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I have NOTHING to do with the politics of what is going on. I'm
simply a user asking what happened to the AllStarLink repository.
And, I'm still waiting for a answer.<br>
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Steve N4IRS<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/30/20 10:44 PM, Skyler F wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">politics politics politics
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<div>why can't we all be friends and work together?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 6:52
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<div> I understand that, my question is why was it "moved" and
not forked. I setup the AllStarLink github account as part
of AllStarLink. No matter what pttlink does the resource is
AllStarLink.<br>
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Steve N4IRS <br>
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<div>On 12/30/20 8:46 PM, Andrew Sylthe wrote:<br>
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<div>It appears to have been moved to <a
href="https://github.com/pttlink/Asterisk"
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at 7:43 PM Steve Zingman <<a
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Stacy,<br>
Do you know why the AllStarLink <<a
href="https://github.com/AllStarLink"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/AllStarLink</a>>
github <br>
repositories are gone? Was this part of the actions of
the board?<br>
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Steve N4IRS<br>
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On 12/30/20 8:06 PM, Stacy wrote:<br>
> A bit on this change:<br>
><br>
> Nobody on the admin side that runs what was the
AllStarLink (ASL)<br>
> infrastructure (now PTTLink) was ever informed
this was going to<br>
> happen. Yesterday afternoon (12/29/20) at around
5:00 PM (Pacific) our<br>
> monitoring system started going crazy with alerts
telling us systems<br>
> were down. Investigation showed that the SOA
record for <a href="http://allstarlink.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">allstarlink.org</a><br>
> was changed to what it is now (Cloudflare) and
this broke numerous<br>
> things. Both the wording and timing of this
announcement is very much a<br>
> jab (or middle finger) pointed directly at me
since I'm the main person<br>
> who has been running things. I am one who has
ensured that the ASL<br>
> Network (and associated infrastructure) remained
operational and was<br>
> able to handle the increasingly growing number of
nodes (well over<br>
> 5,100). This was done solely through me
investing both my own time and<br>
> money without the help or participation of the
ASL Board. In addition<br>
> to this "re-engineering" I have also had my
account on the ASL Slack<br>
> workspace suspended without notice and any and
all admin access to the<br>
> ASL Web portal was removed too (among other
things).<br>
><br>
> For quite some time, well before Bryan Fields
(W9CR) or Fred Moses<br>
> (W8FSM) stopped their involvement in ASL
directly, the AllStarLink, Inc<br>
> Board (ASL Board) has done its best to alienate,
patronize, ridicule,<br>
> demean, and basically exclude the admin team from
anything substantial<br>
> regarding the ASL infrastructure for which they
had no understanding of<br>
> nor did they attempt to understand. Numerous
attempts were made by<br>
> myself and others to try to fix the issues that
were very apparent, and<br>
> yet they were met with disdain and ignored. This
included on several<br>
> occasions attempts at impassioned pleas by myself
and others directly to<br>
> the ASL Board members regarding the issues that
we saw and asking for<br>
> reparations to make things better. Of which
included being open<br>
> regarding any decisions being made which directly
affected the admin<br>
> team. Additionally, any and all attempts to ask
what is happening on/at<br>
> the board level regarding ASL were ignored or
told that it didn't<br>
> involve or concern us. Instead, they continued
on the same course of<br>
> action that served to alienate more and more
people from participating<br>
> in ASL on the admin side with the results of me
being the sole admin<br>
> person left.<br>
><br>
> This "re-engineering" and the resulting chaos and
outages are serve as a<br>
> testament to the ASL Board again attempting to
change things without<br>
> understanding the system itself and without
telling anyone.<br>
><br>
>> This is part of an ongoing two-year project
to provide sufficient<br>
> resources for projected node growth and
additional stability. In<br>
> addition, this will create a stable framework for
new types of clients<br>
> to participate in the future.<br>
><br>
> Again, nobody told me (or anyone else associated
with the admin team)<br>
> about this "two year project". Each and every
time the ASL Board has<br>
> attempted a change (and broken something), the
current node registration<br>
> system was brought up. For example, the Round
Robin DNS (RRDNS) has<br>
> been a sticking point for a certain unnamed ASL
Board member, and during<br>
> discussions this unnamed individual had the
audacity to state that<br>
> DSNMGR messages regarding changes to the IP
address of the server at<br>
> <a href="http://register.allstarlink.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">register.allstarlink.org</a>
was "trashing his node". One of the long<br>
> since alienated admin team members had to explain
that you could adjust<br>
> logging in Asterisk through a config file. This
is one of many examples<br>
> that demonstrated the lack of knowledge of
AllStarLink, Asterisk, and<br>
> app_rpt by a member of the ASL Board. Yet we
are to believe that a<br>
> "two year project" has been in the works by this
same group that is<br>
> supposed be a "re-engineered" system to promote
growth and stability?<br>
><br>
>> You should also be aware that some specific
volunteers (past and<br>
> current) have opposed this sort of design change
and we suspect that you<br>
> may be reading negative comments from them on
