PTTLink Update: It’s been a quick past few days and the group wanted to give an update on some items: Implementation of multi-network app_rpt. Initial efforts have begun to implement multi-network support in app_rpt. The concept our team has is to make use of a what is called a network prefix code associated with groups wanting to run their own networks. PTTLink will be one of the first networks and we expect AllStarLink will follow suit. To help facilitate this we are reserving the first two network prefixes with the first to be assigned to AllStarLink (if they wish to participate) and the second to PTTLink. Methods to publicly request a network prefix will be created using a similar procedure to https://dn42.net. Anyone will be able to request a network prefix using a newly created public GitHub repository (more details below). By doing this on GitHub, all requests, and actions are completely visible to the community at large. There are a number of technical challenges. This includes default network dialing, keeping backward compatibility with the existing networks, selecting a method to dial other networks, and how to securely allow connections from other nodes. We’re hoping to have more details on this in the coming weeks, and look forward to community comments on our recommendations. Open sourcing PTTLink’s registration systems. It’s nearly impossible to add more networks to the Amateur Radio VoIP landscape without giving more tools to groups to build them. As such, we’re putting the final touches on a Python based registration system that is easy to configure and use. This can simplify other interested parties in forming their own networks. Our goal is to foster innovation within our humble corner of the internet and this will hopefully bring us closer. Iterations of new registration tools have been in development for a few months and were already deployed in experimental phases. This new iteration is geared towards general usage as opposed to internal use only. To be fully clear, the project to create this was started independently several months ago before the formation of PTTLink. Only after events that created PTTLink was the decision made by the developer to create the registration system in Python and license its use for the community. New GitHub Based Organization. We believe network agnostic code should not be held by any single network. That has the potential to stifle the innovation we believe in. As such, a new GitHub based organization was created to house all the community code bases associated with the VoIP interconnection of repeaters, this includes the above projects this team is releasing to the amateur radio community.: Please keep an eye on https://GitHub.com/Apprpt-Central for current and future releases. New PTTLink portal. With the implementation of multi-network support on app_rpt, we want interested parties to have the ability to keep the same node number(s) that were originally assigned by AllStarLink (“ASL”) on the PTTLink network. Part of this includes a new management portal for nodes within the PTTLink network. This isn’t a small feat, given the state of the existing codebase. We’ve elected to start from scratch and migrate interested parties. Multi-language node configuration menu. Looking to make the project more accessible to the community, we are implementing multilingual versions for the shell configuration menu, starting with the Spanish language, including a first time configuration menu. As follow ups to our Letter to the community: Regarding not revoking access: We pledge to not remove or modify any post on any mailing list, forum, or otherwise within our control. We believe everyone is entitled to their opinions. However, there will be times we’ll need to end threads, moderate, and maybe forbid someone from posting for periods of time. The process for moderation isn’t something to be decided quickly, and a better, clearer policy with the expectation of having community input will follow. Of course, in the interest of privacy to those involved, requests from individuals regarding their personal information will not be shared with anyone else. A reminder that adding a registration line to your IAX2 config file only signals your intent to have the same node number on PTTLink, all call routing will still remain on the AllStarLink network until the multi-network implementation is added to app_rpt - You should NOT remove any existing registration lines unless you no longer want to register with that network. A little about PTTLink: The PTTLink team is made up of multiple individuals trying to give back to the amateur radio community. We strongly believe in sharing knowledge and helping others get on the air. We have members from multiple countries and look forward to having representation from other nations. Our backgrounds include Internet and computer security, major internet and telecom networking, project management, and web design. Rather than speak of our individual experience and qualifications, the PTTLink team were the developers, administrators, and operations members of the AllStarLink network. During our tenure, AllStarLink moved from a single server to a world wide scalable redundant cluster, systems were redesigned, lines upon lines of backend code were written then debugged and our team provided all user level support. We look forward to working with community members on the development and innovation of interconnecting repeaters, hotspots, and hams all over the world, whether it be via the PTTLink Network or your very own network. Signed, The PTTLink Team
On Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:51 PM, PTTLink Admin <admin@rt.pttlink.org> wrote:
PTTLink Update:
It’s been a quick past few days and the group wanted to give an update on some items:
Implementation of multi-network app_rpt.
Initial efforts have begun to implement multi-network support in app_rpt. The concept our team has is to make use of a what is called a network prefix code associated with groups wanting to run their own networks. PTTLink will be one of the first networks and we expect AllStarLink will follow suit. To help facilitate this we are reserving the first two network prefixes with the first to be assigned to AllStarLink (if they wish to participate) and the second to PTTLink. Methods to publicly request a network prefix will be created using a similar procedure to https://dn42.net. Anyone will be able to request a network prefix using a newly created public GitHub repository (more details below). By doing this on GitHub, all requests, and actions are completely visible to the community at large.
