<p dir="ltr">I kinda get what your saying Doug. However Kevin had a mood point, pick your wording a little more to your point. Do not connect an individual user node to WIN and WAN at the same time for multiple reasons. First is WIN and WAN have a verbal agreement to not connect the 2 system together unless done so by a COP for emergency reasons. <br>
Secondly most residential nodes bandwidth will not handle the amount of traffic. And last but not least the key part is educate your users. Post it on your website your do and don'ts. <br>
WAN is and always will be an open system. We have helped a lot of people inside and outside the country setting up there nodes. All-star I'm my opinion is the best thing since sliced bread. When I first got into all-star it would allow IRLP along with echolink. That is not the case anymore. However I know there are nodes out there that can do those and more connections, although frowned upon. I always thought of the HAM community as friendly and helpful, but with strings like this happening not much help. I hope we can all get past this horrible use of adjectives and get back to the goal at hand. BETTERING THE AMATEUR WORLD.<br>
Everyone have a WAN-tastic day. And stay warm. -10 in north west PA this morning. </p>
<p dir="ltr">AB3AA<br>
WANRS TECH SUPPORT</p>
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:00:15 -0500<br>
From: Kevin Custer <<a href="mailto:kuggie@kuggie.com">kuggie@kuggie.com</a>><br>
To: Doug Crompton <<a href="mailto:doug@crompton.com">doug@crompton.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>"<br>
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On 2/14/2015 3:37 AM, Doug Crompton wrote:<br>
> Here's the problem. You don't comprehend what I write and you have a<br>
> hard-on for whatever I say.<br>
<br>
> Some people like pileups, the WAN system is an example. For day to day<br>
> use I am not sure what "wide area" buys you.<br>
> Educate you users to NOT connect the local hub to the WAN system or<br>
> any other large network.<br>
> Kevin, Don't be so defensive! I did not say there was a problem with<br>
> the WAN,<br>
> Just don't pollute the quieter smaller hubs with that.<br>
> You are a fool and you just like to argue with me. Others understand<br>
> what I am saying, obviously you don't!<br>
<br>
It's coming through loud and clear. I comprehend everything you say. I<br>
understand you don't like my system. You think I shouldn't defend<br>
myself or my network after you go off jamming your opinions down<br>
everyone's throat. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't make it bad<br>
or wrong. This is no different than your view of the Raspberry PI. If<br>
a solution doesn't come from you - it's no good.<br>
<br>
Here's a clue. Go back to your simplex world and leave us alone. I<br>
could care less if you like the WAN system, but next time be smart<br>
enough to keep your opinions to yourself. And if you do make a sideways<br>
comments about another network, be ready, because most of us won't be<br>
pushed around by you and your spineless - thoughtless outbursts.<br>
<br>
Kevin Custer<br>
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My repeater node continuously keys up for a second when my repeater node is linked to my hub node. When the repeater is in a stand alone condition (when its not linked to my hub node) it operates normally.<br>
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Both nodes are connected locally (on the same network, behind the same firewall) but not on the same computer. I have set up some different settings on the radios that make up the repeater (its a maxtrac repeater). Any ideas where I might look? Has anyone else had this issue before?<br>
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Thank you,<br>
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David<br>
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David Dean, K0PWO<br>
Arapahoe County Colorado<br>
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:14:55 -0500<br>
From: Steve Zingman <<a href="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com">szingman@msgstor.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Online Archive<br>
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Is it me, or is the archive at <a href="http://ohnosec.org" target="_blank">ohnosec.org</a> not updating?<br>
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73, Steve N4IRS<br>
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> Message: 1<br>
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:53:22 -0500<br>
> From: Kevin Custer <<a href="mailto:kuggie@kuggie.com">kuggie@kuggie.com</a>><br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff<br>
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> On 2/13/2015 9:35 PM, Doug Crompton wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Kevin, Don't be so defensive! I did not say there was a problem with<br>
>> the WAN....<br>
>><br>
>> If you like massive connections they are out there for you. Just don't<br>
>> pollute.....<br>
><br>
><br>
> You must think I'm some kind of fool. In one breath you say there is<br>
> nothing wrong, but in another you refer to the traffic on larger systems<br>
> as pollution.<br>
><br>
> I own (or co own) more than half of the core connections that make up<br>
> WAN. If I choose to connect them all together (like I have with WAN) it<br>
> can't help but to be massive. I can't help that many others choose to<br>
> connect to their systems to it. After all it is (or is supposed to be)<br>
> an open system.<br>
><br>
> I don't make snide comments about your simplex group, and I'll trust<br>
> that you'll not make any more comments about mine.<br>
><br>
> Kevin - W3KKC<br>
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> You are a fool and you just like to argue with me. Others understand what I am saying, obviously you don't!<br>
> 73 Doug<br>
> WA3DSP<br>
> <a href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio" target="_blank">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</a><br>
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> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:53:22 -0500<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:kuggie@kuggie.com">kuggie@kuggie.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>
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><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2/13/2015 9:35 PM, Doug Crompton<br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Kevin, Don't be so<br>
> defensive! I did not say there was a problem with the WAN....<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> If you like<br>
