<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>These political debates dont seem to even go anywhere and just drag on... How about we go on to the next subject?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 9, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Loren Tedford <<a href="mailto:lorentedford@gmail.com">lorentedford@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">I hate to say it but I thought this was suppose to be Amateur Radio.. So after googling for a wiki on Amateur Radio I found this..<div><a href="goog_1659635294"><br></a></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Definition of Amateur Radio is??</div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:22.4px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><b>Amateur radio</b> (also called <b>ham radio</b>) describes the use of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency" title="Radio frequency" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">radio frequency</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum" title="Radio spectrum" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">spectra</a> for purposes of<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commercial" title="Non-commercial" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">non-commercial</a> exchange of messages, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless" title="Wireless" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">wireless</a> experimentation, self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary interest;"<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="" style="line-height:1;font-size:11.2px"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-1" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);white-space:nowrap;background:none">[1]</a></sup> (either direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_broadcasting" title="Commercial broadcasting" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">commercial broadcasting</a>, public safety (such as police and fire), or professional <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-way_radio" title="Two-way radio" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">two-way radio</a> services (such as maritime, aviation, taxis, etc.).</p><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:22.4px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">The amateur radio service (<i>amateur service</i> and <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur-satellite_service" title="Amateur-satellite service" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">amateur-satellite service</a></i>) is established by the<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Telecommunication_Union" title="International Telecommunication Union" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">International Telecommunication Union</a> (ITU) through the International Telecommunication Regulations. National governments regulate technical and operational characteristics of transmissions and issue individual stations licenses with an identifying <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_sign" title="Call sign" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">call sign</a>. Prospective <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_operator" title="Amateur radio operator" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">amateur operators</a> are tested for their understanding of key concepts in electronics and the host government's radio regulations. Radio amateurs use a variety of voice, text, image, and data communications modes and have access to frequency allocations throughout the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF_spectrum" title="RF spectrum" class="" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">RF spectrum</a> to enable communication across a city, region, country, continent, the world, or even into space.</p><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:22.4px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Amateur radio is officially represented and coordinated by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Amateur_Radio_Union" title="International Amateur Radio Union" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">International Amateur Radio Union</a> (IARU), which is organized in three regions and has as its members the national amateur radio societies which exist in most countries. According to an estimate made in 2011 by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Radio_Relay_League" title="American Radio Relay League" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">American Radio Relay League</a>, two million people throughout the world are regularly involved with amateur radio.<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="" style="line-height:1;font-size:11.2px"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-2" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);white-space:nowrap;background:none">[2]</a></sup> About 830,000<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_station" title="Amateur radio station" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">amateur radio stations</a> are located in IARU Region 2 (the Americas) followed by IARU Region 3 (South and East Asia and the Pacific Ocean) with about 750,000 stations. A significantly smaller number, about 400,000, are located in IARU Region 1 (Europe, Middle East, CIS, Africa).</p><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:22.4px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></p><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:22.4px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></p><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:22.4px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">So.. My thought is in the first couple of lines.. </p><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:22.4px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><b style="line-height:22.4px">Amateur radio</b><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">(also called</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><b style="line-height:22.4px">ham radio</b><span style="line-height:22.4px">) describes the use of</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency" title="Radio frequency" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);line-height:22.4px;text-decoration:none;background:none">radio frequency</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum" title="Radio spectrum" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);line-height:22.4px;text-decoration:none;background:none">spectra</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">for purposes of</span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commercial" title="Non-commercial" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);line-height:22.4px;text-decoration:none;background:none">non-commercial</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">exchange of messages,</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless" title="Wireless" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);line-height:22.4px;text-decoration:none;background:none">wireless</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">experimentation, self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary interest;"</span><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="" style="line-height:1;font-size:11.2px"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-1" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration:none;white-space:nowrap;background:none">[1]</a></sup><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">(either direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_broadcasting" title="Commercial broadcasting" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);line-height:22.4px;text-decoration:none;background:none">commercial broadcasting</a><span style="line-height:22.4px">, public safety (such as police and fire), or professional</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-way_radio" title="Two-way radio" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);line-height:22.4px;text-decoration:none;background:none">two-way radio</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">services (such as maritime, aviation, taxis, etc.).</span><br></p><p style="margin:0.5em 0px;line-height:22.4px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></p></div><div><br></div><div>So I suppose if we were just to enjoy the hobby by figuring out different methods to communicate with different systems by definition that should be allowed i my opinion..</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) <br>Email: <a href="mailto:lorentedford@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">lorentedford@gmail.com</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Main Line:1-631-686-8878 Option 1 for Loren.</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Fax Line 1:1-618-551-2755</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><a href="http://www.lorentedford.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://www.lorentedford.com</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><a href="http://www.kc9zhv.com" target="_blank">http://www.kc9zhv.com</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><a href="http://forum.kc9zhv.com" target="_blank">http://forum.kc9zhv.com</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><a href="http://hub.kc9zhv.com" target="_blank">http://hub.kc9zhv.com</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><a href="http://www.newwavesucks.com" target="_blank">http://www.newwavesucks.com</a></span><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><a href="http://forum.newwavesucks.com" target="_blank">http://forum.newwavesucks.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mark Guibord <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark@micro-node.com" target="_blank">mark@micro-node.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">We'll have to wait and see how they react when it becomes widespread, my point was it's their network and I respect that.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Steve Zingman [mailto:<a href="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com" target="_blank">szingman@msgstor.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Guibord<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" target="_blank">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>; Kirk Just Kirk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users] DIAL and IRLP<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p>Not sure that will last. The case can be made for the fact it's their network to govern as they see fit.<br>My DMR repeaters have DMR-MARC, DCI and BrandMeister all available to my users.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Sent via smoke signal (Verizon)<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 9, 2016 2:41 PM, Mark Guibord <<a href="mailto:mark@micro-node.com" target="_blank">mark@micro-node.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>And the reasoning behind D-Marc restricting DMR+ / Brandmeister traffic on there network is???<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jan 9, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Kirk Just Kirk <<a href="mailto:wb6egr@gmail.com" target="_blank">wb6egr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes Steve thats true, and we don't have to rely on IRLP to link sites anymore.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">We can have high performance, and agility or sit on the side of the road with a blown headgasket...we have a choice.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Guess which is which :)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Steve Zingman <<a href="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com" target="_blank">szingman@msgstor.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">It's their infrastructure. Their key exchange. Their reflectors. It is their network.<br><br>On 01/09/2016 01:05 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">On 1/9/16 12:59 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Kirk is correct. IRLP on AllStar is no longer supported. It can be done,<br>but it's NOT supported. It's their network, if they don't want our<br>traffic, respect that.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">But the thing is, it's not their network. 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