<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332">Thanks Kevin, more positive from you!</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr">Others: "billable time" - seriously? that's a play I work on consumer vendors for spite. </div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr">If you back-bill your hobby and intellectual time on self-assigned-worth values... in THIS context. Thanks for your call, we'll get back to you, never.</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr">We're talking about $3-12 free-market parts and 20 minutes of gawd-awful soldering level of effort here. Sheesh.</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr">I am just curious about and enabling least-common-denominator implementation and idea sharing as supplies morph and shift. If I wanted $450/hr engineering... well, a lot of folks would starve. Campbells or Progressive cans? When I make all this work, the for-self-assigned-value folks self-obligated to a sub-contracted fee of $375 per implementation, non-commercial... I want to be fair and allow you something for your list trolling and link-clicking efforts. </div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr">(I am familiar with intellectual property, fair-use and public domain issues... you admitted to be exempt and obligated otherwise! pffft.)</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_25332" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_26388" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_26387"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_26386"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_26385"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_26384"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_26383"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:51 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_26389"><br>Send App_rpt-users mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_26390">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1458002940043_26391">app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users-owner@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users-owner@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users-owner@ohnosec.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of App_rpt-users digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. USB Sound Dongle Challenges (Jim Aspinwall)<br> 2. New Dongle Potential (Jim Aspinwall)<br> 3. Re: New Dongle Potential (Kevin Custer)<br> 4. Re: New Dongle Potential (Bryan D. Boyle)<br> 5. Re: New Dongle Potential (Steve Zingman)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:05:54 +0000 (UTC)<br>From: Jim Aspinwall <<a ymailto="mailto:no1pc@yahoo.com" href="mailto:no1pc@yahoo.com">no1pc@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: "<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Sound Dongle Challenges<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:504928773.650221.1458079554502.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com" href="mailto:504928773.650221.1458079554502.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com">504928773.650221.1458079554502.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br><br>The original CM-108/-109-based products a few have documented mods for are evaporating from common availability.?<br>A few of us have ordered or tried to order from "known good links" (circa 2014/2015) off Amazon or eBay only to encounter dead/expired/no-longer-available links or "byte the bullet" and opt for a 108/109-claiming look-alike and come up with yet another version of unusable product.<br>If we can determine the same/similar/equivalent pinout locations between the 108, 109, 119 or whatever different chips we might be able to revise some of the mod docs for alternatives.<br>However, the latest small batch I acquired came with not pin-exposed chip-on-board (for which there could be more hope) but connection flooded die-on-board implementations and drastically differently layout, no direct access to pins without risking the chip trying to 'uncap' it.<br>Two recent acquisitions pictured:<br><a href="http://www.no1pc.org/radio/NewerChip.jpg?-" target="_blank">http://www.no1pc.org/radio/NewerChip.jpg?- </a>CM119 chip - one such device has already been proven to work with IRLP and Asterisk via Pi - but I'd like to do the PTT/COS tap-offs.<br><br><a href="http://www.no1pc.org/radio/DieOnBoard2.jpg?-" target="_blank">http://www.no1pc.org/radio/DieOnBoard2.jpg?- </a>not yet sure of the chip, but pinouts are obviously a challenge.<br><br>I can try to poke about and see if the exposed-pin CM119 is viable, if someone familiar with the chips or their layout can advice. ?The die-version - good luck?<br>Ideas? ?Existing updates?