Your question of if you could use those data radios in the 430-450MHz sparked some sharp emotions from me.

You know, back in the 90's I had encouraged those of us running packet bbs's to make better, faster backbone links to handle all the traffic. It did not happen and the internet took over the message forwarding.

I again would encourage those of you that are capable to create direct links of your nodes to your neighbors where possible.

We can not rely on the internet when we need it most.(why put all eggs in one basket?) A network is only as good as it's weakest link.

Most of the freq where you will find data radios (wi-fi and the like) are in fact amateur freq's to begin with. Some are in shared use areas but most of those folks using those shared freq are doing so illegally.

There is no spectrum where a commercial entity can use any freq without a license. You can not get a license to use the amateur or our shared spectrum for a commercial purpose. You can use the shared spectrum for geological, medical or scientific proposes with strict guidelines. The Reselling of our bandwidth (providing internet) that has been going on in our spectrum has absolutely dumbfounded me. In many case, I had to stop using my 2.4ghz ATV because of the interference even though I had the legal right to do what I was doing.

The Geo Med Sci use is limited to 1w direct point to point (directional antennas pointed at each other to minimize interference) and other limitations to many to list here.

In short we have the right to use those data radio's protected by the license we have as most all of them are in our spectrum. It should be well noted that we as amateurs have a band plan coordinated by the arrl for voice and data use within our space. We do need to ring their bell (arrl) on the increased use and need of spectrum for digital purposes like many of us are doing. Not a problem unless we have a interference problem between us hams.

The FCC needs to alot spectrum for wireless internet/data for commercial or resellers instead of intruding on ours. As long as we allow it, it will happen to the point we can not use it ourselves.

YES, Use it or loose it ! -remember the 220 spectrum we had.

You will all wake up one day complaining you can not shoot a signal across your property without interference or be told to turn off your equipment because you are interfering with those reselling internet "on your freq's".

Use it or loose it. "Please use those data radios". Make those node links.

Sorry to be long but some background was need to those who do not know. Hope this has enlightened some.
I am not into blogging here so I won't say another word about this or reply publicly about it.
It is a concern to what we are doing /could be/should be doing with app_rpt and allstar.

...mike/kb8jnm


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Parallel 900MHz Links
From: Kevin Custer <kuggie@kuggie.com>
Date: Sat, February 08, 2014 8:29 am
To: Operations - K6ECS <operations@k6ecs.net>, app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org

On 2/8/2014 12:04 AM, Operations - K6ECS wrote:
> But if the Internet or Intranet go down how can
> we have a parallel network when Allstar is using the I/O's on the Motorola
> MSF 5000?

You wouldn't do it that way.

> Talking about it earlier we thought of using a DTMF controller with relays
> or solid state switching to so that we can disconnect Allstar and switch to
> the link system. But is there an easier way? This would be for a last ditch
> effort at maintaining repeater control and linked audio.

Depending on your hardware, you can have several radios connected to the
same AllStar box. There is no need for relays and more complication.
Set up a remote base radio connected to the AllStar box. If the
Internet goes down, link the repeater to the network with the remote
base radio.

- -

Going down a different path, that isn't LOS:
There are at least two companies making wifi cards for your favorite
wifi router boards (RouterBoard - StarOS - Ubiquiti, etc.) that operate
in the 420 - 450 MHz area. They are 5 MHz wide compatible (channel
splitting - cloaking). I'm not saying you should use them as it *may*
not be within the FCC rules for the US, but they are available. Please
don't turn this into a "FCC rules" or "proper use of bandwidth" thread.

http://www.xagyl.com/store/product.php?productid=16450
http://www.doodlelabs.com/products/radio-transceivers/sub-ghz-range/420-450-mhz-dl435-30/

Kevin
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