On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Sam Skolfield <kj6qfs@gmail.com> wrote:

Jeff, are you using the RTCMs internal crystal or are you injecting an external GPSDO derived 9.6MHz?

On Monday, June 6, 2016, Jeff Carrier <k0jsc.jeff@gmail.com> wrote:
Trust me, a GPS-discipline OCXO isn't enough in your overlap areas. Mine have 50+ ,miles between overlap zones (transmitters are 100+ miles apart) and you'll still hear garbled signals in the overlap.

Keep in mind, public safety spends tens even hundreds of thousands of dollars to do this very same thing!

Am I saying don't try it. Not even a little! Experiment and have fun! I'm just sharing my own experiences.

I had the rare opportunity to speak with Jim on the phone a while back and this came up. If I could only remember, comprehend and apply even 25% of what we talked about I'd be light years ahead!

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Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 12:06:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net>
To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RTCM Simulcast question
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If you GPS-discipline that OCXO, I think it would be more than adequate.
Since you've already got the 1 PPS GPS signal, all that should be needed
in addition to the OCXO/Si5351 is a little $3 Arduino board (like:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131702108124 ) to program the desired output
frequency(s) and perform compensation.

$16 for an OCXO ---NICE! ...The whole project maybe $25!

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Joe Moskalski wrote:

> I mentioned this to someone else, QRP Labs has a kit that creates a OCXO
> around the Si5351 chip. here is the link:
>
> http://www.qrp-labs.com/ocxokit.html
>
> If you couple this with another kit of theirs you can program it it any
> frequency you want. My only thought is would it be accurate/stable enough.
>
> http://www.qrp-labs.com/progrock.html
>
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> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
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> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > While on the subject of the Si5351 chips, the application of converting
> > one reference clock to a secondary frequency is what they were designed
> > for. So, since you've already got a GPS reference, this -might- be an
> > inexpensive starting point...For this application, you obviously won't
> > need all the bells and whistles presented in this article! See:
> >
> > http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus/Si5351/Si5351_VFO_QEX.pdf
> > http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus
> >
> > Note that I would replace the Si5351 25MHz reference with a decent TCXO
> > (available on ebay, etc.)....Note that I haven't used the Si5351 with an
> > RTCM, there may be simpler/better ways???
> >
> >
> > 73, David KB4FXC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Joe Moskalski wrote:
> >
> > > > It seems clear that in order for simulcast to work properly with the
> > RTCM
> > > > I will need to clock the CPU to the GPSDO. Is there a device available
> > to
> > > > give you the 9.6 mhz reference from the 10 mhz out from the GPSDO or
> > does
> > > > anyone have a schematic available so that I can build them myself?
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Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:23:34 -0600
From: Skyler F <electricity440@gmail.com>
To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org>
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Current signal strength
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So I just had this idea to analyze 2 meter band openings, find a weak
162MHz weather station and have a dummy app_rpt node Receive that signal.
Using DSP, Then print the current strength to a file, and graph it.

Is there any way to get the current signal strength and store it in a bash
variable or something?

73
Skyler kd0whb
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The RTCM and simulcast DOES work. As mentioned before, you have to be
using a transmitter that can accept a 10 mHz (or whatever) reference
signal. You also need 1 PPS for your receivers and transmitter. You also
need to sync the RTCM to your GPSDO (which I have not done). If you have
not done all this you WILL hear some "funk" in the overlap areas.

That "funk" can go from usable to un-usable depending on how strong the
transmitters are in the overlap region.

Pardon the "non-technical" terms. It does work but the law of physics do
apply here.