<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20160315/36332e55/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20160315/36332e55/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 23:20:39 +0000 (UTC)<br>From: Jim Aspinwall <<a ymailto="mailto:no1pc@yahoo.com" href="mailto:no1pc@yahoo.com">no1pc@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: "<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>Subject: [App_rpt-users] New Dongle Potential<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:337264884.728852.1458084039564.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com" href="mailto:337264884.728852.1458084039564.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com">337264884.728852.1458084039564.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br><br>Perhaps at least half-answering my previous query...<br>This is what I recently bought - the die-on-board version:<a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/221670209239?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.com/itm/221670209239?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT</a><br><br>Anticipating this interface scheme will work:<a href="http://www.crompton.com/hamradio/usb_fob_modification/usbfob_interface.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.crompton.com/hamradio/usb_fob_modification/usbfob_interface.pdf</a><br><br>we may be able to extrapolate some updates... I did verify the pinout of the 108 and 119 chips are the same.<br>Internally:<a href="http://www.no1pc.org/radio/TopAccess.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.no1pc.org/radio/TopAccess.jpg</a><br><br>Regardless of direct/specific pin access, if the controls/indicators are assumed the same, access to the associated signals should be available at the respective (VolUp, VolDn) switches and Red LED. ?<br>The audio jacks are through-hole mount. ?Potentially removable and place DC blocking/coupling caps in the dongle, as well as the PTT output buffer, and perhaps any buffer for the active-low CTCSS and COS inputs.<br>To make a little more space and not chance an erroneous, unnecessary button press, clip the actuator posts and glue the button tops in place.<br>Button posts:<a href="http://www.no1pc.org/radio/ButtonTop.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.no1pc.org/radio/ButtonTop.jpg</a><br><br><br>It may be a few days before I can get to the necessary 'surgery', create a new node and test, but this looks to have potential.<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20160315/51043de1/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20160315/51043de1/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 19:43:07 -0400<br>From: Kevin Custer <<a ymailto="mailto:kuggie@kuggie.com" href="mailto:kuggie@kuggie.com">kuggie@kuggie.com</a>><br>To: "<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] New Dongle Potential<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:56E89E0B.50208@kuggie.com" href="mailto:56E89E0B.50208@kuggie.com">56E89E0B.50208@kuggie.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br><br><br>On 3/15/2016 7:20 PM, Jim Aspinwall wrote:<br>><br>> Perhaps at least half-answering my previous query...<br><br>At some point it might be difficult at best to come up with a reliable <br>source of non-potted USB dongles. Maybe that time is upon us? With <br>that in mind, I come up with this:<br><a href="http://www.masterscommunications.com/products/radio-adapter/ra35.html" target="_blank">http://www.masterscommunications.com/products/radio-adapter/ra35.html</a><br><br>Now - this device is currently in beta testing and won't be available to <br>the public for about a month, maybe less. I received a shipment of <br>genuine C-Media CM119A chips today. Circuit boards will be produced <br>after reviewing all of the feedback from the owners of the 10 units <br>currently in the field.<br><br>No - it's not a $2.00 FOB, but what's your time and money worth to buy <br>products that are potted and unusable? Maybe the features of such a <br>device like the RA-35 makes it worthy of the asking price? I'll let that <br>up to you to decide. I am assembling a list of those interested. Email <br>direct.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Kevin<br><br>kevin // at // masterscommunications // dot // com<br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20160315/8fa8bab7/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/pipermail/app_rpt-users/attachments/20160315/8fa8bab7/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 21:24:48 -0400<br>From: "Bryan D. Boyle" <<a ymailto="mailto:bdboyle@bdboyle.com" href="mailto:bdboyle@bdboyle.com">bdboyle@bdboyle.com</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] New Dongle Potential<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:56E8B5E0.7050102@bdboyle.com" href="mailto:56E8B5E0.7050102@bdboyle.com">56E8B5E0.7050102@bdboyle.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<br><br>On 3/15/2016 7:43 PM, Kevin Custer wrote:<br>><br>> On 3/15/2016 7:20 PM, Jim Aspinwall wrote:<br>>><br><br>***DELETIA***<br>><br>> No - it's not a $2.00 FOB, but what's your time and money worth to buy<br>> products that are potted and unusable? Maybe the features of such a<br>> device like the RA-35 makes it worthy of the asking price? I'll let that<br>> up to you to decide. I am assembling a list of those interested. Email<br>> direct.