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Let's slow it down a little. As of right now, a review of the
existing java code is happening. We will see if and where it goes
from there. <br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/17/2017 11:24 AM, Loren Tedford
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">If any of you have teamspeak and would like to just
chit chat on this topic with me feel free teamspeak ip to my
private server is: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://kc9zhv.com:9936">kc9zhv.com:9936</a> Their is no
password i am in the welcome room.
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<div>I actually see several use cases for allowing a user to
utilize this..</div>
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<div style="font-size:small"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ltcraft.net/"
style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://Ltcraft.net<span></span><span></span></a></div>
<div style="font-size:small"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Doug
Kingston <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dpk@randomnotes.org" target="_blank">dpk@randomnotes.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I see 2 significant use cases:
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<div>1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node</div>
<div>In this case, they don't have a prior relationship
with the node and there is no account/password that the
user knows that they can use to log in. Today in the
Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to
the Allstar central server with their Allstar
username/password and the Java traffic is proxies
through that central site is some way and on to the
public node. Its possible the central node provides
credentials to the java applet and it connects directly,
but Steve can say more definitively.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for
a particular node</div>
<div>This is certainly true for private nodes and for
public nodes where people want to use an app like
iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from the node
operator before using the node.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The
reason we need some form of authentication is to prevent
random non-hams from accessing Allstar nodes and
initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the
central node out of the normal path except for the
authentication process.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Doug-, KD7DK</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:57
AM, Loren Tedford <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lorentedford@gmail.com"
target="_blank">lorentedford@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Interesting so all it is is IAX
traffic between the webpage and asterisk?? How
does it verify the pass code etc?? I take it
their must be a main frame asterisk node setup
some where that handles this iax traffic.. I
didn't realize this!! I agree a application for
the platforms would be nice like windows phone
and android along with iphone.. I still don't
understand why people use iphones but thats my
personal preference i guess.. Anyway how hard
would it be to take the iaxrpt that you created
and port it to iphone?? How hard would it be to
take the iaxrpt and make it connect just like
the transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be
some thing to think about for future development
but i still think we should have a pc based way
to communicate like a web browser based client..
You just never know how that might come in handy
some day when handling large amounts of
traffic.. </div>
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style="font-size:small;font-family:arial">Loren
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href="tel:%28618%29%20553-0806"
value="+16185530806"
target="_blank">618-553-0806</a></div>
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face="arial">Fax: <a
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target="_blank">1-618-551-2755</a></font><br>
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target="_blank">http://Ltcraft.net<span></span><span></span></a></div>
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target="_blank">http://voipham.com</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 17,
2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com"
target="_blank">szingman@msgstor.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Loren,<br>
You missed my comment about one size
fits all. A app written for a mobile
device will take advantage of options
not available to a web interface. It
is far better to use a app written for
the platform. For the web platform
HTML5 may be a good choice. The Web
Transceiver talks to the ASL network
via IAX. <br>
<br>
73, Steve N4IRS <br>
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4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren
Tedford wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Steve I still
like the idea that we are at
least talking about fixing the
Web Transceiver if i knew a
little more about it maybe we
could figure out how to make
the web transceiver work in
html mostly instead of java..
If this can be done this will
mean its comparable via any
mobile web browser out on the
market today.. All the user
would have to do is login to
the website etc.. So exactly
how does the web transceiver
talk to the allstarlink
network??? What exactly is
going on in the back end of
things?? </div>
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Tedford (KC9ZHV) </div>
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style="font-size:small;font-family:arial">Phone:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%28618%29%20553-0806"
value="+16185530806"
target="_blank">618-553-0806</a></div>
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face="arial">Fax: <a
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value="+16185512755"
target="_blank">1-618-551-2755</a></font><br>
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style="font-size:small">Email: <a
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style="color:rgb(17,85,204)"
target="_blank">KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com</a></div>
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target="_blank">http://Ltcraft.net<span></span><span></span></a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47
AM, Steve Zingman <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com"
target="_blank">szingman@msgstor.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
text="#000000"> As I
said, The Web
Transceiver code is
being looked at to
evaluate if and how it
can be moved forward. A
one size fits all
solution will not
adequately work on all
platforms. Support for
mobile devices is a
must. As of right now
for access to specific
nodes the choices are
Zopier and Android
IAXRPT. Zopier runs on
IOS and Android. Android
IAXRPT of course runs on
Android and is tailored
to AllStarLink nodes.
The Web Transceiver is
more general.<br>
<br>
73, Steve N4IRS <br>
<br>
<div
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4/16/2017 10:54 PM,
Matthew Pitts wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
Yes, kids were the
target audience of the
Raspberry Pi, but look
at what Hams have done
with it, in its
various forms. AllStar
nodes, whether DIAL or
the distribution Doug
helped develop.
Multi-mode Digital
Voice nodes using
various interface
devices like the MMDVM
or
DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA.
Echolink/IRLP nodes.
If we really want to
get the attention of
teens and
twenty-somethings, and
keep it, we need to
adapt our tactics to
the way they live; how
often do you see one
without a smartphone
somewhere on their
person? Create an app
(or two, as iOS should
be covered too) that
supports the features
of the current Web
Transceiver and you'll
have a tool that
everyone can use and
still have the browser
free for other things.<br>
<br>
Matthew Pitts<br>
N8OHU <br>
-- <br>
Sent from my Android
device with K-9 Mail.
Please excuse my
brevity.<br>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
April 15, 2017
6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor
Wiegman <a
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class="m_-2300047188422715761m_-4183716338776491947m_1934785982481951821m_-9148340866606342737moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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wrote:
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It comes as no
surprise that
someone like Doug
would have little
or no need for the
web transceiver.
Most of us on this
list won't have
use for it.
Anyone who's come
so far as to
building their own
node and
subscribing to
this list has
likely exceeded
what that web
transceiver could
do for them.<br>
<br>
Consider however
that there is a
different market,
a different
audience for a web
transceiver. I
know that I'm not
the only one who
got involved in
this through
exploration with
the web
transceiver. <br>
<br>
So I think there
is benefit in
having such a
simple tool. It
can be, if it
works well and is
designed properly,
a great tool for
someone to take
that first step in
finding out what
all this is about.<br>
<br>
Consider the
target audience of
the Raspberry Pi.
Getting kids into
programming and
using these
devices to do
things, control
things and such.
Ham radio needs to
attract, and keep,
the attention of
that same
audience. App_rpt
and Allstarlink
are great for
that. But this
audience doesn't
come to us with
anything more than
a very basic,
novice background
at first. A web
transceiver seems
like a handy tool
for those new
young hams to
explore.<br>
<br>
There's my long
winded $0.02 <br>
73<br>
Thor (N7JCT)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Re:
[App_rpt-users]
Alternative to
WebTransceiver
java applet</td>
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Users of
Asterisk
app_rpt <a
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If you must
have the web
transceiver
there are ways
around the
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