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    <p>I have been seeing some of theses posts.. But what the heck is
      going on????????????</p>
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    <p>Is this over the whole deal where i am degrading the product or
      what ever because of my purchase of voipham.com? I created it
      originally to be a tutorial kinda page for those of us that had
      trouble installing allstar link back in the day.. Yeah i know its
      about 5 or 6 years old now and i haven't done much with it since
      my accident in October of 2014 and sorry about that.. Also Tim I
      am looking at digging a bit further into allmon will update things
      eventually but was looking at making it more mobile compliant that
      sort of thing and possibly locking it down with like an admin page
      using MySQL database or some thing.. Just haven't gotten around to
      having Mark to help me with some of that since i have forgotten
      just about all of it now.</p>
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    <p>Anyway still trying to figure out exactly what i missed that
      started this whole political incorrectness or what ever.. <br>
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    <p>Thank You all involved :) Keep up the good work!</p>
    <p>Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/18/2018 9:11 AM, Tim Sawyer wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Supermon is
            based on my Allmon 2 software <a
              href="https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/tsawyer/allmon2</a>
            which I give freely to anyone who wants it with no
            restrictions. If the HamVoIP folks told you not to port
            Supermon to Allstarlink, that further demonstrates their
            total disregard for fairness. </div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">But it's
            more than fairness. Great things in humanity are built upon
            the knowledge of others. Software is no exception. HamVoIP
            took Asterisk/AllStar/app_rpt which has thousands of hours
            of development by countless people and closed it, ending the
            path to the next level of knowledge. Think about where we'd
            be if no one shared their knowledge. "We stand on the
            shoulders of giants" is the point I'm making. No one will be
            standing on HamVoIP's shoulders.  </div>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">HamVoIP
            (David) did give back some code (a security fix) to Allmon
            2.  A whole lot more of that should be happening. </div>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:00 PM Pierre Martel
          <<a href="mailto:petem001@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">petem001@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">I had the pleasur to be in the moderated status
            on that list after asking for the source code.. I was even
            kicked out after I publicly told them I would use there
            packet of supermon to port it to allstar link. Never did as
            I dont want to agravate this with the coder of supermon,
            wich I dont remember the name. 
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            <div dir="ltr">Le lun. 17 sept. 2018 à 01:03, Buddy Brannan
              <<a href="mailto:buddy@brannan.name" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">buddy@brannan.name</a>> a
              écrit :<br>
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                style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Harold,
                did you get put on moderated status after daring to
                question the lack of any source code release? I did. No
                real skin off my nose, but still. 
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                <div>As for the magnetic loop group, do you mean
                  magloop@yahoogroups? I skim there, generally a pretty
                  decent bunch, but there’s always someone who will try
                  to ruin it for everyone. (Sigh) And so it goes. Sadly,
                  our hobby is a microcosm of society in general; were
                  it not so. <br>
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                      <div>On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:33 PM, <<a
                          href="mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">k7ilo1@gmail.com</a>>
                        <<a href="mailto:k7ilo1@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">k7ilo1@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:</div>
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                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
                            0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
                            don’t know much about them but after going
                            to the website, it reminded me of how I had
                            known about them.</div>
                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
                            0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">They
                            private emailed me about what they were up
                            to after I hit this post with a question
                            about something that I don’t remember, but
                            that’s besides the point.</div>
                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
                            0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The
                            email if I remember correctly was kind of,
                            in a way, hateful toward the asterisk group.</div>
                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
                            0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
                            never pursued their website or anything else
                            about them since.</div>
                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
                            0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It
                            really sucks that OUR HOBBY has become this
                            way.  I left the magnetic loop group after
                            expressing my feelings toward something that
                            was said.</div>
                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
                            0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It
                            put down all of the people that had joined
                            this hobby during the 90’s when the FCC
                            introduced the no code technician and they
                            bashed the crap out of em.</div>
                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
                            0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Which
                            I took personal because Im one of them.</div>
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                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                            I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in about
                            how political and how ham groups bash the
                            other.  What has OUR HOBBY come to?</div>
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                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                            Vegas, NV.</div>
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                            27863</div>
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                            <<a
                              href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org</a>><span
class="m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                              Behalf Of<span
                                class="m_-5809490133081453967m_5161763958406896942Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tim
                            Sawyer<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b><span
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                            September 16, 2018 2:11 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b><span
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                            of Asterisk app_rpt <<a
                              href="mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org</a>><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b><span
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                            Politics</div>
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                                            style="font-size:18pt">There
                                            has been a ton of inaccurate
                                            statements by the HamVoIP
                                            principals in numerous
                                            posts, emails and telephone
                                            calls regarding what
                                            AllStarLink is up to. Before
                                            you read the rest of this
                                            email please take a look at
                                            the August 16 post over on <a
                                              href="http://hamVoIP.org"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">hamVoIP.org</a>.</span></div>
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                                            really don't want to wade
                                            into this political BS. I
                                            should be coding not
                                            spending time on this BS.
                                            Even so I've spent tons of
                                            time behind the scenes
                                            attempting to get folks
                                            working together. I hesitate
                                            to speak publicly on this
                                            but my low key approach has
                                            not worked. So, some false
                                            statements must be publicly
                                            corrected. I will address
                                            only this particular post at
                                            this time. </span></div>
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                                            "The server" is not owned by
                                            one person. The very reason
                                            AllStarLink, Inc. was formed
                                            is to prevent that
                                            scenario. </span></div>
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                                            style="font-size:18pt">Second,
                                            there is not just one
                                            server. There are numerous
                                            servers around the country
                                            run by folks that donate
                                            their time, effort and
                                            money.</span></div>
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                                            style="font-size:18pt">Third,
                                            HamVoIP principals
                                            continually imply that
                                            AllStar was unofficially
                                            taken over. That's just not
                                            true. The reigns were turned
                                            as officially as possible
                                            given Jim's sudden death.
                                            Jim's long time friends and
                                            co-developers of AllStar
                                            contacted current and past
                                            AllStarLink board members
                                            and made arrangements for
                                            what you see today. </span></div>
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                                            style="font-size:18pt">Additionally,
                                            it's true that migration to
                                            the new servers didn't go
                                            perfectly. But it's extreme
                                            unfair to bash individuals
                                            who are only attempting to
                                            improve AllStar. Ham Radio
                                            is about learning if it's
                                            about anything. Making
                                            mistakes happens as part of
                                            the learning process. Now we
                                            have a better system and no
                                            one got shot as my Marine
                                            friend used to say.</span></div>
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                                            style="font-size:18pt">The
                                            August 16 HamVoIP statements
                                            are divisive and only serve
                                            to build up some individuals
                                            at the expense of others. To
                                            HamVoIP principals I say
                                            enough of that crap! If you
                                            want to build a better mouse
                                            trap you are welcome to
                                            that. Go for it. But don't
                                            justify yourself by speaking
                                            badly of others who have
                                            nothing but good
                                            intentions. </span></div>
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