There are a number of technical challenges. This includes default network dialing, keeping backward compatibility with the existing networks, selecting a method to dial other networks, and how to securely allow connections from other nodes. We’re hoping to have more details on this in the coming weeks, and look forward to community comments on our recommendations.
Open sourcing PTTLink’s registration systems.
It’s nearly impossible to add more networks to the Amateur Radio VoIP landscape without giving more tools to groups to build them. As such, we’re putting the final touches on a Python based registration system that is easy to configure and use. This can simplify other interested parties in forming their own networks. Our goal is to foster innovation within our humble corner of the internet and this will hopefully bring us closer. Iterations of new registration tools have been in development for a few months and were already deployed in experimental phases. This new iteration is geared towards general usage as opposed to internal use only. To be fully clear, the project to create this was started independently several months ago before the formation of PTTLink. Only after events that created PTTLink was the decision made by the developer to create the registration system in Python and license its use for the community.
New GitHub Based Organization.
We believe network agnostic code should not be held by any single network. That has the potential to stifle the innovation we believe in. As such, a new GitHub based organization was created to house all the community code bases associated with the VoIP interconnection of repeaters, this includes the above projects this team is releasing to the amateur radio community.: Please keep an eye on https://GitHub.com/Apprpt-Central for current and future releases.
New PTTLink portal.
With the implementation of multi-network support on app_rpt, we want interested parties to have the ability to keep the same node number(s) that were originally assigned by AllStarLink (“ASL”) on the PTTLink network. Part of this includes a new management portal for nodes within the PTTLink network. This isn’t a small feat, given the state of the existing codebase. We’ve elected to start from scratch and migrate interested parties.
Multi-language node configuration menu.
Looking to make the project more accessible to the community, we are implementing multilingual versions for the shell configuration menu, starting with the Spanish language, including a first time configuration menu.
As follow ups to our Letter to the community: Regarding not revoking access: We pledge to not remove or modify any post on any mailing list, forum, or otherwise within our control. We believe everyone is entitled to their opinions. However, there will be times we’ll need to end threads, moderate, and maybe forbid someone from posting for periods of time. The process for moderation isn’t something to be decided quickly, and a better, clearer policy with the expectation of having community input will follow.
Of course, in the interest of privacy to those involved, requests from individuals regarding their personal information will not be shared with anyone else.
A reminder that adding a registration line to your IAX2 config file only signals your intent to have the same node number on PTTLink, all call routing will still remain on the AllStarLink network until the multi-network implementation is added to app_rpt - You should NOT remove any existing registration lines unless you no longer want to register with that network.
A little about PTTLink:
The PTTLink team is made up of multiple individuals trying to give back to the amateur radio community. We strongly believe in sharing knowledge and helping others get on the air. We have members from multiple countries and look forward to having representation from other nations. Our backgrounds include Internet and computer security, major internet and telecom networking, project management, and web design. Rather than speak of our individual experience and qualifications, the PTTLink team were the developers, administrators, and operations members of the AllStarLink network. During our tenure, AllStarLink moved from a single server to a world wide scalable redundant cluster, systems were redesigned, lines upon lines of backend code were written then debugged and our team provided all user level support.
We look forward to working with community members on the development and innovation of interconnecting repeaters, hotspots, and hams all over the world, whether it be via the PTTLink Network or your very own network.
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Now that you have a nice shiny new GitHub organization, will you kindly change the name of the original AllStarLink organization back from PttLink and return control back to the AllStarLink group? I think Steve Zingman is still waiting for an answer on why you all felt like you needed to mutilate his work.
you will remove me from this list and all your bogus registrations in your purported and cobbled up network. So what, you invented area codes. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone... No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message. Quiquid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
On Jan 7, 2021, at 22:52, PTTLink Admin <admin@rt.pttlink.org> wrote:
PTTLink Update:
It’s been a quick past few days and the group wanted to give an update on some items:
Implementation of multi-network app_rpt.
Initial efforts have begun to implement multi-network support in app_rpt. The concept our team has is to make use of a what is called a network prefix code associated with groups wanting to run their own networks. PTTLink will be one of the first networks and we expect AllStarLink will follow suit. To help facilitate this we are reserving the first two network prefixes with the first to be assigned to AllStarLink (if they wish to participate) and the second to PTTLink. Methods to publicly request a network prefix will be created using a similar procedure to https://dn42.net. Anyone will be able to request a network prefix using a newly created public GitHub repository (more details below). By doing this on GitHub, all requests, and actions are completely visible to the community at large.
