<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12380"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12388">??????????????</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12381"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12395" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12394" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12393" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12392" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12391" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ron Wright <mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 3, 2016 4:21 PM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12390"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12389" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1475535078270_12396"><br>Well seems was getting emails abt FRC from one source. I hope all comments are given<br clear="none"><br clear="none">And when only one person wants so many removed kinda goes to unreasonable. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Is good for many get involved. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">73, Ron,n9ee/r<br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> On Oct 3, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Steve Zingman <<a href="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:szingman@msgstor.com">szingman@msgstor.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> How are they not allowing all to communicate?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 73, Steve N4IRS<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, <a href="mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com">mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com</a> wrote:<br clear="none">>> I agree with Mickey, doing the work of the FRC requires commitment. It<br clear="none">>> aint an easy job. I for one would not want to see an inexperienced Ham<br clear="none">>> deciding coordination, someone who has not been involved with it for a<br clear="none">>> while. Each repeater owner has their own needs and the FRC work has to<br clear="none">>> do much more than assign pairs.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing<br clear="none">>> all to communicate. Do we want this in FRC???<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Ron Wright, N9EE/R<br clear="none">>> BSEE<br clear="none">>> Micro Computer Concepts<br clear="none">>> 352-683-4476<br clear="none">>> <a href="mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com">mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com</a><br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br clear="none">>> *From:* FRC-Info <<a href="mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org">frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org</a>> on behalf of<br clear="none">>> Mickey Baker <<a href="mailto:n4mb@arrl.net" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:n4mb@arrl.net">n4mb@arrl.net</a>><br clear="none">>> *Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 11:35 AM<br clear="none">>> *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion<br clear="none">>> *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> A couple of words of advice from an experienced IT engineer - who has<br clear="none">>> had an IT management position in Florida in the public sector as well as<br clear="none">>> worked at DoD:<br clear="none">>> 1. Anyone who doesn't want unpredictable emails on their corporate or<br clear="none">>> government email server shouldn't subscribe to open lists. Get a free<br clear="none">>> email account, like this one from Google and point all the groups to<br clear="none">>> that email.<br clear="none">>> 2. Anyone hoping that what they write in an email could remain private<br clear="none">>> should learn to use email encryption. I won't go into details, but...<br clear="none">>> 3. Anyone sending a plain language email should anticipate that email<br clear="none">>> being read by anyone anywhere.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> That said, I've found the entire FRC to be a slow moving, difficult to<br clear="none">>> deal with organization with antique web sites. Some of the directors are<br clear="none">>> a bit gruff and condescending, but I find that a common trait among long<br clear="none">>> term hams, particular trying to relate to the current crop of no-code<br clear="none">>> licensees. I include myself, as I quickly lose patience with folks who<br clear="none">>> don't know the basic things covered in the license material.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> I submitted a coordination request the day I got a message in May that<br clear="none">>> the W4AB 2m repeater coordination had expired - May 7, 2016. It was<br clear="none">>> approved over this weekend - almost 5 months to approve a registration<br clear="none">>> for a repeater that has been in operation on that frequency at that site<br clear="none">>> for 28 years.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> W4AB is currently not in the directory they publish, but now that the<br clear="none">>> "official" ARRL repeater directory is now RFinder, I can (and do) deal<br clear="none">>> directly with them for directory issues.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> My local director (Mark) has been very responsive, but he doesn't have<br clear="none">>> direct access to add to or edit the database!<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> It is my understanding that coordinations are handled by Dana and he's<br clear="none">>> the only one with database access. Something might be going on in his<br clear="none">>> personal life that causes this delay, but it is the duty of people with<br clear="none">>> responsibility to engage with others to ensure succession of the<br clear="none">>> organization and the mission. This appears to be the point of failure in<br clear="none">>> many organizations but is key to the survival of that organization.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> All that said, here's the problem - if everyone on the board resigns or<br clear="none">>> gets otherwise terminated, someone needs to have the time, talent and<br clear="none">>> inclination to immediately recover data from wherever it is and create a<br clear="none">>> new database and start up a complete new system, while doing all the<br clear="none">>> things the current FRC are doing now... this will require cooperation<br clear="none">>> with the current directors, particularly Dana.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Are we all ready for that?<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> If so, let's go get this handed over. Exactly where and when is the<br clear="none">>> meeting next weekend?<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Mickey N4MB<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Mickey Baker, N4MB<br clear="none">>> Fort Lauderdale, FL<br clear="none">>> /“Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve<br clear="none">>> me, and I will learn.” /Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave Messinger H. <<a href="mailto:dmessing@pbcgov.