<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>Frank Echanique, you are a liar in big terms. Bring up one person that paid me for a freq. pair. Never in my life I did that. Dont press your luck! W4HN</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Please pardon my errors as the cell changes some, pardon typos and grammatical errors in advance should they appear.  </div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 5.</div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq@flecom.net> </div><div>Date: 10/4/16  11:37 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr">I tried years ago and gave up… The FRC completely killed any interest I had in ham radio repeaters… before you had to buy your repeater pairs from the district coordinator and after he was removed our district was dissolved and given to district 2, which is where most of our problems came from… <div><br></div><div>At this point I have no idea if my repeaters are even coordinated anymore and honestly I don't care, they are on a government building sponsored by the Miami Dade Office of Emergency Management, and the only reason I maintain them is because they (MD-OEM) have asked me to.. if it ever became a problem I would just turn them off… then Miami would have exactly zero wide-area VHF repeaters and district 2 would finally win<div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:40 PM, <a href="mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com">mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com" target="_blank">mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




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<p>Might give more details of your experience with the FRC.   I think if any problems one has with FRC is voiced to the repeater community and the FRC, it will be addressed.<br>
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<div>73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra<br>
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<div>Ron Wright, N9EE/R
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<div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> FRC-Info <<a href="mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org" target="_blank">frc-info-bounces@lists.<wbr>keekles.org</a>> on behalf of Frank Echanique <<a href="mailto:ki4ijq@flecom.net" target="_blank">ki4ijq@flecom.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:28 PM<div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> Florida Repeater Council Discussion<br>
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<div dir="ltr">people have had good interactions with the FRC? I can assure you that wasn't my experience… 
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<div>I don't think I have ever dealt with a more dysfunctional organization </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:24 PM, kg4ugk <span dir="ltr">
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<div>Seeing that no one opted in for this email list, FRC did not provide him with contact information, and in fact tried/attempted to keep our information private.</div>
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<div>And the fact Bryan owns/hosts <a href="http://lists.keekles.org" target="_blank">
lists.keekles.org</a> (the server responsible for this newly created list)</div>
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<div>I suggest that you contact his registrar/hosting providers abuse system to form a complaint.</div>
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<div>Enom.com:</div>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Name: BRYAN FIELDS</span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Organization: </span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Street: 501 80TH AV<wbr>E</span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant City: ST PETE BEACH</span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant State/Province: FL</span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Postal Code: 33706</span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Country: US</span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1.7274091194" value="+17274091194" target="_blank">+1.727409119<wbr>4</a></span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Phone Ext: </span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555</span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Fax Ext:</span><br style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px">
<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrant Email: </span><a title="Search for this email address" href="http://reversewhois.domaintools.com/?email=c4af5e29ad2bf1ea52b555562b4b59f4" style="color:rgb(0,51,204);text-decoration:none;font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px" target="_blank"><img name="m_-1953795925876815954_m_-8872874885413772233_http%3A__source_domaintools_com_email_pgif%3Fmd5%3Dc4af5e29ad2bf1ea52b555562b4b59f4%26face%3Darial%26size%3D9%26color%3D000000%26bgcolor%3DFFFFFF%26face%3Darial%26size%3D9%26color%3D0000FF%26bgcolor%3DFFFFFF%26format%5B%5D%3Dtransparent%26format%5B%5D%3Dtransparent_1475632939354" border="0" align="middle" src="http://source.domaintools.com/email.pgif?md5=c4af5e29ad2bf1ea52b555562b4b59f4&face=arial&size=9&color=000000&bgcolor=FFFFFF&face=arial&size=9&color=0000FF&bgcolor=FFFFFF&format[]=transparent&format[]=transparent" id="1475658390620"></a></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90);font-family:monospace;font-size:13px;letter-spacing:0.75px;word-spacing:0.13px;background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">Registrar Abuse Contact:
<a href="tel:%2B1.4252982646" value="+14252982646" target="_blank">+1.4252982646</a>
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<div>And as many of us have spoken up about our past successful interactions and the fact Bryan decided to leave them out on this thread, I've decided to copy the 'accused' on this email.</div>
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<div>He has clearly stated his request for our personal information was with held by the FRC, and that he proceeded to seek alternative means of acquiring our information in an effort to contact us.</div>
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<div>From: Bob Dunkin <<a href="mailto:rldunkin@comcast.net" target="_blank">rldunkin@comcast.net</a>>
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<div>Date: 10/4/16 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <<a href="mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org" target="_blank">frc-info@lists.keekles.org</a>>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="vhferris@comcast.net" href="mailto:vhferris@comcast.net" target="_blank">
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:09 PM</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi Ron and John,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I have dealt with Dana on three repeaters, mine and two that the county turned over to me as ARES EC for the county and as a volunteer himself he has done a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Have a good week and keep your feet dry.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Vern, W4NEK<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com" target="_blank">mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 04, 2016 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Florida Repeater Council Discussion<br>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">John,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Yes, I think you are correct.  Just seems I was not getting replies from others.  have been getting today.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">It is good to have these discussions and the FRC does need guidance from us into repeaters.  Just seems one guy has a beef and wants to take over and he has little to do with repeaters really. 
 More of a club board member.  And being into the internet service or an IT guy is very little tech knowledge of this subject.  Engineering firms do not consider IT guys technical people.  But they have a valuable place.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I think the FRC does a good job, but they are often slow.  Our District 4 director has responded to me quickly in last year when i need assistance in getting a pair for a repeater.  not sure what
 other directors do.  Dana is very slow, I think he picks one Saturday in the month and works on what he has received, hi.  But he is very knowledgeable about the issues...has lots of experience over the last 20 years dealing with the issues.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Ron Wright, N9EE/R
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> FRC-Info <<a href="mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org" target="_blank">frc-info-bounces@lists.keekle<wbr>s.org</a>>
 on behalf of Jon Pearl - W4ABC <<a href="mailto:jonpearl@tampabay.rr.com" target="_blank">jonpearl@tampabay.rr.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Florida Repeater Council Discussion<br>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Good morning Ron,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Is it possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list server?  It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all are not allowed to communicate in this
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I posted a message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some time.  I see this happen
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">73,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Jon Pearl - W4ABC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On 10/3/2016 11:47 AM,
<a href="mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com" target="_blank">mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Bryan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">It appears this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us.  A real discussion would be between all of us.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM,
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate.  Do we want this in FRC???<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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