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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Steven,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I have not recently. In the past, about a year ago, what I wrote below was the lay of the land. It would be great if someone had the ability to bridge the gap.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I’m not sure who from the Allstar team may have a great connection, but if we all email that would be bad.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Kb8zgl<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of Steven Donegan <donegan@donegan.org><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org><br><b>Date: </b>Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 10:45 AM<br><b>To: </b>Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [App_rpt-users] experimental reflector irlp<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Has anyone actually asked him about his present thoughts? My guess is no. He has allowed specific exceptions I believe. Perhaps he might reconsider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486045591798_162233"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Steven Donegan<br>KK6IVC General Class FCC License<br>FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License<br>Silver State Car #86<br>www.sscc.us<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Saturday, February 4, 2017 7:39 AM, Michael J. Wolthuis <wolthuis@gmail.com> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black'>There are several views here and you can find most of this in the archives.<br><br>I believe the issue is the IRLP network doesn’t want computer users and/or phones on the network like Echolink/Allstar. They want actual radios on both ends of a conversation. That is ok – their network, their rules.<br><br>So, to date the work arounds have been:<br>1) Dave Cameron is ok with connecting Allstar to a joint EchoIRLP reflector (that does Echolink and IRLP) because you as a user choose to connect to that reflector. Many of the Great Lakes Reflectors are designed with Allstar, Echolink and IRLP. It doesn’t work perfectly always.<br>2) You can use an EXP IRLP node number, again because endusers have to enable it on the IRLP network giving them the choice to connect to these or not.<br>In both examples the IRLP user must CONNECT to the system. Reflectors and EXP Nodes are not able to make outbound calls.<br><br>I too would LOVE to see an approval for IRLP added back in to Allstar, but it needs to somehow be secure to keep telephones, cellphone apps, IAX clients, Java clients, and non-radio users from not connecting when IRLP is active. As has been shown on EchoIRLP Dave Cameron is fine with connections to IRLP as long as they adhere to the rules.<br><br>The previous issue as I understand it is that Allstar users were connecting phones and other methods to IRLP – that is against those network rules.<br><br>Now, maybe someone can build a secure-irlp or something for the asterisk config files and add hooks that if IRLP is active, then Echolink connectivity and JAVA/Phone/etc non radio access to IRLP is disconnected. <br><br>I believe if that was done, as I understand the positions of all involved, it would be acceptable and allowed back in via a channel driver.<br><br>We need someone to build the lock outs for the methods IRLP doesn’t allow when IRLP channel driver is active<br><br>You can see more about this on my astEchoIRLP project, that actually did solve this using the EchoIRLP design by Tony VK3JED about 3 years ago. I realize this is the other way around.<br><br>Certainly would love to see our ham community work this out, but we need to solve the reason IRLP doesn’t want Allstar nodes connected and then we “may” be able to work it all out.<br><br>My $0.02,<br>Mike<br>Kb8zgl<br><br><br>On 2/4/17, 10:28 AM, "App_rpt-users on behalf of Buddy Brannan" <<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org">app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:buddy@brannan.name">buddy@brannan.name</a>> wrote:<br><br> Can't agree. Mr. Cameron has made his views on that pretty clear. Let him have his closed off proprietary sandbox. <br> <br> --<br> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA<br> Phone: 814-860-3194 <br> Mobile: 814-431-0962<br> Email: <a href="mailto:buddy@brannan.name">buddy@brannan.name</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> > On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Loren Tedford <<a href="mailto:lorentedford@gmail.com">lorentedford@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > I completely Agree we should get IRLP back in the dial distribution.. <br> > <br> > Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) <br> > Phone:618-553-0806<br> > Fax: 1-618-551-2755<br> > Email: <a href="mailto:lorentedford@gmail.com">lorentedford@gmail.com</a><br> > Email: <a href="mailto:KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com">KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com</a><br> > <a href="http://www.lorentedford.com/" target="_blank">http://www.lorentedford.com</a><br> > <a href="http://www.kc9zhv.com/" target="_blank">http://www.kc9zhv.com</a><br> > <a href="http://forum.kc9zhv.com/" target="_blank">http://forum.kc9zhv.com</a><br> > <a href="http://hub.kc9zhv.com/" target="_blank">http://hub.kc9zhv.com</a><br> > <a href="http://ltcraft.net/" target="_blank">http://Ltcraft.net</a><br> > <a href="http://voipham.com/" target="_blank">http://voipham.com</a><br> > <br> > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Steven Donegan <<a href="mailto:donegan@donegan.org">donegan@donegan.org</a>> wrote:<br> > The entire Win system is IRLP+ALLSTAR+ECHOLINK so seems there are lots of examples of this. Frankly if we could get IRLP back in the mainstream it would be useful.<br> > <br> > Steven Donegan<br> > KK6IVC General Class FCC License<br> > FAA PP-ASEL Pilots License<br> > Silver State Car #86<br> > www.sscc.us<br> > <br> > <br> > On Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:41 AM, ea8ee <<a href="mailto:ea8ee1@gmail.com">ea8ee1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > <br> > I think there is a bit of confusion with the bridge is not allowed access to the irlp general network but if Dave Cameron allowed access to experimental reflectors irlp in fact in the list of stats of allstar there are more than 50 with bridge to reflectors exp of irlp<br> > <br> > El El sáb, 4 feb 2017 a las 14:20, Allstar Admin <<a href="mailto:allstarlinks@gmail.com">allstarlinks@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br> > IRLP was removed from AllStar some years ago at the request of Dave Kamron, the IRLP inventor. 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