Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable
Pete, Thanks for the information on how you have been using the RTCM. It seems that there are many different applications that one can use these RTCM's for. They are kind of universal in nature. Enjoyed the photo of the portable traveling node. Just had one question about the Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge. Can you give/explain a little more information on it? I am interested in how this works to provide the internet for your setup. Thanks Marshall _____ From: Peter Elke [mailto:pete.elke@esquared.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:44 AM To: Marshall Oldham; Jim Duuuude; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Hi Marshal, We have been running two separate test projects with the module over the last few weeks. So far they seem very functional and cut down on node management if your goal is "perma-link" nodes. The first project is to take separate sites and merge them into one frequency (and one big node). At this point we have two of the eight cut over and we have worked out the basic mechanics. We use Micor receivers and MSX100 transmitters (that may change). The transmitters are frequency locked using MSF5000 UHSO units with the reference source being a GPS's 10Mhz output. The UHSO creates 14.4Mhz that is fed into the MCX units. In our testing it became very clear that all of the radios need to be identical. The voting is very cool, you can watch as is switches between the receive sites (very quickly, multiple times in a 1 second period) and the toggling goes unnoticed on the repeater's output. Our next phase is to create larger overlapping coverage area to see how it sounds mixed by adding a third site in the middle of the current two. At this point we don't have much simulcast data, the overlap area is quite small. The other project is an upgrade to my portable Beagleboard node that I use traveling. The old version was an Astro portable driven by a LOX board. The Beagle had a USB WiFi to a Verizon hot spot box. The upgrade swaps out the beagle for a RTCM and makes the connection from the road automatic. To create the internet for the module the old USB wifi was switched out for a Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge. When there is cell coverage it works and when there is no cell coverage it's dead, simple, easy, no-dialing. The first road test was today, all went well other than some LTE Verizon problems. Over all very cool stuff. Pete WI6H. From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Marshall Oldham Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:23 PM To: 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list' Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Jim, Okay so one server running Allstar node software at a central location (like my house) can support a dozen RTCM's being used as "Generic" conventional full duplex (repeaters) radio interfaces on far away hilltops even if I do not want to use the RTCM GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting or Simulcast Transmitter features? As long as I have some sort of internet connection at the remote sites back to my house? If I understand this correctly this would mean that: 1) No cost of computer at the radio site. 2) No worry about the node computer locking up at the remote radio site and having to reboot or reset it. 3) No cost other than the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) to setup an Allstar node at the remote radio site. (no computer, no URI, no Sound FOB) 4) If I use the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) I have the ability to setup a normal Allstar node at the present time and then later if I want to I can upgrade the hilltop for GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting and Simulcast Transmitter by simply adding a GPS receiver at the site and reconfiguring the software. If so, this seems like a pretty cool little piece of hardware! Marshall - ke6pcv _____ From: Jim Duuuude [mailto:telesistant@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:52 AM To: Marshall Oldham; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailable Yeah, that's the general idea. The location of the Linux server running app_rpt/Asterisk can be more or less anywhere within Internet connectivity of all of the receiver and/or transmitter sites. Of course, "Internet" can mean either some sort of public Internet connection, or a privately-provided Internet connection (low-cost microwave link(s), etc). The only limitation is that an RTCM/Voter module *must* be located on the same LAN as the Linux server, to at least provide a GPS-based timing reference. A system could be set up with a server located in some sort of datacenter "on the ground", and all the radios could have an RTCM "on the hill" with them, and as long as there is Internet connectivity of some sort between each of them and the server, the system will work nicely. That is providing that there is an RTCM located at the server location also (whether or not that particular RTCM has radio hardware connected to it or not). One minimal Linux server can easily support 1 or 2 dozen RTCM's (on 1 or 2 allstar nodes), and a larger server could easily support MANY dozens of them on dozens of allstar nodes. Of course, you REALLY dont want to put too many of them on a single server, being a potential single point of failure. For pretty much any practical purpose, the reasonable limitation is the point of failure/redundancy issue, not technical limitations. I'm not sure if you were clear on this, so I thought I would mention that the RTCM is not just usable as a GPS-timing-based Multi-Receiver Voting system and/or a Simulcast Transmitter system. It can also be used as a "generic" radio interface for a conventional (non-GPS-based) either simplex or full duplex (repeater) radio. The advantage of doing this would be to not have the Linux host "on the hill" with the radio (as mentioned