<div dir="ltr">I see 2 significant use cases:<div><br></div><div>1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node</div><div>In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and there is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in. Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the public node. Its possible the central node provides credentials to the java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively.</div><div><br></div><div>2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node</div><div>This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where people want to use an app like iaxrpt. They need to receive credentials from the node operator before using the node.</div><div><br></div><div>I think this is a summary of the basic modes. The reason we need some form of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar nodes and initiating transmissions. It would be nice to take the central node out of the normal path except for the authentication process.</div><div><br></div><div>-Doug-, KD7DK</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Loren Tedford <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lorentedford@gmail.com" target="_blank">lorentedford@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Interesting so all it is is IAX traffic between the webpage and asterisk?? How does it verify the pass code etc?? I take it their must be a main frame asterisk node setup some where that handles this iax traffic.. I didn't realize this!! I agree a application for the platforms would be nice like windows phone and android along with iphone.. I still don't understand why people use iphones but thats my personal preference i guess.. Anyway how hard would it be to take the iaxrpt that you created and port it to iphone?? How hard would it be to take the iaxrpt and make it connect just like the transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be some thing to think about for future development but i still think we should have a pc based way to communicate like a web browser based client.. You just never know how that might come in handy some day when handling large amounts of traffic.. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-4183716338776491947gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;font-family:arial">Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV) </div><div style="font-size:small;font-family:arial">Phone:<a href="tel:(618)%20553-0806" value="+16185530806" target="_blank">618-553-0806</a></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="arial">Fax: <a href="tel:(618)%20551-2755" value="+16185512755" target="_blank">1-618-551-2755</a></font><br><font face="arial">Email: </font><a href="mailto:lorentedford@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial" target="_blank">lorentedford@gmail.com</a></div><div style="font-size:small">Email: <a href="mailto:KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">KC9ZHV@KC9ZHV.com</a></div><div style="font-size:small;font-family:arial"><a href="http://www.lorentedford.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://www.lorentedford.com</a></div><div style="font-size:small;font-family:arial"><a href="http://www.kc9zhv.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://www.kc9zhv.com</a></div><div style="font-size:small;font-family:arial"><a href="http://forum.kc9zhv.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://forum.kc9zhv.com</a></div><div style="font-size:small;font-family:arial"><a href="http://hub.kc9zhv.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://hub.kc9zhv.com</a></div><div style="font-size:small"><a href="http://ltcraft.net/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://Ltcraft.net<span></span><span></span></a></div><div style="font-size:small"><a href="http://voipham.com" target="_blank">http://voipham.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com" target="_blank">szingman@msgstor.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Loren,<br>
You missed my comment about one size fits all. A app written for a
mobile device will take advantage of options not available to a web
interface. It is far better to use a app written for the platform.
For the web platform HTML5 may be a good choice. The Web Transceiver
talks to the ASL network via IAX. <br>
<br>
73, Steve N4IRS <br><div><div class="m_-4183716338776491947h5">
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<div class="m_-4183716338776491947m_1934785982481951821moz-cite-prefix">On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren Tedford
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<div dir="ltr">Steve I still like the idea that we are at least
talking about fixing the Web Transceiver if i knew a little more
about it maybe we could figure out how to make the web
transceiver work in html mostly instead of java.. If this can be
done this will mean its comparable via any mobile web browser
out on the market today.. All the user would have to do is
login to the website etc.. So exactly how does the web
transceiver talk to the allstarlink network??? What exactly is
going on in the back end of things?? </div>
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<div style="font-size:small;font-family:arial">Loren
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve
Zingman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com" target="_blank">szingman@msgstor.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> As I said, The Web
Transceiver code is being looked at to evaluate if and how
it can be moved forward. A one size fits all solution
will not adequately work on all platforms. Support for
mobile devices is a must. As of right now for access to
specific nodes the choices are Zopier and Android IAXRPT.
Zopier runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course
runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes. The
Web Transceiver is more general.<br>
<br>
73, Steve N4IRS <br>
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4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Yes, kids were the target
audience of the Raspberry Pi, but look at what Hams have
done with it, in its various forms. AllStar nodes,
whether DIAL or the distribution Doug helped develop.
Multi-mode Digital Voice nodes using various interface
devices like the MMDVM or DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA.
Echolink/IRLP nodes. If we really want to get the
attention of teens and twenty-somethings, and keep it,
we need to adapt our tactics to the way they live; how
often do you see one without a smartphone somewhere on
their person? Create an app (or two, as iOS should be
covered too) that supports the features of the current
Web Transceiver and you'll have a tool that everyone can
use and still have the browser free for other things.<br>
<br>
Matthew Pitts<br>
N8OHU <br>
-- <br>
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse
my brevity.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM
EDT, Thor Wiegman <a class="m_-4183716338776491947m_1934785982481951821m_-9148340866606342737moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:n7jct@aplaceonthe.net" target="_blank"><n7jct@aplaceonthe.net></a>
wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> It comes as no
surprise that someone like Doug would have little or
no need for the web transceiver. Most of us on this
list won't have use for it. Anyone who's come so
far as to building their own node and subscribing to
this list has likely exceeded what that web
transceiver could do for them.<br>
<br>
Consider however that there is a different market, a
different audience for a web transceiver. I know
that I'm not the only one who got involved in this
through exploration with the web transceiver. <br>
<br>
So I think there is benefit in having such a simple
tool. It can be, if it works well and is designed
properly, a great tool for someone to take that
first step in finding out what all this is about.<br>
<br>
Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi.
Getting kids into programming and using these
devices to do things, control things and such. Ham
radio needs to attract, and keep, the attention of
that same audience. App_rpt and Allstarlink are
great for that. But this audience doesn't come to
us with anything more than a very basic, novice
background at first. A web transceiver seems like a
handy tool for those new young hams to explore.<br>
<br>
There's my long winded $0.02 <br>
73<br>
Thor (N7JCT)<br>
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Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to
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Doug Crompton <a class="m_-4183716338776491947m_1934785982481951821m_-9148340866606342737moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wa3dsp@gmail.com" target="_blank"><wa3dsp@gmail.com></a></td>
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Users of Asterisk app_rpt <a class="m_-4183716338776491947m_1934785982481951821m_-9148340866606342737moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org" target="_blank"><app_rpt-users@lists.allstarli<wbr>nk.org></a></td>
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