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        font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(1.00986);">More on
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        Exciter <span class="highlight selected">Modulation </span>Signals
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        Digitized audio/data intended to be transmitted from the station
        is output from the DSP circuitry to a D/A converter via the
        TX/Voice Audio signal (p/o the Serial Synchronous Interface bus,
        connected between the DSP and the DSP ASIC). The digitized
        signal is converted to analog, level shifted and amplified, and
        fed to a 0-6 kHz filter. The output of the filter is then fed to
        one of the inputs of a multiplexer. The output of the
        multiplexer is fed to two individual digitally controlled
        potentiometers (each of which is adjusted by the Host uP via the
        SPI Bus) and output to the Exciter Module as <span
          class="highlight">modulation </span>signals VCO MOD AUDIO and
        REF MOD AUDIO.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/8/2017 5:26 PM, Joe Leikhim wrote:<br>
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      <p>I think it is a bit more complicated than that. If you dither
        the reference oscillator of a repeater, it will also have an
        effect on the demodulated PL/DPL from the receiver. Some half
        duplex transceivers indeed apply modulation compensation
        directly to the reference oscillators, and others do not, but
        employ alternative compensation techniques. <br>
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      This from a Quantar Manual<br>
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          font-family: sans-serif; transform: scaleX(1.03797);" class="">Modulation
          <br>
          The active VCO receives an audio/data <span class="highlight
            selected">modulation </span>signal from the Station
          Control Module via two low-pass filters. This <span
            class="highlight">modulation </span>signal modulates the
          active VCO to produce a modulated low-level rf carrier signal.
          <br>
          <br>
          Low-frequency <span class="highlight">modulation </span>signals
          (below the loop filter corner) tend to be interpreted by the
          PLL as VCO frequency error. A modulation compensation signal
          is added to the PLL <u>control voltage</u> to cancel out this
          effect and allow for low frequency modulation.</div>
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      The trick I believe, is in the way the PL/DPL is presented to the
      station and if the modulation compensation adjustment is
      sufficient to track out the PLL's tendency to cancel the low
      frequency tones.<br>
      <br>
      Joe Leikhim<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/8/2017 4:33 PM, Bryan Fields
        wrote:<br>
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        <div>I've been following this with some interest.  One of the
          fundamental issues with the PCGM was the master clock going to
          the radio was unable to be modulated.  This made low frequency
          signals (PL) distort, and digital PL was even worse.  </div>
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature">Typically most radios use two point
          modulation, with modulation on the reference oscillator.  When
          you add an external reference you loose this.</div>
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature">Some base stations are designed to
          do two point modulation even on an external clock, the Quantar
          for example.  This station will even phase lock it's PL and
          DPL generation if provided a 1 PPS in addition to a clock.</div>
        <div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature">If we could inject modulation into
          the clock generator simulcast performance would vastly
          improve.  I'd be interested to see your design to see if this
          would be a possibility.</div>
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        <div id="AppleMailSignature">Thoughts?</div>
        <div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>
          <div style="direction: inherit;">--</div>
          <div style="direction: inherit;">Bryan Fields</div>
          <div style="direction: inherit;">M: +1-727-409-1194</div>
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        <div><br>
          On May 8, 2017, at 14:15, Reid Brandon <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rfpowerguy@yahoo.com">rfpowerguy@yahoo.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494266968989_5136">Hi Joe,</div>
              <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494266968989_5135">I got a
                page with a pic of a man that rotated  around saying
                DOWNLOAD NOT FOUND.</div>
              <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494266968989_5184">Try again!?</div>
              <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1494266968989_5186">Tks  Reid<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On
                        Sunday, May 7, 2017 12:25 PM, Pierre Martel <<a
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                          <div dir="ltr">I am very interrested in all
                            this project. My email is VE2PF @ VE2MRC dot
                            com!
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                            </div>
                            <div>what radio did you used for the
                              project? </div>
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                            </div>
                            <div>Thanks for sharing!</div>
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                            <div>Pierre</div>
                            <div>VE2PF</div>
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                              <div class="yiv9395446301gmail_quote">2017-05-07
                                12:32 GMT-04:00 Kevin Custer <span
                                  dir="ltr"><<a
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                                  style="margin:0 0 0
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                                  Why not consider do it as an article
                                  for Repeater Builder?<br clear="none">
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                                  Thanks,<br clear="none">
                                  Kevin<span class="yiv9395446301im
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                                    On 5/7/2017 3:13 AM, Joe Moskalski
                                    wrote:<br clear="none">
                                  </span>
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                                    style="margin:0 0 0
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                                    solid;padding-left:1ex;"> I wanted
                                    to throw this email out to the group
                                    for all those who want to simulcast
                                    with the RTCM. For those who don't
                                    know, in order to make the RTCM
                                    suitable for simulcast you must have
                                    a more accurate 9.6 MHz clock for
                                    the RTCM in order to ensure the
                                    audio sounds acceptable in the
                                    overlap areas. I did this a few
                                    months ago using 9.6 MHz OCXO's.
                                    This worked reasonably well. Not as
                                    well as I would have liked but the
                                    system was very usable, but of
                                    course I wanted it to be better.
                                    Since the PCGM (Programmable Clock
                                    Generation Module) is no longer
                                    available, I decided to roll my own
                                    as some say.<br clear="none">
                                    I created a PLL circuit that can
                                    accept a 10 MHz, 1 MHz or 100 KHz
                                    reference input and produce a phase
                                    locked 9.6 MHz out for the RTCM. I
                                    have been testing this over the past
                                    few days and it has made an great
                                    improvement in the audio quality in
                                    the overlap. The quality of the
                                    audio in the overlap areas sounds
                                    very, very good, it's very similar
                                    to what I expect to hear in
                                    commercial simulcast systems. My
                                    circuit is heavily based off of an
                                    old Motorola MSF5000 HSO PLL circuit
                                    that I was able to adapt and modify
                                    to my needs.  There are other uses
                                    for this circuit that make it
                                    attractive for simulcasting but I
                                    wont get into them here. I am will
                                    to share my schematic and bill of
                                    materials (digikey) with anyone.
                                    Please send me an email and I will
                                    be willing to share all of my
                                    information on the project.<br
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