above). In addition, the RTCM allows for portable/mobile operation with a mobile/portable Internet connection in both the GPS-based and non-GPS-based environments. JIM WB6NIL _____ From: ke6pcv@cal-net.org To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailable I have been looking at the Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) and it really looks like a GREAT product and addition to the already cool Allstar hardware. Among all the other cool features of the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) like Transmitter Simulcasting and Receiver Voting, if I understand the documentation correctly you can use this very small Radio Thin Client Module at a remote radio site to set up an Allstar repeater node if the site has internet connection without a COMPUTER at the site? Then you can point the node on the hilltop back to a server on the ground somewhere that is easy to get too? How many total sites can you use Radio Thin Client Modules on and point back to a single server on the ground? If this is the case, All I can say is WOW, how cool! 73 Marshall _____ From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Mark Guibord Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:03 AM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailable Allstar RTCM Radio Thin-Client Module, an Open-Source VOIP-Based Voting Multi-Receiver and Simulcast Transmit System is now available for purchase. For more information visit http://micro-node.com/thin-m1.html Regards, Mark Guibord Micro-Node International _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
Hi Marshall, My Verizon mobile hot-spot only supplies internet over WiFi so I had to come up with a way of getting the Ethernet jack on the module connected up. The PicoStation is normally used as a small access point but their software allow it to be reversed as a WiFi bridge (or client). A typical use might be to connect a game console to WiFi at a location where wires are unavailable. You basically tell PicoStation the SSID you want to bridge to and like magic you have a wired Ethernet connection. A better way for a dedicated setup would be a USB based Cellular WAN fob connected to a CradlePoint unit. That would eliminate the WIFi part and be a direct connection from RTCM to the cellular network. Pete/WI6H From: Marshall Oldham [mailto:ke6pcv@cal-net.org] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:39 AM To: Peter Elke; 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list' Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Pete, Thanks for the information on how you have been using the RTCM. It seems that there are many different applications that one can use these RTCM's for. They are kind of universal in nature. Enjoyed the photo of the portable traveling node. Just had one question about the Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge. Can you give/explain a little more information on it? I am interested in how this works to provide the internet for your setup. Thanks Marshall ________________________________ From: Peter Elke [mailto:pete.elke@esquared.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:44 AM To: Marshall Oldham; Jim Duuuude; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Hi Marshal, We have been running two separate test projects with the module over the last few weeks. So far they seem very functional and cut down on node management if your goal is "perma-link" nodes. The first project is to take separate sites and merge them into one frequency (and one big node). At this point we have two of the eight cut over and we have worked out the basic mechanics. We use Micor receivers and MSX100 transmitters (that may change). The transmitters are frequency locked using MSF5000 UHSO units with the reference source being a GPS's 10Mhz output. The UHSO creates 14.4Mhz that is fed into the MCX units. In our testing it became very clear that all of the radios need to be identical. The voting is very cool, you can watch as is switches between the receive sites (very quickly, multiple times in a 1 second period) and the toggling goes unnoticed on the repeater's output. Our next phase is to create larger overlapping coverage area to see how it sounds mixed by adding a third site in the middle of the current two. At this point we don't have much simulcast data, the overlap area is quite small. The other project is an upgrade to my portable Beagleboard node that I use traveling. The old version was an Astro portable driven by a LOX board. The Beagle had a USB WiFi to a Verizon hot spot box. The upgrade swaps out the beagle for a RTCM and makes the connection from the road automatic. To create the internet for the module the old USB wifi was switched out for a Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge. When there is cell coverage it works and when there is no cell coverage it's dead, simple, easy, no-dialing. The first road test was today, all went well other than some LTE Verizon problems. Over all very cool stuff... Pete WI6H... From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Marshall Oldham Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:23 PM To: 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list' Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Jim, Okay so one server running Allstar node software at a central location (like my house) can support a dozen RTCM's being used as "Generic" conventional full duplex (repeaters) radio interfaces on far away hilltops even if I do not want to use the RTCM GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting or Simulcast Transmitter features? As long as I have some sort of internet connection at the remote sites back to my house? If I understand this correctly this would mean that: 1) No cost of computer at the radio site. 2) No worry about the node computer locking up at the remote radio site and having to reboot or reset it. 3) No cost other than the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) to