I think it needs to be aired out completely. Doug Crompton and the rest of the hamvoip ilk have stolen the code that Jim Duuuuuude (R.I.P.) wrote and released into the open source world, and made their version proprietary for *them*, and not releasing any code that THEY changed to the public, as is open source policy.

I, personally, wouldn't mind seeing them hang for it.
Literally. Hang em, damn thieves!


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019, 13:07 Donald Jacob <wb5eku@gmail.com> wrote:
People,
this is getting a bit out of hand. Both areas will lose people because we don't want see this type of
bickering in our hobby.
Take it off list please.

WB5EKU


On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:58 AM Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.

Why does the source matter? 

The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment and modify things to make it better. 

Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom ideas. 

Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering iron and multimeter in it without self destructing. 

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1@gmail.com> wrote:

This is crazy! I've never seen 

Bryan Fields so angry!
Yes... I agree with him.
Jeremy


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
From: Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net>
Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>


On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:

Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
form
of product, updates and support.

Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.

The better question; what does he have to hide?

HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
much
from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
engaged
in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
trampling
on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.


Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I
feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
don’t see occurring.

AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL version
2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.

John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and
people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.

How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
users and developers benefiting.

He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the code.
This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.

Do you condone this?

From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.

Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in
something more than a disassembler.

I appreciate their hard work and
constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
opportunity.

All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is this
hard? Certainly not.

Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?

Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would
that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
the applications creator?

It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this requires
the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.
If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I
won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he did on
the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.

I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
are
providing a service to the community at large.

What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
abide
by the basic tenets of the community?

I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.

He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.

The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared
to a HOA?

I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based on
freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and
it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned
their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.

You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?

Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.

You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can I
say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.

Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)

Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from your
computer.

I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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