<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The AllStar branding did come later. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The AllStar brand started when the infrastructure (portal, registration, IP distribution and ham network) came to be as embodied in <a href="http://allstarlink.org">allstarlink.org</a>. Back then AllStar was the ham network and app_rpt was the Asterisk application. I still like that delineation because anyone can use app_rpt (such as GMRS) but only hams can use the AllStar network. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Water under the bridge, it's all AllStar now. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:37 AM Steve L <<a href="mailto:kb9mwr@gmail.com">kb9mwr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I won't go so far as to suggest there could be something nefarious in<br>
the compiled hamvoip code. That is something that really on concerns<br>
me with big corporations like Sony Rootkit scandal. Here we just have<br>
two groups of people who don't see eye-to eye.<br>
<br>
The bigger problem is the folks (user base/end users) that don't see<br>
the benefit of open source<br>
<br>
Well I will share the reason I moved to Allstar (or more specifically<br>
App_rpt at the time, because I think the Allstar branding came later)<br>
from the IRLP platform was IRLP suffered the same lack of source<br>
issues. And I am no appliance operator. I can only be satisfied so<br>
long being and end user. I wanted to modify things, change things<br>
that that the closed IRLP platform wouldn't allow me to. Allstar<br>
became the answer to my prayers.<br>
<br>
Sure Hamvoip can be a good place to start, but if you are like many<br>
you will be unsatisfied at some point later. Then there is the whole<br>
what happens if some dies (like Jim did) or pulls the plug? In an<br>
opensource environment, the project can live on, like it has. In the<br>
closed source case, not so much.<br>
<br>
Same reasons I moved away from DD-WRT (no source code) and favored Tomato.<br>
<br>
Same reason AMBE bugs the heck out of me...<br>
<br>
Aside from a good number of documents that the Hamvoip guy have out<br>
there, I don't see how the project gives back to the community, other<br>
than by providing something geared for appliance folks.<br>
<br>
Ham radio is and always has been a work together thing.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:07 PM David McGough <<a href="mailto:kb4fxc@inttek.net" target="_blank">kb4fxc@inttek.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> You forgot to mention that "secret spy" software included in the HamVoIP<br>
> release is designed to dampen the Sun's double-oscillator, throwing it<br>
> completely out of phase. With each new HamVoIP node deployed, the effect<br>
> becomes more pronounced, ultimately causing a Maunder Sunspot Minimum.<br>
> This, of course, is to the HamVoIP advantage, since no sunspots means even<br>
> more hams will need AllStar for communications. Which, in turn, dampens<br>
> the Sun even more.<br>
><br>
> A movie is already in production. In this remake of the classic 1962<br>
> thriller "Dr. No," SPECTRE is replaced SPARKY, AKA: John David McGough, as<br>
> the Arch villain (running Arch Linux, of course). In a twist of the plot<br>
> from the original movie, SKYNET is accidentally created by huge Raspberry<br>
> Pi cluster, leading to world domination.<br>
><br>
><br>
> ....LMAO....<br>
><br>
><br>
> 73, David KB4FXC<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Pierre Martel wrote:<br>
><br>
> > My message to the people that want this to be done in private, I say. It is<br>
> > already in private, Private communication between the people that have<br>
> > business in a matter is exactly what we are doing. We are ALL parts of that<br>
> > thing.<br>
> ><br>
> > Anyone that think they are not being affected by this is so wrong. The<br>
> > other distro could be playing with how the registration is being done and<br>
> > could be the responsible for the registration failling.. But since they<br>
> > wont release the source of the code we cant say, and first thing we know,<br>
> > the user thinks it is the coder here that are responsible.. Open source are<br>
> > exactly for that.<br>
> ><br>
> > It can be a simple tactic to force the user base that use that distro into<br>
> > moving to a new type of registration and splitting the community in half..<br>
> > this would not even be far fetched.<br>
> ><br>
> > There is a saying in french that goes like this ( open translation sorry if<br>
> > it is not ok) There is no better way to justify the killing your dog then<br>
> > telling it has rabies. So making registration unreliable in there version<br>
> > is about the best way to push a split by offering a "better" solution.<br>
> > Again, there is no way to check this as they dont publish the source..<br>
> ><br>
> > It is not the first time in open source software that this happen, SDR#<br>
> > used to be open source, but lots of people started publishing binaries with<br>
> > dirty hacks and other gizmo that was making the software unstable. The main<br>
> > programer got tired of this and closed back the source ( he always kept the<br>
> > IP to himself , never released the source under GPL). And now, even if he<br>
> > still works on his project and we still have the software, the day he<br>
> > decide to stop producing it, we all loose... And if the source would be<br>
> > available, maybe some new coder could build on what he done and we would<br>
> > all gain from this.. But nope, some ass holes broke this for ALL of us.<br>
> ><br>
> > We are still lucky that many good programer are still maintening and<br>
> > upgrading that software..<br>
> ><br>
> > But letting things go as they are right now will only lead to a pit fall.<br>
> ><br>
> > Like some meme photo we all see on social media, ITs because of that we<br>
> > cant have nice things..<br>
> ><br>
> > Pierre<br>
> > VE2PF<br>
> ><br>
> > P.s. Just in case it is not clear.. The other distro leader are the worst<br>
> > thing that could happen to allstarlink.<br>
> ><br>
><br>
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