You can do DPL with TX/RX that have DPL on board using simple usb but I'd prefer DSP.  IMHO it's cleaner and I was never able to eliminate squelch bursts using simple usb.  DPL coupled with DSP would probably produce a nice clean drop when a user or the repeater unkeys.

Half of my question/suggestion was also regarding RTCM based systems.  With the RTCM you need to use the local CTCSS/DCS decoder but the server produces the TX CTCSS and sends it up the network.  In a simulcast setup I'm assuming you would have to have the server generate DCS if there were to be any overlap areas at all.

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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 09:26:06 -0500
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Just recently thinking of this. It actually would be pretty handy.
Though most just use the pl/dpl encode/decode in the radio and don't use
the DSP encode and decode in Allstar it might be handy for a few> I have
a small node consisting of a Motorola P10 talkie where I use DSP PL. I
use PL there. But a real need arises on 900. I have a pair of TKR-901's
that will be modded for the ham band using someone else's code to allow
programming of the synthesizers. But DPL seems to be a better choice on
900 and the TKR-901 has zero PL circuitry, its basically a receiver and
transmitter, carrier squelch. A perfect candidate for USBRADIO. But
really needs DPL.

But I defer to the code writers. This may not be trivial to do and may
be more of a distraction.

But a neat idea.

GeorgeC

W2DB

2360



On 7/10/2017 8:50 AM, Jeff Carrier wrote:
> How many on the list would desire DPL support within app_rpt?  Is it
> worth looking at?  I'm pretty sure this has come up in the past.  For
> the record, I ask this knowing I'm unable to contribute to the coding
> of this since I lack that skill set.
>
> I personally prefer DPL but I think there are still many older radios
> lurking that don't have capabilities beyond CTCSS.
>
> I also know we've had pretty spirited discussions regarding simulcast
> on the list.  I'm simulcasting from 4 sites on UHF with unmodified
> RTCM's and do have some issues in the overlap areas.  I know keeping
> CTCSS in phase in an analog simulcast system is a challenge so how
> ugly would DPL be in a simulcast environment?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> de K0JSC
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 09:28:19 -0500
From: George Csahanin <george@dyb.com>
To: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
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If the radios you use already do DPL there's no need for it in the
asterisk code.

