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<p>It does seem the most stubborn bunch get busted. They get a nice
friendly warning and then go bigger. The FCC does not like being
lied to. That will get you NAL'd right away.<br>
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<p>I saw a beat up van in traffic in my neighborhood here in Central
Florida. It caught my eye for all the various stickers on it. So I
google it and it is owned by a Haitian businessman in south
Florida who was busted repeatedly for running a quasi commercial
pirate station. What he was doing up here I have no idea,
probably there is another illegal station here. I need to tune in.<br>
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<p>When I lived in Miami I had a Haitian guy calling me all the time
wanting to build a legal LPFM station near the Miami Airport. I
did a pro bono study for him and found only a low power slot in
Homestead ideal for Mexican demographic, but not in right place
for the Haitians. Still he called all the time, somebody told him
I could work magic or something. Nice, but no.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/12/2019 10:09 PM, Mitch Mitchell
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<p class="MsoNormal">I searched fairly extensively through NALs
for other reasons and I was struck by how hard individuals had
to work to get fined by the FCC. Frankly I would not have the
stamina. I don’t specifically remember seeing anything like
this but I was looking for other things at the time.</p>
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</b><a href="mailto:rhyolite@leikhim.com"
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<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:07 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a
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moz-do-not-send="true">Users of Asterisk app_rpt</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater
network using HAMVoIP</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am curious.
Has the FCC ever issued a fine or NAL to any GMRS operator for
linking a repeater?? I tried searching for GMRS violations
once on the EB portal and found little in the way of GMRS
violations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that.
Nothing changed. Peoples interpretation of what they would
like to hear and see is the only thing that did change. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If any
part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in
violation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">561-334-6494<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That and if its cable internet
the Telco argument is a moot point since that is not
regulated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From what I remember, they
didn't want you bypassing the long distance
carriers by putting telephone calls over the
radio connecting a local call to RF and
terminating to another local call on the far
end. Once IP network is involved, the
underlying physical network architecture isn't
relevant. Lots of outdated rules still on
the books.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM
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app_rpt <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re:
[App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network
using HAMVoIP <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it’s hooked to a telco
it’s illegal. If you have DSL or landline or any
part of the system touches a telco then the
whole system is deemed illegal. <br>
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All the best, John Heron<br>
561-334-6494<br>
<a href="mailto:jh0932@gmail.com"
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> On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, <a
href="mailto:fwbray@mminternet.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fwbray@mminternet.com</a>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Just to clarify, my comments only had to do
with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits
transmission of any audio received via
"wireline" from a remote source, such as a
voting receiver. It didn't concern the wisdom
or other issues that impact the legality of
linking or whether one can set up a node where
the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same
"wireline" link that carries the audio.<br>
> <br>
> The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate.
While there are technical ways of dealing with
some of them -- such as lock-out receivers --
many people who set up links might not implement
them. If one wants to set up a linked system,
one should take all necessary steps to make sure
that it operates legally. However, with any
repeater, there's no guarantee that all repeater
users will be able to hear all local users in
the coverage area who might be using low power
simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur radio
systems.<br>
> <br>
> I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would
want to depend upon an Internet linked system if
they thought it through. Unless you are using
independent RF links under your own control,
VoIP isn't a very robust system during a
calamity.<br>
> <br>
> KE6CD<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk
wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Here is a MAJOR problem....<br>
>> "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station
is to LISTEN in carrier<br>
>> squelch before transmitting. Since this
transmission does not extend<br>
>> over the VoIP circuit, distant stations
can transmit on top of other<br>
>> local stations, not knowing they are on
the channel.To be fully<br>
>> compliant, each GMRS node would have to
listen on the channel for<br>
>> activity BEFORE keying up!<br>
>> All it would take is a written
complaint against a linked GMRS machine<br>
>> to result in a violation, a NAL and a
cease and desist letter.<br>
>> Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant
linking to fulfill it's<br>
>> purpose. I know the "Preppers" and
"Save the world" types are going to<br>
>> disagree....but thats the way it is.<br>
> <br>
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