<div dir="ltr">Sorry for the delay. It's impossible to get electronic components locally anymore.<div><br></div><div>The 2N2222 did it.</div><div><br></div><div>Wiremap looks like this:</div><div><br></div><div>URI  ---------------------------------------------------> MASTR III</div><div><br></div><div>Pin 1 ---------------------------------------------------> P2 - 14</div><div>Pin 8 -> Collector of NPN</div><div>Pin 13 -------------------------------------------------> P5 - 12</div><div>Pin 21 -------------------------------------------------> P5 - 10</div><div>Pin 22 -------------------------------------------------> P2 - 8<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_7853027584381267951gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>NPN -----------------------------------------> MASTR III</div><div><br></div><div>Base ------ > 47k OHM Resistor ----> P5 - 20 (or P5-17 is you're not using CTCSS)</div><div>Emitter ------------------------------------> P2 - 2</div><div><br></div><div>Reference - <a href="http://www.repeater-builder.com/ge/mastr3/m3-ctrl/m3-ctrl.html">http://www.repeater-builder.com/ge/mastr3/m3-ctrl/m3-ctrl.html</a></div><div><br></div><div><div><img src="cid:ii_jthgmy612" alt="image.png" width="562" height="294"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><img src="cid:ii_jthgl08l0" alt="image.png" width="562" height="469"><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><img src="cid:ii_jthgl6bs1" alt="image.png" width="562" height="350"><br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Thank you for all the help.</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">--Bret Taylor<div>Olympia School District</div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 7:00 AM Bret Taylor <<a href="mailto:bmtaylor@osd.wednet.edu" target="_blank">bmtaylor@osd.wednet.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thank you for the information. It is a URIx<div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_7853027584381267951gmail-m_2313492049887153627gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">--Bret Taylor<div>Olympia School District</div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 5:32 AM Kevin Custer <<a href="mailto:kuggie@kuggie.com" target="_blank">kuggie@kuggie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div class="gmail-m_7853027584381267951gmail-m_2313492049887153627gmail-m_289715978928308540moz-cite-prefix">I apologize - this is long, but it's
      necessary (I think)? <br>
      <br>
      The COS and PL "hardware" logic inputs on the radio adapter were
      originally the volume-up and volume-down functions, actuated by
      manual (push button tactile) switches in a standard audio adapter
      (FOB).  These inputs are internally pulled high, to 3.3 V, and
      have to be pulled low enough to become valid.  As such the
      push-button switches made a good ground when depressed, as that's
      what the other side of the switch was tied to - ground.  Most
      AllStar radio adapters use protection diodes (BAT-43's) that don't
      allow voltage to be sent into the CM1XX chip.  If voltage is
      allowed to be inputted to these pins, the chip is destroyed. So -
      with the diodes in place, it doesn't matter what voltage is
      present on the COS or CTCSS hardware inputs, because voltage on
      these pins doesn't make anything happen, and because of the
      protection diodes, doesn't hurt anything if voltage is present.<br clear="none">
      <br clear="none">
      Okay, so the CM108/119's logic inputs are looking for a ground to
      be valid.  This "active low" condition is required NO MATTER if
      the setting in the conf file is upright or inverted.  So - the
      setting in the configuration file doesn't change the fact that the
      adapter needs an active low to be valid and assert the condition. 
      All this software setting does is change if the low condition
      exists when the radio is hearing a valid signal, or when it's
      not.  Using a DMM, you can read the voltage on the CM119 side of
      the BAT-43 diodes to see if the logic level is properly changing
      from 3.3 to 0.0 (or a few tenths of a volt). <br clear="none">
      <br clear="none">
      Not all radio logic signals are created equal.  Some logic
      circuits can source current, but lack the ability to sink. 
      Sometimes active high circuits (circuits that provide a voltage
      when the state becomes active) don't have the ability to pull to
      ground very well. These circuits may not have the capability to
      pull the COS and CTCSS inputs low enough on the radio adapter to
      become valid/active.  A pull-down resistor can help, but nothing
      beats a real active low circuit.  A 2N2222 (or similar NPN
      transistor) with the emitter grounded usually works well. Use the
      collector to feed logic to the radio adapter and use a suitable
      bias resistor to the base.  Of course, if you happen to find a
      place that goes to ground when the receiver is active (or vice
      versa), it should work as-is, again, as long as it's active low. 
      The resistor can be any wattage 1/8 watt or higher. Its value
      isn't critical either, a 1k to 47k would likely be acceptable.<br>
      <br>
      Is the radio adapter a URI, URIx, or URIxB?<br clear="none">
      <br clear="none">
      Hope this helps..<br clear="none">
      <br clear="none">
      Kevin W3KKC<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 3/11/2019 8:19 AM, Bret Taylor wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Marshall is correct, and Marshall has helped me
        with this project as well.... Thank you Marshall. 
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        <div>I suspect there has to be an underlying configuration file
          still. It's still Debian under the hood. If I can get to it,
          and modify it... that is still to be seen.</div>
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        <div>What wattage does the 47k ohm resistor need to be? 1/8,
          1/4, 1/2, 1, 2? Does it matter? Ditto on the NPN transistor.