There are a number of technical challenges. This includes default network dialing, keeping backward compatibility with the existing networks, selecting a method to dial other networks, and how to securely allow connections from other nodes. We’re hoping to have more details on this in the coming weeks, and look forward to community comments on our recommendations.
Open sourcing PTTLink’s registration systems.
It’s nearly impossible to add more networks to the Amateur Radio VoIP landscape without giving more tools to groups to build them. As such, we’re putting the final touches on a Python based registration system that is easy to configure and use. This can simplify other interested parties in forming their own networks. Our goal is to foster innovation within our humble corner of the internet and this will hopefully bring us closer. Iterations of new registration tools have been in development for a few months and were already deployed in experimental phases. This new iteration is geared towards general usage as opposed to internal use only. To be fully clear, the project to create this was started independently several months ago before the formation of PTTLink. Only after events that created PTTLink was the decision made by the developer to create the registration system in Python and license its use for the community.
New GitHub Based Organization.
We believe network agnostic code should not be held by any single network. That has the potential to stifle the innovation we believe in. As such, a new GitHub based organization was created to house all the community code bases associated with the VoIP interconnection of repeaters, this includes the above projects this team is releasing to the amateur radio community.: Please keep an eye on https://GitHub.com/Apprpt-Central for current and future releases.
New PTTLink portal.
With the implementation of multi-network support on app_rpt, we want interested parties to have the ability to keep the same node number(s) that were originally assigned by AllStarLink (“ASL”) on the PTTLink network. Part of this includes a new management portal for nodes within the PTTLink network. This isn’t a small feat, given the state of the existing codebase. We’ve elected to start from scratch and migrate interested parties.
Multi-language node configuration menu.
Looking to make the project more accessible to the community, we are implementing multilingual versions for the shell configuration menu, starting with the Spanish language, including a first time configuration menu.
As follow ups to our Letter to the community: Regarding not revoking access: We pledge to not remove or modify any post on any mailing list, forum, or otherwise within our control. We believe everyone is entitled to their opinions. However, there will be times we’ll need to end threads, moderate, and maybe forbid someone from posting for periods of time. The process for moderation isn’t something to be decided quickly, and a better, clearer policy with the expectation of having community input will follow.
Of course, in the interest of privacy to those involved, requests from individuals regarding their personal information will not be shared with anyone else.
A reminder that adding a registration line to your IAX2 config file only signals your intent to have the same node number on PTTLink, all call routing will still remain on the AllStarLink network until the multi-network implementation is added to app_rpt - You should NOT remove any existing registration lines unless you no longer want to register with that network.
A little about PTTLink:
The PTTLink team is made up of multiple individuals trying to give back to the amateur radio community. We strongly believe in sharing knowledge and helping others get on the air. We have members from multiple countries and look forward to having representation from other nations. Our backgrounds include Internet and computer security, major internet and telecom networking, project management, and web design. Rather than speak of our individual experience and qualifications, the PTTLink team were the developers, administrators, and operations members of the AllStarLink network. During our tenure, AllStarLink moved from a single server to a world wide scalable redundant cluster, systems were redesigned, lines upon lines of backend code were written then debugged and our team provided all user level support.
We look forward to working with community members on the development and innovation of interconnecting repeaters, hotspots, and hams all over the world, whether it be via the PTTLink Network or your very own network.
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, January 8, 2021 4:36 AM, Bryan D. Boyle <bdboyle@bdboyle.com> wrote:
you will remove me from this list and all your bogus registrations in your purported and cobbled up network.
So what, you invented area codes.
I don't think this is the forum for requesting removal. Directions to unsubscribe are at the bottom of each email. I recall instructions on asking for data removal on the letter that was sent too. I personally applaud these changes and PTTLink's recent move to make inter network communication a whole lot easier. I also applaud them sharing the tools and resources to do this. Too many in this community hoard knowledge and code and won't share it. And the negativity when there is a change blows my mind. Bravo PTTLink Team. Thank you for the insightful update and taking the lead in innovation. I look forward to your team's future contributions to the hobby. It was asked on community if there would be some diagram or map on the network. Do you have any plans on sharing this as well?
I don't think this is the forum for requesting removal. Directions to unsubscribe are at the bottom of each email. I recall instructions on asking for data removal on the letter that was sent too.
I personally applaud these changes and PTTLink's recent move to make inter network communication a whole lot easier. I also applaud them sharing the tools and resources to do this. Too many in this community hoard knowledge and code and won't share it. And the negativity when there is a change blows my mind.
Bravo PTTLink Team. Thank you for the insightful update and taking the lead in innovation.
I look forward to your team's future contributions to the hobby.
