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<div class="moz-forward-container">I am curious. Has the FCC ever
issued a fine or NAL to any GMRS operator for linking a repeater??
I tried searching for GMRS violations once on the EB portal and
found little in the way of GMRS violations.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/12/2019 9:45 PM, John Heron
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Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples
interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the
only thing that did change.
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<div>If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in
violation.<br>
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On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <<a
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<div dir="auto">That and if its cable internet the Telco
argument is a moot point since that is not regulated.</div>
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<div>From what I remember, they didn't want you
bypassing the long distance carriers by putting
telephone calls over the radio connecting a local
call to RF and terminating to another local call
on the far end. Once IP network is involved, the
underlying physical network architecture isn't
relevant. Lots of outdated rules still on the
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<div>Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00) </div>
<div>To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <<a
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<div>Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked
Repeater network using HAMVoIP </div>
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If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have
DSL or landline or any part of the system touches a
telco then the whole system is deemed illegal. <br>
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> On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, <a
href="mailto:fwbray@mminternet.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">fwbray@mminternet.com</a>
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> Just to clarify, my comments only had to do
with whether § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission
of any audio received via "wireline" from a remote
source, such as a voting receiver. It didn't
concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the
legality of linking or whether one can set up a node
where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the
same "wireline" link that carries the audio.<br>
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> The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate.
While there are technical ways of dealing with some
of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many people
who set up links might not implement them. If one
wants to set up a linked system, one should take all
necessary steps to make sure that it operates
legally. However, with any repeater, there's no
guarantee that all repeater users will be able to
hear all local users in the coverage area who might
be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist
with amateur radio systems.<br>
> <br>
> I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to
depend upon an Internet linked system if they
thought it through. Unless you are using
independent RF links under your own control, VoIP
isn't a very robust system during a calamity.<br>
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> KE6CD<br>
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>> On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:<br>
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>> Here is a MAJOR problem....<br>
>> "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is
to LISTEN in carrier<br>
>> squelch before transmitting. Since this
transmission does not extend<br>
>> over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can
transmit on top of other<br>
>> local stations, not knowing they are on the
channel.To be fully<br>
>> compliant, each GMRS node would have to
listen on the channel for<br>
>> activity BEFORE keying up!<br>
>> All it would take is a written complaint
against a linked GMRS machine<br>
>> to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease
and desist letter.<br>
>> Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant
linking to fulfill it's<br>
>> purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save
the world" types are going to<br>
>> disagree....but thats the way it is.<br>
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