setup an Allstar node at the remote radio site. (no computer, no URI, no Sound FOB) 4) If I use the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) I have the ability to setup a normal Allstar node at the present time and then later if I want to I can upgrade the hilltop for GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting and Simulcast Transmitter by simply adding a GPS receiver at the site and reconfiguring the software. If so, this seems like a pretty cool little piece of hardware! Marshall - ke6pcv ________________________________ From: Jim Duuuude [mailto:telesistant@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:52 AM To: Marshall Oldham; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailable Yeah, that's the general idea. The location of the Linux server running app_rpt/Asterisk can be more or less anywhere within Internet connectivity of all of the receiver and/or transmitter sites. Of course, "Internet" can mean either some sort of public Internet connection, or a privately-provided Internet connection (low-cost microwave link(s), etc). The only limitation is that an RTCM/Voter module *must* be located on the same LAN as the Linux server, to at least provide a GPS-based timing reference. A system could be set up with a server located in some sort of datacenter "on the ground", and all the radios could have an RTCM "on the hill" with them, and as long as there is Internet connectivity of some sort between each of them and the server, the system will work nicely. That is providing that there is an RTCM located at the server location also (whether or not that particular RTCM has radio hardware connected to it or not). One minimal Linux server can easily support 1 or 2 dozen RTCM's (on 1 or 2 allstar nodes), and a larger server could easily support MANY dozens of them on dozens of allstar nodes. Of course, you REALLY dont want to put too many of them on a single server, being a potential single point of failure. For pretty much any practical purpose, the reasonable limitation is the point of failure/redundancy issue, not technical limitations. I'm not sure if you were clear on this, so I thought I would mention that the RTCM is not just usable as a GPS-timing-based Multi-Receiver Voting system and/or a Simulcast Transmitter system. It can also be used as a "generic" radio interface for a conventional (non-GPS-based) either simplex or full duplex (repeater) radio. The advantage of doing this would be to not have the Linux host "on the hill" with the radio (as mentioned above). In addition, the RTCM allows for portable/mobile operation with a mobile/portable Internet connection in both the GPS-based and non-GPS-based environments. JIM WB6NIL ________________________________ From: ke6pcv@cal-net.org To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailable I have been looking at the Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) and it really looks like a GREAT product and addition to the already cool Allstar hardware. Among all the other cool features of the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) like Transmitter Simulcasting and Receiver Voting, if I understand the documentation correctly you can use this very small Radio Thin Client Module at a remote radio site to set up an Allstar repeater node if the site has internet connection without a COMPUTER at the site? Then you can point the node on the hilltop back to a server on the ground somewhere that is easy to get too? How many total sites can you use Radio Thin Client Modules on and point back to a single server on the ground? If this is the case, All I can say is WOW, how cool! 73 Marshall ________________________________ From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Mark Guibord Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:03 AM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailable Allstar RTCM Radio Thin-Client Module, an Open-Source VOIP-Based Voting Multi-Receiver and Simulcast Transmit System is now available for purchase. For more information visit http://micro-node.com/thin-m1.html Regards, Mark Guibord Micro-Node International _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
Pete In fact a Cradlepoint CTR-500 (TravelRouter) and a Virgin Mobile USB cellular 3G wireless module is exactly what I have here, and is what I used for testing of the RTCM in the mobile/cellular environment. The router is VERY cute and small, and sits nicely on top of the RTCM (its even smaller then the RTCM). It, like the RTCM is designed to be low power and is a nice way to go for such an installation (good for portable use on batteries, etc). I got my Virgin Mobile card at WalMart, and if you buy one there they offer a special plan where for $20 per month you get 1GB of Internet data transfer (WAAAAY more then enough for radio usage). In addition, since it is a non-committed prepay plan, you can only pay for it on months when you need it. They also have an option, where for $10 you get 10 days of use and 250MB of data. I also chose it for testing, since that particular service from my particular location up here in the mountains in the middle of nowhere happens to get no more the "1 bar" of signal strength on their network, and then only in the "right" spots. In addition, their connectivity is double-NATed and hops across the country a couple of times. I wanted to have a "worst case scenario" for testing. It great! Even on a latent double-NATed cellular network, you can just plug the RTCM into it without any special provisioning and it JUST WORKS. Anywhere else outside of this immediate area, it has lots of "bars" and provides very good service. JIM WB6NIL Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:13:31 +0000 From: pete.elke@esquared.com To: ke6pcv@cal-net.org; telesistant@hotmail.