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<p>I am not sure that the PSTN or (North America numbering plan)
NANP even exist in the regulatory world of the FCC today. A reread
of the current rules finds those definitions no longer exist. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/2019 1:05 PM, Pierre Martel
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<div>So from what I can understand. you can link them if the
method to link is not connected to a pstn line. Now If I am
not too crazy, that would mean that a user that have only a
dsl line on site could link by RF (using an wifi access point
and a wifi client network card ) to by pass the
interconnection to the pstn.. So it is very easy to not be
connected to a pstn network. The othe part aboit
interconnected voip system. It is easy to build a voip system
that have no link to any pstn network (allstarlink being one)
But it is as easy to connect that voip system to a pstn
system. Grey is predominant in that situation.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 18 févr. 2019 à 12:20,
Brad Trogdon <<a href="mailto:Brad@trogdon.org"
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<div>Thank you for the reply but you provide no answers
to my very specific questions. <br>
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<div>Please see my reply to your questions and comments
noted by ">>>"</div>
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Has anything been settled with HamVoIP as an attempt
to run off with Jim’s work? As of this date I do not
believe it has been.
<div>>>> What does HamVoIP have to do with
the linking of GMRS Repeaters? <br>
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<div>In a shared repeater/simplex channel environment,
it is always good to be able to monitor the input
before keying up a repeater. In a linked system
that’s not possible unless you do the BCLO in each
repeater. Never saw that work out too well mixed
mode.</div>
<div>>>> Not sure you understand how radios
work. If a station is strong / close enough to the
repeater to be heard then they are otherwise the
users of the repeater users will talk over the
"Unheard users". <br>
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<div><a
href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/95.1749"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/95.1749</a></div>
<div>>>> Cornell is not the authority.
Federal Register in its entirety is <a
href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/08/29/2017-17395/personal-radio-service-reform#sectno-citation-%E2%80%8995.1701"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/08/29/2017-17395/personal-radio-service-reform#sectno-citation-%E2%80%8995.1701</a>
. The URL which you provided references "
telephone connection is prohibited". What leads you
to believe that telephone is connected? In my
specific situation Telco is not even connected to
the building. So no chance of violation.<br>
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<div>So if you have an organized group or club engaged
in linking GMRS repeaters together and one of them
is in violation related to telco, does that mean the
collective network is 9/10 legal?</div>
<div>>>> 1. GMRS Repeater linking as an
ability or practice is not an "Organized Group". 2.
No, the one person is the offender not the others
whom are in compliance. Its against the rules to
use foul language on radio frequencies. If another
station is and you hear it but don't reciprocate
does that make you and offender of the rules? No
and that logic is silly if you believe true. <br>
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<div>>>> Are you questioning your local GMRS
folks whom are charging for access (Membership) to
their closed system that is using apt_rpt
(AllStar)? <b
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style="margin:0px;color:rgb(255,0,0)"><a
href="http://www.northgeorgiagmrs.com/"
style="margin:0px;background:rgba(0,0,0,0)
none repeat scroll 0%
0%;text-decoration:none;color:rgb(29,98,179)"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.NorthGeorgiaGMRS.com</a></span></b>
is a single organized group of 30 GMRS Linked
repeaters. I'm not a betting person but I would
venture to guess that DSL is in the mix.</div>
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<div><<< FCC Correspondence via email on the
topic. >>><br>
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Id: HD0000002998556<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
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Summary: Licensing Requirements<br
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Description: There seems to be a lot of confusion as to
whether linking the audio of two or more GMRS repeaters
via an internet connection is permitted or prohibited
under the part 95 rules.<br
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Could we please get some sort of clarification as to
whether this is a strictly prohibited action per part 95
rules?<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
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Thank you.<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
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Solution Description: Dear Mr. *******,<br
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GMRS stations may not be interconnected to the public
switched telephone network as per 95.127. However,
proposing to use a VoIP link between the two repeater
sites is permissible if the link is considered
non-interconnected VoIP. VoIP can either be an
interconnected VoIP service or non-interconnected VoIP
service, see the definitions below. It is my
understanding that if your internet provider is the
cable company, it’s fine; but if you have DSL or dial-up
internet from the phone company, it isn’t.<br
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The second method using RF to link the two repeater
sites is allowed so long as the link meets the rules and
limitations for fixed stations pursuant to the Part 95
rules.<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
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§64.601<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
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(23) Non-interconnected VoIP service. The term
“non-interconnected VoIP service”—<br
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<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
(i) Means a service that—<br
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(A) Enables real-time voice communications that
originate from or terminate to the user's location using
Internet protocol or any successor protocol; and<br
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(B) Requires Internet protocol compatible customer
premises equipment; and<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
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(ii) Does not include any service that is an
interconnected VoIP service.<br
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§9.3<span> </span><br style="box-sizing:border-box">
<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
Interconnected VoIP service. An interconnected Voice
over Internet protocol (VoIP) service is a service that:<br
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(1) Enables real-time, two-way voice communications;<br
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(2) Requires a broadband connection from the user's
location;<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
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(3) Requires Internet protocol-compatible customer
premises equipment (CPE); and<br
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(4) Permits users generally to receive calls that
originate on the public switched telephone network and
to terminate calls to the public switched telephone
network.<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
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The rules may be found at the following website:<span> </span><a
href="https://www.fcc.gov/general/rules-regulations-title-47"
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Should you have any further questions, or need
additional information, please submit a request through<span> </span><a
href="https://esupport.fcc.gov/onlinerequest.htm"
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call the FCC Licensing Support Center at 1-877-480-3201,
selecting option 2 after the main menu.<br
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Sincerely,<br style="box-sizing:border-box">
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FCC Licensing Support Center</span></div>
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