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<p>Good idea. One thing we really don't need is a bunch of "mass debating".<br>
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<div>These political debates dont seem to even go anywhere and just drag on... How about we go on to the next subject?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I hate to say it but I thought this was suppose to be Amateur Radio.. So after googling for a wiki on Amateur Radio I found this..
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<div>Definition of Amateur Radio is??</div>
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<b>Amateur radio</b> (also called <b>ham radio</b>) describes the use of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency" title="Radio frequency" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">radio frequency</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum" title="Radio spectrum" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">spectra</a> for
purposes of<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commercial" title="Non-commercial" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">non-commercial</a> exchange of messages, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless" title="Wireless" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">wireless</a> experimentation,
self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary interest;"<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="" style="line-height:1; font-size:11.2px"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-1" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); white-space:nowrap; background:none">[1]</a></sup> (either
direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_broadcasting" title="Commercial broadcasting" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">commercial broadcasting</a>,
public safety (such as police and fire), or professional <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-way_radio" title="Two-way radio" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">two-way radio</a> services (such as maritime, aviation,
taxis, etc.).</p>
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The amateur radio service (<i>amateur service</i> and <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur-satellite_service" title="Amateur-satellite service" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">amateur-satellite service</a></i>)
is established by the<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Telecommunication_Union" title="International Telecommunication Union" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">International Telecommunication Union</a> (ITU)
through the International Telecommunication Regulations. National governments regulate technical and operational characteristics of transmissions and issue individual stations licenses with an identifying <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_sign" title="Call sign" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">call
sign</a>. Prospective <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_operator" title="Amateur radio operator" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">amateur operators</a> are tested for their understanding of key concepts
in electronics and the host government's radio regulations. Radio amateurs use a variety of voice, text, image, and data communications modes and have access to frequency allocations throughout the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RF_spectrum" title="RF spectrum" class="" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">RF
spectrum</a> to enable communication across a city, region, country, continent, the world, or even into space.</p>
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Amateur radio is officially represented and coordinated by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Amateur_Radio_Union" title="International Amateur Radio Union" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">International
Amateur Radio Union</a> (IARU), which is organized in three regions and has as its members the national amateur radio societies which exist in most countries. According to an estimate made in 2011 by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Radio_Relay_League" title="American Radio Relay League" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">American
Radio Relay League</a>, two million people throughout the world are regularly involved with amateur radio.<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="" style="line-height:1; font-size:11.2px"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-2" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); white-space:nowrap; background:none">[2]</a></sup> About
830,000<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_station" title="Amateur radio station" style="text-decoration:none; color:rgb(11,0,128); background:none">amateur radio stations</a> are located in IARU Region 2 (the Americas) followed by IARU Region
3 (South and East Asia and the Pacific Ocean) with about 750,000 stations. A significantly smaller number, about 400,000, are located in IARU Region 1 (Europe, Middle East, CIS, Africa).</p>
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So.. My thought is in the first couple of lines.. </p>
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<b style="line-height:22.4px">Amateur radio</b><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">(also called</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><b style="line-height:22.4px">ham radio</b><span style="line-height:22.4px">)
describes the use of</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency" title="Radio frequency" style="color:rgb(11,0,128); line-height:22.4px; text-decoration:none; background:none">radio frequency</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum" title="Radio spectrum" style="color:rgb(11,0,128); line-height:22.4px; text-decoration:none; background:none">spectra</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">for
purposes of</span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-commercial" title="Non-commercial" style="color:rgb(11,0,128); line-height:22.4px; text-decoration:none; background:none">non-commercial</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">exchange
of messages,</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless" title="Wireless" style="color:rgb(11,0,128); line-height:22.4px; text-decoration:none; background:none">wireless</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">experimentation,
self-training, private recreation and emergency communication. The term "amateur" is used to specify "a duly authorised person interested in radioelectric practice with a purely personal aim and without pecuniary interest;"</span><sup id="cite_ref-1" class="" style="line-height:1; font-size:11.2px"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio#cite_note-1" style="color:rgb(11,0,128); text-decoration:none; white-space:nowrap; background:none">[1]</a></sup><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">(either
direct monetary or other similar reward) and to differentiate it from</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_broadcasting" title="Commercial broadcasting" style="color:rgb(11,0,128); line-height:22.4px; text-decoration:none; background:none">commercial
broadcasting</a><span style="line-height:22.4px">, public safety (such as police and fire), or professional</span><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-way_radio" title="Two-way radio" style="color:rgb(11,0,128); line-height:22.4px; text-decoration:none; background:none">two-way
radio</a><span style="line-height:22.4px"> </span><span style="line-height:22.4px">services (such as maritime, aviation, taxis, etc.).</span><br>
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<div>So I suppose if we were just to enjoy the hobby by figuring out different methods to communicate with different systems by definition that should be allowed i my opinion..</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#1f497d">We'll have to wait and see how they react when it becomes widespread, my point was it's their network and I respect that.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:19 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" target="_blank">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>; Kirk Just Kirk<br>
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<p>Not sure that will last. The case can be made for the fact it's their network to govern as they see fit.<br>
My DMR repeaters have DMR-MARC, DCI and BrandMeister all available to my users.<u></u><u></u></p>
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And the reasoning behind D-Marc restricting DMR+ / Brandmeister traffic on there network is???<u></u><u></u></p>
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On Jan 9, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Kirk Just Kirk <<a href="mailto:wb6egr@gmail.com" target="_blank">wb6egr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kirk is correct. IRLP on AllStar is no longer supported. It can be done,<br>
but it's NOT supported. It's their network, if they don't want our<br>
traffic, respect that.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">But the thing is, it's not their network. It's all individual repeaters, and<br>
the traffic is peer to peer, it's not transverseing IRLP servers.<br>
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If some one wants to restrict a given node from connecting to their node, I<br>
don't take issue with that, but I'll be damned if some one else is going to<br>
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