Re: [App_rpt-users] [Bulk] Issue with Hangup after first keying
Thank you for all the suggestions thus far. I'm using an ICOM IC-A110 VHF radio. I was able to find some schematics/block diagrams in the service manual here: http://elektrotanya.com/icom_ic-a110,_a110e_service_manual.pdf/download.html This is my first time trying to dig through a radio and find a COR. I'm not sure either where to get a discriminator audio signal either. Josh -----Original Message----- From: Bryan D. Boyle [mailto:bdboyle@bdboyle.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:29 PM To: Joshua Hintze Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] [Bulk] Issue with Hangup after first keying On 7/3/2013 4:48 PM, Joshua Hintze wrote:
Thanks Ben for the quick feedback. I think I might have figured it out. It turns out my COR signal might not necessarily be the best COR signal. It looks like the signal goes high on BOTH RX and TX. This is probably causing asterisk to think its receiving when its sending getting into a nice infinite loop.
Then you don't have a true COR signal. What radio (make/model) are you using? Can you get discriminator audio?? If so, you can use dsp to derive COR; otherwise, you need to look elsewhere. Sounds like you're too far down the circuit.
I'm going to try an AND gate with the PTT so that PTT has to be high (i.e. NOT TX) and speaker mute (my COR) has to be high for a true COR output on RX.
Sounds complicated; I'm thinking some quality time with the schematic will provide an answer that is more agreeable and doesn't require building logic circuits. In all the machines I've built the most complex interface has been a pullup resistor on the DB25 connector. And that's for everything from a micor to wouxun HTs to maxtracs and gtx's and systel, and ALinco radio-based repeaters. And throw in a couple GE rigs (Mastr-IIs) along the way. Heck, I even interfaced a TR-33C as a receiver in a pinch.
In the meantime I tried carrierfrom=vox but it didn't really seem to work. Anybody get this working properly?
As our Maximum Leader Jim says: "Friends don't let friends use VOX". Not a way to do it; and is an artifact of development. BB WB0YLE Allstar 27294, 27295, 27673, 27710, etc.
Try the top of either the volume or squelch controls. Joshua Hintze <joshh@imsar.com> wrote:
Thank you for all the suggestions thus far.
I'm using an ICOM IC-A110 VHF radio. I was able to find some schematics/block diagrams in the service manual here:
http://elektrotanya.com/icom_ic-a110,_a110e_service_manual.pdf/download.html
This is my first time trying to dig through a radio and find a COR. I'm not sure either where to get a discriminator audio signal either.
Josh
-----Original Message----- From: Bryan D. Boyle [mailto:bdboyle@bdboyle.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:29 PM To: Joshua Hintze Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] [Bulk] Issue with Hangup after first keying
On 7/3/2013 4:48 PM, Joshua Hintze wrote:
Thanks Ben for the quick feedback. I think I might have figured it out. It turns out my COR signal might not necessarily be the best COR signal. It looks like the signal goes high on BOTH RX and TX. This is probably causing asterisk to think its receiving when its sending getting into a nice infinite loop.
Then you don't have a true COR signal. What radio (make/model) are you using? Can you get discriminator audio?? If so, you can use dsp to derive COR; otherwise, you need to look elsewhere. Sounds like you're too far down the circuit.
I'm going to try an AND gate with the PTT so that PTT has to be high (i.e. NOT TX) and speaker mute (my COR) has to be high for a true COR output on RX.
Sounds complicated; I'm thinking some quality time with the schematic will provide an answer that is more agreeable and doesn't require building logic circuits. In all the machines I've built the most complex interface has been a pullup resistor on the DB25 connector. And that's for everything from a micor to wouxun HTs to maxtracs and gtx's and systel, and ALinco radio-based repeaters. And throw in a couple GE rigs (Mastr-IIs) along the way. Heck, I even interfaced a TR-33C as a receiver in a pinch.
In the meantime I tried carrierfrom=vox but it didn't really seem to work. Anybody get this working properly?
As our Maximum Leader Jim says: "Friends don't let friends use VOX". Not a way to do it; and is an artifact of development.