various platforms. The<br>
> board’s staffing goals are to promote technical
innovation from as many<br>
> hams as want to get involved and bring new
features and clients to Allstar.<br>
><br>
> Don't be fooled by this attempt at taking the
high ground. The<br>
> opposition they are implying results from
attempts at changes from the<br>
> ASL Board without understanding the underlying
technical issues behind<br>
> how/why things run and causing outages that they
wouldn't (or couldn't)<br>
> fix. Each and every time an ASL Board member
brought up<br>
> "re-engineering" the registration system, the
reply that I empathically<br>
> gave was that yes, the system can be improved
upon but there needs to be<br>
> a plan. I personally have stated that I am open
to improvements to this<br>
> system that were the result of planning, testing
and made sense. The<br>
> ASL Board thought that moving the system to AWS
or Google would "solve"<br>
> everything yet when pressed for details on how
this would be done, we<br>
> were met with crickets or arguments that it was
just better and that was<br>
> that. And when asked about a budget for such a
move we were again met<br>
> with silence. The "resistance" that is alluded
to was with regards to<br>
> actually sitting down and creating a plan on how
to move forward with<br>
> "re-engineering" this system, and not just what
amounted to throwing<br>
> scat at the wall and seeing what stuck (resulting
in either myself or<br>
> others on the admin team having to figure out
what broke and fix it,<br>
> since most of these changes were done without
telling us). At no point<br>
> during the any of occasions in which I said this
has any ASL Board<br>
> member taken the initiative to actually have this
discussion with me (or<br>
> anyone on the admin team) and come up with a
viable plan to both<br>
> "re-engineer" and do a proper cut over that isn't
as disruptive as the<br>
> one we are experiencing now.<br>
><br>
> There is a history of the ASL Board doing things
that have broken<br>
> registration and parts of the infrastructure in
the past, and this is no<br>
> different.<br>
><br>
> PTTLink was formed due to the ASL Board's actions
which forked the<br>
> AllStarLink network by changing the DNS records
without prior notice.<br>
><br>
> The PTTLink Network can be thought of as an
"overlay" to what had been<br>
> in operation as the AllStarLink Network. This
change was done simply by<br>
> changing the domain name in use on the servers to
<a href="http://pttlink.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pttlink.org</a>.
Your<br>
> existing credentials will continue to work unless
you change them.<br>
> However, PTTLink, as a result of the ASL Board's
egregious and careless<br>
> action, is now a separate entity from the
AllStarLink Network. I call<br>
> upon the ASL Board to restore DNS back to the way
it was before they<br>
> forked it, moving everything back to the
perfectly working<br>
> infrastructure that uses what are now the <a
href="http://pttlink.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pttlink.org</a>
servers.<br>
> Additionally, I call upon them to restore all
access that was revoked<br>
> from me (both recently, and that which was
revoked before without notice).<br>
><br>
> I am very disappointed in the egregious actions
that the ASL Board has<br>
> taken (or more importantly have directed others
to take) with regards to<br>
> the AllStarLink infrastructure and their
statement. Such actions are<br>
> clearly indicative of a group that is unfit to be
the stewards to the<br>
> legacy of the late Jim Dixon or properly be of
service to the community<br>
> without trying to benefit from it. Additionally,
I feel that these<br>
> actions, as made clear in their statement, were
directed at me in an<br>
> attempt to "punish" me for my insistence and
diligence at keeping the<br>
> ASL (now PTTLInk) infrastructure running when
others made disruptive<br>
> changes to it. If so, then this is very
troubling indeed.<br>
><br>
> As I have very plainly stated before to the ASL
Board members and<br>
> others, as long as I have the resources to
support ASL they will remain<br>
> available. In that I will pledge to my fellow
hams that PTTLink will<br>
> remain operational and available for use as long
as I am able to<br>
> continue to provide the time and other resources
to keeping it<br>
> operational. Fortunately, I am no longer alone
in this endeavor and<br>
> others have volunteered to help.<br>
><br>
> The new links for PTTLInk sites are as follows:<br>
><br>
> PTTLink Portal - <a
href="https://www.pttlink.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pttlink.org</a><br>
><br>
> PTTLink Stats Server - <a
href="http://stats.pttlink.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://stats.pttlink.org</a><br>
><br>
> PTTLink Registration Server - <a
href="http://register.pttlink.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">register.pttlink.org</a><br>
><br>
> PTTLink Node List Server - nodes(x).<a
href="http://pttlink.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pttlink.org</a><br>
><br>
> PTTLInk is on Reddit - <a
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/pttlink"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.reddit.com/r/pttlink</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Additionally, you can use the DNS node lookup
developed by W9CR (which<br>
> was working with <a
href="http://allstarlink.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">allstarlink.org</a>
before the ASL Board forked the network):<br>
><br>
> IP Address of registered node: dig <node#>.<a
href="http://nodes.pttlink.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nodes.pttlink.org</a><br>
><br>
> TXT record showing DNS registration info: dig TXT
<node#>.<a href="http://nodes.pttlink.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">nodes.pttlink.org</a><br>
><br>
> Additionally, you can utilize the app_rpt-users
mailing list for support<br>
> by subscribing at<br>
><br>
><br>
> 73,<br>
> Stacy<br>
> KG7QIN<br>
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