<br><br>While I hold nothing against anyone who wants to hack at something to <br>get it to work...time is money...at least for me it is...so spending <br>anything more than an hour at my contract rate, to me, and only me, <br>quickly outweighs the $50-100 usd that it might cost to purchase either <br>an already-constructed and proven device...or spend hours looking for a <br>$3.00 part that I have to spend another 2 hours modifying with no <br>guarantee (especially for pacific-rim sourced devices off fleabay) that <br>it is actually useable (USB programming cables, anyone?).<br><br>Done as an academic exercise...why not? Putting the bashed-together <br>device into a commercial site? That's why hams get thrown out. That's <br>just me, though. I'm sure the price of Kevin's device, the upgraded <br>dongle from Repeater Builder, or Dave Kramer's URI in terms of being <br>tested and proven working, when what your time is worth is considered, <br>are actually cheaper.<br><br>I helped design and build a broadcast quality 1KW FM transmitter back in <br>the day for a station. Passed all the proof tests. But, it cost, in <br>the end, 2x what it would have cost to just issue a PO to Harris/Gates <br>(at the time) for a manufactured rig with a guarantee.<br><br>But, again, that's just me and my $.03.<br>BB<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 21:51:17 -0400<br>From: Steve Zingman <<a ymailto="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com" href="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com">szingman@msgstor.com</a>><br>To: "<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] New Dongle Potential<br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:56E8BC15.4010500@msgstor.com" href="mailto:56E8BC15.4010500@msgstor.com">56E8BC15.4010500@msgstor.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<br><br>I fully agree with Bryan, my billable time is worth more then the time <br>spent modifying a sound FOB.<br>I have been testing the RA-35 and I love it. I can not find anything it <br>can't do. I've tested it with DIAL on both x86 and ARM without a glitch. <br>I've tried it with DSD and Mike has tried it with D-Star. I've run out <br>of things to test. As they say, It just works!<br><br>73, Steve N4IRS<br><br>On 03/15/2016 09:24 PM, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:<br>> On 3/15/2016 7:43 PM, Kevin Custer wrote:<br>>><br>>> On 3/15/2016 7:20 PM, Jim Aspinwall wrote:<br>>>><br>><br>> ***DELETIA***<br>>><br>>> No - it's not a $2.00 FOB, but what's your time and money worth to buy<br>>> products that are potted and unusable? Maybe the features of such a<br>>> device like the RA-35 makes it worthy of the asking price? I'll let that<br>>> up to you to decide. I am assembling a list of those interested. Email<br>>> direct.<br>><br>> While I hold nothing against anyone who wants to hack at something to <br>> get it to work...time is money...at least for me it is...so spending <br>> anything more than an hour at my contract rate, to me, and only me, <br>> quickly outweighs the $50-100 usd that it might cost to purchase <br>> either an already-constructed and proven device...or spend hours <br>> looking for a $3.00 part that I have to spend another 2 hours <br>> modifying with no guarantee (especially for pacific-rim sourced <br>> devices off fleabay) that it is actually useable (USB programming <br>> cables, anyone?).<br>><br>> Done as an academic exercise...why not? Putting the bashed-together <br>> device into a commercial site? That's why hams get thrown out. <br>> That's just me, though. I'm sure the price of Kevin's device, the <br>> upgraded dongle from Repeater Builder, or Dave Kramer's URI in terms <br>> of being tested and proven working, when what your time is worth is <br>> considered, are actually cheaper.<br>><br>> I helped design and build a broadcast quality 1KW FM transmitter back <br>> in the day for a station. Passed all the proof tests. But, it cost, <br>> in the end, 2x what it would have cost to just issue a PO to <br>> Harris/Gates (at the time) for a manufactured rig with a guarantee.<br>><br>> But, again, that's just me and my $.03.<br>> BB<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> App_rpt-users mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" href="mailto:App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org">App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org</a><br>> <a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users</a><br>><br>> To unsubscribe from this list please visit <br>> <a href="http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users" target="_blank">http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users </a>and scroll <br>> down to the bottom of the page. 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