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<p>John, Brad;</p>
<p>95.1749 is clearly a green light on network connection.</p>
<p>95.1745 appears to be a green light as well. However some folks
will twist "may be operated" to be limited to turning the TX on
and Off. Funny, I have a ham radio "Operators" license and it
allows me to use voice mode. My DMV Operators license allows me to
drive a car, I am not limited to turning the engine on and off.</p>
<p>Some folks will point to this (below) and say that you can only
use the internet to turn on and off the repeater.<br>
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<p><span id="a_8" class="enumxml">95.1733 Prohibited GMRS uses: (8)</span>
Messages which are both conveyed by a wireline control link and <a
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href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=48a87e5c08caa689a51b8a364e509d5d&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:47:Chapter:I:Subchapter:D:Part:95:Subpart:E:95.1733">transmitted</a>
by a <a class="colorbox-load definedterm"
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station;.. This is a remnant of a very old rule dating back to an
era where a "Control Operator" was a requirement for a repeater.
Just as in Part 97, a positive method of turning off the "station"
was required. Automatic control rendered that requirement
obsolete. This remnant is a scriveners error. <br>
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<p>I questioned this during the comment period of the recent NPRM
and the FCC chose to shelve it because they had no time to
research it. Unfortunately the FCC has been losing a lot of
institutional knowledge as to why a rule existed in the first
place which is why this remnant exists in the first place. I can
cite a similar example from the archives. I am doing some research
in my spare time to find where this rule branched from and why.<br>
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Bottom line; there has NEVER been any NAL or warning issued to any
GMRS licensee for linking a GMRS repeater. Linking has been going on
in some form or fashion for decades. In the 80's the GMRS systems in
Chicago had satellite receivers. They were linked by some method.
Search for yourself. None, nada.<br>
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The rate of FCC Enforcement Bureau activities against GMRS licensees
has been minuscule compared to Part 97 and Part 90. Either GMRS
licensees are very obedient or the FCC does not have GMRS on a
priority. <br>
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As far as a DSL <u>miscreant</u> on an otherwise compliant GMRS
network. If you have 10 or 30 repeaters linked and one of those
repeater operators happens to be using DSL, the others are under no
obligation to police each other. Do you police every GMRS licensee
who uses your repeater as to the Type Certification of their
equipment? You might remind them, but you don't have to police that
activity.<br>
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In my opinion 95.1745 and 95.1749 clearly indicate the FCC's intent
to permit internet linking. Why else would they have gone to the
effort to carve out those exceptions? <br>
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As far as the HamVoip thing I am very curious as to this whole
thing. Is there a possibly a disinterested 3rd party who can explain
this all in a separate thread? I am intrigued in how an individual
choosing one over the other has personally "pirated" anything. It
would seem that that legal argument rests between those distributing
the free software not the end user. <br>
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"Why can't we all get along". - Rodney King<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/2019 9:42 AM, John Heron wrote:<br>
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Has anything been settled with HamVoIP as an attempt to run off
with Jim’s work? As of this date I do not believe it has been.
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<div>In a shared repeater/simplex channel environment, it is
always good to be able to monitor the input before keying up a
repeater. In a linked system that’s not possible unless you do
the BCLO in each repeater. Never saw that work out too well
mixed mode.</div>
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<div>So if you have an organized group or club engaged in linking
GMRS repeaters together and one of them is in violation related
to telco, does that mean the collective network is 9/10 legal?</div>
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On Feb 17, 2019, at 4:35 PM, Brad Trogdon <<a
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<div dir="auto">Reviewing this thread I need to ask for
clarification as it appears some comments are ill
informed or are seeding to "stir a pot".</div>
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<div dir="auto"><b>John Heron</b>: "<i>Bad news of
pirated software</i>"... cannot find a prior post or
comment. What pirated software are you referring? Who
is using pirated software and what are they doing that
is in violation of any rule? Lastly what rule are they
in violation of?</div>
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<div dir="auto"><b>Kirk Just Kirk</b>: "<i>GMRS is a
shared Channel. Users must monitor before they
transmit</i>". If repeaters are linked then any and
all traffic within range of one repeater is heard and
transmitted to all others which may be networked. In
the event the stations are simplex or low power their is
no fault if a repeater user talks and is not able to
hear the distant station. Your argument seems you
believe GMRS Repeaters are illegal themselves and not
simply because they may be networked. Simplex
communications is very short distance. Repeater
communication itsself could be over a hundred miles even
without networking. The FCC allocated eight (8)
repeater frequencies and if they are used correctly the
unfortunate act of a repeater transmitting over non
repeater users is a fault of the user not selecting one
of the many other frequencies that are available to
them. </div>
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<div dir="auto"><b>John Heron</b>: "<i>If its hooked to a
telco its illegal</i>". Is it known that anything
GMRS is connected to Telco? If 10 Repeaters are
networked and 1 of 10 is connected to telco provided
internet I.e. DSL the infraction is on the one (1)
offender not the other nine (9) whom are not. Other
than inspection of the physical connections how can one
review or confirm that telco connections exist? Please
point to the rule that defines one offender results in
all participants being in violation of a rule?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks everyone for your thoughtful and
courteous replies. </div>
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<div dir="auto">For transparency I own a wide coverage
GMRS repeater that is 100% compliant with the FCC rules.
It has networking capabilities and Coverage of ~100
miles as it located at 4,000' in the Blue Ridge
mountains of North Carolina.</div>
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<div dir="auto">-Brad Trogdon W4INT / WQTG303</div>
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