Anyone doing anything with this DMR sandbox? If I read it right it does not provide access to the DMR-MARC. Although maybe if your part of the sandbox that's a sub network? I see they specifically mention Allstar.
DMR-MARC is a batwing-supported network, so they have linited it to mototrbo repeaters as the infrastructure. Not that it is without issues, but since the IP site connect is proprietary and the network is informally supported by moto employees , i guess they can do with it what they want. You can gen a hybrid repeater (dmr/analog with the proper entitlement key...$$), but loose the ip site connect to get the analog signals out the back of the box, or spend the $$ to get a c-bridge to link stuff together cross-protocol. either way, with the differences in quality of the signals, bandwidth differences, etc, i can see why MARC has limited and sandboxed it. I bought a 440 XPR8400 a while ago and put it up on the MARC network. Lost interest and gave it to the fellow who gave me the space in his shelter to do with what he wanted. Neat technology, but mostly the same as asterisk networks, but it's reaching the 'endless september' atmosphere (google it for a fuller explanation) -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 10:54, Robert Newberry <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote:
Anyone doing anything with this DMR sandbox? If I read it right it does not provide access to the DMR-MARC. Although maybe if your part of the sandbox that's a sub network? I see they specifically mention Allstar.
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I think this is a perfect example of how good the Allstar network is, open source and so easy to use. Most of these digital (SMR, Dstar, etc.) Internet connections are so much more convoluted than what we have here. Until it gets sorted out, if it ever does, I am thankful for what we have!!! 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio From: bdboyle@bdboyle.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:35:57 -0500 To: N1XBM@amsat.org CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DMR sandbox DMR-MARC is a batwing-supported network, so they have linited it to mototrbo repeaters as the infrastructure. Not that it is without issues, but since the IP site connect is proprietary and the network is informally supported by moto employees , i guess they can do with it what they want. You can gen a hybrid repeater (dmr/analog with the proper entitlement key...$$), but loose the ip site connect to get the analog signals out the back of the box, or spend the $$ to get a c-bridge to link stuff together cross-protocol. either way, with the differences in quality of the signals, bandwidth differences, etc, i can see why MARC has limited and sandboxed it. I bought a 440 XPR8400 a while ago and put it up on the MARC network. Lost interest and gave it to the fellow who gave me the space in his shelter to do with what he wanted. Neat technology, but mostly the same as asterisk networks, but it's reaching the 'endless september' atmosphere (google it for a fuller explanation) --BryanSent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message. On Jan 23, 2015, at 10:54, Robert Newberry <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote: Anyone doing anything with this DMR sandbox? If I read it right it does not provide access to the DMR-MARC. Although maybe if your part of the sandbox that's a sub network? I see they specifically mention Allstar. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
Why we have built our own DMR and app_rpt networks… we have patches into both larger networks but run our own 19 site DMR system and the same if not more analog sites… can do what ever we want when we own the gear and network.. Need an analog patch to a talk group few clicks or DTMF’s from analog and it’s done… need to segment the network for an event.. done… Wanted to say thank you doug for all the work on the BBB image… I tried buying as many Lox cards I as could find when they stopped making them… Having the option to use the BBB with URIx’s for our single node none voted sites has been a life saver... -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 fred@moses.bz
On Jan 23, 2015, at 16:48, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
I think this is a perfect example of how good the Allstar network is, open source and so easy to use. Most of these digital (SMR, Dstar, etc.) Internet connections are so much more convoluted than what we have here. Until it gets sorted out, if it ever does, I am thankful for what we have!!!
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio <http://www.crompton.com/hamradio>
From: bdboyle@bdboyle.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:35:57 -0500 To: N1XBM@amsat.org CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DMR sandbox
DMR-MARC is a batwing-supported network, so they have linited it to mototrbo repeaters as the infrastructure.
Not that it is without issues, but since the IP site connect is proprietary and the network is informally supported by moto employees , i guess they can do with it what they want.
You can gen a hybrid repeater (dmr/analog with the proper entitlement key...$$), but loose the ip site connect to get the analog signals out the back of the box, or spend the $$ to get a c-bridge to link stuff together cross-protocol.
either way, with the differences in quality of the signals, bandwidth differences, etc, i can see why MARC has limited and sandboxed it.
