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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">JJC,<br>
      <br>
      Are you using the simpleusb channel driver?  It's unclear, but you
      do mention something about COS in one of your replies below. 
      Using the simpleusb channel driver drastically cuts down on the
      number of processes necessary, where usbradio uses much more CPU. 
      HOWEVER, if you are using usbradio (what we call full DSP) then
      I'd like to know more about your set-up.  If you are using
      simpleusb, there's no argument, and that explains it.<br>
      <br>
      Please let us know.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      Kevin<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 2/7/2018 5:16 PM, JJC wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAOb75Ou6eDv45ZC46crtEZs-O1eFTnHWzyH---8M08P6ANLLNw@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr">I took a while to think about how I wanted to
        respond to the "I am being fairly picky" statement, seemingly
        indicating that some of us are not.  In any event I am also (as
        are all of the site owners on our system) very picky about our
        audio.  I stand by my statement that we have zero issues with
        the audio on any of our Pi based systems.  I have never
        generated a tone using the Pi, always rather a high grade tone
        generator to set audio levels etc...  Again, wish that I had a
        silver bullet for you guys, maybe it's just the luck of the
        draw?
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>JJC</div>
        <div>N0PKT</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Tim
          Sawyer <span dir="ltr"><<a
              href="mailto:tisawyer@gmail.com" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">tisawyer@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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            <div dir="ltr">
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">My
                experience with the 1khz tone test Skyler mentions is
                that it sounds crappy on all flavors of hardware running
                DIAL/ACID/Limey. Only Hamvoip makes a clean 1khz tone.
                But, has been said on here many times, it's not open
                source.</div>
            </div>
            <div class="HOEnZb">
              <div class="h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 7:20
                    PM, Skyler F <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        href="mailto:electricity440@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">electricity440@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Please realize, I am being fairly
                        picky! Also, please don't mention the HamVoip
                        image, I know they have a precision timer, but
                        it is not open source!
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Here is a way to tell for all you out there
                          on a pi,</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Hit DTMF *904, and listen to the 1kHz tone.
                          Count how many times it "POPS" or does
                          something other than a pure 1kHz tone over a
                          30 second period. Report the channel driver
                          you are using. </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Skyler</div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra">
                        <div>
                          <div class="m_7880719138785259727h5"><br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 4, 2018
                              at 8:12 PM, JJC <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                  href="mailto:cummingsj@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cummingsj@gmail.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
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                                <div dir="ltr">And uptime/load info
                                  during an active net tonight on the
                                  same system:
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>$ uptime</div>
                                    <div> 20:10:43 up 64 days,  5:18,  1
                                      user,  load average: 0.18, 0.18,
                                      0.21</div>
                                  </div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun,
                                        Feb 4, 2018 at 4:54 PM, JJC <span
                                          dir="ltr"><<a
                                            href="mailto:cummingsj@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">cummingsj@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0 0 0
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                                          <div dir="ltr">I am using
                                            USBRadio on one of the nodes
                                            (the first that I
                                            checked)and here is my usb
                                            info:
                                            <div>
                                              <blockquote
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                                                style="margin:0px 0px
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                                                rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i>Bus
                                                  001 Device 004: ID
                                                  0d8c:013a C-Media
                                                  Electronics, Inc.</i></blockquote>
                                              <span
class="m_7880719138785259727m_8938940590994422416m_953673055254895739HOEnZb"><font
                                                  color="#888888">
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                </font></span></div>
                                            <span
class="m_7880719138785259727m_8938940590994422416m_953673055254895739HOEnZb"><font
                                                color="#888888">
                                                <div>JJC</div>
                                                <div>N0PKT</div>
                                              </font></span></div>
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class="m_7880719138785259727m_8938940590994422416m_953673055254895739HOEnZb">
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                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at
                                                  3:35 PM, Andrew Sylthe
                                                  <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:asylthe@kc9ona.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">asylthe@kc9ona.com</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div dir="auto">I've
                                                      only ever
                                                      experienced
                                                      strange audio
                                                      issues with
                                                      usbradio, and have
                                                      never had an issue
                                                      running simpleusb
                                                      on the Pi 3.</div>
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                                                      <div
class="m_7880719138785259727m_8938940590994422416m_953673055254895739m_586615623791861900h5">
                                                        <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Feb 4, 2018
                                                          3:51 PM, "Tim
                                                          Sawyer" <<a
href="mailto:tisawyer@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">tisawyer@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br
                                                          type="attribution">
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large">I believe stuttering audio only happens on Pi
                                                          nodes running
                                                          USBradio. My
                                                          understanding
                                                          is the
                                                          Rasperry Pi
                                                          does not have
                                                          enough
                                                          horsepower for
                                                          USBradio.    
