<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Loren,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Hamvoip.com not <a href="http://voipham.com">voipham.com</a>. Didn't know about <a href="http://voipham.com">voipham.com</a>. If I transposed the URL in one of my emails, my apologies. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:06 AM Loren Tedford <<a href="mailto:loren@lorentedford.com">loren@lorentedford.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I have been seeing some of theses posts.. But what the heck is
going on????????????</p>
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<p>Is this over the whole deal where i am degrading the product or
what ever because of my purchase of <a href="http://voipham.com" target="_blank">voipham.com</a>? I created it
originally to be a tutorial kinda page for those of us that had
trouble installing allstar link back in the day.. Yeah i know its
about 5 or 6 years old now and i haven't done much with it since
my accident in October of 2014 and sorry about that.. Also Tim I
am looking at digging a bit further into allmon will update things
eventually but was looking at making it more mobile compliant that
sort of thing and possibly locking it down with like an admin page
using MySQL database or some thing.. Just haven't gotten around to
having Mark to help me with some of that since i have forgotten
just about all of it now.</p>
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<p>Anyway still trying to figure out exactly what i missed that
started this whole political incorrectness or what ever.. <br>
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<p>Thank You all involved :) Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)<br>
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<div class="m_5680243760424914020moz-cite-prefix">On 9/18/2018 9:11 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Supermon is
based on my Allmon 2 software <a href="https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2" target="_blank">https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2</a>
which I give freely to anyone who wants it with no
restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port
Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their
total disregard for fairness. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">But it's
more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon
the knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP
took Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours
of development by countless people and closed it, ending the
path to the next level of knowledge. Think about where we'd
be if no one shared their knowledge. "We stand on the
shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be
standing on HamVoIP's shoulders. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">HamVoIP
(David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon
2. A whole lot more of that should be happening. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel
<<a href="mailto:petem001@gmail.com" target="_blank">petem001@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status
on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even
kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there
packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as
I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon,
wich I dont remember the name.
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<div dir="ltr">Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan
<<a href="mailto:buddy@brannan.name" target="_blank">buddy@brannan.name</a>> a
écrit :<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Harold,
did you get put on moderated status after daring to
question the lack of any source code release? I did. No
real skin off my nose, but still.
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<div>As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean
magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty
decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try
to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly,
our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were
it not so. <br>
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<div>On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <<a href="mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com" target="_blank">k7ilo1@gmail.com</a>>
<<a href="mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com" target="_blank">k7ilo1@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br class="m_5680243760424914020m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div class="m_5680243760424914020m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
don’t know much about them but after going
to the website, it reminded me of how I had
known about them.</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">They
private emailed me about what they were up
to after I hit this post with a question
about something that I don’t remember, but
that’s besides the point.</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The
email if I remember correctly was kind of,
in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group.</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
never pursued their website or anything else
about them since.</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It
really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this
way. I left the magnetic loop group after
expressing my feelings toward something that
was said.</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It
put down all of the people that had joined
this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC
introduced the no code technician and they
bashed the crap out of em.</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Which
I took personal because Im one of them.</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Anyway,
I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about
how political and how ham groups bash the
other. What has OUR HOBBY come to?</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Harold</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">K7ILO</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Las
Vegas, NV.</div>
<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Node
27863</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span class="m_5680243760424914020m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942Apple-converted-space"> </span>App_rpt-users
<<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org" target="_blank">app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org</a>><span class="m_5680243760424914020m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="m_5680243760424914020m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tim
Sawyer<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_5680243760424914020m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
September 16, 2018 2:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_5680243760424914020m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942Apple-converted-space"> </span>Users
of Asterisk app_rpt <<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org" target="_blank">app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_5680243760424914020m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942Apple-converted-space"> </span>[App_rpt-users]
Politics</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">There
has been a ton of inaccurate
statements by the HamVoIP
principals in numerous
posts, emails and telephone
calls regarding what
AllStarLink is up to. Before
you read the rest of this
email please take a look at
the August 16 post over on <a href="http://hamVoIP.org" target="_blank">hamVoIP.org</a>.</span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt"> </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">I
really don't want to wade
into this political BS. I
should be coding not
spending time on this BS.
Even so I've spent tons of
time behind the scenes
attempting to get folks
working together. I hesitate
to speak publicly on this
but my low key approach has
not worked. So, some false
statements must be publicly
corrected. I will address
only this particular post at
this time. </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt"> </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">First,
"The server" is not owned by
one person. The very reason
AllStarLink, Inc. was formed
is to prevent that
scenario. </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt"> </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">Second,
there is not just one
server. There are numerous
servers around the country
run by folks that donate
their time, effort and
money.</span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt"> </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">Third,
HamVoIP principals
continually imply that
AllStar was unofficially
taken over. That's just not
true. The reigns were turned
as officially as possible
given Jim's sudden death.
Jim's long time friends and
co-developers of AllStar
contacted current and past
AllStarLink board members
and made arrangements for
what you see today. </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt"> </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">Additionally,
it's true that migration to
the new servers didn't go
perfectly. But it's extreme
unfair to bash individuals
who are only attempting to
improve AllStar. Ham Radio
is about learning if it's
about anything. Making
mistakes happens as part of
the learning process. Now we
have a better system and no
one got shot as my Marine
friend used to say.</span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt"> </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18pt">The
August 16 HamVoIP statements
are divisive and only serve
to build up some individuals
at the expense of others. To
HamVoIP principals I say
enough of that crap! If you
want to build a better mouse
trap you are welcome to
that. Go for it. But don't
justify yourself by speaking
badly of others who have
nothing but good
intentions. </span></div>
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