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dmessing@pbcgov.org">dmessing@pbcgov.org</a><br clear="none">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dmessing@pbcgov.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dmessing@pbcgov.org">dmessing@pbcgov.org</a>>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Gentlemen (and Ladies, if any) ,____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> I don’t know where you got this e-mail from. I truly doubt you got<br clear="none">>> it legitimatelyfrom the FRC. ____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> __ __<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Regardless, ____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> I have not asked to be included in this group or any discussions, ____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> You are e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything<br clear="none">>> is open the Florida Sunshine Law),____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> And finally, I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater<br clear="none">>> Council. They have always acted quickly and fairly with any<br clear="none">>> questions or registration I have had.____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> __ __<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Mr. Fields,____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> I would ask that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit<br clear="none">>> more before blindly e-mailing a large group of people with your<br clear="none">>> grievances. ____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> __ __<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> -----=====-----=====-----____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> *Dave H. Messinger____*<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> *Communications Specialist____*<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> *Palm Beach County Network Support Services____*<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> *FCC Licenses: N4QPM, WQCA678____*<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> cid:<a href="mailto:image002.png@01CAB493.44E57100____" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:image002.png@01CAB493.44E57100____">image002.png@01CAB493.44E57100____</a><br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> __ __<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> /Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most<br clear="none">>> written communications to or from County employees regarding County<br clear="none">>> business are public records, available to the public and media upon<br clear="none">>> request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including<br clear="none">>> your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.____/<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> __ __<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> ---____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> __ __<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> *From:*FRC-Info [mailto:<a href="mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org">frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org</a><br clear="none">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org">frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org</a>>] *On Behalf Of<br clear="none">>> *<a href="mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com">kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com">kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com</a>><br clear="none">>> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM<br clear="none">>> *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion<br clear="none">>> <<a href="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org">frc-info@lists.keekles.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org">frc-info@lists.keekles.org</a>>><br clear="none">>> *Subject:* Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> __ __<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination<br clear="none">>> completed.____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> ____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It<br clear="none">>> seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as<br clear="none">>> trying to find existing ones.____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> ____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary<br clear="none">>> coordination and based on your location and desired output power,<br clear="none">>> they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with<br clear="none">>> existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you<br clear="none">>> time to setup and test before providing full coordination.____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> ____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially<br clear="none">>> cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would<br clear="none">>> possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when<br clear="none">>> someone else receives coordination for that pair.____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> ____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Best regards,____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Shawn Campbell____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> KG4UGK____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> ____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">>> From: <a href="mailto:vern@highwayusa.com" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vern@highwayusa.com">vern@highwayusa.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vern@highwayusa.com" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vern@highwayusa.com">vern@highwayusa.com</a>><br clear="none">>> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am<br clear="none">>> To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion"<br clear="none">>> <<a href="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org">frc-info@lists.keekles.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org">frc-info@lists.keekles.org</a>>><br clear="none">>> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information____<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> I must say that I have tried several times to contact the<br clear="none">>> council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my<br clear="none">>> old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were<br clear="none">>> defunct until I saw this email come through.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Vern<br clear="none">>> KI4ONW<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> ><br clear="none">>> > P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you<br clear="none">>> >wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove<br clear="none">>> >yourself using the link at the bottom. 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