<div dir="ltr">The purpose of this thread was to discuss software based solutions. Fundamentally I was looking for how we can make Allstar the preferred option when Echolink might have been used previously.<div><br></div><div>Can I request we move hardware based discussions to a separate thread? I know there have been some nice commercial and homegrown options there.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div> -Doug-</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Gareth Jackson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gareth1125@gmail.com" target="_blank">gareth1125@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:27 PM +0100, "David McGough" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kb4fxc@inttek.net" target="_blank">kb4fxc@inttek.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<pre>I'm all for using the hotspot approach, where applicable. But there are a
couple drawbacks.
First, most hotspots are simplex, not duplex. Duplex is much more
desirable in various situations. To solve this, you can build backyard
repeaters out of a pair of 888 radios (I have 3 of them). But, that's even
more hardware to haul around.
Second, if you're traveling by plane, it's can be an adventure getting
this hardware past TSA! I haven't tried recently, but, in years past it
wasn't fun.
With a web application, these issues are largely eliminated.
...Just a few more thoughts.
73, David KB4FXC
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, David Shaw wrote:
> Hello Everyone, The WebTransceiver is a great tool. But I think we should
> look at getting a hotspot going. Like the DVMega or the DV4Mini. A cheap
> low power hotspot would be great. But I can't code or build a hotspot so
> just a thought.
>
> Please not say, just build one out of a Baofeng radio. Rework W9SH's iaxRpt
> software or direct node to work with a USB Radio. Small and cheap that just
> works when you plug it in.
>
> OK I'm done. Thanks for your time.
>
> David
> KE6UPI
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>
> --
> Thanks, David
>
> "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
> inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
> the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
> than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
> confidence than an armed one."
> Thomas Jefferson
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Steve Zingman <u></u> wrote:
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> > I don't think anyone was referring to HTML5 as a programming language.
> > More of a shorthand to describe a possible solution.
> > That is the reason the dev team is looking at the existing code. we all
> > know java has to go. IAX would be the preferred stack.
> >
> > 73, Steve N4IRS
> >
> >
> > On 4/17/2017 12:16 PM, David McGough wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> I agree that the WebTransceiver is a powerful addition to the AllStar
> >> project. I've got several hams who use it on a regular basis for repeater
> >> access, so, I hate to see it go as well.
> >>
> >> As we all know, web browser developers are rapidly phasing out all support
> >> for java applets. And, along with this phasing out process, continuing to
> >> make java work is a constantly moving target---every time a browser update
> >> comes down the pipe, you have to go and tweak settings AGAIN make java
> >> work.
> >>
> >> The biggest problem I see with "upgrading" the WebTransceiver is replacing
> >> the IAX2 protocol stack with updated version which is modern-browser
> >> friendly. We need to remember that all the hoopla about HTML5 is fine,
> >> but, HTML5 is NOT a programming language--javascript is the programming
> >> language used. Another large component required is the actual audio
> >> interface to the PC and some supported CODEC for communication across
> >> IAX2...For this requirement, I believe the WebRTC toolkit, which is
> >> included in modern browsers, could be leveraged.
> >>
> >> So, where can we find a javascript-based IAX2 stack? ...I know there are
> >> already javascript SIP stacks out there (see: <a href="http://www.jssip.net/" target="_blank">http://www.jssip.net/</a> ).
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> 73, David KB4FXC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017, Doug Kingston wrote:
> >>
> >> I see 2 significant use cases:
> >>>
> >>> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node
> >>> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and
> >>> there
> >>> is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in.
> >>> Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the
> >>> Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java
> >>> traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the
> >>> public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the
> >>> java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more
> >>> definitively.
> >>>
> >>> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node
> >>> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where
> >>> people
> >>> want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from
> >>> the
> >>> node operator before using the node.
> >>>
> >>> I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some
> >>> form
> >>> of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar
> >>> nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central
> >>> node out of the normal path except for the authentication process.
> >>>
> >>> -Doug-, KD7DK
> >>>
> >>>
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