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Hi Marshall, My Verizon mobile hot-spot only supplies internet over WiFi so I had to come up with a way of getting the Ethernet jack on the module connected up. The PicoStation is normally used as a small access point but their software allow it to be reversed as a WiFi bridge (or client). A typical use might be to connect a game console to WiFi at a location where wires are unavailable. You basically tell PicoStation the SSID you want to bridge to and like magic you have a wired Ethernet connection. A better way for a dedicated setup would be a USB based Cellular WAN fob connected to a CradlePoint unit. That would eliminate the WIFi part and be a direct connection from RTCM to the cellular network. Pete/WI6H From: Marshall Oldham [mailto:ke6pcv@cal-net.org] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:39 AM To: Peter Elke; 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list' Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Pete, Thanks for the information on how you have been using the RTCM. It seems that there are many different applications that one can use these RTCM's for. They are kind of universal in nature. Enjoyed the photo of the portable traveling node. Just had one question about the Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge.Can you give/explain a little more information on it? I am interested in how this works to provide the internet for your setup. Thanks Marshall From: Peter Elke [mailto:pete.elke@esquared.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:44 AM To: Marshall Oldham; Jim Duuuude; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailableHi Marshal, We have been running two separate test projects with the module over the last few weeks. So far they seem very functional and cut down on node management if your goal is “perma-link” nodes. The first project is to take separate sites and merge them into one frequency (and one big node). At this point we have two of the eight cut over and we have worked out the basic mechanics. We use Micor receivers and MSX100 transmitters (that may change). The transmitters are frequency locked using MSF5000 UHSO units with the reference source being a GPS’s 10Mhz output. The UHSO creates 14.4Mhz that is fed into the MCX units. In our testing it became very clear that all of the radios need to be identical. The voting is very cool, you can watch as is switches between the receive sites (very quickly, multiple times in a 1 second period) and the toggling goes unnoticed on the repeater’s output. Our next phase is to create larger overlapping coverage area to see how it sounds mixed by adding a third site in the middle of the current two. At this point we don’t have much simulcast data, the overlap area is quite small. The other project is an upgrade to my portable Beagleboard node that I use traveling. The old version was an Astro portable driven by a LOX board. The Beagle had a USB WiFi to a Verizon hot spot box. The upgrade swaps out the beagle for a RTCM and makes the connection from the road automatic. To create the internet for the module the old USB wifi was switched out for a Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge. When there is cell coverage it works and when there is no cell coverage it’s dead, simple, easy, no-dialing. The first road test was today, all went well other than some LTE Verizon problems. Over all very cool stuff… Pete WI6H… From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Marshall Oldham Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:23 PM To: 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list' Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Jim, Okay so one server running Allstar node software at a central location (like my house) can support a dozen RTCM's being used as "Generic" conventional full duplex (repeaters) radio interfaces on far away hilltops even if I do not want to use the RTCM GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting or Simulcast Transmitter features?As long as I have some sort of internet connection at the remote sites back to my house? If I understand this correctly this would mean that: 1) No cost of computer at the radio site.2) No worry about the node computer locking up at the remote radio site and having to reboot or reset it.3) No cost other than the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) to setup an Allstar node at the remote radio site. (no computer, no URI, no Sound FOB) 4) If I use the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) I have the ability to setup a normal Allstar node at the present time and then later if I want to I can upgrade the hilltop for GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting and Simulcast Transmitter by simply adding a GPS receiver at the site and reconfiguring the software. If so, this seems like a pretty cool little piece of hardware! Marshall - ke6pcv From: Jim Duuuude [mailto:telesistant@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:52 AM To: Marshall Oldham; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailableYeah, that's the general idea. The location of the Linux server running app_rpt/Asterisk can be more or less anywhere within Internet connectivity of all of the receiver and/or transmitter sites. Of course, "Internet" can mean either some sort of public Internet connection, or a privately-provided Internet connection (low-cost microwave link(s), etc). The only limitation is that an RTCM/Voter module *must* be located on the same LAN as the Linux server, to at least provide a GPS-based timing reference. A system could be set up with a server located in some sort of datacenter "on the ground", and all the radios could have an RTCM "on the hill" with them, and as long as there is Internet connectivity of some sort between each of them and the server, the system will work nicely. That is providing that there is an RTCM located at the server location also (whether or not that particular RTCM has radio hardware connected to it or not). One minimal Linux server can easily support 1 or 2 dozen RTCM's (on 1 or 2 allstar nodes), and a larger server could