I bought a 440 XPR8400 a while ago and put it up on the MARC network. Lost interest and gave it to the fellow who gave me the space in his shelter to do with what he wanted. Neat technology, but mostly the same as asterisk networks, but it's reaching the 'endless september' atmosphere (google it for a fuller explanation)
-- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 10:54, Robert Newberry <N1XBM@amsat.org <mailto:N1XBM@amsat.org>> wrote:
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actually, getting on dmr-marc is incredibly simple to install. register the node, get the upstream address and encryption key, plug in, hook up power, net, duplexer, follow the screen shots as to which tab and box to fill in, save to repeater, and it's up. if you have all the info, takes a half hour. it's meant for commercial. not lots to diddle with. and it just works, so even a clueless individual can use it. as 'flexible' as allstar? no. but considering the market it came from, flexibility breeds unreliability. dmr was meant to work, not be a development platform. two different realms of operation. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 16:48, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
I think this is a perfect example of how good the Allstar network is, open source and so easy to use. Most of these digital (SMR, Dstar, etc.) Internet connections are so much more convoluted than what we have here. Until it gets sorted out, if it ever does, I am thankful for what we have!!!
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
From: bdboyle@bdboyle.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:35:57 -0500 To: N1XBM@amsat.org CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DMR sandbox
DMR-MARC is a batwing-supported network, so they have linited it to mototrbo repeaters as the infrastructure.
Not that it is without issues, but since the IP site connect is proprietary and the network is informally supported by moto employees , i guess they can do with it what they want.
You can gen a hybrid repeater (dmr/analog with the proper entitlement key...$$), but loose the ip site connect to get the analog signals out the back of the box, or spend the $$ to get a c-bridge to link stuff together cross-protocol.
either way, with the differences in quality of the signals, bandwidth differences, etc, i can see why MARC has limited and sandboxed it.
I bought a 440 XPR8400 a while ago and put it up on the MARC network. Lost interest and gave it to the fellow who gave me the space in his shelter to do with what he wanted. Neat technology, but mostly the same as asterisk networks, but it's reaching the 'endless september' atmosphere (google it for a fuller explanation)
-- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 10:54, Robert Newberry <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote:
Anyone doing anything with this DMR sandbox? If I read it right it does not provide access to the DMR-MARC. Although maybe if your part of the sandbox that's a sub network? I see they specifically mention Allstar.
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Hi Everyone, The "problem" with DMR and other digital repeaters (D-star, etc.) is that getting these repeaters running optimally may *not* just be a "install it and it works" situation! All the standard issues found with analog repeaters (e.g.: receiver desense, intermod, antenna pattern problems) are found with digital systems, too. The skillset required to debug the digital systems and get them running optimally is complex--more complex than for analog systems, in my experience--you can tell a LOT about a system problem from analog noises heard coming through the repeater. You don't have this luxury with digital-only systems! Oddball digital problems can be very challenging to resolve! Just my $0.02. 73, David KB4FXC On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
actually, getting on dmr-marc is incredibly simple to install. register the node, get the upstream address and encryption key, plug in, hook up power, net, duplexer, follow the screen shots as to which tab and box to fill in, save to repeater, and it's up. if you have all the info, takes a half hour.
it's meant for commercial. not lots to diddle with. and it just works, so even a clueless individual can use it.
as 'flexible' as allstar? no. but considering the market it came from, flexibility breeds unreliability. dmr was meant to work, not be a development platform.
two different realms of operation. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 16:48, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
I think this is a perfect example of how good the Allstar network is, open source and so easy to use. Most of these digital (SMR, Dstar, etc.) Internet connections are so much more convoluted than what we have here. Until it gets sorted out, if it ever does, I am thankful for what we have!!!
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
From: bdboyle@bdboyle.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:35:57 -0500 To: N1XBM@amsat.org CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DMR sandbox
DMR-MARC is a batwing-supported network, so they have linited it to mototrbo repeaters as the infrastructure.
Not that it is without issues, but since the IP site connect is proprietary and the network is informally supported by moto employees , i guess they can do with it what they want.
You can gen a hybrid repeater (dmr/analog with the proper entitlement key...$$), but loose the ip site connect to get the analog signals out the back of the box, or spend the $$ to get a c-bridge to link stuff together cross-protocol.
either way, with the differences in quality of the signals, bandwidth differences, etc, i can see why MARC has limited and sandboxed it.
I bought a 440 XPR8400 a while ago and put it up on the MARC network. Lost interest and gave it to the fellow who gave me the space in his shelter to do with what he wanted. Neat technology, but mostly the same as asterisk networks, but it's reaching the 'endless september' atmosphere (google it for a fuller explanation)
-- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 10:54, Robert Newberry <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote:
Anyone doing anything with this DMR sandbox? If I read it right it does not provide access to the DMR-MARC. Although maybe if your part of the sandbox that's a sub network? I see they specifically mention Allstar.