GeorgeC

W2DB

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On 7/10/2017 9:10 AM, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
> I would be all for it; IIRC the XIPR release supports it, so it is
> doable.
>
> I know a lot of the *ahem* experienced rigs don't have the capability
> (TR-22c with an add-on ctcss board, anyone?), but seems to me that
> most modern rigs of any consequence (even the cheap asia-pacific rim
> units have it) will be able to support it.
>
> FWIW, I have DCS set up on the analog side of my DR1x on my 2m pair,
> and It works, on baofeng, wouxuns, kenwood, Yaesu, and batwing ht and
> mobiles just fine.
>
> --
> Bryan
> Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of
> this message.
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 09:50, Jeff Carrier <k0jsc.jeff@gmail.com
> <mailto:k0jsc.jeff@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> How many on the list would desire DPL support within app_rpt?  Is it
>> worth looking at?  I'm pretty sure this has come up in the past.  For
>> the record, I ask this knowing I'm unable to contribute to the coding
>> of this since I lack that skill set.
>>
>> I personally prefer DPL but I think there are still many older radios
>> lurking that don't have capabilities beyond CTCSS.
>>
>> I also know we've had pretty spirited discussions regarding simulcast
>> on the list.  I'm simulcasting from 4 sites on UHF with unmodified
>> RTCM's and do have some issues in the overlap areas.  I know keeping
>> CTCSS in phase in an analog simulcast system is a challenge so how
>> ugly would DPL be in a simulcast environment?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> de K0JSC
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 2:09 PM,
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>>        1. Re: DIAL Download site (dvswitch.org <http://dvswitch.org>)
>>     offline (Steve Zingman)
>>        2. Re: OFF-LIST Looks like I can't post no more on a ARM mailing
>>           list. (David Shaw)
>>        3. Re: OFF-LIST Looks like I can't post no more on a ARM mailing
>>           list. (Andrew Sylthe)
>>
>>
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>>     Message: 1
>>     Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:13:01 -0400
>>     From: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com
>>     <mailto:szingman@msgstor.com>>
>>     To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>>     <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
>>     <mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>>
>>     Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DIAL Download site (dvswitch.org
>>     <http://dvswitch.org>) offline
>>     Message-ID: <355bb3bf-b2e0-bba7-d932-8023e49602f4@msgstor.com
>>     <mailto:355bb3bf-b2e0-bba7-d932-8023e49602f4@msgstor.com>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
>>
>>     The AllStarLink image files are now available at
>>     <http://3102.repeater.net/AllStarLink/
>>     <http://3102.repeater.net/AllStarLink/>> thanks to Corey N3FE The
>>     download links have been updated to point to the new location.
>>     Thanks to Mike KB8ZGL at Virtual Systems, I am moving
>>     dvswitch.org <http://dvswitch.org> and
>>     the AllStarLink image mirror to a new state of the art data
>>     center. The
>>     new IP address is  for dvswitch.org <http://dvswitch.org> is
>>     44.103.32.18 I will be moving the
>>     DNS entries and adding the mirror of the image files. This will be a
>>     work in progress over the next week.
>>
>>     On 07/08/2017 11:53 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
>>     > As I said before, DVSwitch is having a outage. I am changing
>>     > providers. In the future we will maintain 2 different DownLoad
>>     locations.
>>     > In the meantime, Corey, N3FE has donated space on a solid provider.
>>     > The main AllStarLink page will be updated. In the meantime here
>>     is one
>>     > of the new locations:
>>     >
>>     > <http://3102.repeater.net/AllStarLink/
>>     <http://3102.repeater.net/AllStarLink/>>
>>     >
>>     > 73, Steve N4IRS
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>>     To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>>     <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
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>>             on a ARM mailing list.
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>>     Who's Source code? Just asking.
>>
>>     David
>>     KE6UPI
>>
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     Thanks, David
>>
>>     "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who
>>     are neither
>>     inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>>     worse for
>>     the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to
>>     encourage
>>     than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>>     greater
>>     confidence than an armed one."
>>     Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>     On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Bryan D. Boyle
>>     <bdboyle@bdboyle.com <mailto:bdboyle@bdboyle.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     > send the email chain with all the insults and legal threats,
>>     their public
>>     > refusal to release the source, and all correspondence to the
>>     Open Source
>>     > Foundation, whose GPL the source was originally licensed
>>     under.  Jim had an
>>     > opinion about people like that...which is why he fought to keep
>>     it open
>>     > source.
>>     >
>>     > That's what their lawyers' job is; you aren't going to fight
>>     their massive
>>     > self-reverential egos over there.
>>     >
>>     > (and I really don't care whether they ban me for telling it
>>     like I see it)
>>     > --
>>     > Bryan
>>     > Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the
>>     sending of this
>>     > message.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Jul 9, 2017, at 13:35, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net
>>     <mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > I'm taking this back on list.  It's an important enough
>>     response to have it
>>     > here.  You may ignore this thread if you wish.
>>     >
>>     > On 7/9/17 1:21 PM, David McGough wrote:
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Neil,