easily support MANY dozens of them on dozens of allstar nodes. Of course, you REALLY dont want to put too many of them on a single server, being a potential single point of failure. For pretty much any practical purpose, the reasonable limitation is the point of failure/redundancy issue, not technical limitations. I'm not sure if you were clear on this, so I thought I would mention that the RTCM is not just usable as a GPS-timing-based Multi-Receiver Voting system and/or a Simulcast Transmitter system. It can also be used as a "generic" radio interface for a conventional (non-GPS-based) either simplex or full duplex (repeater) radio. The advantage of doing this would be to not have the Linux host "on the hill" with the radio (as mentioned above). In addition, the RTCM allows for portable/mobile operation with a mobile/portable Internet connection in both the GPS-based and non-GPS-based environments. JIM WB6NILFrom: ke6pcv@cal-net.org To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailableI have been looking at the Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) and it really looks like a GREAT product and addition to the already cool Allstar hardware. Among all the other cool features of the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) like Transmitter Simulcasting and Receiver Voting, if I understand the documentation correctly you can use this very small Radio Thin Client Module at a remote radio site to set up an Allstar repeater node if the site has internet connection without a COMPUTER at the site? Then you can point the node on the hilltop back to a server on the ground somewhere that is easy to get too? How many total sites can you use Radio Thin Client Modules on and point back to a single server on the ground? If this is the case, All I can say is WOW, how cool! 73 Marshall From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Mark Guibord Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:03 AM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailableAllstar RTCM Radio Thin-Client Module, an Open-Source VOIP-Based Voting Multi-Receiver and Simulcast Transmit System is now available for purchase. For more information visit http://micro-node.com/thin-m1.html Regards,Mark GuibordMicro-Node International _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
Jim, You are the only guy in the cell store shopping for slow and weak coverage! "yes, but I need it crappy, lots of hops. Don't you understand" (cell guy staring back) Pete From: Jim Duuuude [mailto:telesistant@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:27 AM To: Peter Elke; Marshall Oldham; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Pete In fact a Cradlepoint CTR-500 (TravelRouter) and a Virgin Mobile USB cellular 3G wireless module is exactly what I have here, and is what I used for testing of the RTCM in the mobile/cellular environment. The router is VERY cute and small, and sits nicely on top of the RTCM (its even smaller then the RTCM). It, like the RTCM is designed to be low power and is a nice way to go for such an installation (good for portable use on batteries, etc). I got my Virgin Mobile card at WalMart, and if you buy one there they offer a special plan where for $20 per month you get 1GB of Internet data transfer (WAAAAY more then enough for radio usage). In addition, since it is a non-committed prepay plan, you can only pay for it on months when you need it. They also have an option, where for $10 you get 10 days of use and 250MB of data. I also chose it for testing, since that particular service from my particular location up here in the mountains in the middle of nowhere happens to get no more the "1 bar" of signal strength on their network, and then only in the "right" spots. In addition, their connectivity is double-NATed and hops across the country a couple of times. I wanted to have a "worst case scenario" for testing. It great! Even on a latent double-NATed cellular network, you can just plug the RTCM into it without any special provisioning and it JUST WORKS. Anywhere else outside of this immediate area, it has lots of "bars" and provides very good service. JIM WB6NIL ________________________________ Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:13:31 +0000 From: pete.elke@esquared.com To: ke6pcv@cal-net.org; telesistant@hotmail.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Hi Marshall, My Verizon mobile hot-spot only supplies internet over WiFi so I had to come up with a way of getting the Ethernet jack on the module connected up. The PicoStation is normally used as a small access point but their software allow it to be reversed as a WiFi bridge (or client). A typical use might be to connect a game console to WiFi at a location where wires are unavailable. You basically tell PicoStation the SSID you want to bridge to and like magic you have a wired Ethernet connection. A better way for a dedicated setup would be a USB based Cellular WAN fob connected to a CradlePoint unit. That would eliminate the WIFi part and be a direct connection from RTCM to the cellular network. Pete/WI6H From: Marshall Oldham [mailto:ke6pcv@cal-net.org] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:39 AM To: Peter Elke; 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list' Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Pete, Thanks for the information on how you have been using the RTCM. It seems that there are many different applications that one can use these RTCM's for. They are kind of universal in nature. Enjoyed the photo of the portable traveling node. Just had one question about the Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge. Can you give/explain a little more information on it? I am interested in how this works to provide the internet for your setup. Thanks Marshall ________________________________ From: Peter Elke [mailto:pete.elke@esquared.