BB WB0YLE Allstar 27294, 27295, 27673, 27710, etc.
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Ahh... now I understand... aircraft AM? Looking at the block diagram, does the output of IC11, the squelch switch do what you want for COR? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
I did not see that one. Thanks for pointing it out. I will test it out tomorrow when I get back into work. Josh From: app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Robert a. Poff Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:02 PM To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] [Bulk] Issue with Hangup after first keying Ahh... now I understand... aircraft AM? Looking at the block diagram, does the output of IC11, the squelch switch do what you want for COR? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
The Icom IC-A110 is an AM aircraft radio. Being AM there is no discriminator audio, and DSP derived COR won't work due to the nature of the AM signal. You're going to have to dig around in the squelch circuit to find a point that toggles. Most AM type squelch are usually derived from the AGC. Don't what they're doing in the Icom. Ed, W8VT Nodes 27849 29496 Beckley WV On 07/03/2013 07:37 PM, Joshua Hintze wrote:
Thank you for all the suggestions thus far.
I'm using an ICOM IC-A110 VHF radio. I was able to find some schematics/block diagrams in the service manual here:
http://elektrotanya.com/icom_ic-a110,_a110e_service_manual.pdf/download.html
This is my first time trying to dig through a radio and find a COR. I'm not sure either where to get a discriminator audio signal either.
Josh
-----Original Message----- From: Bryan D. Boyle [mailto:bdboyle@bdboyle.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:29 PM To: Joshua Hintze Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] [Bulk] Issue with Hangup after first keying
On 7/3/2013 4:48 PM, Joshua Hintze wrote:
Thanks Ben for the quick feedback. I think I might have figured it out. It turns out my COR signal might not necessarily be the best COR signal. It looks like the signal goes high on BOTH RX and TX. This is probably causing asterisk to think its receiving when its sending getting into a nice infinite loop. Then you don't have a true COR signal. What radio (make/model) are you using? Can you get discriminator audio?? If so, you can use dsp to derive COR; otherwise, you need to look elsewhere. Sounds like you're too far down the circuit.
I'm going to try an AND gate with the PTT so that PTT has to be high (i.e. NOT TX) and speaker mute (my COR) has to be high for a true COR output on RX. Sounds complicated; I'm thinking some quality time with the schematic will provide an answer that is more agreeable and doesn't require building logic circuits. In all the machines I've built the most complex interface has been a pullup resistor on the DB25 connector. And that's for everything from a micor to wouxun HTs to maxtracs and gtx's and systel, and ALinco radio-based repeaters. And throw in a couple GE rigs (Mastr-IIs) along the way. Heck, I even interfaced a TR-33C as a receiver in a pinch.
In the meantime I tried carrierfrom=vox but it didn't really seem to work. Anybody get this working properly? As our Maximum Leader Jim says: "Friends don't let friends use VOX". Not a way to do it; and is an artifact of development.
BB WB0YLE Allstar 27294, 27295, 27673, 27710, etc.
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On 7/3/2013 7:37 PM, Joshua Hintze wrote:
Thank you for all the suggestions thus far.
I'm using an ICOM IC-A110 VHF radio. I was able to find some schematics/block diagrams in the service manual here:
http://elektrotanya.com/icom_ic-a110,_a110e_service_manual.pdf/download.html
This is my first time trying to dig through a radio and find a COR. I'm not sure either where to get a discriminator audio signal either.
Detecting squelch break in AM is a lot different that breaking squelch in FM... iirc, you have to depend on the AGC circuit to do what it's supposed to do in order to detect a signal level delta greater than the background hash, which is a variable. FM looks for the detector to open up when the frequency swing happens...a bit more binary than AM transmissions, which means there's a constant noise level vice AM (just listen on the HF bands to see the difference in the noise levels from minute to minute...). Kind of hard to detect amplitude changes as being a legitimate carrier vice noise, since they're both the same general modulation envelope, whereas in FM, the intelligence is carried in a different mode than the background noise. Don't know whether I'm explaining it clearly enough, but it's in that general neighborhood or some such. Just what are you trying to do? BB
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