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Just to be clear my statement about digital repeaters was not about the RF side, as Dave has pointed out that is another issue. I was talking about the politics and operational considerations on the Internet side not the technical issues of doing it. Who gets connected to who and who doesn't. What service allows connections and what doesn't. The open atmosphere of Allstar makes this in most situations an individual decision rather than the decision of some hierarchy. I liken it in some ways to IRLP vs. Allstar. One of the reasons I left IRLP was because you either had a choice of connecting to one person or to a reflector run by an administrator who dictated how things were conducted. Individuals had little choice. With Allstar you have that choice. Digital repeaters connected by their native Internet scheme whether it be "wires" or whatever format they use gets back to an administered system and again the individual would have little choice. Even if one was to buy a personal repeater and connect it to the Internet at considerable expense they would not be able to just connect wherever they wanted within the network. By the way you can connect a RF digital repeater to Allstar and maybe have the best of both worlds! 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:53:11 -0500 From: kb4fxc@inttek.net To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DMR sandbox
Hi Everyone,
The "problem" with DMR and other digital repeaters (D-star, etc.) is that getting these repeaters running optimally may *not* just be a "install it and it works" situation!
All the standard issues found with analog repeaters (e.g.: receiver desense, intermod, antenna pattern problems) are found with digital systems, too.
The skillset required to debug the digital systems and get them running optimally is complex--more complex than for analog systems, in my experience--you can tell a LOT about a system problem from analog noises heard coming through the repeater. You don't have this luxury with digital-only systems! Oddball digital problems can be very challenging to resolve!
Just my $0.02.
73, David KB4FXC
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
actually, getting on dmr-marc is incredibly simple to install. register the node, get the upstream address and encryption key, plug in, hook up power, net, duplexer, follow the screen shots as to which tab and box to fill in, save to repeater, and it's up. if you have all the info, takes a half hour.
it's meant for commercial. not lots to diddle with. and it just works, so even a clueless individual can use it.
as 'flexible' as allstar? no. but considering the market it came from, flexibility breeds unreliability. dmr was meant to work, not be a development platform.
two different realms of operation. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 16:48, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
I think this is a perfect example of how good the Allstar network is, open source and so easy to use. Most of these digital (SMR, Dstar, etc.) Internet connections are so much more convoluted than what we have here. Until it gets sorted out, if it ever does, I am thankful for what we have!!!
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
From: bdboyle@bdboyle.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:35:57 -0500 To: N1XBM@amsat.org CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DMR sandbox
DMR-MARC is a batwing-supported network, so they have linited it to mototrbo repeaters as the infrastructure.
Not that it is without issues, but since the IP site connect is proprietary and the network is informally supported by moto employees , i guess they can do with it what they want.
You can gen a hybrid repeater (dmr/analog with the proper entitlement key...$$), but loose the ip site connect to get the analog signals out the back of the box, or spend the $$ to get a c-bridge to link stuff together cross-protocol.
either way, with the differences in quality of the signals, bandwidth differences, etc, i can see why MARC has limited and sandboxed it.
I bought a 440 XPR8400 a while ago and put it up on the MARC network. Lost interest and gave it to the fellow who gave me the space in his shelter to do with what he wanted. Neat technology, but mostly the same as asterisk networks, but it's reaching the 'endless september' atmosphere (google it for a fuller explanation)
-- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 10:54, Robert Newberry <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote:
Anyone doing anything with this DMR sandbox? If I read it right it does not provide access to the DMR-MARC. Although maybe if your part of the sandbox that's a sub network? I see they specifically mention Allstar.
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I second that. I couldn't have said it better myself! Corey
On Jan 23, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Doug Crompton <doug@crompton.com> wrote:
I think this is a perfect example of how good the Allstar network is, open source and so easy to use. Most of these digital (SMR, Dstar, etc.) Internet connections are so much more convoluted than what we have here. Until it gets sorted out, if it ever does, I am thankful for what we have!!!
73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio
From: bdboyle@bdboyle.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:35:57 -0500 To: N1XBM@amsat.org CC: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] DMR sandbox
DMR-MARC is a batwing-supported network, so they have linited it to mototrbo repeaters as the infrastructure.
Not that it is without issues, but since the IP site connect is proprietary and the network is informally supported by moto employees , i guess they can do with it what they want.
You can gen a hybrid repeater (dmr/analog with the proper entitlement key...$$), but loose the ip site connect to get the analog signals out the back of the box, or spend the $$ to get a c-bridge to link stuff together cross-protocol.
either way, with the differences in quality of the signals, bandwidth differences, etc, i can see why MARC has limited and sandboxed it.
I bought a 440 XPR8400 a while ago and put it up on the MARC network. Lost interest and gave it to the fellow who gave me the space in his shelter to do with what he wanted. Neat technology, but mostly the same as asterisk networks, but it's reaching the 'endless september' atmosphere (google it for a fuller explanation)
-- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 5...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Jan 23, 2015, at 10:54, Robert Newberry <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote:
Anyone doing anything with this DMR sandbox? If I read it right it does not provide access to the DMR-MARC. Although maybe if your part of the sandbox that's a sub network? I see they specifically mention Allstar.
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