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<DIV>Ruthann Daniels, WB9ORO,</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=wells8868@bellsouth.net>MICHAEL WELLS</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 03, 2016 5:54 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=frc-info@lists.keekles.org>Florida Repeater Council
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Mickey Baker
<n4mb@arrl.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 3, 2016
4:52 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [FRC]
FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information<BR></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms, sans-serif">One more comment on this topic and
then I'll quiesce...</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default
style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Asking for "unused pairs" for
almost any geo reflects a lack of understanding of frequency coordination. Quite
likely, all wide band pairs are allocated somewhere in the state. In order to
assign a frequency pair, the likelyhood of interference must be evaluated.
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default
style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms, sans-serif">That's why the application process
asked for things like precise geographic locations, HAAT of the antenna, ERP,
mode, etc. A "vacant pair" that might work without interference is
located...</DIV>
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_8929 class=yiv6301945480gmail_default
style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Abandoned frequencies are
sometimes found. There are a lot of "paper repeaters" around with not working
hardware, yet the owners renew.</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default
style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms, sans-serif">And then there's the worse case
scenario - owners of unused repeaters keep renewing. There seem to be a lot of
privately owned repeaters in South Florida that are simply Ego Repeaters - no
one every uses them, sometimes they're down for long periods but they get
renewed. For examples, simply look at the callsigns for non-club repeaters and
you'll see the same ones over and over. Listen to the repeaters and there is
zero to little traffic. </DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default
style="FONT-FAMILY: trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Want to help your coordinators?
Report non-working frequencies, first to the licensee then to the FRC!</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default
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<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Mickey Baker, N4MB</SPAN><BR
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px" clear=none><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Fort
Lauderdale, FL</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 12px" clear=none><I
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">“Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will
understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” </I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.</SPAN><BR
clear=none></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_quote>On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Mickey
Baker <SPAN dir=ltr><<A shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:n4mb@arrl.net">n4mb@arrl.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>A couple of words of advice from an
experienced IT engineer - who has had an IT management position in Florida in
the public sector as well as worked at DoD:</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>1. Anyone who doesn't want unpredictable
emails on their corporate or government email server shouldn't subscribe to
open lists. Get a free email account, like this one from Google and point all
the groups to that email.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>2. Anyone hoping that what they write in
an email could remain private should learn to use email encryption. I won't go
into details, but... </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>3. Anyone sending a plain language email
should anticipate that email being read by anyone anywhere.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>That said, I've found the entire FRC to
be a slow moving, difficult to deal with organization with antique web sites.
Some of the directors are a bit gruff and condescending, but I find that a
common trait among long term hams, particular trying to relate to the current
crop of no-code licensees. I include myself, as I quickly lose patience with
folks who don't know the basic things covered in the license material. </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>I submitted a coordination request the
day I got a message in May that the W4AB 2m repeater coordination had expired
- May 7, 2016. It was approved over this weekend - almost 5 months to approve
a registration for a repeater that has been in operation on that frequency at
that site for 28 years.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>W4AB is currently not in the directory
they publish, but now that the "official" ARRL repeater directory is now
RFinder, I can (and do) deal directly with them for directory issues.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>My local director (Mark) has been very
responsive, but he doesn't have direct access to add to or edit the
database!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>It is my understanding that
coordinations are handled by Dana and he's the only one with database access.
Something might be going on in his personal life that causes this delay, but
it is the duty of people with responsibility to engage with others to ensure
succession of the organization and the mission. This appears to be the point
of failure in many organizations but is key to the survival of that
organization.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>All that said, here's the problem - if
everyone on the board resigns or gets otherwise terminated, someone needs to
have the time, talent and inclination to immediately recover data from
wherever it is and create a new database and start up a complete new system,
while doing all the things the current FRC are doing now... this will require
cooperation with the current directors, particularly Dana.</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>Are we all ready for that? </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>If so, let's go get this handed over.
Exactly where and when is the meeting next weekend? </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default>Mickey N4MB</DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_default> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Mickey Baker, N4MB</SPAN><BR
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px" clear=none><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Fort
Lauderdale, FL</SPAN><BR style="FONT-SIZE: 12px" clear=none><I
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">“Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will
understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” </I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.</SPAN><BR
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480gmail_quote>On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave
Messinger H. <SPAN dir=ltr><<A shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:dmessing@pbcgov.org">dmessing@pbcgov.org</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Gentlemen
(and Ladies, if any) ,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I don’t know
where you got this e-mail from. I truly doubt you got it
</SPAN><SPAN>legitimately</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> from the FRC.
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Regardless,
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I have not
asked to be included in this group or any discussions,
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You are
e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything is open the
Florida Sunshine Law),<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And finally,
I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater Council. They have
always acted quickly and fairly with any questions or registration I have
had.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Mr.
Fields,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I would ask
that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit more before blindly
e-mailing a large group of people with your grievances.
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dave H.
Messinger<U></U><U></U></SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Communications
Specialist<U></U><U></U></SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Palm
Beach County Network Support Services<U></U><U></U></SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">FCC
Licenses: N4QPM, WQCA678<U></U><U></U></SPAN></B></DIV>
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FRC-Info [mailto:<A shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank
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<B>On Behalf Of </B><A shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com">kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com</A><BR
clear=none><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM<BR
clear=none><B>To:</B> Florida Repeater Council Discussion <<A shape=rect
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clear=none><B>Subject:</B> Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Back in 2002,
Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination
completed.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of
unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as
well as trying to find existing ones.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In my understanding and past experience, you request
temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power,
they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing
repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup
and test before providing full coordination.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair,
would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future,
and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when
someone else receives coordination for that pair.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best regards,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Shawn Campbell<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">KG4UGK<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR clear=none>From:
</SPAN><A shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vern@highwayusa.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">vern@highwayusa.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR clear=none>Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016
6:58am<BR clear=none>To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <</SPAN><A
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">frc-info@lists.keekles.org</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">><BR clear=none>Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida
Repeater Council Information<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv6301945480MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR
clear=none>I must say that I have tried several times to contact the <BR
clear=none>council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my <BR
clear=none>old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were <BR
clear=none>defunct until I saw this email come through.<BR clear=none><BR
clear=none>Vern<BR clear=none>KI4ONW<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>> <BR
clear=none>> P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you <BR
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