It was asked on community if there would be some diagram or map on the network. Do you have any plans on sharing this as well?
Dear fellow fake email user: Stylometry is not your friend. Also, I've been asked by the list admins (who happen to also be the pttlink folks) that I make it clear that I'm not affiliated with pttlink. I will proudly do so. I now ask that you no longer purport yourselves as agents of AllStar or AllStarLink. Although you were officially part of the project at one point, you are now rogues. You have been asked to remove logos and other potential trademarks from your systems and to remove AllStarLink Inc's data from systems previously used by Allstar which have been co-opted for pttlink. If you're going to do this, do it right. Start from scratch, build a better mousetrap, and win the hearts and minds of non-captive communities with your new product.
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46 AM, pttlink via App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> wrote:
Dear fellow fake email user:
Stylometry is not your friend.
Also, I've been asked by the list admins (who happen to also be the pttlink folks) that I make it clear that I'm not affiliated with pttlink. I will proudly do so. I now ask that you no longer purport yourselves as agents of AllStar or AllStarLink. Although you were officially part of the project at one point, you are now rogues. You have been asked to remove logos and other potential trademarks from your systems and to remove AllStarLink Inc's data from systems previously used by Allstar which have been co-opted for pttlink. If you're going to do this, do it right. Start from scratch, build a better mousetrap, and win the hearts and minds of non-captive communities with your new product.
I will bite. Who am I then?
I am not involved in the politics but I welcome open sourcing the tools to build individual and federated networks, assuming it can be done whilst respecting the licenses of any existing code. Great idea! Matthew 2E0SIP On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:59 PM PeteM via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> wrote:
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46 AM, pttlink via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> wrote:
Dear fellow fake email user:
Stylometry is not your friend.
Also, I've been asked by the list admins (who happen to also be the pttlink folks) that I make it clear that I'm not affiliated with pttlink. I will proudly do so. I now ask that you no longer purport yourselves as agents of AllStar or AllStarLink. Although you were officially part of the project at one point, you are now rogues. You have been asked to remove logos and other potential trademarks from your systems and to remove AllStarLink Inc's data from systems previously used by Allstar which have been co-opted for pttlink. If you're going to do this, do it right. Start from scratch, build a better mousetrap, and win the hearts and minds of non-captive communities with your new product.
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I think forks are great, imagine the possibilities! Introducing MemeLink, a fork of the ptt link network where only frequencies ending in .420 or .690 are allowed and all simplex nodes are encouraged on the 420.420 national calling channel, especially when they are in range of each other using the same PL tone. Introducing DogeLink, a fork of the memeLink network where all simplex nodes and repeaters must be attached to the dog. A bark courtesy tone is required. Introducing priorityLink. Interconnection is authenticated using voice recognition where only members who have their voice characteristics recognized will be repeated. All other users will be held on a waiting list in line via the CongressSimulator and the transmission will be rebroadcasted once authentication is successful ( 1-2 month waiting time). On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 4:21 PM 2E0SIP <app_rpt@marrold.co.uk> wrote:
I am not involved in the politics but I welcome open sourcing the tools to build individual and federated networks, assuming it can be done whilst respecting the licenses of any existing code.
Great idea!
Matthew 2E0SIP
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:59 PM PeteM via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> wrote:
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46 AM, pttlink via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> wrote:
Dear fellow fake email user:
Stylometry is not your friend.
Also, I've been asked by the list admins (who happen to also be the pttlink folks) that I make it clear that I'm not affiliated with pttlink. I will proudly do so. I now ask that you no longer purport yourselves as agents of AllStar or AllStarLink. Although you were officially part of the project at one point, you are now rogues. You have been asked to remove logos and other potential trademarks from your systems and to remove AllStarLink Inc's data from systems previously used by Allstar which have been co-opted for pttlink. If you're going to do this, do it right. Start from scratch, build a better mousetrap, and win the hearts and minds of non-captive communities with your new product.
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I will bite. Who am I then?
I think you misunderstood. What I am saying is that you're doing an awful lot of talking for someone who is obviously trying to remain anonymous. At this point I think I might be doing the same. However, If we're entertaining guesses, I'm going to say Bryan because of how much this sounds like disenfran45 on Reddit.
You need HamVOIPLink, a fork of PTTLink to only use the secret HamVOIP copied version of Allstarlink. Im out On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 9:02 PM pttlink via App_rpt-users < app_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org> wrote:
I will bite. Who am I then?
I think you misunderstood. What I am saying is that you're doing an awful lot of talking for someone who is obviously trying to remain anonymous. At this point I think I might be doing the same. However, If we're entertaining guesses, I'm going to say Bryan because of how much this sounds like disenfran45 on Reddit. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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