          It sucks radio shack doesn't exist anymore, it's now a pain to
          find the components locally.</div>
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        <div>Thanks</div>
        <div><br clear="all">
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              <div dir="ltr">--Bret Taylor
                <div>Olympia School District</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 10:54
          PM Marshall Oldham <<a href="mailto:ke6pcv@cal-net.org" target="_blank">ke6pcv@cal-net.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US">
            <div class="gmail-m_7853027584381267951gmail-m_2313492049887153627gmail-m_289715978928308540gmail-m_1055963262346949359WordSection1">
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">FYI,
                </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">He
                  is not using app_rpt software with the URI, he is
                  using the Bridgecom MV-iL hardware with a URI to
                  interface to his GE Mastr III</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So
                  he can not set CORFROM=uisbinvert in software config.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">73
                </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Marshall
                </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                      App_rpt-users [mailto:<a href="mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org" target="_blank">app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>REDBUTTON_CTRL<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 09, 2019 5:24 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org" target="_blank">app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [App_rpt-users] GE Mastr III
                      and DMK USB-URI</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Bret, one thing to know about the URI
                is that the COR input line (pin 8) requires a signal
                transition to pull to ground. This is different that a
                signal that sources voltage and goes low. the URI has
                internal pullup resistors so it doesn't look for voltage
                change.<br>
                <br>
                So what this means is if the CAS/COR out line on the
                Master III does not pull to ground when it goes low, the
                URI will not see a signal change. The URI has a dc
                blocking diode on its input. So it needs to see a signal
                that either goes low when the receiver is active or when
                it is inactive.<br>
                <br>
                If the Master III CAS/COR is active hi then I suggest
                you connect the CAS/COR through a 47K resistor then to
                the base of an NPN transistor. Then connect the
                collector to pin 8 on the URI and connect the emitter to
                gorund. This will invert the CAS/COR signal and give an
                open collector that goes to ground on receiver activity.<br>
                <br>
                Then in the Allstar node set the CORFROM=usbinvert.<br>
                <br>
                This means the URI will be looking for a signal to
                ground pin 8. then audio will be sent through the
                system.<br>
                <br>
                Hope this helps.<br>
                <br>
                Regards, <br>
                <br>
                Jon VA3RQ<br>
                <br>
                On 3/9/2019 8:26 AM, Bret Taylor wrote: </p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">"What channel driver are you
                      running?  This will determine what sort of audio<br>
                      you need from the system and where squelch is
                      performed." </p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">I'm using a Bridgecom MV-i1
                        to drive the URI - <a href="https://www.bridgecomsystems.com/collections/tl-net/products/mv-1" target="_blank">https://www.bridgecomsystems.com/collections/tl-net/products/mv-1</a></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">I don't know exactly what is
                        under the hood. Their "OS" is called TL-Net. But
                        under that is Raspbian. I have a network of TRBO
                        repeaters that the MV-i1 taps into through IP
                        Site Connect.</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">I'm trying to bridge the TRBO
                        repeaters to this Mastr III base station. I've
                        already created a cable using the info from <a href="http://www.repeater-builder.com/ge/mastr3/m3-ctrl/m3-ctrl.html" target="_blank">http://www.repeater-builder.com/ge/mastr3/m3-ctrl/m3-ctrl.html</a></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">I created a bridge group in
                        TL-Net to bridge the analog interface to IPSC
                        masters. I can PTT on a DMR programmed to the
                        correct Call Group, and hear it on a Analog
                        radio tuned to the Mastr III frequency.  But I
                        can not hear the Analog radios return, it
                        doesn't seem to trigger the URI.<br clear="all">
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">If I use pin 8 on the
                              URI (active low) and connect it to P5-17,
                              or P5-20 (COR & CTCSS both Active
                              High) on the Mastr III backplane, the URI
                              goes into a broadcast storm. Using any of
                              the optional pins for COR (2 & 3 both
                              listed as active high) nothing happens. I
                              suspect since these are GPIO, the
                              configuration (for the URI?) is
                              incorrect. </p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">I know the URI works,
                              as I was able to use it to drive an
                              XPR5550e programmed to the analog
                              frequency of the Mastr III. It's just not
                              the best situation to run it like that.
                              You clearly hear dispatch, but since I'm
                              not tapped onto the return path of the
                              antenna connected to the Mastr III, the
                              mobiles response clarity is dependent on
                              the proximity to the antenna of the
                              XPR5550e.</p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">"Double check your
                              programing too, as the Mastr III IO is
                              based on programing.</p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> You'll need to ensure
                            you have your de-empahsis and pre-emphasis
                            setup<br>
                            properly too."</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">I do not have the Mastr
                              III programming software (and can't seem
                              to find it anywhere). Another user in this
                              list says he has it, but it searching for
                              it. So, I have no idea how it's
                              programmed. It's possible the backplane
                              connecters for audio out are disabled? </p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your help. </p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">--Bret Taylor </p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Olympia School
                                District</p>
                            </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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