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:44 AM To: Marshall Oldham; Jim Duuuude; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Hi Marshal, We have been running two separate test projects with the module over the last few weeks. So far they seem very functional and cut down on node management if your goal is "perma-link" nodes. The first project is to take separate sites and merge them into one frequency (and one big node). At this point we have two of the eight cut over and we have worked out the basic mechanics. We use Micor receivers and MSX100 transmitters (that may change). The transmitters are frequency locked using MSF5000 UHSO units with the reference source being a GPS's 10Mhz output. The UHSO creates 14.4Mhz that is fed into the MCX units. In our testing it became very clear that all of the radios need to be identical. The voting is very cool, you can watch as is switches between the receive sites (very quickly, multiple times in a 1 second period) and the toggling goes unnoticed on the repeater's output. Our next phase is to create larger overlapping coverage area to see how it sounds mixed by adding a third site in the middle of the current two. At this point we don't have much simulcast data, the overlap area is quite small. The other project is an upgrade to my portable Beagleboard node that I use traveling. The old version was an Astro portable driven by a LOX board. The Beagle had a USB WiFi to a Verizon hot spot box. The upgrade swaps out the beagle for a RTCM and makes the connection from the road automatic. To create the internet for the module the old USB wifi was switched out for a Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge. When there is cell coverage it works and when there is no cell coverage it's dead, simple, easy, no-dialing. The first road test was today, all went well other than some LTE Verizon problems. Over all very cool stuff... Pete WI6H... From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Marshall Oldham Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:23 PM To: 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list' Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Jim, Okay so one server running Allstar node software at a central location (like my house) can support a dozen RTCM's being used as "Generic" conventional full duplex (repeaters) radio interfaces on far away hilltops even if I do not want to use the RTCM GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting or Simulcast Transmitter features? As long as I have some sort of internet connection at the remote sites back to my house? If I understand this correctly this would mean that: 1) No cost of computer at the radio site. 2) No worry about the node computer locking up at the remote radio site and having to reboot or reset it. 3) No cost other than the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) to setup an Allstar node at the remote radio site. (no computer, no URI, no Sound FOB) 4) If I use the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) I have the ability to setup a normal Allstar node at the present time and then later if I want to I can upgrade the hilltop for GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting and Simulcast Transmitter by simply adding a GPS receiver at the site and reconfiguring the software. If so, this seems like a pretty cool little piece of hardware! Marshall - ke6pcv ________________________________ From: Jim Duuuude [mailto:telesistant@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:52 AM To: Marshall Oldham; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailable Yeah, that's the general idea. The location of the Linux server running app_rpt/Asterisk can be more or less anywhere within Internet connectivity of all of the receiver and/or transmitter sites. Of course, "Internet" can mean either some sort of public Internet connection, or a privately-provided Internet connection (low-cost microwave link(s), etc). The only limitation is that an RTCM/Voter module *must* be located on the same LAN as the Linux server, to at least provide a GPS-based timing reference. A system could be set up with a server located in some sort of datacenter "on the ground", and all the radios could have an RTCM "on the hill" with them, and as long as there is Internet connectivity of some sort between each of them and the server, the system will work nicely. That is providing that there is an RTCM located at the server location also (whether or not that particular RTCM has radio hardware connected to it or not). One minimal Linux server can easily support 1 or 2 dozen RTCM's (on 1 or 2 allstar nodes), and a larger server could easily support MANY dozens of them on dozens of allstar nodes. Of course, you REALLY dont want to put too many of them on a single server, being a potential single point of failure. For pretty much any practical purpose, the reasonable limitation is the point of failure/redundancy issue, not technical limitations. I'm not sure if you were clear on this, so I thought I would mention that the RTCM is not just usable as a GPS-timing-based Multi-Receiver Voting system and/or a Simulcast Transmitter system. It can also be used as a "generic" radio interface for a conventional (non-GPS-based) either simplex or full duplex (repeater) radio. The advantage of doing this would be to not have the Linux host "on the hill" with the radio (as mentioned above). In addition, the RTCM allows for portable/mobile operation with a mobile/portable Internet connection in both the GPS-based and non-GPS-based environments. JIM WB6NIL ________________________________ From: ke6pcv@cal-net.org To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailable I have been looking at the Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) and it really looks like a GREAT product and addition to the already cool Allstar hardware. Among all the other cool features of the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) like Transmitter Simulcasting and Receiver Voting, if I understand the documentation correctly