de K0JSC

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> 2. Re: RTCM Simulcast question (Steve Wright)
> 3. Re: audio for direct VCO FM: Si5351B (David McGough)
> 4. Re: RTCM Simulcast question (Joe Moskalski)
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> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 19:40:50 +1200
> From: Steve Wright <info@meshnetworks.co.nz>
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> On 04/06/16 04:00, Joe Leikhim <rhyolite@leikhim.com> wrote:
> > Assuming the VCO is part of a PLL, the PLL will tend to "correct" the
> > modulation, [....]
>
> Was planning to use the Si5351B - has VCO input.
>
> S
>
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> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 20:22:36 +1200
> From: Steve Wright <info@meshnetworks.co.nz>
> To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] RTCM Simulcast question
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> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I will be setting up a 2 site UHF simulcast system in the coming months
>
> Huh? I was told (on this list) that simulcast TX "doesn't work".
>
>
>
> S
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:46:38 -0400 (EDT)
> From: David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net>
> To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] audio for direct VCO FM: Si5351B
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> Hi Steve,
>
> We're getting way off topic for the mailing list, but, I thought I'd post
> this reply here if there are any other interested hams out there, perhaps
> who are also experimenting in this area.
>
> I haven't played with the Si5351B version of this interesting chip, yet. I
> wonder whether the voltage control input of this chip would be suitable
> for AF FM modulation? Assuming that you could modulate the VCXO at audio
> frequencies (the datasheet isn't completely clear to me about that), an
> immediate issue would be that everytime you change the fractional-N
> division ratio, you'll change the modulation index. This will have to be
> compensated for, one way or another.
>
> I've been playing with several boards with Si5351 chips. They're pretty
> neat. They're also pretty noisy! ...With both spurious and phase noise.
> The phase noise can be improved somewhat with a better external crystal
> oscillator, the spurs seem more challenging. Using the on-board VCXO with
> the 5351B, you can't use a high quality external oscillator, so phase
> noise and overall frequency stability could be an issue, too.
>
> Anyhow, for my applications, I'm following the Si5351 with a secondary
> clean-up VCO/PLL, which was already in the radios. I just needed a
> frequency-agile reference oscillator, so to speak. I think the Si5351 will
> work well for this, based on my preliminary tests! (I'd certainly like to
> hear the experiences from anyone who has already been down this road!)
>
> I guess you're not finding any local sources of surplus radios? Do you
> have any 6m power amps available?
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Steve Wright wrote:
>
> > On 04/06/16 04:00, Joe Leikhim <rhyolite@leikhim.com> wrote:
> > > Assuming the VCO is part of a PLL, the PLL will tend to "correct" the
> > > modulation, [....]
> >
> > Was planning to use the Si5351B - has VCO input.
> >
> > S
> >
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:03:11 -0400
> From: Joe Moskalski <kc2irv@gmail.com>
> To: App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org
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> > It seems clear that in order for simulcast to work properly with the RTCM
> > I will need to clock the CPU to the GPSDO. Is there a device available to
> > give you the 9.6 mhz reference from the 10 mhz out from the GPSDO or does
> > anyone have a schematic available so that I can build them myself?
> >
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> Hi Joe,
>
> While on the subject of the Si5351 chips, the application of converting
> one reference clock to a secondary frequency is what they were designed
> for. So, since you've already got a GPS reference, this -might- be an
> inexpensive starting point...For this application, you obviously won't
> need all the bells and whistles presented in this article! See:
>
> http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus/Si5351/Si5351_VFO_QEX.pdf
> http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus
>
> Note that I would replace the Si5351 25MHz reference with a decent TCXO
> (available on ebay, etc.)....Note that I haven't used the Si5351 with an
> RTCM, there may be simpler/better ways???
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Joe Moskalski wrote:
>
> > > It seems clear that in order for simulcast to work properly with the
> RTCM
> > > I will need to clock the CPU to the GPSDO. Is there a device available
> to
> > > give you the 9.6 mhz reference from the 10 mhz out from the GPSDO or
> does
> > > anyone have a schematic available so that I can build them myself?
> > >
> > >
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> To: David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net>
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> I mentioned this to someone else, QRP Labs has a kit that creates a OCXO
> around the Si5351 chip. here is the link:
>
> http://www.qrp-labs.com/ocxokit.html
>
> If you couple this with another kit of theirs you can program it it any
> frequency you want. My only thought is would it be accurate/stable enough.
>
> http://www.qrp-labs.com/progrock.html
>
>
>
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> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > While on the subject of the Si5351 chips, the application of converting
> > one reference clock to a secondary frequency is what they were designed
> > for. So, since you've already got a GPS reference, this -might- be an
> > inexpensive starting point...For this application, you obviously won't
> > need all the bells and whistles presented in this article! See:
> >
> > http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus/Si5351/Si5351_VFO_QEX.pdf
> > http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus
> >
> > Note that I would replace the Si5351 25MHz reference with a decent TCXO
> > (available on ebay, etc.)....Note that I haven't used the Si5351 with an
> > RTCM, there may be simpler/better ways???
> >
> >
> > 73, David KB4FXC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Jun 2016, Joe Moskalski wrote:
> >
> > > > It seems clear that in order for simulcast to work properly with the
> > RTCM
> > > > I will need to clock the CPU to the GPSDO. Is there a device
> available
> > to
> > > > give you the 9.6 mhz reference from the 10 mhz out from the GPSDO or
> > does
> > > > anyone have a schematic available so that I can build them myself?
> > > >
> > > >
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