<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">A couple of words of advice from an experienced IT engineer - who has had an IT management position in Florida in the public sector as well as worked at DoD:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">1. Anyone who doesn't want unpredictable emails on their corporate or government email server shouldn't subscribe to open lists. Get a free email account, like this one from Google and point all the groups to that email.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">2. Anyone hoping that what they write in an email could remain private should learn to use email encryption. I won't go into details, but... </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">3. Anyone sending a plain language email should anticipate that email being read by anyone anywhere.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">That said, I've found the entire FRC to be a slow moving, difficult to deal with organization with antique web sites. Some of the directors are a bit gruff and condescending, but I find that a common trait among long term hams, particular trying to relate to the current crop of no-code licensees. I include myself, as I quickly lose patience with folks who don't know the basic things covered in the license material. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I submitted a coordination request the day I got a message in May that the W4AB 2m repeater coordination had expired - May 7, 2016. It was approved over this weekend - almost 5 months to approve a registration for a repeater that has been in operation on that frequency at that site for 28 years.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default">W4AB is currently not in the directory they publish, but now that the "official" ARRL repeater directory is now RFinder, I can (and do) deal directly with them for directory issues.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">My local director (Mark) has been very responsive, but he doesn't have direct access to add to or edit the database!</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">It is my understanding that coordinations are handled by Dana and he's the only one with database access. Something might be going on in his personal life that causes this delay, but it is the duty of people with responsibility to engage with others to ensure succession of the organization and the mission. This appears to be the point of failure in many organizations but is key to the survival of that organization.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">All that said, here's the problem - if everyone on the board resigns or gets otherwise terminated, someone needs to have the time, talent and inclination to immediately recover data from wherever it is and create a new database and start up a complete new system, while doing all the things the current FRC are doing now... this will require cooperation with the current directors, particularly Dana.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Are we all ready for that? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">If so, let's go get this handed over. Exactly where and when is the meeting next weekend? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">Mickey N4MB</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Mickey Baker, N4MB</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Fort Lauderdale, FL</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><i style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">“Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” </i><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.</span><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave Messinger H. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmessing@pbcgov.org" target="_blank">dmessing@pbcgov.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Gentlemen (and Ladies, if any) ,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I don’t know where you got this e-mail from. I truly doubt you got it
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">legitimately</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> from the FRC.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regardless,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I have not asked to be included in this group or any discussions,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">You are e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything is open the Florida Sunshine Law),<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">And finally, I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater Council. They have always acted quickly and fairly with any questions or registration I have
had.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Mr. Fields,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I would ask that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit more before blindly e-mailing a large group of people with your grievances.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0f243e">Dave H. Messinger<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0f243e">Communications Specialist<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0f243e">Palm Beach County Network Support Services<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0f243e">FCC Licenses: N4QPM, WQCA678<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.<u></u><u></u></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> FRC-Info [mailto:<a href="mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org" target="_blank">frc-info-bounces@<wbr>lists.keekles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com" target="_blank">kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Florida Repeater Council Discussion <<a href="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org" target="_blank">frc-info@lists.keekles.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as
trying to find existing ones.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power,
they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and
would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Shawn Campbell<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">KG4UGK<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: </span><a href="mailto:vern@highwayusa.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">vern@highwayusa.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am<br>
To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <</span><a href="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">frc-info@lists.keekles.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><br>
Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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I must say that I have tried several times to contact the <br>
council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my <br>
old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were <br>
defunct until I saw this email come through.<br>
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Vern<br>
KI4ONW<br>
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