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > I have taken these comments off list.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > At this point you are taking a childish argument to a criminal
>>     level,
>>     >
>>     > claiming a "back door" into the hamvoip distro and that
>>     statement is
>>     >
>>     > absolutely a LIE.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > With these statements you are committing criminal libel.
>>     Whether you you
>>     >
>>     > it or not, I am an Internet Business owner and I build custom
>>     routers for
>>     >
>>     > several fortune 1000 Companies and have thousands installed
>>     across 80+
>>     >
>>     > Countries. Your comments are tarnishing to my reputation. I
>>     seriously
>>     >
>>     > recommend that you either promptly come up with proof to back
>>     up your
>>     >
>>     > statement or retract it.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > A person with such contempt for the law should not be lecturing
>>     others
>>     > about
>>     > it. I further fail to see why I am copied on this, are you
>>     threatening
>>     > legal
>>     > action?
>>     >
>>     > Release the source, you have no other option.
>>     >
>>     > As someone building routers, you should be familiar with the
>>     finer points
>>     > of
>>     > the GPL.  I have to say, as someone who also has a day job with
>>     a company
>>     > who
>>     > builds routers, I've never heard of Internet Technologies.
>>     >
>>     > 73's
>>     > --
>>     > Bryan Fields
>>     >
>>     > 727-409-1194 <tel:727-409-1194> <(727)%20409-1194> - Voice
>>     > http://bryanfields.net
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>>     From: Andrew Sylthe <asylthe@kc9ona.com <mailto:asylthe@kc9ona.com>>
>>     To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>>     <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org
>>     <mailto:app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org>>
>>     Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] OFF-LIST Looks like I can't post no more
>>             on a ARM mailing list.
>>     Message-ID:
>>
>>     <CAMbt3dva5PVZgpc_JpTAWpRS+hcNiGBVD=2qe3pSzJrR2tObsw@mail.gmail.com
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>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>     The source code for Asterisk, DAHDI, app_rpt, and probably others...
>>
>>     On Jul 9, 2017 2:59 PM, "David Shaw" <shawpbx@gmail.com
>>     <mailto:shawpbx@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     > Who's Source code? Just asking.
>>     >
>>     > David
>>     > KE6UPI
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > --
>>     > Thanks, David
>>     >
>>     > "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who
>>     are neither
>>     > inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things
>>     worse for
>>     > the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather
>>     to encourage
>>     > than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
>>     greater
>>     > confidence than an armed one."
>>     > Thomas Jefferson
>>     >
>>     > On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Bryan D. Boyle
>>     <bdboyle@bdboyle.com <mailto:bdboyle@bdboyle.com>>
>>     > wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> send the email chain with all the insults and legal threats,
>>     their public
>>     >> refusal to release the source, and all correspondence to the
>>     Open Source
>>     >> Foundation, whose GPL the source was originally licensed
>>     under.  Jim had an
>>     >> opinion about people like that...which is why he fought to
>>     keep it open
>>     >> source.
>>     >>
>>     >> That's what their lawyers' job is; you aren't going to fight their
>>     >> massive self-reverential egos over there.
>>     >>
>>     >> (and I really don't care whether they ban me for telling it
>>     like I see it)
>>     >> --
>>     >> Bryan
>>     >> Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the
>>     sending of this
>>     >> message.
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> On Jul 9, 2017, at 13:35, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net
>>     <mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net>> wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >> I'm taking this back on list.  It's an important enough
>>     response to have
>>     >> it
>>     >> here.  You may ignore this thread if you wish.
>>     >>
>>     >> On 7/9/17 1:21 PM, David McGough wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> Neil,
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> I have taken these comments off list.
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> At this point you are taking a childish argument to a criminal
>>     level,
>>     >>
>>     >> claiming a "back door" into the hamvoip distro and that
>>     statement is
>>     >>
>>     >> absolutely a LIE.
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> With these statements you are committing criminal libel.
>>     Whether you you
>>     >>
>>     >> it or not, I am an Internet Business owner and I build custom
>>     routers for
>>     >>
>>     >> several fortune 1000 Companies and have thousands installed
>>     across 80+
>>     >>
>>     >> Countries. Your comments are tarnishing to my reputation. I
>>     seriously
>>     >>
>>     >> recommend that you either promptly come up with proof to back
>>     up your
>>     >>
>>     >> statement or retract it.
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> A person with such contempt for the law should not be
>>     lecturing others
>>     >> about
>>     >> it. I further fail to see why I am copied on this, are you
>>     threatening
>>     >> legal
>>     >> action?
>>     >>
>>     >> Release the source, you have no other option.
>>     >>
>>     >> As someone building routers, you should be familiar with the
>>     finer points
>>     >> of
>>     >> the GPL.  I have to say, as someone who also has a day job
>>     with a company
>>     >> who
>>     >> builds routers, I've never heard of Internet Technologies.
>>     >>
>>     >> 73's
>>     >> --
>>     >> Bryan Fields
>>     >>
>>     >> 727-409-1194 <tel:727-409-1194> <(727)%20409-1194> - Voice
>>     >> http://bryanfields.net
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