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is this now a Dstar list, if so stop the world and let me off.. I
thought this was an allstar last.. Fred<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/24/15 4:11 PM, Jon Rorke wrote:<br>
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Looks like it might work.<br>
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Didnt see any audio specs but it hints it has discriminator and
direct mod.<br>
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RQ<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Will this radio work for Dstar I have this
chinese data radio:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 12:48 PM,
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>So what you are saying is that freestar only allows
the DSTAR network if you are coming in from a digital
modulation, if the switch is flipped to analog, it
disables the network?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at
12:26 PM, Ken <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">You
can transmit GMSK containing the DSTAR
encoding with a cheap sound card. The
hard part is finding a radio that passes
1 Hz to about 6 kHz with a fairly flat
passband.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
freestar folks have a way to toggle
operation between analog and digital, if
you want (see VA3UV web pages). </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
“Network” activity is managed by
separate linking programs that talk to
the repeater software module. If you
were in analog mode, the linking
programs would not get any data and they
would not do anything on the network
that linked the DSTAR machine to a
reflector or other repeater.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So:
yes.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Ken</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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Skyler Fennell [mailto:<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24,
2015 1:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ken <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users]
AllStar Node / repeater radios</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I should probably
move this to a DSTAR/free star group
but here is my last question:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If I want a radio
to transmit digital, I can use
software with a cheap sound card.
Correct?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there any way
to use a sound card to transmit
analog audio while still connected
to the DSTAR network?</p>
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On Sep 24, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Ken
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This
should be on the freestar
reflector I think (re:
“dstarrepeaterd” program – the
“sound card” DSTAR modem)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
found that the low-pass
filtering in the URI limits the
frequency response so that it
does not reproduce the baseband
signal with enough fidelity to
work on DSTAR GMSK. The result
is a lot of errors on the DSTAR
side. As posted many times on
the other reflector, the
absolute cheapest sound fob with
no filtering seems to work best
(but make sure your transmitter
has at least some filtering).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Having
said that, as an experiment, I
changed the relevant
surface-mount capacitors in one
channel, of one of my URIs, and
it worked fine on DSTAR.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Regards</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Ken</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">KE2N</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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Skyler F [<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September
24, 2015 10:17 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[App_rpt-users] AllStar Node /
repeater radios</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it
possible to use a URIx for
freestar yet or do you still
need a hardware board for the
digital stuff? I know they were
working on something for
software.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep
24, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Steve
Zingman <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Digital
needs unfiltered receiver
and transmitter audio.
I've done it with D-STAR
and DMR. I have only setup
a SM-50 as a user radio.<span
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<span>Steve</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
9/24/2015 10:05 AM,
Skyler F wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well
my personal
experience with a
baofeng node is
really good audio
reports, and
sometimes better
than my motorola
SM-50
discriminator
audio. I just use
the internal tone
decoder in those
baofeng radios for
COR. </p>
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they not be
suitable for
DSTAR though?</p>
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Thu, Sep 24,
2015 at 7:41 AM,
Steve Zingman
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On 9/24/2015
9:30 AM,
Skyler Fennell
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Can I have an explanation of why
discriminator
is needed for
anything but
actual digital
modulation
like 9600
baud?<br>
<br>
To prevent PL
tones?<br>
Nope, when
plugging in
good headsets
I can hear the
CTCSS tone
from the
repeater and
even on the
baofeng.<br>
<br>
Lack of high
frequency
noise?<br>
Put a high
pass filter<br>
<br>
Someone please
explain why
discrim is
needed. Good
audio is good
audio and
can't it be
manipulated to
fit the needs
of the
application?</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Maybe
I don't want
other filters
inline, I want
total control
of the receive
audio.
de-emphases
CTCSS
filtering etc.
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<p
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If worried about audio levels, put an AlC
which
automatically
feeds the
system
(weather
Allstar or
free star)
with the
perfect level
independent of
the level of
the user.<br>
<br>
Please note
I'm only
talking
analog.<br>
<br>
73<br>
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Sep 24, 2015,
at 7:15 AM,
Steve Zingman
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Being a DSP
based radio,
the BF888 is a
cheap low
power analog
only RF
package. Given
the lack of
discriminator
and modulator
access it is
limited.<br>
<br>
For a receiver
the Maxtrac /
Radius / GM300
work well. For
a transmitter
not so much.
Heat output
and with the
Maxtrac,
problems with
power and
deviation
control out of
band can cause
problems
without custom
firmware or
hardware
hacks.<br>
<br>
My absolute
favorite RF
gear for
Analog /
Digital
repeaters is
Tait. The T800
series is a
purpose built
programmable
Exciter /
Receiver
package. With
access to all
the signals
anyone would
want. I
started using
them for 927
MHz repeaters
and have had
great
performance on
UHF and VHF.
Mix and match
at will. Pair
a VHF receiver
with a UHF or
900 MHz
transmitter
for a nice RF
linked
receiver site.
For link
radios simplex
nodes and "Hot
Spots" I've
come to favor
the Tait T2000
mobiles. They
are easy to
program, well
documented,
lots of IO and
run cool in
transmit.<br>
<br>
The above is
not to say
there are not
a LOT of great
repeater /
node packages
out there. The
GE MASTR II
comes to mind.
I have to
mention the
Micor to keep
the flack
down. ;) I've
built
repeaters
using
everything
from a
Motorola 30D
to current
equipment.<br>
<br>
Your mileage
may vary.<br>
<br>
73, Steve
N4IRS<br>
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