you can use this very small Radio Thin Client Module at a remote radio site to set up an Allstar repeater node if the site has internet connection without a COMPUTER at the site? Then you can point the node on the hilltop back to a server on the ground somewhere that is easy to get too? How many total sites can you use Radio Thin Client Modules on and point back to a single server on the ground? If this is the case, All I can say is WOW, how cool! 73 Marshall ________________________________ From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Mark Guibord Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:03 AM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailable Allstar RTCM Radio Thin-Client Module, an Open-Source VOIP-Based Voting Multi-Receiver and Simulcast Transmit System is now available for purchase. For more information visit http://micro-node.com/thin-m1.html Regards, Mark Guibord Micro-Node International _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
Yes, and "It must ONLY work while attached to a USB extension cable hanging from the top of my window blinds!!!!". The picture is of the actual installation here. That's literally what I had to do. JIM Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:44:32 +0000 From: pete.elke@esquared.com To: telesistant@hotmail.com; ke6pcv@cal-net.org; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Jim, You are the only guy in the cell store shopping for slow and weak coverage! “yes, but I need it crappy, lots of hops. Don’t you understand” (cell guy staring back) Pete From: Jim Duuuude [mailto:telesistant@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:27 AM To: Peter Elke; Marshall Oldham; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Pete In fact a Cradlepoint CTR-500 (TravelRouter) and a Virgin Mobile USB cellular 3G wireless module is exactly what I have here, and is what I used for testing of the RTCM in the mobile/cellular environment. The router is VERY cute and small, and sits nicely on top of the RTCM (its even smaller then the RTCM). It, like the RTCM is designed to be low power and is a nice way to go for such an installation (good for portable use on batteries, etc). I got my Virgin Mobile card at WalMart, and if you buy one there they offer a special plan where for $20 per month you get 1GB of Internet data transfer (WAAAAY more then enough for radio usage). In addition, since it is a non-committed prepay plan, you can only pay for it on months when you need it. They also have an option, where for $10 you get 10 days of use and 250MB of data. I also chose it for testing, since that particular service from my particular location up here in the mountains in the middle of nowhere happens to get no more the "1 bar" of signal strength on their network, and then only in the "right" spots. In addition, their connectivity is double-NATed and hops across the country a couple of times. I wanted to have a "worst case scenario" for testing. It great! Even on a latent double-NATed cellular network, you can just plug the RTCM into it without any special provisioning and it JUST WORKS. Anywhere else outside of this immediate area, it has lots of "bars" and provides very good service. JIM WB6NILSubject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:13:31 +0000 From: pete.elke@esquared.com To: ke6pcv@cal-net.org; telesistant@hotmail.com; app_rpt-users@ohnosec.orgHi Marshall, My Verizon mobile hot-spot only supplies internet over WiFi so I had to come up with a way of getting the Ethernet jack on the module connected up. The PicoStation is normally used as a small access point but their software allow it to be reversed as a WiFi bridge (or client). A typical use might be to connect a game console to WiFi at a location where wires are unavailable. You basically tell PicoStation the SSID you want to bridge to and like magic you have a wired Ethernet connection. A better way for a dedicated setup would be a USB based Cellular WAN fob connected to a CradlePoint unit. That would eliminate the WIFi part and be a direct connection from RTCM to the cellular network. Pete/WI6H From: Marshall Oldham [mailto:ke6pcv@cal-net.org] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:39 AM To: Peter Elke; 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list' Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Pete, Thanks for the information on how you have been using the RTCM. It seems that there are many different applications that one can use these RTCM's for. They are kind of universal in nature. Enjoyed the photo of the portable traveling node. Just had one question about the Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge.Can you give/explain a little more information on it? I am interested in how this works to provide the internet for your setup. Thanks Marshall From: Peter Elke [mailto:pete.elke@esquared.com] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:44 AM To: Marshall Oldham; Jim Duuuude; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailableHi Marshal, We have been running two separate test projects with the module over the last few weeks. So far they seem very functional and cut down on node management if your goal is “perma-link” nodes. The first project is to take separate sites and merge them into one frequency (and one big node). At this point we have two of the eight cut over and we have worked out the basic mechanics. We use Micor receivers and MSX100 transmitters (that may change). The transmitters are frequency locked using MSF5000 UHSO units with the reference source being a GPS’s 10Mhz output. The UHSO creates 14.4Mhz that is fed into the MCX units. In our testing it became very clear that all of the radios need to be identical. The voting is very cool, you can watch as is switches between the receive sites (very quickly, multiple times in a 1 second period) and the toggling goes unnoticed on the repeater’s output. Our next phase is to create larger overlapping coverage area to