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:keith@goobie.org" href="mailto:keith@goobie.org">keith@goobie.org</a>] <br>Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:47 PM<br>To: Cole Cunningham; <a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] More than 4 nodes on a PC<br><br> <br><br>We have an asterisk node that runs three USB URI devices and it works well.<br>Getting there was an education. We found that we needed to spread out our<br>USB devices amongst as many Bus' as you can. Loading down a single bus will<br>create breaks in the sound. If you want things to work better add USB 2.0<br>sound cards to increase the USB bus count. Use the lsusb command to see how<br>things are placed. Below is our layout.<br><br>As you found out, ACID is based on Centos 5.x which does not work with USB<br>3.0. <br><br>We still use a blend of RLC-DSP404's and Allstar. If you are making the<br>move to a PC-Linux solution, I suggest investment in SSD, UPS for AC, and a<br>remotely controlled AC/DC power switch to control the computer. <br><br>Thinking along the lines of your BBB solution, you could probably do things<br>with two PC-Linux servers.<br><br>Cheers<br>Keith VA3YC<br><br><br><br>[<a ymailto="mailto:root@allstar" href="mailto:root@allstar">root@allstar</a> ~]# lsusb<br>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 <br>Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. <br>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. <br>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 <br>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 <br>Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc. <br>Bus 003 Device 003: ID 04b3:4001 IBM Corp. <br><br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20150120/411a5437/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20150120/411a5437/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:03:14 -0500<br>From: Keith Goobie <<a ymailto="mailto:keith@goobie.org" href="mailto:keith@goobie.org">keith@goobie.org</a>><br>To: Cole Cunningham <<a ymailto="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com" href="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com">colecaz@gmail.com</a>>, <<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] More than 4 nodes on a PC<br>Message-ID: <D0E43AD2.3E073%<a ymailto="mailto:keith@goobie.org" href="mailto:keith@goobie.org">keith@goobie.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>The xipar release supports centos 6.x which supports usb 3.0 ? there are<br>pros and cons to Xipar.<br><br>I understand that there are some people that have ACID running on centos 6.x<br>? I am awaiting input from a colleague.<br><br>I would go out and buy a bunch of usb 2.0 cards which add more buses.<br><br>Keith<br><br><br>On 1/20/15 4:04 PM, "Cole Cunningham" <<a ymailto="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com" href="mailto:colecaz@gmail.com">colecaz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Keith,<br>> <br>> Your setup looks exactly like the test rig I am using except I have four of<br>> the C-Media fobs. And yes, I discovered you need no more than two fobs per<br>> USB bus. With two busses available in the PC that limits it to four fobs.<br>> The goal is eight nodes per server.<br>> <br>> I?ve looked at USB 2.0 port cards and they seem to be going out of production.<br>> That is a concern for long term availability because we will be making the<br>> change over a period of several years. And a lot of them are PCI interface<br>> instead of the current PCIe used in newer motherboards.<br>> <br>> We?re hoping to make Asterisk Allstar the replacement for the RLC-3?s.<br>> <br>> I wonder if anybody has gotten Asterisk/app_rpt running on a distro that<br>> supports USB 3.0?<br>> <br>> Cole, AA7RD<br>> Phoenix, AZ<br>> www.w7ara.org <<a href="http://www.w7ara.org/" target="_blank">http://www.w7ara.org</a>><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> From: Keith Goobie [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:keith@goobie.org" href="mailto:keith@goobie.org">keith@goobie.org</a>]<br>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:47 PM<br>> To: Cole Cunningham; <a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] More than 4 nodes on a PC<br>> <br>> We have an asterisk node that runs three USB URI devices and it works well.<br>> Getting there was an education. We found that we needed to spread out our USB<br>> devices amongst as many Bus? as you can. Loading down a single bus will<br>> create breaks in the sound. If you want things to work better add USB 2.0<br>> sound cards to increase the USB bus count. Use the lsusb command to see how<br>> things are placed. Below is our layout.<br>> <br>> As you found out, ACID is based on Centos 5.x which does not work with USB<br>> 3.0. <br>> <br>> We still use a blend of RLC-DSP404?s and Allstar. If you are making the move<br>> to a PC-Linux solution, I suggest investment in SSD, UPS for AC, and a<br>> remotely controlled AC/DC power switch to control the computer.<br>> <br>> Thinking along the lines of your BBB solution, you could probably do things<br>> with two PC-Linux servers.<br>> <br>> Cheers<br>> Keith VA3YC<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> [<a ymailto="mailto:root@allstar" href="mailto:root@allstar">root@allstar</a> ~]# lsusb<br>> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000<br>> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc.<br>> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc.<br>> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000<br>> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000<br>> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0d8c:013a C-Media Electronics, Inc.<br>> Bus 003 Device 003: ID 04b3:4001 IBM Corp.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br><br>-- <br><a ymailto="mailto:keith@goobie.org" href="mailto:keith@goobie.org">keith@goobie.org</a><br>Keith Goobie<br>Richmond Hill, ON, CANADA<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20150120/79c985cd/attachment.html" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20150120/79c985cd/attachment.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>App_rpt-users mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br><a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a><br><br><br>End of App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 71, Issue 38<br>*********************************************<br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>