<div><div dir="auto">I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why does the source matter? </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <<a href="mailto:w0jrl1@gmail.com">w0jrl1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Yes... I agree with him.
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On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Not sure of your beef but from a users
perspective having tried both<br>
AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands
down the<br>
HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the
communities in the<br>
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form<br>
<blockquote type="cite">of product, updates and support.<br>
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Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.<br>
<br>
The better question; what does he have to hide?<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the
AllStar community, but has stolen<br>
much<br>
from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code
and is<br>
engaged<br>
in criminal copyright infringement against this community.
This is<br>
trampling<br>
on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond
reprehensible.<br>
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Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP
distribution I<br>
feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and
feature rich<br>
version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of
use which I<br>
don’t see occurring.<br>
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<br>
AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the
GPL version<br>
2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone,
you must<br>
give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right
to it.<br>
<br>
John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance
with the<br>
license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to
distribute it, and<br>
people with copies of his software have been given copies
illegally.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">How are developers and users being
negatively impacted? I see nothing but<br>
users and developers benefiting.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes
to the code.<br>
This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed
this.<br>
<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Do you condone this?<br>
</blockquote>
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From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich
software,<br>
yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived. </blockquote>
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Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit
his code in<br>
something more than a disassembler.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">I appreciate their hard work and<br>
constant support to where I personally have donated when given
the<br>
opportunity.<br>
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<br>
All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on
name. Is this<br>
hard? Certainly not.<br>
<br>
Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Their are more than Amateur usage of this
tool. GMRS for example how would<br>
that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for
personal and<br>
private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the
spirit of<br>
the applications creator?<br>
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<br>
It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however
this requires<br>
the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same
license.<br>
If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD
licensed. I<br>
won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first
work he did on<br>
the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for
collaboration.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">I would work on fixing the problem
Proactively and not flame others who<br>
are<br>
<blockquote type="cite">providing a service to the community
at large.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's
unable to<br>
abide<br>
by the basic tenets of the community?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I believe I have answered the question of service and
contributions.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community
and has<br>
support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over.
It's sad.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and
white-papers. When you refer to<br>
the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be
compared<br>
to a HOA? </blockquote>
<br>
I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community
is based on<br>
freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is
the GPL and<br>
it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP
has turned<br>
their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.<br>
<br>
You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather
your<br>
cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Again from my perspective they are
providing assistance, support<br>
and product to a global community and are being picked on by a
group of<br>
disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What
more can I<br>
say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Not sure if you saw my follow-up post
previously but your dashboard was<br>
reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether
from your<br>
computer.<br>
<br>
I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's
teet.<br>
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