see how it sounds mixed by adding a third site in the middle of the current two. At this point we don’t have much simulcast data, the overlap area is quite small. The other project is an upgrade to my portable Beagleboard node that I use traveling. The old version was an Astro portable driven by a LOX board. The Beagle had a USB WiFi to a Verizon hot spot box. The upgrade swaps out the beagle for a RTCM and makes the connection from the road automatic. To create the internet for the module the old USB wifi was switched out for a Ubiquiti PicoStation set up as a bridge. When there is cell coverage it works and when there is no cell coverage it’s dead, simple, easy, no-dialing. The first road test was today, all went well other than some LTE Verizon problems. Over all very cool stuff… Pete WI6H… From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Marshall Oldham Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:23 PM To: 'Jim Duuuude'; 'app_rpt mailing list' Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) isnowavailable Jim, Okay so one server running Allstar node software at a central location (like my house) can support a dozen RTCM's being used as "Generic" conventional full duplex (repeaters) radio interfaces on far away hilltops even if I do not want to use the RTCM GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting or Simulcast Transmitter features?As long as I have some sort of internet connection at the remote sites back to my house? If I understand this correctly this would mean that: 1) No cost of computer at the radio site.2) No worry about the node computer locking up at the remote radio site and having to reboot or reset it.3) No cost other than the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) to setup an Allstar node at the remote radio site. (no computer, no URI, no Sound FOB) 4) If I use the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) I have the ability to setup a normal Allstar node at the present time and then later if I want to I can upgrade the hilltop for GPS-Timing Multi receiver voting and Simulcast Transmitter by simply adding a GPS receiver at the site and reconfiguring the software. If so, this seems like a pretty cool little piece of hardware! Marshall - ke6pcv From: Jim Duuuude [mailto:telesistant@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:52 AM To: Marshall Oldham; app_rpt mailing list Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailableYeah, that's the general idea. The location of the Linux server running app_rpt/Asterisk can be more or less anywhere within Internet connectivity of all of the receiver and/or transmitter sites. Of course, "Internet" can mean either some sort of public Internet connection, or a privately-provided Internet connection (low-cost microwave link(s), etc). The only limitation is that an RTCM/Voter module *must* be located on the same LAN as the Linux server, to at least provide a GPS-based timing reference. A system could be set up with a server located in some sort of datacenter "on the ground", and all the radios could have an RTCM "on the hill" with them, and as long as there is Internet connectivity of some sort between each of them and the server, the system will work nicely. That is providing that there is an RTCM located at the server location also (whether or not that particular RTCM has radio hardware connected to it or not). One minimal Linux server can easily support 1 or 2 dozen RTCM's (on 1 or 2 allstar nodes), and a larger server could easily support MANY dozens of them on dozens of allstar nodes. Of course, you REALLY dont want to put too many of them on a single server, being a potential single point of failure. For pretty much any practical purpose, the reasonable limitation is the point of failure/redundancy issue, not technical limitations. I'm not sure if you were clear on this, so I thought I would mention that the RTCM is not just usable as a GPS-timing-based Multi-Receiver Voting system and/or a Simulcast Transmitter system. It can also be used as a "generic" radio interface for a conventional (non-GPS-based) either simplex or full duplex (repeater) radio. The advantage of doing this would be to not have the Linux host "on the hill" with the radio (as mentioned above). In addition, the RTCM allows for portable/mobile operation with a mobile/portable Internet connection in both the GPS-based and non-GPS-based environments. JIM WB6NILFrom: ke6pcv@cal-net.org To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:54:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailableI have been looking at the Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) and it really looks like a GREAT product and addition to the already cool Allstar hardware. Among all the other cool features of the RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) like Transmitter Simulcasting and Receiver Voting, if I understand the documentation correctly you can use this very small Radio Thin Client Module at a remote radio site to set up an Allstar repeater node if the site has internet connection without a COMPUTER at the site? Then you can point the node on the hilltop back to a server on the ground somewhere that is easy to get too? How many total sites can you use Radio Thin Client Modules on and point back to a single server on the ground? If this is the case, All I can say is WOW, how cool! 73 Marshall From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Mark Guibord Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:03 AM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RTCM (Radio Thin Client Module) is nowavailableAllstar RTCM Radio Thin-Client Module, an Open-Source VOIP-Based Voting Multi-Receiver and Simulcast Transmit System is now available for purchase. For more information visit http://micro-node.com/thin-m1.html Regards,Mark GuibordMicro-Node International _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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