                                                           SimpleUSB
                                                          should not a
                                                          problem but if
                                                          anyone knows
                                                          different
                                                          please speak
                                                          up.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Sun, Feb 4,
                                                          2018 at 11:53
                                                          AM, Dave
                                                          Maciorowski <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:wa1jhk@macski.us" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wa1jhk@macski.us</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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                                                          <p><font
                                                          size="-1"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi All,</font></font></p>
                                                          <p><font
                                                          size="-1"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I'd like to know more about your
                                                          setups, Jay's
                                                          that are
                                                          working and
                                                          Jon and
                                                          Skyler's that
                                                          have issues. 
                                                          Do you use
                                                          simpleusb or
                                                          usbradio? 
                                                          What
                                                          USB-to-audio
                                                          interface are
                                                          you using
                                                          including the
                                                          line returned
                                                          by the lsusb
                                                          command. 
                                                          Here's mine:</font></font></p>
                                                          <p><font
                                                          size="-1"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:000e
                                                          C-Media
                                                          Electronics,
                                                          Inc. Audio
                                                          Adapter
                                                          (Planet
                                                          UP-100, Genius
                                                          G-Talk)</font></font></p>
                                                          <p><font
                                                          size="-1"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I ask because I'm chasing an
                                                          interface
                                                          issue that
                                                          might be
                                                          related.</font></font></p>
                                                          <p><font
                                                          size="-1"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Thanks.</font></font></p>
                                                          <p><font
                                                          size="-1"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">  Dave<br>
                                                            WA1JHK<br>
                                                          </font></font></p>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
class="m_7880719138785259727m_8938940590994422416m_953673055254895739m_586615623791861900m_3123394855177364909m_-8589984920537525793m_2722612015694880173moz-cite-prefix">On
                                                          2/4/2018 9:47
                                                          AM, JJC wrote:<br>
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                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          wish that I
                                                          had a magic
                                                          formula for
                                                          you.  All that
                                                          I can say is
                                                          that we run
                                                          minimal setups
                                                          (least
                                                          possible
                                                          number of
                                                          running
                                                          processes and
                                                          installed
                                                          packages) on
                                                          the Pis and we
                                                          are sure to
                                                          use the
                                                          correct audio
                                                          COR interfaces
                                                          etc... We also
                                                          are meticulous
                                                          in setting up
                                                          levels using
                                                          service
                                                          monitors of
                                                          all of the
                                                          radios
                                                          themselves.  I
                                                          help to
                                                          maintain a
                                                          large system
                                                          (That Skyler
                                                          has used
                                                          frequently in
                                                          the past)
                                                          which is
                                                          primarily run
                                                          on PIs and we
                                                          have not had
                                                          any of the
                                                          issues that
                                                          you guys are
                                                          experiencing. 
                                                          Wish I could
                                                          be of more
                                                          help, but I
                                                          truly do not
                                                          believe that
                                                          it's an issue
                                                          caused by the
                                                          Pi.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>JJC</div>
                                                          <div>N0PKT</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Sun, Feb 4,
                                                          2018 at 8:57
                                                          AM,
                                                          REDBUTTON_CTRL
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jrorke@cogeco.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jrorke@cogeco.ca</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I
                                                          too have had
                                                          the sputtering
                                                          audio issues.
                                                          Mostly it
                                                          starts to
                                                          degrade over a
                                                          few days. I
                                                          have run dial
                                                          on Pi2 s and
                                                          HP thin
                                                          clients. and
                                                          so far all of
                                                          them need
                                                          periodic
                                                          reboots or
                                                          asterisk
                                                          restarts to
                                                          clean up the
                                                          audio.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I am using
                                                          DIAL Full DSP
                                                          with tone
                                                          encode and
                                                          decode. Some
                                                          units have 2
                                                          or 3 or nodes.
