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    <p>Wow; that is going to be rough. In the commercial worl, we would
      not attempt that. Better to move the Southeast site close in
      between the North and Southwest sites and do a ribbon system. Even
      then,,,<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/15/2018 6:46 PM, Tim Sawyer wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">There's a
          better plot that can be done for simulcast with Radio Mobile
          that even has a input parameter for acceptable delay. Use
          about 80 microseconds. The default resulting plot is mostly
          solid black which hides the map. You have to tweak the colors
          and/or transparency. I'll see if I can find one of my old
          plots... that was a couple of computers ago.  </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Jeff
          Carrier <span dir="ltr"><<a
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              <div>Here's a down and dirty display of overlap with
                transmitter power, feed line loss, antenna gain, pattern
                and azimuth figured in.</div>
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                    Message: 8<br>
                    Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:33:50 -0800<br>
                    From: Tim Sawyer <<a
                      href="mailto:tisawyer@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">tisawyer@gmail.com</a>><br>
                    To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <<a
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                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">app_rpt-users@lists.allstarli<wbr>nk.org</a>><br>
                    Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Simulcast buffer value
                    issue<br>
                    Message-ID:<br>
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                        11,000 feet! No way that will simulcast well,
                        not at 70 miles.<br>
                        <br>
                        On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:10 PM, Jeff Carrier
                        <<a href="mailto:k0jsc.jeff@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">k0jsc.jeff@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <br>
                        > I really hope to be able to confirm this
                        soon.  I've been lazy and our 3<br>
                        > sites are 86 miles, 79 miles and 70 miles
                        (in a triangle).  One of the 3 is<br>
                        > over 11,000 feet elevation.  No matter what
                        we've tried so far you still<br>
                        > hear distortion in the overlap area(s) even
                        when 1 site is 20 miles out LoS<br>
                        > and the other is around 60 miles out non
                        LoS.  Everything is linked on a<br>
                        > private uW network with very low latency
                        and basically zero packet loss.<br>
                        > The transmitters (GE MIII) run about 1hz
                        freq error with the gpsdo attached.<br>
                        ><br>
                        > Sometimes I just wonder if this is just
                        multi-path from the various<br>
                        > granite reflectors we have on the front
                        range of Colorado (one of them is<br>
                        > Pikes Peak)<br>
                        ><br>
                        > de K0JSC<br>
                        ><br>
                        > ------------------------------<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> Message: 6<br>
                        >> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:43:42 +1100<br>
                        >> From: Hayden Honeywood <<a
                          href="mailto:haydenph91@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">haydenph91@gmail.com</a>><br>
                        >> To: <a
                          href="mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlin<wbr>k.org</a><br>
                        >> Subject: [App_rpt-users] Simulcast
                        buffer value issue<br>
                        >> Message-ID:<br>
                        >>         <CAC0VLD0-9mc=<a
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                        >> Interesting thoughts Tim... perhaps
                        worth documenting on the wiki?<br>
                        >> Even though it was just "in theory",
                        what kind of sync error was it?<br>
                        >> Were we talking microseconds or even
                        more?<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> I have a receiver on a yagi pointed at
                        a distant simulcasted site. I<br>
                        >> have noticed on occasion, I can hear
                        the distant simulcasted site<br>
                        >> start to send audio underneath the
                        carrier of the site that is closest<br>
                        >> (and strongest to me). The distant site
                        is also the master site, and<br>
                        >> has the lowest latency, but I'm talking
                        two words worth of audio is<br>
                        >> send before my other site starts
                        sending audio. Once they are both<br>
                        >> transmitting, I  have not noticed any
                        timing issues (i.e. distortion<br>
                        >> etc). I'm not sure if this issue was
                        related to what I posted<br>
                        >> previously about the variable audio
                        delay on unkey.<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> I'm running app_rpt on a Raspberry Pi
                        using a cut down image we use here<br>
                        >> in VK.<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> <a href="http://vklink.com.au"
                          rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">http://vklink.com.au</a><br>
                        >><br>
                        >><br>
                        >> "When simulcasting the audio from all
                        (non captured) transmitters needs to<br>
                        >> arrive at the receiver with in an
                        acceptable time frame (80 us). The DAC<br>
                        >> theory was that it didn't start sending
                        audio at correct clock cycle every<br>
                        >> time. That would cause the audio to be
                        out of sync between RTCMs causing<br>
                        >> simulcast distortion.<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> As I said, that was the theory. The new
                        theory is that the external clock<br>
                        >> source was causing the DAC to trigger
                        inappropriately. I spoke with<br>
                        >> someone<br>
                        >> I met here on the list (Kevin I think
                        its was) who is using a different<br>
                        >> external clock and reports perfect
                        simulcast operations"<br>
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