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    <div class="moz-forward-container">I am curious. Has the FCC ever
      issued a fine or NAL to any GMRS operator for linking a repeater??
      I tried searching for GMRS violations once on the EB portal and
      found little in the way of GMRS violations.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/12/2019 9:45 PM, John Heron
        wrote:<br>
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        Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples
        interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the
        only thing that did change. 
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        <div>If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in
          violation.<br>
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            <div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">All
                the best, John Heron</span></div>
            <div>561-334-6494</div>
            <div><a href="mailto:jh0932@gmail.com"
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            On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <<a
              href="mailto:kc2irv@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">kc2irv@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="auto">That and if its cable internet the Telco
                argument is a moot point since that is not regulated.</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM
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                    <div>From what I remember,  they didn't want you
                      bypassing the long distance carriers by putting
                      telephone calls over the radio connecting a local
                      call to RF and terminating to another local call
                      on the far end.  Once IP network is involved,  the
                      underlying physical network architecture isn't
                      relevant.   Lots of outdated rules still on the
                      books.</div>
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                        dir="auto">Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an
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                      <div>-------- Original message --------</div>
                      <div>From: John Heron <<a
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                      <div>Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00) </div>
                      <div>To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <<a
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                      <div>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked
                        Repeater network using HAMVoIP </div>
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                    If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have
                    DSL or landline or any part of the system touches a
                    telco then the whole system is deemed illegal. <br>
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                    All the best, John Heron<br>
                    561-334-6494<br>
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                    > On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, <a
                      href="mailto:fwbray@mminternet.com"
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                    wrote:<br>
                    > <br>
                    > Just to clarify, my comments only had to do
                    with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission
                    of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote
                    source, such as a voting receiver.  It didn't
                    concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the
                    legality of linking or whether one can set up a node
                    where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the
                    same "wireline" link that carries the audio.<br>
                    > <br>
                    > The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate.
                    While there are technical ways of dealing with some
                    of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people
                    who set up links might not implement them.  If one
                    wants to set up a linked system, one should take all
                    necessary steps to make sure that it operates
                    legally.  However, with any repeater, there's no
                    guarantee that all repeater users will be able to
                    hear all local users in the coverage area who might
                    be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist
                    with amateur radio systems.<br>
                    > <br>
                    > I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to
                    depend upon an Internet linked system if they
                    thought it through.  Unless you are using
                    independent RF links under your own control, VoIP
                    isn't a very robust system during a calamity.<br>
                    > <br>
                    > KE6CD<br>
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                    >> On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:<br>
                    >> <br>
                    >> Here is a MAJOR problem....<br>
                    >> "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is
                    to LISTEN in carrier<br>
                    >> squelch before transmitting. Since this
                    transmission does not extend<br>
                    >> over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can
                    transmit on top of other<br>
                    >> local stations, not knowing they are on the
                    channel.To be fully<br>
                    >> compliant, each GMRS node would have to
                    listen on the channel for<br>
                    >> activity BEFORE keying up!<br>
                    >> All it would take is a written complaint
                    against a linked GMRS machine<br>
                    >> to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease
                    and desist letter.<br>
                    >> Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant
                    linking to fulfill it's<br>
                    >> purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save
                    the world" types are going to<br>
                    >> disagree....but thats the way it is.<br>
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