                                                          Even a single
                                                          node pi does
                                                          it.<br>
                                                          So if you have
                                                          a magic set up
                                                          that fixes
                                                          this I would
                                                          like to hear
                                                          about it.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          In one case I
                                                          had to put
                                                          back a full
                                                          desk top pc to
                                                          keep from
                                                          having to re
                                                          set on a daily
                                                          basis.<br>
                                                          Pcs dont seem
                                                          to suffer from
                                                          the motor
                                                          boating issue.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Jon VA3RQ
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                                                          <br>
                                                          On 2/3/2018
                                                          9:26 PM, JJC
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Skyler,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I’ll have to
                                                          disagree with
                                                          your
                                                          statements
                                                          completely.  I
                                                          have not only
                                                          personally
                                                          load-tested
                                                          but I have and
                                                          know of many
                                                          high traffic
                                                          systems that
                                                          are running
                                                          with zero
                                                          “sputter” or
                                                          issue.l on a
                                                          Pi.  Several
                                                          have been on
                                                          the air and
                                                          running for
                                                          well over a
                                                          year.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I am also
                                                          running one
                                                          system in
                                                          conjunction
                                                          with DMRLink
                                                          and
                                                          transcoding
                                                          audio (read a
                                                          much heavier
                                                          demand on
                                                          System
                                                          resources)
                                                          from
                                                          DMR<-> 
                                                          Analog with no
                                                          “sputter”. 
                                                          Granted the
                                                          transcoding is
                                                          offloaded to a
                                                          separate chip
                                                          but
                                                          nonetheless. 
                                                          On all of
                                                          these systems
                                                          running on a
                                                          Pi 2 or 3 the
                                                          system load
                                                          from asterisk,
                                                          DMRLink etc
                                                          all combined
                                                          never exceeds
                                                          15% and the
                                                          audio is
                                                          always clean (
                                                          not
                                                          withstanding
                                                          network
                                                          craziness ).<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So having said
                                                          all of this I
                                                          would look
                                                          elsewhere for
                                                          what may be
                                                          causing your
                                                          audio
                                                          ailments.  I
                                                          can’t really
                                                          point you in a
                                                          specific
                                                          direction
                                                          other than to
                                                          review overall
                                                          system load
                                                          and
                                                          performance
                                                          inline with
                                                          general system
                                                          administration
                                                          best
                                                          practices. 
                                                          And of course
                                                          standard
                                                          troubleshooting
                                                          methods of
                                                          hardware
                                                          swapping/testing
                                                          and
                                                          validation.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          JJC<br>
                                                          N0PKT<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Sent from the
                                                          iRoad, so
                                                          please ignore
                                                          any typos or
                                                          awesome
                                                          autocorrects<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          On Feb 3,
                                                          2018, at
                                                          18:19, Skyler
                                                          F<<a
                                                          href="mailto:electricity440@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">electricity440@gmail.com</a>> 
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          At this point,
                                                          I don't think
                                                          the raspberry
                                                          pi audio is as
                                                          good as it
                                                          could be on
                                                          the raspberry
                                                          pi. Even with
                                                          a pi 3 on the
                                                          best settings
                                                          in usbradio,
                                                          it will
                                                          sputter every
                                                          once and a
                                                          while I
                                                          realize Doug
                                                          has
                                                          implemented a
                                                          precision
                                                          timer,
                                                          however, his
                                                          image is not
                                                          open source,
                                                          and I cannot
                                                          modify,
                                                          therefore not
                                                          an option for
                                                          me.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          What is the
                                                          best mini
                                                          computer
                                                          hardware
                                                          available for
                                                          reasonable
                                                          prices
                                                          nowadays that
                                                          I could use in
                                                          place of the
                                                          pi? The
                                                          raspberry pi
                                                          arm
                                                          architecture
                                                          just does not
                                                          seem to cut
                                                          the current
                                                          versions of
                                                          AllStar and
                                                          DAHDI. I
                                                          realize how
                                                          picky I am
                                                          being, but I
                                                          am sort of
                                                          going crazy by
                                                          some raspberry
                                                          pi nodes i've
                                                          put together
                                                          with crazy
                                                          sputtering
                                                          issues. And
                                                          the telemetry
                                                          sometimes
                                                          sounds like it
                                                          is played at
                                                          1/2 speed. U<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Usbradio and
                                                          simpleusb have
                                                          their
                                                          different
                                                          problems, but
                                                          neither seem
                                                          to work ok. I
                                                          would actually
                                                          argue usbradio
                                                          works better
                                                          on the pi
                                                          because it
                                                          does not have
                                                          an unreliable
                                                          duplex audio
                                                          delay.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Do ATOM
                                                          processers
                                                          work well?
                                                          Best
                                                          suggestions
                                                          here for
                                                          something
                                                          lightweight
                                                          and non
                                                          power-hungry?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thank You!<br>
                                                          Skyler KDØWHB<br>
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