> massive connections they are out there for you. Just don't<br>
> pollute.....<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> You must think I'm some kind of fool. In one breath you say there<br>
> is nothing wrong, but in another you refer to the traffic on larger<br>
> systems as pollution.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I own (or co own) more than half of the core connections that make<br>
> up WAN. If I choose to connect them all together (like I have with<br>
> WAN) it can't help but to be massive. I can't help that many others<br>
> choose to connect to their systems to it. After all it is (or is<br>
> supposed to be) an open system.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I don't make snide comments about your simplex group, and I'll trust<br>
> that you'll not make any more comments about mine.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Kevin - W3KKC<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> To: "<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>
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> On 2/14/2015 2:20 AM, Doug Crompton wrote:<br>
>> You are a fool and you just like to argue with me.<br>
><br>
> I used to argue with you because I care about the quality of information<br>
> surrounding this technology. I have found that trying to educate you is<br>
> a fruitless endeavor. I concede.<br>
><br>
>> Others understand what I am saying, obviously you don't!<br>
><br>
> I'm not putting words in your mouth Doug - you're the one flapping you<br>
> gums. You already run me off of your list - are you going to try to do<br>
> the same here?<br>
><br>
> Kevin - W3KKC<br>
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> To: "<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>
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> Here's the problem. You don't comprehend what I write and you have a hard-on for whatever I say. If you go back and look at the thread others said somewhat detrimental things about your precious WAN, I did not. All I said, and you should go back and read it carefully, was that we had trouble with people contecting our local hub to the WAN which was not desireable. I never said anything else. Then you start babbling about me taking you for a fool. What the heck is that about. I won't comment on this anymore. It is a waste of my time!!<br>
> 73 Doug<br>
> WA3DSP<br>
> <a href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio" target="_blank">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 02:51:55 -0500<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:kuggie@kuggie.com">kuggie@kuggie.com</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Wide area traffic tradeoff<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2/14/2015 2:20 AM, Doug Crompton<br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> You are a fool and you just like to<br>
> argue with me.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I used to argue with you because I care about the quality of<br>
> information surrounding this technology. I have found that trying<br>
> to educate you is a fruitless endeavor. I concede.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Others understand what I am saying,<br>
> obviously you don't!<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I'm not putting words in your mouth Doug - you're the one flapping<br>
> you gums. You already run me off of your list - are you going to<br>
> try to do the same here?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Kevin - W3KKC<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> To: Doug Crompton <<a href="mailto:doug@crompton.com">doug@crompton.com</a>><br>
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> Any chance you guys could take this off list so I don't have to bulk delete so many messages?<br>
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> tnx<br>
> Mike / W5JR<br>
> Alpharetta GA<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:15:13 -0600<br>
From: Steve Agee <<a href="mailto:n5zua@earthlink.net">n5zua@earthlink.net</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Bizarre Issue<br>
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Having worked with app_rpt for the past five years, I've run across most<br>
of the common issues that everyone else has. But every once in a while,<br>
I run across one that is so bizarre, I feel compelled to post it, so<br>
others might know about it. Such was the case yesterday.<br>
<br>
I have a site with a cabinet with three repeaters in it. The two meter<br>
repeater was installed last as an app_rpt repeater from the beginning,<br>
and has never had any issues. The other two are 70 centimeter GE EXEC II<br>
mobiles, full duplexed, connected to an RLC-4 controller, with the other<br>
two ports being wire line interfaces. Since the wire line has been<br>
having intermittent issues lately, I wanted to move the two GE radios to<br>
URIs. I built two conversion cables, with a female DB-9 on one end (to<br>
accept DB-9 male from radio to RLC controller), and a male DB-25 on the<br>
other (to connect to the URI). This leaves the flexibility of going back<br>
to the RLC-4, without rewiring everything. So, I get to the site and<br>
plug everything in and I'm ready to set levels. But wait, whats this<br>
gawd awful loud crackling noise on the transmit audio of both GE radios?<br>
Is it present on the discriminator line of the receiver? No. Is it there<br>
when the DB-9 from the radio is unplugged from the DB-9 coming from the<br>
URI? No. Now things are getting narrowed down. How about swapping URIs<br>
since there are three in the cabinet? No difference. What about swapping<br>
USB cables? No change. But wait, plug the two meter repeater in to one<br>
of the two new URIs, and it now has crackle. What!? It turns out the USB<br>
hub on the computer motherboard is oscillating! This box had 3 hubs.<br>
Moving both of the GE radios to a new hub solved the issue. I have never<br>
run across this issue before, on the twenty-something number of boxes<br>
that I have either built myself, or helped others build. I may never run<br>
across it again either, but if I do, now I'll know where to look. By the<br>
way, that noisy hub ... it works fine. I plugged the keyboard in to it<br>
and used it without any issue whatsoever.<br>
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Many thanks to KE5PTZ for tirelessly tracking this issue down, and<br>
putting up with me pulling my hair out for hours on end while doing so!<br>
<br>
N5ZUA<br>
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